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Title: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: nikhil24 on May 16, 2019, 08:45:47 AM
There are some rumors circulating online regarding Mitro and a transfer to Crystal Palace. Looking to be around the 30 million mark.
We better have some replacements in sight...
Title: Re: Mitro to palace?
Post by: Mince n Tatties on May 16, 2019, 08:46:56 AM
Bayer Leverkusen with 20+mill bid apparently coming up.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JimOG on May 16, 2019, 08:57:44 AM
What did we pay circa £20 mill - he is under contract until June 2023 - with him in our Championship squad we will have probably the best, most lethal centre forward in the division - and they don't grow on trees. No -it'll have to be well north of £30 million for a side to acquire him
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Buffalo76 on May 16, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If he ends up leaving I'd rather he went abroad. Don't wanna see him wearing the shirt of another English team.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: filham on May 16, 2019, 09:51:21 AM
Even if we get £30m plus for Mitrovic you can be sure that any replacement is going to be no where near as good as him.

We must do all we possibly can to keep Mitrovic, come on Scotty this is your first big challenge.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: hovewhite on May 16, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
He's under contract that should be it.He stays.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: FulhamStu on May 16, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
If we are serious about going straight back up, keeping Mitro is very important.   We will never get as good to replace him and goalscoring strikers like him are the most valuable of all footballers.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: junior white on May 16, 2019, 10:31:16 AM
i agree if we are serious we should, I also agree if he is under contract we should keep him. However, do we want an unhappy player (thats if he is) that wants to leave? could do a Payet on us and that would or could be unsettling
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
In the Championship, the difference between Mitro and Fonte is goal every 197 minutes and the difference between Norwich and Brentford is a goal every 230 minutes. If we keep Mitro, he stays fit and he fires, then we will go up.

If Mitrovoic scores for us every 137 minutes like before, that is a record 30 goals in a season. A goal difference above 31 goals has guaranteed promotion for the last five seasons. I wouldn't Mitro unless we can get near £40m, until FFC are offerred a price we can buy T.Abraham and D.Gayle i'd keep him.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: toshes mate on May 16, 2019, 11:00:52 AM
If we had a better recruitment record with the Khans in charge, especially (and most arguably) in the striker department, then trading is a lot less a matter of risk and a lot more a matter of taste and style.  I'd like to think Parker has the dressing room and the attention of all those he has determined he needs for next season, and nobody is going anywhere unless something really truly better is lined up.  If we start to lose players (with the exception of the loans) without having already recruited replacements then I will worry that the Club's ailments are worse than we have been led to believe. 
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: ScalleysDad on May 16, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
If Mitro is to be 'on fire' next season then he has to see more of the ball and perhaps work on a turn of pace in the post season. The first will be down to Parker, now that's a project in itself, and the second is down to Mitro himself. Just going by the body language as the season dragged along I am not sure he has the enthusiasm for the white shirt anymore.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: The Cottager on May 16, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Buffalo76 on May 16, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If he ends up leaving I'd rather he went abroad. Don't wanna see him wearing the shirt of another English team.

Do yourself a favour, don't google "Mitrovic Newcastle"...
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Bill2 on May 16, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
A lot will depend on the sort of player Scotty wants up front. Mitro is not like the great forwards like Salah and co who quickly up and down the pitch. He needs to be in the box with good service around due to his lack of real pace something which cannot be taught. What he does well isbully the back four and he is a real handfull.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: aaronmcguigan on May 16, 2019, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
In the Championship, the difference between Mitro and Fonte is goal every 197 minutes and the difference between Norwich and Brentford is a goal every 230 minutes. If we keep Mitro, he stays fit and he fires, then we will go up.

If Mitrovoic scores for us every 137 minutes like before, that is a record 30 goals in a season. A goal difference above 31 goals has guaranteed promotion for the last five seasons. I wouldn't Mitro unless we can get near £40m, until FFC are offerred a price we can buy T.Abraham and D.Gayle i'd keep him.

Stats are all well and good but when's the last time Mitro scored from open play? January? Since then he's scored 0.0 per game.

Also , our top scorers other than Mitrovic, actually ANYONE who has scored more than 1 goal  (Schurrle, Babel,Sessegnon, Kamara and Chambers) are all going or gone.
The issue isn't having one striker to score lots of goals. The issue is appropriately feeding that striker with chances, supporting that striker and taking the burden off him by having goalscorrers throughout the side. We need players from midfield who can score 10-15 and 2 strikers to hit 15-20 minimum.
It lessens the burden and creates more uncertainty in the minds of defenders instead of everyone pinpointing
Mitro.

I would take a guess that if Mitro and Cairney were marked and closed down well against a Luton or Barnsley, we would struggle to create anything
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 11:25:41 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on May 16, 2019, 11:21:50 AM
A lot will depend on the sort of player Scotty wants up front. Mitro is not like the great forwards like Salah and co who quickly up and down the pitch. He needs to be in the box with good service around due to his lack of real pace something which cannot be taught. What he does well isbully the back four and he is a real handfull.

Parker may have to learn to adapt his tactics to the players he has. Mitrovoic is an incredible forward against Low Block teams and there are a lot of them in the lower half of the Championship. We get 24 games next season against lower half Championship teams that we will be better than, but they will make sure they setup so they are very very hard to beat. Mitrovoic is good at breaking down such teams, if we can get 18-20 victories against lower table teams automatic promotion will be a lot easier.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: SuffolkWhite on May 16, 2019, 11:30:50 AM
Player power regardless of term of contract will dictate, if he wants to play for us he will do and if he does not a move will be made.  No point keeping an unhappy player in the squad as it is disruptive.

Hope he stays though.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Nero on May 16, 2019, 11:38:38 AM
If Zaha leaves Palace and hes goes there he'll be in another relegation fight next season
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: grandad on May 16, 2019, 12:04:03 PM
We don´t have to sell him. He is on a long contract. If there is a buy out clause that is a different matter. I want him to stay. He loves the Club, Manager & Fans.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: davew on May 16, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
In the Championship, the difference between Mitro and Fonte is goal every 197 minutes and the difference between Norwich and Brentford is a goal every 230 minutes. If we keep Mitro, he stays fit and he fires, then we will go up.

If Mitrovoic scores for us every 137 minutes like before, that is a record 30 goals in a season. A goal difference above 31 goals has guaranteed promotion for the last five seasons. I wouldn't Mitro unless we can get near £40m, until FFC are offerred a price we can buy T.Abraham and D.Gayle i'd keep him.
Very optimistic saying that if he stays we will go up, you haven't taken into account that we have no defence? They will give away more silly goals than Mitro & Co can score!
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: aaronmcguigan on May 16, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: Buffalo76 on May 16, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If he ends up leaving I'd rather he went abroad. Don't wanna see him wearing the shirt of another English team.

Mitrovic IS abroad
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on May 16, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
Mitro had Sess on fire in the CS, not only supplying him, but supporting him
and scoring a hat full of goals.
It won't happen but Oh for another season of those 2 on top of their game
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
I want him to stay but what if he does and sulks. Then we've got a dud and no replacement, or money for one.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Unpopular opinion. I'd prefer to keep Mitro. However if he wants out then I'd happily swap him for Benteke.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Unpopular opinion. I'd prefer to keep Mitro. However if he wants out then I'd happily swap him for Benteke.

Benteke is truly awful. Even so, he wouldn't move to a championship club
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Stoneleigh Loyalist on May 16, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
According to the report on his possible move to Bayern he is quoted as having said 'My Plan is not finished. I want to stay and lead my team back to the Premiership'
Where and when was that said as it is the first time I have heard it?
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on May 16, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
According to the report on his possible move to Bayern he is quoted as having said 'My Plan is not finished. I want to stay and lead my team back to the Premiership'
Where and when was that said as it is the first time I have heard it?

Link the report
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on May 16, 2019, 01:07:58 PM
According to the report on his possible move to Bayern he is quoted as having said 'My Plan is not finished. I want to stay and lead my team back to the Premiership'
Where and when was that said as it is the first time I have heard it?

Ok so that is exactly what Cairney said. The article which I'm assuming isn't going to be by English speakers, stole the Cairney quote thinking it was Mitro.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Kentish Gent on May 16, 2019, 01:36:29 PM
I really don't want to p*** on anyone's chips, but the length of Mitro's contract is irrelevant. If he wants to stay in the Prem, he will make that quite clear to the management, and will have no incentive to go out and play for the team. If he doesn't, and can be re-motivated, then he will be lethal in the Championshiip.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Robbie on May 16, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
Mitro has been pretty dreadful for the past six/eight months. Since Slav left ...
His body language is Want-Away.
So, £££££ is what it is about.

Like all players, they have their time at a club .. and then move on.

For FFC and for Mitro we should part now ..
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Robbie on May 16, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
Mitro has been pretty dreadful for the past six/eight months. Since Slav left ...
His body language is Want-Away.
So, £££££ is what it is about.

Like all players, they have their time at a club .. and then move on.

For FFC and for Mitro we should part now ..

Yeah I think you're right. In an ideal world he would stay and be motivated for next season. He hasn't been since Jan so that isn't happening in the Championship.  We should sell ans hopefully get 30 mill. Will we get a replacement as good? Probably not but if we force him to stay it will do more harm then good.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: St Eve on May 16, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on May 16, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
He's under contract that should be it.He stays.
Unfortunately that means nothing these days
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Sting of the North on May 16, 2019, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: davew on May 16, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Very optimistic saying that if he stays we will go up, you haven't taken into account that we have no defence? They will give away more silly goals than Mitro & Co can score!

Fulham had I believe the 6th best defensive record in the promotion season. Are you suggesting that Bryan, Mawson and Christie are so much worse than Targett, Kalas and Fredericks defensively so that we will inevitably be much worse defensively next season? If so, what made you end up at that conclusion?

I am not saying that Mitro will score 30 goals, or that it will be enough for promotion, but don't understand why some on here think that our defence will be among the worst in the Championship.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: love4ffc on May 16, 2019, 02:39:55 PM
The other thing that must be considered is if a Premier League team comes a calling, and Mitro wants to leave but we insist he stays....Then there is that chance that Mitro becomes unhappy.  No good to have an unhappy player in the squad that doesn't want to play for the club. 

Note - I am not saying that is the current case.  Just saying that it could become an issue. 
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Statto on May 16, 2019, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 16, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
If we are serious about going straight back up, keeping Mitro is very important.   We will never get as good to replace him and goalscoring strikers like him are the most valuable of all footballers.
+100
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 16, 2019, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 16, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
If we are serious about going straight back up, keeping Mitro is very important.   We will never get as good to replace him and goalscoring strikers like him are the most valuable of all footballers.
+100

It's not that simple though. We can force him to stay but if he sulks and doesnt put effort in, it's pointless
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 16, 2019, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 16, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
If we are serious about going straight back up, keeping Mitro is very important.   We will never get as good to replace him and goalscoring strikers like him are the most valuable of all footballers.
+100

You say that.. but we did make it to the playoffs once before with Chris Martin as a centre forward.

:022:
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Unpopular opinion. I'd prefer to keep Mitro. However if he wants out then I'd happily swap him for Benteke.

Benteke is truly awful. Even so, he wouldn't move to a championship club

He's only truly awful if you have a short memory.

He's down on his luck in a big way, but he still works hard up front. Reminds me a little of Bobby Zamora before he came to us. I think we have a chance to revive him.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Pieter A’dam on May 16, 2019, 07:18:52 PM
https://youtu.be/Bj24js9eXrA
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Pieter A’dam on May 16, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
They copied our song in Amsterdam .... big crowd still
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: YankeeJim on May 16, 2019, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on May 16, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: Buffalo76 on May 16, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If he ends up leaving I'd rather he went abroad. Don't wanna see him wearing the shirt of another English team.

Mitrovic IS abroad

A broad? Aside from the obvious chauvinism of that statement, I had no idea. Still the world is changing and  Serbia has to be a favorite in the World Cup THIS year.  :dft001:
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Unpopular opinion. I'd prefer to keep Mitro. However if he wants out then I'd happily swap him for Benteke.

Benteke is truly awful. Even so, he wouldn't move to a championship club

He's only truly awful if you have a short memory.

He's down on his luck in a big way, but he still works hard up front. Reminds me a little of Bobby Zamora before he came to us. I think we have a chance to revive him.

Short memory? Sounds like you dont have a memory.  He's been terrible for a number of years.  Just because a player had one or two decent seasons years ago doesnt make them a good player.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: YankeeJim on May 16, 2019, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2019, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: davew on May 16, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Very optimistic saying that if he stays we will go up, you haven't taken into account that we have no defence? They will give away more silly goals than Mitro & Co can score!

Fulham had I believe the 6th best defensive record in the promotion season. Are you suggesting that Bryan, Mawson and Christie are so much worse than Targett, Kalas and Fredericks defensively so that we will inevitably be much worse defensively next season? If so, what made you end up at that conclusion?

I am not saying that Mitro will score 30 goals, or that it will be enough for promotion, but don't understand why some on here think that our defence will be among the worst in the Championship.


There was an old American football coach who used to say, "If they can't score, they can't beat ya". Our promotion season was one of ball control. The opponent can't score if you have the ball. Betts did a solid job but the back line was mediocre at best. With less attack, the back line would have been exposed.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on May 16, 2019, 07:29:51 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2019, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: davew on May 16, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Very optimistic saying that if he stays we will go up, you haven't taken into account that we have no defence? They will give away more silly goals than Mitro & Co can score!

Fulham had I believe the 6th best defensive record in the promotion season. Are you suggesting that Bryan, Mawson and Christie are so much worse than Targett, Kalas and Fredericks defensively so that we will inevitably be much worse defensively next season? If so, what made you end up at that conclusion?

I am not saying that Mitro will score 30 goals, or that it will be enough for promotion, but don't understand why some on here think that our defence will be among the worst in the Championship.


There was an old American football coach who used to say, "If they can't score, they can't beat ya". Our promotion season was one of ball control. The opponent can't score if you have the ball. Betts did a solid job but the back line was mediocre at best. With less attack, the back line would have been exposed.

Spot on
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Sting of the North on May 16, 2019, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on May 16, 2019, 07:29:51 PM

There was an old American football coach who used to say, "If they can't score, they can't beat ya". Our promotion season was one of ball control. The opponent can't score if you have the ball. Betts did a solid job but the back line was mediocre at best. With less attack, the back line would have been exposed.

Spot on

I think that saying is not even close to being spot on, at least not if implying that possession means the opponent can't score. (which your post seemed to indicate). A high possession tactic does indeed take pressure of your defenders more often than for example a kick and run tactic usually does. However, when losing the ball, defenders are often faced with much more difficult situation, because the team tends to be caught high up field. This gives the opponent plenty of space to attack, which makes it so much harder to defend, and often with less support from your more attack minded players (often including at least one fullback). Our last game this season was a good example of when possession didn't translate to making it easier for the defenders (unfortunately, the defenders didn't rise to the challenge either).

Also, in order to play a possession game you need defenders able to contribute. Keeping the ball is, as you state, one way of defending. Our defenders were really good at that, and that also counts.

It is in my opinion much, much easier to play as a defender in a Cardiff type system, without meaning to take credit from their defenders.

So, I disagree that our defenders were "mediocre at best". I think they performed their very difficult job admirably, and I believe that they deserve credit for that. I actually think that Betts was probably the weaker link. In any case, I am not at all worried if we go into the season with our current defenders, they are better than the defenders of most other teams in the division. Granted, they are more suited to a possession system than a Cardiff system, but I really hope we will try the former rather than the later anyway.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2019, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on May 16, 2019, 07:29:51 PM

There was an old American football coach who used to say, "If they can't score, they can't beat ya". Our promotion season was one of ball control. The opponent can't score if you have the ball. Betts did a solid job but the back line was mediocre at best. With less attack, the back line would have been exposed.

Spot on

I think that saying is not even close to being spot on, at least not if implying that possession means the opponent can't score. (which your post seemed to indicate). A high possession tactic does indeed take pressure of your defenders more often than for example a kick and run tactic usually does. However, when losing the ball, defenders are often faced with much more difficult situation, because the team tends to be caught high up field. This gives the opponent plenty of space to attack, which makes it so much harder to defend, and often with less support from your more attack minded players (often including at least one fullback). Our last game this season was a good example of when possession didn't translate to making it easier for the defenders (unfortunately, the defenders didn't rise to the challenge either).

Also, in order to play a possession game you need defenders able to contribute. Keeping the ball is, as you state, one way of defending. Our defenders were really good at that, and that also counts.

It is in my opinion much, much easier to play as a defender in a Cardiff type system, without meaning to take credit from their defenders.

So, I disagree that our defenders were "mediocre at best". I think they performed their very difficult job admirably, and I believe that they deserve credit for that. I actually think that Betts was probably the weaker link. In any case, I am not at all worried if we go into the season with our current defenders, they are better than the defenders of most other teams in the division. Granted, they are more suited to a possession system than a Cardiff system, but I really hope we will try the former rather than the later anyway.

Cant remember which manger it was, Steve Bruce maybe? He said towards the end of last year, every manager's tactics when playing us was to get at us and press high as we had a poor defence. The problem was, they couldn't ever get the ball to put us under any real trouble.

That sums us up perfectly last year. Weak defence but as we were so good with possession, people couldn't expose us.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 16, 2019, 11:05:17 PM
Teams going down nearly always find defending is easier in the Championship because the oppositions aren't as good, but scoring goals can be just as hard if not harder as Stoke found out.

Next year, Fulham will almost certainly have the most expensive squad on paper and one of the better teams in the division. Lower half teams will enter the field trying not to concede and catch us on the counter. It can in many ways be harder to score against a team that we should beat, because they are less likely to push forward in order to win.

I believe we will do well against the teams in top part of the table (win some and lose some) but it's our ability to score against those in the bottom half that will determine our season. We need to win half our games next season, if we can dispose of bottom half teams the way we did against "low block Brighton" at home we will do well.

Mitro is key to beating low block teams, no defense (including a ManCity) can defend against that guy if he gets 90 minutes of service in the box. With Mitro, opposition teams have to cut off the service. The real difficult for relegated teams in the Championship is what Wolves had with lower ranked teams this year, it's hard to score if teams refuse to attack in numbers. Mitro is most dangerous if a team defends deep, so ideal for a top championship team.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Unpopular opinion. I'd prefer to keep Mitro. However if he wants out then I'd happily swap him for Benteke.

Benteke is truly awful. Even so, he wouldn't move to a championship club

He's only truly awful if you have a short memory.

He's down on his luck in a big way, but he still works hard up front. Reminds me a little of Bobby Zamora before he came to us. I think we have a chance to revive him.

Short memory? Sounds like you dont have a memory.  He's been terrible for a number of years.  Just because a player had one or two decent seasons years ago doesnt make them a good player.

Alright well just for the record..

I don't think you can call a player who has got into double figures for goals in the premier league  in 4 seperate seasons 'truly awful'. Considering Brian McBride didn't manage to accomplish this ever! (Not having a pop at Brian, just purely using a fulham great for a reference point).

Oh and the most recent of which was when he scored 15 goals for Palace 2 years ago. 2 years?!? So the same season that we reached the play offs and got knocked out by reading. Can you remember that or is that too long ago as it was 'a number of years' now.

And by the way, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but this Fulham team have spent most of the season being truly awful. I reckon Benteke would fit right in with this team and at Champioship level.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: Statto on May 16, 2019, 11:51:03 PM
He has been out with their captain again this evening. Seems to be his best mate at the moment. Going to palace would mean staying in London, and he's the type of striker Hodgson likes. As I said a couple of months ago, it pains me to contemplate it but I can see him going there.

I'd like to see us pull out all the stops - match what they're offering, make him vice captain and promise we'll release him next summer if we don't go back up.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 17, 2019, 01:53:29 AM
Quote from: Statto on May 16, 2019, 11:51:03 PM
He has been out with their captain again this evening. Seems to be his best mate at the moment. Going to palace would mean staying in London, and he's the type of striker Hodgson likes. As I said a couple of months ago, it pains me to contemplate it but I can see him going there.

I'd like to see us pull out all the stops - match what they're offering, make him vice captain and promise we'll release him next summer if we don't go back up.

Unless Mitro has a release clause enforced or we get £40m+, Fulham should not sell him. Any DoF would need £25m to replace Mitro and that's only if we buy pre-season. If we buy on deadline day even the best DoF would need £30m, but our DoF will buy on deadline day and needs at least £40m. Our DoF biggest advantage is he has a lot of money to invest, FFC could do worse than having our promotion hopes invested in Mitrovoic with a support cast around him. That is to say Fulham will do worse if they try to do clever transfers and recruitment. Fulham's plan should be to keep everyone except Sessegnon and invest in strength and depth. If FFC strategy requires money rather than wisdom from our DoF, then that is an excellent strategy for Fulham. Mawson, Anguissa, Cairney and Mitro lead promotion with 20 other players is the simple plan that can work, stick with it. I am sure other excellent strategies exist, but we will fail to implement anything except the simplest plan. Keep everyone we can from the last two seasons, make sure anyone lost like Fredricks and Sessegnon are replaced with similar players and we will be ok.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: hovewhite on May 17, 2019, 08:52:33 AM
TRF a good plan that I would go with also as another mass clearout would set back the club 3 or 4 years in my view.
Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: 70sPimlico on May 17, 2019, 09:54:49 AM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2019, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: YankeeJim on May 16, 2019, 07:29:51 PM

There was an old American football coach who used to say, "If they can't score, they can't beat ya". Our promotion season was one of ball control. The opponent can't score if you have the ball. Betts did a solid job but the back line was mediocre at best. With less attack, the back line would have been exposed.

Spot on

I think that saying is not even close to being spot on, at least not if implying that possession means the opponent can't score. (which your post seemed to indicate). A high possession tactic does indeed take pressure of your defenders more often than for example a kick and run tactic usually does. However, when losing the ball, defenders are often faced with much more difficult situation, because the team tends to be caught high up field. This gives the opponent plenty of space to attack, which makes it so much harder to defend, and often with less support from your more attack minded players (often including at least one fullback). Our last game this season was a good example of when possession didn't translate to making it easier for the defenders (unfortunately, the defenders didn't rise to the challenge either).

Also, in order to play a possession game you need defenders able to contribute. Keeping the ball is, as you state, one way of defending. Our defenders were really good at that, and that also counts.

It is in my opinion much, much easier to play as a defender in a Cardiff type system, without meaning to take credit from their defenders.

So, I disagree that our defenders were "mediocre at best". I think they performed their very difficult job admirably, and I believe that they deserve credit for that. I actually think that Betts was probably the weaker link. In any case, I am not at all worried if we go into the season with our current defenders, they are better than the defenders of most other teams in the division. Granted, they are more suited to a possession system than a Cardiff system, but I really hope we will try the former rather than the later anyway.

Cant remember which manger it was, Steve Bruce maybe? He said towards the end of last year, every manager's tactics when playing us was to get at us and press high as we had a poor defence. The problem was, they couldn't ever get the ball to put us under any real trouble.

That sums us up perfectly last year. Weak defence but as we were so good with possession, people couldn't expose us.

And to give credit to our defenders, they were pretty good at keeping the ball. They got better as the season went on and got very used to the balls coming out from Betts. It was pretty scary at the start of the season, that in itself I think was a big part of our long run from Xmas.

Title: Re: Mitro to Palace?
Post by: JoelH5 on May 17, 2019, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 16, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 16, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Unpopular opinion. I'd prefer to keep Mitro. However if he wants out then I'd happily swap him for Benteke.

Benteke is truly awful. Even so, he wouldn't move to a championship club

He's only truly awful if you have a short memory.

He's down on his luck in a big way, but he still works hard up front. Reminds me a little of Bobby Zamora before he came to us. I think we have a chance to revive him.

Short memory? Sounds like you dont have a memory.  He's been terrible for a number of years.  Just because a player had one or two decent seasons years ago doesnt make them a good player.

Alright well just for the record..

I don't think you can call a player who has got into double figures for goals in the premier league  in 4 seperate seasons 'truly awful'. Considering Brian McBride didn't manage to accomplish this ever! (Not having a pop at Brian, just purely using a fulham great for a reference point).

Oh and the most recent of which was when he scored 15 goals for Palace 2 years ago. 2 years?!? So the same season that we reached the play offs and got knocked out by reading. Can you remember that or is that too long ago as it was 'a number of years' now.

And by the way, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but this Fulham team have spent most of the season being truly awful. I reckon Benteke would fit right in with this team and at Champioship level.

Are you his agent?  :005: Let's forget Chris Smalling scored more than him this season. Smalling up front anyone?