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Title: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: ALG01 on July 10, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
I had hoped we may have seen a little positive movement in terms of new players by now.
the first game is a bit over 3 weeks away.
I suspect we will repeat past errors in the transfer market based on Mr khan jnr's pod cast because according to him he is perfect (please accept a little poetic licence in my paraphrasing).
This time we have a very inexperienced manager so getting the squad together would have seemed even more of a good idea.
we do not have the genius that was slav that got us up with basically 14 players.
mitro re signed so that excuse for inaction has now passed

my uneasy level for next season has ramps up quite a bit every day TK fails in his duties as usual.
 
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Hoppus on July 10, 2019, 11:30:01 PM
Leeds has signed two wolves players. Then we hear that Tony Kahn talks to super agent Mendes on the phone weekly. What are they talking about? wrestling? Brexit? Movies?
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: David I on July 10, 2019, 11:49:05 PM
Everyone TK is looking at must be match fit, injury free or at a bargain price otherwise he would have signed a few by now 🤭

And don’t forget his style is to wait until the last week of the transfer window to grab a bargain as it's impossible to buy players before deadline day ... 🤷‍♂️ Don’t you know.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: ..FOF.. on July 11, 2019, 12:06:23 AM
I think they would chalk up securing Mitro as a first signing already done.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: ALG01 on July 11, 2019, 12:26:11 AM
I think they would chalk up securing Mitro as a first signing already done.

That is eaked out PR to make you and me feel good about nothing happening.
TK is a one person universe where usual logic does not apply.
Leassons learned in five seasons exactly equal zero, which is strangely the number of signings so far this window.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: The Rational Fan on July 11, 2019, 01:37:11 AM
I suspect we will repeat past errors in the transfer market

Last year taught FFC that we overpay for players bought early in the window (eg MLM, Seri, Fabri and Schullre). I’ll show examples

The worst buy last season was first buy last season with MLM who is now half the value we paid for him. Obviously, we may have overpaid to get highly rated Seri, as we actually paid under market value for Seri at the time.

The second worst buy last season was our biggest loss in value Seri and the combined deal with MLM is probably the reason we overpaid for MLM.

The third worst signing last season was the third purchase last season in Fabri, although in fairness any goalkeeper that has conceded less than a goal a game in his last 70 games should have been given although chance. Fabri is rated much higher than Ryan Babel by turkish fans so selling should go well.

The fourth worst signing last season was the fourth signing Schullre, it seems we were desperate to sign another player to get Mitrovoic to sign after him. A terrible signing in terms of playing but as Mitro decided to sign straight after a one season loan wasn’t that expensive.

The fifth worst signing was Mawson, an excellent selection in terms of playing ability, essentially i think the medical report didn’t correct assess the risks. Mawson still could easily prove to be an a great great buy.

The sixth worst signing was Anguissa, like Mawson didn’t deliver value in his first season. Let’s be honest, his rate of winning MOTM especially for Cameroon is phenomenal (about 5 out of 15 matches). Anguissa plays badly at an incredibly high frequency, but no question if he can consistently perform at his best every game, £22 million will be a very good signing.

So the two lessons learnt is signing players early in the window means you pay too much that not good, but equally last season showed a player signed late in the window shouldnt play until mid Autumn minimum (Bryan, Chambers, Mawson and Anguissa were poor at start of season).
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: St Eve on July 11, 2019, 01:39:40 AM
I think they would chalk up securing Mitro as a first signing already done.
That’s about 3 signings
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: ALG01 on July 11, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
I suspect we will repeat past errors in the transfer market

Last year taught FFC that we overpay for players bought early in the window (eg MLM, Seri, Fabri and Schullre). I’ll show examples

The worst buy last season was first buy last season with MLM who is now half the value we paid for him. Obviously, we may have overpaid to get highly rated Seri, as we actually paid under market value for Seri at the time.

The second worst buy last season was our biggest loss in value Seri and the combined deal with MLM is probably the reason we overpaid for MLM.

The third worst signing last season was the third purchase last season in Fabri, although in fairness any goalkeeper that has conceded less than a goal a game in his last 70 games should have been given although chance. Fabri is rated much higher than Ryan Babel by turkish fans so selling should go well.

The fourth worst signing last season was the fourth signing Schullre, it seems we were desperate to sign another player to get Mitrovoic to sign after him. A terrible signing in terms of playing but as Mitro decided to sign straight after a one season loan wasn’t that expensive.

The fifth worst signing was Mawson, an excellent selection in terms of playing ability, essentially i think the medical report didn’t correct assess the risks. Mawson still could easily prove to be an a great great buy.

The sixth worst signing was Anguissa, like Mawson didn’t deliver value in his first season. Let’s be honest, his rate of winning MOTM especially for Cameroon is phenomenal (about 5 out of 15 matches). Anguissa plays badly at an incredibly high frequency, but no question if he can consistently perform at his best every game, £22 million will be a very good signing.

So the two lessons learnt is signing players early in the window means you pay too much that not good, but equally last season showed a player signed late in the window shouldnt play until mid Autumn minimum (Bryan, Chambers, Mawson and Anguissa were poor at start of season).

Once again you draw your own conclusions to make what you think is a point.

Implicit is that we make the right signings. So far we have made no signings, and have left ourselves with an incomplete squad until way too late in pre season, just like last season. yes we got a few in last time but because of the step up and the release of way too many loanees we were still short of players last season for far too long and pre season was nowhere near effective enough. Same error repeated...

If TK was really serious about being ambitious for us, and he is obviously not, we would have a virtually full squad by now unless he thinks what we have are good enough and I do not think it is if trying for top three finish is a priority.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: The Rational Fan on July 11, 2019, 03:23:33 PM
I suspect we will repeat past errors in the transfer market

Last year taught FFC that we overpay for players bought early in the window (eg MLM, Seri, Fabri and Schullre). I’ll show examples

The worst buy last season was first buy last season with MLM who is now half the value we paid for him. Obviously, we may have overpaid to get highly rated Seri, as we actually paid under market value for Seri at the time.

The second worst buy last season was our biggest loss in value Seri and the combined deal with MLM is probably the reason we overpaid for MLM.

The third worst signing last season was the third purchase last season in Fabri, although in fairness any goalkeeper that has conceded less than a goal a game in his last 70 games should have been given although chance. Fabri is rated much higher than Ryan Babel by turkish fans so selling should go well.

The fourth worst signing last season was the fourth signing Schullre, it seems we were desperate to sign another player to get Mitrovoic to sign after him. A terrible signing in terms of playing but as Mitro decided to sign straight after a one season loan wasn’t that expensive.

The fifth worst signing was Mawson, an excellent selection in terms of playing ability, essentially i think the medical report didn’t correct assess the risks. Mawson still could easily prove to be an a great great buy.

The sixth worst signing was Anguissa, like Mawson didn’t deliver value in his first season. Let’s be honest, his rate of winning MOTM especially for Cameroon is phenomenal (about 5 out of 15 matches). Anguissa plays badly at an incredibly high frequency, but no question if he can consistently perform at his best every game, £22 million will be a very good signing.

So the two lessons learnt is signing players early in the window means you pay too much that not good, but equally last season showed a player signed late in the window shouldnt play until mid Autumn minimum (Bryan, Chambers, Mawson and Anguissa were poor at start of season).

Once again you draw your own conclusions to make what you think is a point.

Implicit is that we make the right signings. So far we have made no signings, and have left ourselves with an incomplete squad until way too late in pre season, just like last season. yes we got a few in last time but because of the step up and the release of way too many loanees we were still short of players last season for far too long and pre season was nowhere near effective enough. Same error repeated...

If TK was really serious about being ambitious for us, and he is obviously not, we would have a virtually full squad by now unless he thinks what we have are good enough and I do not think it is if trying for top three finish is a priority.

You say " draw your own conclusions to make what you think is a point", what else do think I can do "draw other people conclusions?".
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Dr Quinzel on July 11, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
I think they would chalk up securing Mitro as a first signing already done.

They can if they want. I don't think many fans would have the wool pulled over their eyes in that respect however.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Nero on July 11, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
Ive heard TK had players lined up but Scott didnt want any of them, we can make up what every we want to fit our narrative 
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Camel Club on July 11, 2019, 04:22:14 PM
Whilst there are still doubts over where Seri and Ryan Sess will be next season the make up of the squad is becoming a lot clearer. I fully expect a couple of really important signings to be announced over the next 10 days which will demonstrate why we are so highly fancied for an immediate return to the PL.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Jims Dentist on July 11, 2019, 06:55:39 PM
Ive heard TK had players lined up but Scott didnt want any of them, we can make up what every we want to fit our narrative 
If true then good for SP. He knows more what is needed.
Shame this didn't happen last season.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Mince n Tatties on July 11, 2019, 07:04:44 PM
Ive heard TK had players lined up but Scott didnt want any of them, we can make up what every we want to fit our narrative 
If true then good for SP. He knows more what is needed.
Shame this didn't happen last season.

Yes some fella called Messi was coming on loan.
But Scottie blocked it.😋
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: HV71 on July 11, 2019, 07:06:54 PM
Ive heard TK had players lined up but Scott didnt want any of them, we can make up what every we want to fit our narrative 
If true then good for SP. He knows more what is needed.
Shame this didn't happen last season.

As you say , if true, this is probably the best news of the summer break ( along with Mitro ).
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Andy S on July 11, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
Players and agents do not and never have laid down to have their belly stroked. Negotiations are tough and yes they go on for a bit in most cases. That is why Sess is still here. So let’s not worry how long until the start of the season is as it will all be clear soon
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: jarv on July 11, 2019, 10:07:33 PM
Stop all this nonsense about inactivity. Fulham has to wait until deals are done (or not) for Seri and Sess plus one or two more. Then they have money to spend else they hang on to 2 good players for now.  When you buy a house, in the chain, timing is everything and nothing can be done if someone breaks the chain.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: JoelH5 on July 11, 2019, 10:10:07 PM
Funny how loads of other clubs have managed it
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: junior white on July 11, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
When did we last sign someone when we were away on a training camp? Someone must know, I can’t remember
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: ALG01 on July 11, 2019, 10:47:55 PM
I suspect we will repeat past errors in the transfer market

Last year taught FFC that we overpay for players bought early in the window (eg MLM, Seri, Fabri and Schullre). I’ll show examples

The worst buy last season was first buy last season with MLM who is now half the value we paid for him. Obviously, we may have overpaid to get highly rated Seri, as we actually paid under market value for Seri at the time.

The second worst buy last season was our biggest loss in value Seri and the combined deal with MLM is probably the reason we overpaid for MLM.

The third worst signing last season was the third purchase last season in Fabri, although in fairness any goalkeeper that has conceded less than a goal a game in his last 70 games should have been given although chance. Fabri is rated much higher than Ryan Babel by turkish fans so selling should go well.

The fourth worst signing last season was the fourth signing Schullre, it seems we were desperate to sign another player to get Mitrovoic to sign after him. A terrible signing in terms of playing but as Mitro decided to sign straight after a one season loan wasn’t that expensive.

The fifth worst signing was Mawson, an excellent selection in terms of playing ability, essentially i think the medical report didn’t correct assess the risks. Mawson still could easily prove to be an a great great buy.

The sixth worst signing was Anguissa, like Mawson didn’t deliver value in his first season. Let’s be honest, his rate of winning MOTM especially for Cameroon is phenomenal (about 5 out of 15 matches). Anguissa plays badly at an incredibly high frequency, but no question if he can consistently perform at his best every game, £22 million will be a very good signing.

So the two lessons learnt is signing players early in the window means you pay too much that not good, but equally last season showed a player signed late in the window shouldnt play until mid Autumn minimum (Bryan, Chambers, Mawson and Anguissa were poor at start of season).

Once again you draw your own conclusions to make what you think is a point.

Implicit is that we make the right signings. So far we have made no signings, and have left ourselves with an incomplete squad until way too late in pre season, just like last season. yes we got a few in last time but because of the step up and the release of way too many loanees we were still short of players last season for far too long and pre season was nowhere near effective enough. Same error repeated...

If TK was really serious about being ambitious for us, and he is obviously not, we would have a virtually full squad by now unless he thinks what we have are good enough and I do not think it is if trying for top three finish is a priority.

You say " draw your own conclusions to make what you think is a point", what else do think I can do "draw other people conclusions?".

Well you could actually address the actual point i am actually making, rather than always make a different one in defence of the club management.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: The Rational Fan on July 12, 2019, 01:48:45 AM
Fans may have to accept we may not have any money that FFP allows us to spend other than the profit raised from players we can sell. Selling Fabri and Seri is cutting costs in the future, but doesn’t give us money until losses are paid off. Maybe we should just loan them or use them.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Twig on July 12, 2019, 07:30:27 AM
Ive heard TK had players lined up but Scott didnt want any of them, we can make up what every we want to fit our narrative 
If true then good for SP. He knows more what is needed.
Shame this didn't happen last season.

As you say , if true, this is probably the best news of the summer break ( along with Mitro ).

Sorry I may be missing something here but how is it such good news that, if true, TK had some inappropriate signings lined up. All of which were rejected by the manager?   
Is it a) good that TK had the wrong signings lined up or b) good that SP rejected them all?
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
Funny how loads of other clubs have managed it

We're the only club in the Championship to not manage it, despite the parachute money.

Europe's top 5 leagues have seen spending of 2.72bn so far this summer.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2019/jun/04/football-transfer-window-2019-every-summer-deal-from-europe-top-five-leagues

It isn't outside factors - it is a deliberate choice by the club. You can choose to accept that ofcourse, but lets not pretend it is some impossible task they are facing.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: HV71 on July 12, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
Sorry I may be missing something here but how is it such good news that, if true, TK had some inappropriate signings lined up. All of which were rejected by the manager?   
Is it a) good that TK had the wrong signings lined up or b) good that SP rejected them all?


Apologies Twig for not being clear. I am just pleased that , if the rumours are true , Parker has had his say in who he wants in the squad. SP will live or die by his football decisions whilst TK will live on no matter how he performs.Football people have to have the final say , within the understandable financial constraints, of who comes in and who goes. I have little faith in TK’s ability to choose the right players, never mind the right ‘team mix’ .
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: filham on July 12, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
Ive heard TK had players lined up but Scott didnt want any of them, we can make up what every we want to fit our narrative 
If true then good for SP. He knows more what is needed.
Shame this didn't happen last season.
If this is fact then it is really good to hear that Parker is in control of transfers.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Twig on July 12, 2019, 10:30:42 AM
Sorry I may be missing something here but how is it such good news that, if true, TK had some inappropriate signings lined up. All of which were rejected by the manager?   
Is it a) good that TK had the wrong signings lined up or b) good that SP rejected them all?


Apologies Twig for not being clear. I am just pleased that , if the rumours are true , Parker has had his say in who he wants in the squad. SP will live or die by his football decisions whilst TK will live on no matter how he performs.Football people have to have the final say , within the understandable financial constraints, of who comes in and who goes. I have little faith in TK’s ability to choose the right players, never mind the right ‘team mix’ .

Got you. And I couldn’t agree more.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: ALG01 on July 12, 2019, 10:33:49 AM
Fans may have to accept we may not have any money that FFP allows us to spend other than the profit raised from players we can sell. Selling Fabri and Seri is cutting costs in the future, but doesn’t give us money until losses are paid off. Maybe we should just loan them or use them.

If that is in fact the case then the club, and therefore TK in the recent podcast, should share that with us because we can cope with facts. I know before season ticket deadline day they would be reluctant to perhaps do that but surely now would be useful so we can manage our expectations.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on July 12, 2019, 11:55:12 AM
Sorry I may be missing something here but how is it such good news that, if true, TK had some inappropriate signings lined up. All of which were rejected by the manager?   
Is it a) good that TK had the wrong signings lined up or b) good that SP rejected them all?


Apologies Twig for not being clear. I am just pleased that , if the rumours are true , Parker has had his say in who he wants in the squad. SP will live or die by his football decisions whilst TK will live on no matter how he performs.Football people have to have the final say , within the understandable financial constraints, of who comes in and who goes. I have little faith in TK’s ability to choose the right players, never mind the right ‘team mix’ .

Agree 👍
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: Artful Dodger on July 12, 2019, 12:37:15 PM
When did we last sign someone when we were away on a training camp? Someone must know, I can’t remember
Ross McCormack signed in time to go on the training camp I seem to remember....one of our best signings in recent years in terms of where we were then as a club and keeping us up in the Championship.
Title: Re: It's been a week (nearly)
Post by: The Rock on July 12, 2019, 01:22:07 PM
If Cavaleiro news is true, then as it stands, the only signings we'd really need on top of the current squad would be defenders really. You would have to think that if somehow Anguissa and Seri actually stayed, they would have the quality perform well in the Championship. At least their price tag should warrant it.