Let the bidding begin....
BREAKING NEWS
Manchester United have made initial contact with Fulham about signing Ryan Sessegnon, Sky Sports News understands.
Tottenham and Juventus are also understood to be interested in the youngster, who will turn 19 on Saturday, but United are the only team to have approached Fulham so far.
Sessegnon is understood to be reluctant to play another season in the Championship following Fulham's relegation after just one term in the top flight, and United want to add young home-grown talent to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's squad.
And there is understood to be an acceptance at Fulham that the time maybe right to let Sessegnon move on, especially given he has just one year remaining on his contract.
Hopefully this will encourage a bidding war and drive the price up. I assume he has no interest in signing a new deal as he would have already signed if so. Hopefully United make the first firm offer as I think he prefers a move to Spurs. Levy is shrewd and I feared we would be losing him on the cheap. I would accept nothing less than £35m plus clauses based on appearances and international call ups and a large sell on fee percentage. Let's not have our pants pulled down on this one please TK
Quote from: DanVerSar on May 17, 2019, 07:03:08 PM
I would accept nothing less than £35m plus clauses based on appearances and international call ups and a large sell on fee percentage. Let's not have our pants pulled down on this one please TK
What would you do if the best offer you got was £15m, and the alternative was less than half that if he leaves on a tribunal 12 months from now?
I think he wants to go and we have to get the best deal possible which is hopefully more than £15mil, and that should achievable if several teams are bidding. Also I wouldn't be surprised if his brother is involved in any transfer as it would help the transitioning process.
Quote from: Art Vandelay on May 17, 2019, 08:15:33 PM
I think he wants to go and we have to get the best deal possible which is hopefully more than £15mil, and that should achievable if several teams are bidding. Also I wouldn't be surprised if his brother is involved in any transfer as it would help the transitioning process.
Sad but probably true. Hopefully not involving his brother.
It is very true and mightily sad. Would love Levy to miss out on this one.
Quote from: Statto on May 17, 2019, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: DanVerSar on May 17, 2019, 07:03:08 PM
I would accept nothing less than £35m plus clauses based on appearances and international call ups and a large sell on fee percentage. Let's not have our pants pulled down on this one please TK
What would you do if the best offer you got was £15m, and the alternative was less than half that if he leaves on a tribunal 12 months from now?
I'd keep him and hope he helps to get us promoted. Worth risking a few million if he gets us up
Judging by his recent performances he was gone 3 months ago!
If United are involved already the money could be big, silly big.
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on May 17, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
If United are involved already the money could be big, silly big.
Let's hope so. 💥
Hasn't set division alight, seems not interested in staying, cash in, multiple clubs after him, fee will be a good bidding war. use that to improve the team imo.
What happens if he wants to stay in London? Which I believe he does from media reports. If that's the case and Levy knows that he won't go into a bidding war he will bid what he thinks he can, we can accept any offer but Sess doesn't have to agree terms.
Bidding wars only work if a player doesn't have a preferred club or city to go too
Manure for all their faults have the cash to if they want to challenge, spuds don't, the club isn't to a level of Man City, Liverpool, Manure, if he wants to go for sucess, then it'll be one of them 3 + chelsea maybe too, Spurs aren't at that level, they fae each time, hence the Bottleham tag. I hope he stays and repays the faith Fulham have placed in him, if e goes, Liverpool is where i think he;d do best in long run.
It seems that Moussa 2 is valued at 35-40 Million pounds by Lyon
I wish we either
a/. Had a 2nd team sell-on clause (after Celtic/Lyon)
b/. We could afford and attract him.
Moussa 2, Mitro and (contoversially) AK on the RW would make mincemeat of the CS next year and we could
afford to let in 2 goals per game and still win :0)
Perhaps we could re-sign Ross :0)
It might need to be "kick and rush" football though
Quote from: rogerpnowinFlorida on May 17, 2019, 11:11:04 PM
It seems that Moussa 2 is valued at 35-40 Million pounds by Lyon
I wish we either
a/. Had a 2nd team sell-on clause (after Celtic/Lyon)
b/. We could afford and attract him.
Moussa 2, Mitro and (contoversially) AK on the RW would make mincemeat of the CS next year and we could
afford to let in 2 goals per game and still win :0)
Perhaps we could re-sign Ross :0)
It might need to be "kick and rush" football though
Quote from: rogerpnowinFlorida on May 17, 2019, 11:11:04 PM
It seems that Moussa 2 is valued at 35-40 Million pounds by Lyon
I wish we either
a/. Had a 2nd team sell-on clause (after Celtic/Lyon)
b/. We could afford and attract him.
Moussa 2, Mitro and (contoversially) AK on the RW would make mincemeat of the CS next year and we could
afford to let in 2 goals per game and still win :0)
Perhaps we could re-sign Ross :0)
It might need to be "kick and rush" football though
think football like life you can't turn back the clock all you can do is learn your lessons and be wiser and smarter!
The one club whose jersey I'd hate to see him wear.
If he goes there I'll never forgive the lad......
Quote from: junior white on May 17, 2019, 10:34:55 PM
What happens if he wants to stay in London? Which I believe he does from media reports. If that's the case and Levy knows that he won't go into a bidding war he will bid what he thinks he can, we can accept any offer but Sess doesn't have to agree terms.
Bidding wars only work if a player doesn't have a preferred club or city to go too
Not True, Sessegnon would be desperate to sign a five year contract, he'll move to Manchester to guarantee his financial future. Ryan Sessegnon is not rich yet (he probably can buy a house in Fulham no more), but the moment he signs a five-year contract he will richer than he ever imagined 10m-20m+ and will never have to work again. Alternatively, if Ryan Sessegnon stays and gets injured, then he will not have a lucrative career in football and will be training for some job like a P.E. school teacher on 40,000 per year to 90,000 per year. Markovoic probably taught Sessegnon about the advantages of cashing in to get a long-term contract when everyone thinks your full of potential and your little more than a speculative gamble.
If Manchester United offer Fulham big money, then Ryan Sessegnon's options will be i) move to Manchester United collect 10m+, ii) sign with Fulham for five years collect 10m+ or iii) stay with Fulham for one year collect 500k and hope to an injury free premier league player, then later is an insane risk for Sessegnon. It would be more sensible for Sessegnon to pay for his family and friends to move to Manchester than reject the deal, which is why a double deal for the twins is likely (even if they just put Steven on loan up North say at Oldham).
Quote from: KJS on May 17, 2019, 08:53:37 PM
Judging by his recent performances he was gone 3 months ago!
I think you are right
I can understand why Man U and Spurs are keen to add Ryan to their squads. They are planning for the future like us but are in a slightly advantageous position!
My concern is for Ryan. If you look at the squads for both teams, his playing time is highly unlikely to be anywhere near 100%, as it would be, if he remained with us. Yes, the prospect of a physical, Championship slog for another 12 months, might at first seem unappealing but there is no reason why we can't bounce back.
I, for one, am optimistic about the year ahead and Scott's ability to drive a change in standards on the field and off. If the amazing happens and Ryan was still with us , then I know he would then be available free or able to choose to stay. It could benefit him and us. After all, which are the benefits to player and club? The money we get from the sale of Ryan, his progress as a player, or the season ahead for the club?
Loan back could be another possibility but if Ryan feel's he must get away to develop, then I guess that won't be an option.
We need to thank Ryan for his amazing contributions to this club whatever happens next and hope that he will become, in due time, the regular England player that his talents deserve. He will always be one of our own. The future's bright. The future's black and white.
I want to know how much these "big" clubs are paying certain media sources to tap up players by coming up with certain statements. We have seen them all.
Sess wants to go to Spurs
Sess wants to stay in London
Spurs, Manure & PSV have tabled bids
Etc.
None of this has direct links to the Club or Sess.
Perhaps he will be sold but until I read it on the Offal I will ignore it as I do with all gossip.
What will be will be.
What about all the badge patting?? I thought he was going to be a lifer, who knew 1500.gif.
Pleased for the lad whatever he chooses to do, life is short and you have to make most of it whilst you can, if he feels a move away is the way to fair play just be nice if he signed a deal before he got to his last 12 months so we could have got a bigger pay day.
Quote from: DevonFFC on May 18, 2019, 11:41:59 AM
What about all the badge patting?? I thought he was going to be a lifer, who knew 1500.gif.
Pleased for the lad whatever he chooses to do, life is short and you have to make most of it whilst you can, if he feels a move away is the way to fair play just be nice if he signed a deal before he got to his last 12 months so we could have got a bigger pay day.
Saha & EVDS both signed long contracts with activation fees so that we got big fees. Would have been nice for Sess to have done the same.
It will stick in my throat a bit if he leaves.
He's clearly not ready for the PL and, if he joins someone like Spurs, will spend next season either in the u23s, on the bench, or out on loan somewhere, quite possibly to another Championship club.
Therefore I'm not sure why he wants to leave or thinks it will benefit him to leave at this stage.
If there's an Agent involved then money talks and the fee the Agent will get makes a transfer more likely.
Quote from: Statto on May 18, 2019, 12:03:11 PM
It will stick in my throat a bit if he leaves.
He's clearly not ready for the PL and, if he joins someone like Spurs, will spend next season either in the u23s, on the bench, or out on loan somewhere, quite possibly to another Championship club.
Therefore I'm not sure why he wants to leave or thinks it will benefit him to leave at this stage.
I'm guessing a mix of money, quality of coaching, opportunities (albeit fleeting) to appear on the very big stage, International chances, playing with better players and the fact that that opportunity is right now. He could have an average season in the Championship and maybe that opportunity does not come round again.
I really couldnt blame him and his fee should go a long way to giving us every chance to come up next season.
Its as close to a win:win as its going to get
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 18, 2019, 06:22:00 AM
Quote from: junior white on May 17, 2019, 10:34:55 PM
What happens if he wants to stay in London? Which I believe he does from media reports. If that's the case and Levy knows that he won't go into a bidding war he will bid what he thinks he can, we can accept any offer but Sess doesn't have to agree terms.
Bidding wars only work if a player doesn't have a preferred club or city to go too
Not True, Sessegnon would be desperate to sign a five year contract, he'll move to Manchester to guarantee his financial future. Ryan Sessegnon is not rich yet (he probably can buy a house in Fulham no more), but the moment he signs a five-year contract he will richer than he ever imagined 10m-20m+ and will never have to work again. Alternatively, if Ryan Sessegnon stays and gets injured, then he will not have a lucrative career in football and will be training for some job like a P.E. school teacher on 40,000 per year to 90,000 per year. Markovoic probably taught Sessegnon about the advantages of cashing in to get a long-term contract when everyone thinks your full of potential and your little more than a speculative gamble.
If Manchester United offer Fulham big money, then Ryan Sessegnon's options will be i) move to Manchester United collect 10m+, ii) sign with Fulham for five years collect 10m+ or iii) stay with Fulham for one year collect 500k and hope to an injury free premier league player, then later is an insane risk for Sessegnon. It would be more sensible for Sessegnon to pay for his family and friends to move to Manchester than reject the deal, which is why a double deal for the twins is likely (even if they just put Steven on loan up North say at Oldham).
I understand your point, but he can refuse to move and hold out for the club he wants (that's if the media reports are true and he wants to stay in London). He still doesn't need to sign a new deal and can leave for next to nothing (aka mousse the 2nd) or he could refuse to play and force a move (aka Payet) for the record I don't think he would refuse to play. The power is with players these days to a degree.
I hope he stays, and signs a new deal so we get some money next summer
As I said on another post I would have sold him last summer with the deal including that they loan back for the season just finished
Quote from: 70sPimlico on May 18, 2019, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: Statto on May 18, 2019, 12:03:11 PM
It will stick in my throat a bit if he leaves.
He's clearly not ready for the PL and, if he joins someone like Spurs, will spend next season either in the u23s, on the bench, or out on loan somewhere, quite possibly to another Championship club.
Therefore I'm not sure why he wants to leave or thinks it will benefit him to leave at this stage.
I'm guessing a mix of money, quality of coaching, opportunities (albeit fleeting) to appear on the very big stage, International chances, playing with better players and the fact that that opportunity is right now. He could have an average season in the Championship and maybe that opportunity does not come round again.
I really couldnt blame him and his fee should go a long way to giving us every chance to come up next season.
Its as close to a win:win as its going to get
He may get more money in the short-term but I don't think a year sitting on their bench will improve his long-term earning potential.
Also not sure training matches with PL players is any better for a player's development than competitive matches against Championship players.
Don't see him getting anywhere near the England team any time soon either.
And finally, I can't see us getting a 20 goals/assists per season winger with the money we'll get for him, which I think will be much lower than everyone on here seems to expect.
All in all, lose lose for me.
Perhaps leaving us is Sess's way of being loyal to us, his club.
He knows the money we get will help a long way to getting back up
but by staying, his contribution wouldn't be enough.
Or am I being naive ?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 18, 2019, 06:22:00 AM
Quote from: junior white on May 17, 2019, 10:34:55 PM
What happens if he wants to stay in London? Which I believe he does from media reports. If that's the case and Levy knows that he won't go into a bidding war he will bid what he thinks he can, we can accept any offer but Sess doesn't have to agree terms.
Bidding wars only work if a player doesn't have a preferred club or city to go too
Not True, Sessegnon would be desperate to sign a five year contract, he'll move to Manchester to guarantee his financial future. Ryan Sessegnon is not rich yet (he probably can buy a house in Fulham no more), but the moment he signs a five-year contract he will richer than he ever imagined 10m-20m+ and will never have to work again. Alternatively, if Ryan Sessegnon stays and gets injured, then he will not have a lucrative career in football and will be training for some job like a P.E. school teacher on 40,000 per year to 90,000 per year. Markovoic probably taught Sessegnon about the advantages of cashing in to get a long-term contract when everyone thinks your full of potential and your little more than a speculative gamble.
If Manchester United offer Fulham big money, then Ryan Sessegnon's options will be i) move to Manchester United collect 10m+, ii) sign with Fulham for five years collect 10m+ or iii) stay with Fulham for one year collect 500k and hope to an injury free premier league player, then later is an insane risk for Sessegnon. It would be more sensible for Sessegnon to pay for his family and friends to move to Manchester than reject the deal, which is why a double deal for the twins is likely (even if they just put Steven on loan up North say at Oldham).
Dear god, when did P.E. teachers start earning £40 - 90k pa? For someone who likes to present himself as rational and data driven that is wildly incorrect.
Let Ryan enjoy his birthday celebrations today (Many Happy Returns To Him) and organise his thoughts as he has shown a remarkably mature attitude with. I wish him well whatever he chooses, and from a purely unbiased football perspective, understand how much hinges on his decision - for him. Personally I do not believe he'll leave for money alone, and I think he'll make a wise choice in the next few days or weeks once all his options are out in the open.
The lad has been a credit to the club, his family and himself. He owes us nothing. Wherever he goes I wish him only the best. A long term contract at Manur or the like sets him and his family up for life. A studs up challenge by some thug in the Championship could end it all. Via con dios, Ryan.
Quote from: YankeeJim on May 18, 2019, 05:13:05 PM
A long term contract at Manur or the like sets him and his family up for life.
Does it though?
I'd be surprised if we're not offering £40k pw, and equally surprised if any of the top clubs are offering him much more than £60k pw.
So over the coming season, after 45% tax, it will probably be a case of earning £1m from Fulham or £1.5m from Man Utd. Hardly a life-changing difference.
As for injuries, presumably he's insured.
If he has another good season in the Championship and we don't get promoted then yes, I can understand him needing to move on, but as I said above, for the 19/20 season the Championship seems about the right level for him.
Quote from: YankeeJim on May 18, 2019, 05:13:05 PM
The lad has been a credit to the club, his family and himself. He owes us nothing. Wherever he goes I wish him only the best. A long term contract at Manur or the like sets him and his family up for life. A studs up challenge by some thug in the Championship could end it all. Via con dios, Ryan.
People need to be realistic. Ryan and Fulham have been good for each over, but sometimes you have to break up. Wish him the best whatever he decides.
Ryan has certainly earnt his move . But he will need to put in a lot more effort than he has the last few months and learn how to tackle and get stuck in if he has designs on a move to a top 6 club. United in their current state would be a poor choice , big transition coming can't believe he would be a first choice there. Spurs and liverpool would be a better fit for him and both have coaches that improve players. Hard to see him being anywhere near the first team though next season .
He cost us nothing as an individual and even if he left for nothing we couldn't be too disappointed but he won't. We will make a minimum of 15 mil for him and probably a lot more. If Sess goes to another premier league club he will need motivation to improve himself. If he stays here I don't believe he will have enough. He now needs to move on and leave the way open for a new starlet at the club for as much as we can get. Ther3 should also be a lot of add on's
Who cares lob him of, great Championship player, pony Premier, good luck to him.
Quote from: bahay18 on May 19, 2019, 06:06:21 PM
Ryan has certainly earnt his move . But he will need to put in a lot more effort than he has the last few months and learn how to tackle and get stuck in if he has designs on a move to a top 6 club. United in their current state would be a poor choice , big transition coming can't believe he would be a first choice there. Spurs and liverpool would be a better fit for him and both have coaches that improve players. Hard to see him being anywhere near the first team though next season .
It's a year in the gym for Ryan Sessegnon, improving his strength, aggression, jumping, heading, defending, volleys and long shots. He'll be top class in two years just you watch, when performances like the Southampton game at home are normal.
I've read that he favours a move to Liverpool over Man Utd but I cannot see that he would even make the bench for them. Man Utd could be a good fit as I'm sure they are going to have a massive overhaul of players and will give players a chance to bed in rather than expect an immediate title challenge so he should get chances at left wing back or left winger.
Successful sports people have huge self belief. Sess will be no different. He's never going to be injured and he's good enough to be first choice at whatever club he goes too. Staying at Fulham, while good for us, would be a backward step for him and strangely his brother. If he goes he gets rewarded and so do we. Steven Sessegnon can get on with developing his career away from the spotlight of his brother.
