I'm not sure if the players read these boards or the comments on social media but he gets it the worst from our fans.
He had just put a video on social media of him training and the caption reads
"Don't let the negativity given to you by the world disempower you"
Telling after the slating he got after the friendly against Porto
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
Yep. 100% agree.
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
No one wearing the white shirt should get personal abuse, booing etc from our fans. But I think it fine to say someone is playing crap or not good enough. He gets paid £1m+ per year to do a job most would do for free. He should be able to handle a bit of stick and if he can't, he's free to walk away and do a 'normal' job like the rest of us. In any case now we've dropped a level, I think he'll look better and the fans will quickly change their tune.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Yeah, but if you hear your "customers/clients" or whatever you want to call them, slagging you off, will it have a Positive or negative effect on you?!
We're supporters, we're supposed to support the team.
It's his job to lose imo. I support him 100% until he gets his job taken away. I thought he had a decent overall game against a good opponent.
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Support him 100%, regardless of my opinion of him at times I will always want him to do well while playing for us.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Did you not see Odoi
Quote from: love4ffc on July 18, 2019, 06:52:46 PM
Support him 100%, regardless of my opinion of him at times I will always want him to do well while playing for us.
I'm sure 99% of us want him to do well but we shouldn't have to pretend his is when he isn't
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: love4ffc on July 18, 2019, 06:52:46 PM
Support him 100%, regardless of my opinion of him at times I will always want him to do well while playing for us.
I'm sure 99% of us want him to do well but we shouldn't have to pretend his is when he isn't
Trust me, I will be the first to criticise him when he is doing poorly. He is a professional and needs to except criticism. But criticism should be constructive and not demeaning.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Worst player for us last season....Really?
I can name a few who were 10 times worse.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 18, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Worst player for us last season....Really?
I can name a few who were 10 times worse.
Who were first 11 regulars? Go on...
Quote from: love4ffc on July 18, 2019, 07:15:28 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: love4ffc on July 18, 2019, 06:52:46 PM
Support him 100%, regardless of my opinion of him at times I will always want him to do well while playing for us.
I'm sure 99% of us want him to do well but we shouldn't have to pretend his is when he isn't
Trust me, I will be the first to criticise him when he is doing poorly. He is a professional and needs to except criticism. But criticism should be constructive and not demeaning.
Yeah I agree with that. I wouldn't ever boo him
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 18, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Worst player for us last season....Really?
I can name a few who were 10 times worse.
Who were first 11 regulars? Go on...
Odoi...Seri..Rico.....Do you want me to go on.
Booing players at any level saps their confidence. Slagging 5hem off in polls doesn't do any good either. Encouragement can turn them into super hero's
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 18, 2019, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 18, 2019, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Worst player for us last season....Really?
I can name a few who were 10 times worse.
Who were first 11 regulars? Go on...
Odoi...Seri..Rico.....Do you want me to go on.
Odoi... no chance. Seri was miles better than Christie. You are comparing him to the level he was expected to be at. Forgetting how good they should be, Seri looked miles better.
Rico was actually a great shot stopper. He just had a run of 4 games where we made a few errors. So yes, please do go on as you're yet to name someone who played worse.
Dont get me wrong. I'd love him to have an amazing season but I think we would be better served getting in someone better. RB is our main priority in my opinion. That doesnt mean I would tweet him saying he's crap or boo him though.
Anyone wearing the Fulham shirt and giving their best gets my full support. I've never seen Cyrus give less than 100% for us. Let us not forget that he was in the unenviable position of being the first choice right back in the PL in an unsettled defence when he had previously only been Ryan Fredericks' understudy in the Championship.
I believe he will be a good right back for us next season in the same way as Joe Bryan on the other flank as long as we have a decent centre back pairing and adequate protection in the form of quality defensive midfielders.
In fairness...
thought he was really poor last year.
But he played well in the friendly, hopeful he'll do alright in the championship just not convinced by him in last years team at that level is all.
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
It seems to me that Cyrus Christie's video caption message is expressing his sentiments about negativity in the generic sense, which includes the reverse meaning of positivity. Whether or not you, the observer of the message, believe in the sentiment is down to your personal feelings about the positive v. negative syndrome which, in many cultures, is said to exclude the essential meaning that both are absolutely necessary - in balance - to complete a whole. It is the kind of superficial thing that is very common on social media and means very little.
I've watched a lot of Cyrus since he joined FFC including his games for Ireland to see if he played better in different formations and styles but he was always much the same performer. He is a good footballer who has limits that he recognises and plays well within. I do feel he was an inappropriate choice to replace Fredericks whose skill set was very different. That isn't Cyrus's fault. It is also a good reason why he didn't replace Fredericks while our former right back was still here. He has had a tough introduction to life at the Club but at least he has stuck to it. Wish him well under Parker but I think he is playing in our weakest position and on our weakest flank as it stands. Hope he does better with a decent partner on the right but I still criticise him if he doesn't.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
I think the question is, was he better than Fredericks?
Most would say no. We went up through the playoffs last time. We want to get automatic now. Why would we want a player who is not as good as the one we had in the playoff season?
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
I think the question is, was he better than Fredericks?
Most would say no. We went up through the playoffs last time. We want to get automatic now. Why would we want a player who is not as good as the one we had in the playoff season?
During the half season we had Targett, Mitrovic and a fit Cairney, we significantly outperformed Cardiff, and even Wolves I believe. In other words, we were a top 2 side, and arguably the best side in the division. So we don't need to be any better than that to go up via the automatics, if indeed that's our aim.
To reach that standard again, I don't think every player has to be the same, but rather, the team overall needs to be up to the same standard.
IMO Anguissa, Cavaleiro and Mawson are upgrades on McDonald, Ayite and Ream. I suspect we'll also bring in a RCB who's better than Odoi. Having upgraded in 4 positions, IMO we can afford to be marginally worse in at least 1 position, which will most likely be RB.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
I think the question is, was he better than Fredericks?
Most would say no. We went up through the playoffs last time. We want to get automatic now. Why would we want a player who is not as good as the one we had in the playoff season?
So, the answer is then that because he didn't start ahead of the already well performing and integrated Fredericks, he was not up to upper Championship standard. Very weird reasoning, seemingly devoid of logic (unless you think that Fredericks was not good enough perhaps). In any case, we would probably always want as good players as possible in every position. But the question is not if he is better now than Fredericks was in our promotion season. The relevant question is (quite obviously one would think) whether he is good enough to play a part in a team with promotion ambitions. So unless you are certain that i) Fredericks is a better player, and ii) Fredericks was the absolute minimum standard of a right back that a team could hope gain promotion with, the comparison is not really relevant when answering the relevant question.
He's warranted constructive criticism but boo'ing and being abusive is too much. Blindly supportive isn't my thing and trying to force that view on others is reductive. Being critical is fine, being abusive is not.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
Because I saw him play, in the flesh, far to often.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 18, 2019, 10:19:41 PM
He's warranted constructive criticism but boo'ing and being abusive is too much. Blindly supportive isn't my thing and trying to force that view on others is reductive. Being critical is fine, being abusive is not.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
I think the question is, was he better than Fredericks?
Most would say no. We went up through the playoffs last time. We want to get automatic now. Why would we want a player who is not as good as the one we had in the playoff season?
So, the answer is then that because he didn't start ahead of the already well performing and integrated Fredericks, he was not up to upper Championship standard. Very weird reasoning, seemingly devoid of logic (unless you think that Fredericks was not good enough perhaps). In any case, we would probably always want as good players as possible in every position. But the question is not if he is better now than Fredericks was in our promotion season. The relevant question is (quite obviously one would think) whether he is good enough to play a part in a team with promotion ambitions. So unless you are certain that i) Fredericks is a better player, and ii) Fredericks was the absolute minimum standard of a right back that a team could hope gain promotion with, the comparison is not really relevant when answering the relevant question.
Ive got a tip for you. When trying to argue a point, try not to use phrases such as 'devoid of logic.' It tends to make you look childish and detract from your argument.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
Because I saw him play, in the flesh, far to often.
Christie did a job for us in our promotion season. He wasn't spectacular (not that he had much time to be), but he still chipped in with a few assists. Only thing that springs out to me with Christie in our promotion season (other than scoring against us for Boro) is him not taking it to the corner against Brentford.
I think we signed Christie that January to be a Fredericks replacement in the Championship as we knew Fredericks was off, and he was never intended to be a starting Prem Right-Back. It just so happened that the player we did sign to be our starting Right-Back in Fosu-Mensah managed to be worse. So while I want us to sign a new RB, I'm not going to be holding my breath.
To add on, I said this in a different thread as well- we all complain about our kids not getting enough chances, but then we all also want a new signing rather than acknowledging that Parker might want to fully back S. Sessegnon/Fossey/Drameh for next season. I think a proper pathway to the first team is one of Parker's "things", because Taylor-Crossdale spoke quite openly about it when he signed. So if we're looking for a Christie replacement, we might already have it.
Cyrus Christie had the hardest job in the premier league with Odoi providing support inside him, Schurlle in front of him and Hazard coming at him. And, although he was quite bad, he wasn't a total failure. If anyone doubts his standard, i believe he has played more games in the Championship than any other player in the squad (around 140 games). He is not a strength, but nearly every team ever promoted has had a worse player in their Starting XI somewhere for half a season. We are losing lots of players, replacing players and 60% of transfers from the average DoF don't work (and our DoF is very average). We need to have money to buy at least one player in the winter transfer window, because someone will get injured or disappoint. If I was delay one position until then it would be the RB as we have two decent players Christie and Odoi plus a few more potentials S.Sess, Fossey, Dramah and Cisse.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 18, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
he was not up to the standard in the promotion year and the because of the step up was spectacularly poor last season.
In the friendly V porto he was poor again.... we need a proper right back
Why wasn't he up to standard in the promotion year? How can you come to that conclusion?
Because I saw him play, in the flesh, far to often.
Do you refer to the one full game + a couple of short subs he played for us, or were you watching Boro a lot? Because if it is the former, I would think that it is harsh to judge a new player on such a very limited number of performances.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 10:55:13 PM
Ive got a tip for you. When trying to argue a point, try not to use phrases such as 'devoid of logic.' It tends to make you look childish and detract from your argument.
My apologies for putting forth a childish looking argument, I agree that such phrases were not needed to put forth my point.
So, in order to be able to have a non childish argument, instead I ask you this: Do you believe that Fredericks anno 17/18 was the absolute minimum required standard of a championship right back (assuming the team wants a fair chance at promotion)?
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 18, 2019, 11:18:31 PM
To add on, I said this in a different thread as well- we all complain about our kids not getting enough chances, but then we all also want a new signing rather than acknowledging that Parker might want to fully back S. Sessegnon/Fossey/Drameh for next season. I think a proper pathway to the first team is one of Parker's "things", because Taylor-Crossdale spoke quite openly about it when he signed. So if we're looking for a Christie replacement, we might already have it.
I am hopeful that you are right in believing we already have some options to tease out for the right flank options because I do not see us signing (i.e. not loaning) a RB before the window shuts. I also believe SP will integrate youngsters as far as he can trust them if circumstances suggest there are good partnerships to be derived from training ground exercises. I also believe Christie offers some real utility (as does Odoi) from the bench if one of the youngsters is successfully integrated into first team action.
Really pisses me off ,people slagging off players on these sites and it's always the same players.get a life!
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
Fully agree.
That right back spot was a problem last season with three players failing to make a success.
We should give Christie a clean start this season to se how well he does.
Quote from: hovewhite on July 19, 2019, 08:01:23 AM
Really pisses me off ,people slagging off players on these sites and it's always the same players.get a life!
This negative attitude is clearly getting to the players, Christie commented on his feed, Fabri's friends have commented, an article about Seri implied he didn't want to stay where he wasn't wanted and even Ryan Sessegnon has wanted to leave even since fans complained about him being on the bench. The DoF is clearly also distressed, he got his dad to give him some of future inheritance and wasted some of it, but we still ended up with Mawson, Bryan, Anguissa, Mitrovoic and Caveliro that's not value for money but still an upgrade most championship teams dream of. Of course, we should discuss where upgrades are needed and if Christie was a backup RB our team would be stronger. But if you support Fulham you'll still be watching if Christie is our best player, rather than our weakest.
I'd rather have Cyrus at RB than Odoi.
When Odoi played there,he kept showing the attacker on the ball inside instead of down the line.
And what happened, ball in back of net most times.
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Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 18, 2019, 06:33:59 PM
Any player wearing our shirt deserves encouragement. The constant slagging off a player & booing are counter productive. Make fair & objective comments after a game is fine but the abuse he gets before the season has started is uncalled for.
I think he was the worst player in the regular 11 last season due to, in my opinion, his poor marking, lack of ability to get the ball into the box etc. However, that is nothing against his personality. He seems very professional and a decent guy. I think if people dont make personal assumptions but comment on his ability, that's fair enough. As fans of the club, we are allowed a view. What I dont agree with is people making personal comments about someone they don't know.
Yeah, but if you hear your "customers/clients" or whatever you want to call them, slagging you off, will it have a Positive or negative effect on you?!
We're supporters, we're supposed to support the team.
:plus one:
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 19, 2019, 08:33:32 AM
I'd rather have Cyrus at RB than Odoi.
When Odoi played there,he kept showing the attacker on the ball inside instead of down the line.
And what happened, ball in back of net most times.
Transfermarkt says we could sell Christie for £3m and Sporting Lisbon is interested. But, I'd prefer to keep Christie than give TK £3m to replace our Right Back. I doubt many DoFs could replace Christie for £3m and definitely not our DoF.
One player is always going to be the worst in the XI that doesn't mean we should slag him off. Clearly, a lot of players played better football elsewhere in 17/18 (eg Fabri) than at Fulham in 18/19. No amount of owners investment or improved recruitment will result in success unless some players play there best football here.
Serious Question,I watched the Championship games last season on TV, how many RB's did I see were any or much better than Cyrus...
Can you name any?
I think he's a decent player - has faults, but so does every player. I think he always gives his all.
The other night v Porto, I thought he was good - the pen appeal- I thought he showed good strength as a defender, as he did on other occasions.
He will do better a) in the Championship and b) if the team is performing better, and getting good results c) if the fans get behind him.
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In the past was Fred Callaghan faultless as a full-back? Moriz Volz? Liam Rosenior? Jim Langley?
But we got behind them and respected them as Fulham players who did their best.
It's obviously fine to criticise a player's performance, but these days it goes over the top, and certain players become scapegoats on social media.
He seems a thoroughly decent person off the pitch and if he's man enough to brush aside abuse then he has my support so long as he gives of his best.
I hate to see players become scapegoats when the mob mentality sets in. It happened to Baird at the outset - and what a hero he became - also to McAnespie in his first game and he was scarcely seen again. Personally, I was no fan of Steve Earle when he failed to get stuck in but I'd never have booed him, though some did.
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Quote from: JoelH5 on July 18, 2019, 10:55:13 PM
Ive got a tip for you. When trying to argue a point, try not to use phrases such as 'devoid of logic.' It tends to make you look childish and detract from your argument.
My apologies for putting forth a childish looking argument, I agree that such phrases were not needed to put forth my point.
So, in order to be able to have a non childish argument, instead I ask you this: Do you believe that Fredericks anno 17/18 was the absolute minimum required standard of a championship right back (assuming the team wants a fair chance at promotion)?
It's a question which is impossible to answer as it's down to opinion. Not to sound like a politician however, no, I agree we could potentially get away with someone who wasnt as strong at the back. I dont actually believe Fredericks was better at marking or tackling than Christie however, he was so fast, he could get back and cause problems for attackers if he made a mistake whereas Christie cant.
My point; I feel RB is currently our weakest position. Could we get away with using Christie? Who knows but it's definitely a possibility.
Should we look to improve, what is in my opinion our weakest position? Of course.
I don't like it, but I understand scapegoating a player that comes on a huge salary as first team player. But, Christie was never meant to be a premier league first team right back, he was the backup behind TFM and Chambers when we failed to get Montana. He was in the team because he was a decent backup nothing more and the season first choice right backs were worse. To make matters worse, the poor guy had a backup inside him with Odoi and in front of him Schullre had decided he was an attacker only.
He seems very sensitive, if the fans that pay his wages don't think he's good enough he should try to prove them wrong, not post drivel on social media.
Its quite obvious that he isn't good enough to be our starting right back and is very lucky to currently have the honour.
Fans have every right to say when a player is letting their team down.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 19, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
I don't like it, but I understand scapegoating a player that comes on a huge salary as first team player. But, Christie was never meant to be a premier league first team right back, he was the backup behind TFM and Chambers when we failed to get Montana. He was in the team because he was a decent backup nothing more and the season first choice right backs were worse. To make matters worse, the poor guy had a backup inside him with Odoi and in front of him Schullre had decided he was an attacker only.
Again, regular constructive criticiser of Christie last year but I made this point too. It's really not his fault that to myself and others, he wasn't up to the task of being an EPL full back. That doesn't warrant abuse BUT that doesn't warrant unquestionable support, devoid of criticism.
I'll repeat this again, personally, I'd like a better RB but if he starts the season for us, does amazing and supersedes all expectations, awesome. BUT if he doesn't play well, hold his place or just looks out of sorts in one of the best (on paper) championship teams, you can betcha dollar i'll be here saying I still don't rate him and think we should of bettered the last two windows, not just this current one.
Long story short, not a scapegoat, not unwarranted criticism, don't be abusive in criticism and support him when he puts on the shirt.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 19, 2019, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 19, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
I don't like it, but I understand scapegoating a player that comes on a huge salary as first team player. But, Christie was never meant to be a premier league first team right back, he was the backup behind TFM and Chambers when we failed to get Montana. He was in the team because he was a decent backup nothing more and the season first choice right backs were worse. To make matters worse, the poor guy had a backup inside him with Odoi and in front of him Schullre had decided he was an attacker only.
Again, regular constructive criticiser of Christie last year but I made this point too. It's really not his fault that to myself and others, he wasn't up to the task of being an EPL full back. That doesn't warrant abuse BUT that doesn't warrant unquestionable support, devoid of criticism.
I'll repeat this again, personally, I'd like a better RB but if he starts the season for us, does amazing and supersedes all expectations, awesome. BUT if he doesn't play well, hold his place or just looks out of sorts in one of the best (on paper) championship teams, you can betcha dollar i'll be here saying I still don't rate him and think we should of bettered the last two windows, not just this current one.
Long story short, not a scapegoat, not unwarranted criticism, don't be abusive in criticism and support him when he puts on the shirt.
All our right back where useless last season, think its more so to with the fact the RCB needs filling with a player that plays that role naturally not throwing a RB who can play there but who was bloody useless there last year
Quote from: Nero on July 19, 2019, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 19, 2019, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 19, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
I don't like it, but I understand scapegoating a player that comes on a huge salary as first team player. But, Christie was never meant to be a premier league first team right back, he was the backup behind TFM and Chambers when we failed to get Montana. He was in the team because he was a decent backup nothing more and the season first choice right backs were worse. To make matters worse, the poor guy had a backup inside him with Odoi and in front of him Schullre had decided he was an attacker only.
Again, regular constructive criticiser of Christie last year but I made this point too. It's really not his fault that to myself and others, he wasn't up to the task of being an EPL full back. That doesn't warrant abuse BUT that doesn't warrant unquestionable support, devoid of criticism.
I'll repeat this again, personally, I'd like a better RB but if he starts the season for us, does amazing and supersedes all expectations, awesome. BUT if he doesn't play well, hold his place or just looks out of sorts in one of the best (on paper) championship teams, you can betcha dollar i'll be here saying I still don't rate him and think we should of bettered the last two windows, not just this current one.
Long story short, not a scapegoat, not unwarranted criticism, don't be abusive in criticism and support him when he puts on the shirt.
All our right back where useless last season, think its more so to with the fact the RCB needs filling with a player that plays that role naturally not throwing a RB who can play there but who was bloody useless there last year
I don't disagree to some extent but going down a league and with the quality we have now, you'd like to think our defence will fare better than last. Less pressure during the game should help stabilise the back line somewhat. If our midfield dominates games in the middle like it should and provides ample support to back line, we should see better defensive stats (i hope). I'm hoping Christie pleasantly surprises me next year but I have my reservations.
I was intrigued by the references to the fastest players, statistically speaking, and wondered how this is actually measured in football. It seems there are a multitude of ways upon which, statistically speaking, speed is measured but none of them actually deal with or measure acceleration - the ability to move from a standing start to maximum velocity in the shortest space of time - which is another way at looking at speed in terms of a footballer's skill. Now if maximum velocity is low then acceleration may be brief but speed will be low. But if acceleration is high and maximum velocity above average then you have a fast player at close to top speeds.
In other words speed, statistically speaking, appears to be fastest over a given distance, or at final top rate velocity, but nowhere does acceleration make an appearance in the figures. This may account for the reason why statements about who is fastest are actually not worth the paper they are written on. Only a measure at intervals of speed at given increments - 10metres, 20m, 30m ... and so on, actually measure what skills the athlete actually has in getting up to an above average maximum pace in the shortest time and maintaining it.
I'll leave it to others to pontificate on why the wrong measures and statistics may be terribly misleading when it comes to determining which players are fast and would be the best fit replacement for another player noted for pace.
Quote from: Chutney on July 19, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
He seems very sensitive, if the fans that pay his wages don't think he's good enough he should try to prove them wrong, not post drivel on social media.
Its quite obvious that he isn't good enough to be our starting right back and is very lucky to currently have the honour.
Fans have every right to say when a player is letting their team down.
To be fair, the idea that fans pay the wages of the players these days doesn't really hold much water.
I haven't seen the numbers lately but I'm pretty sure that match day revenue pails in comparison to TV and Advertising these days.
Quote from: Chutney on July 19, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
He seems very sensitive, if the fans that pay his wages don't think he's good enough he should try to prove them wrong, not post drivel on social media.
Its quite obvious that he isn't good enough to be our starting right back and is very lucky to currently have the honour.
Fans have every right to say when a player is letting their team down.
Kind of ironic that you describe Christie's short positive post as "drivel", given the contents of your own post.
In any case, where is the contradiction between posting on social media and trying to prove someone wrong? Further, do you believe that Christie just walked by one day and happened to be given a contract? Just like everyone else at this level, he has worked very hard for many years in order to come as far as he has. That's not luck, but determination.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 19, 2019, 09:17:23 AM
It's a question which is impossible to answer as it's down to opinion. Not to sound like a politician however, no, I agree we could potentially get away with someone who wasnt as strong at the back. I dont actually believe Fredericks was better at marking or tackling than Christie however, he was so fast, he could get back and cause problems for attackers if he made a mistake whereas Christie cant.
My point; I feel RB is currently our weakest position. Could we get away with using Christie? Who knows but it's definitely a possibility.
Should we look to improve, what is in my opinion our weakest position? Of course.
Thanks, well argued. I agree to an extent even though I believe that Christie is more than fine for this level, and think that defensively it is more important that we get the DM and CBs right.
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Tha was the definition and that is not what I think anyone is saying here. Christie was not resposible for all the ills of the team last season. Christie is being critisised for his playing. I can see like many others he has some ability and he certainly has pace but his defensive positioning is often very poor, his decision making extremely poor in knowing when to back off and when to commit, in possession going forward he retains possession way too long and generally makes the wrong choice of delivery at the wrong time (against Porto there was a very obvious error in the first half when he should have rolled and easy ball to the overlapping play but ignored, kept possesion for too long and then just lumped it into Mitro). This is not scapegoating which is a lazy term, the critical analysis is a judgement call based on seeing a player many of us feel needs an urgent upgrade.
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 19, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
To be fair, the idea that fans pay the wages of the players these days doesn't really hold much water.
I haven't seen the numbers lately but I'm pretty sure that match day revenue pails in comparison to TV and Advertising these days.
Clubs' TV and advertising revenues are still ultimately coming from "fans".
Perhaps in other contexts one could argue that fans are only people who go to matches regularly, but by "fans" in this context, we're clearly referring to a broad body of people encompassing all the people giving feedback on Christie's performances on social media, Friends of Fulham etc, many of whom won't go to games.
They're the same people who pay to have Sky so they can watch Fulham on TV, so they're still paying Christie's wages, one way or another.
Quote from: Statto on July 19, 2019, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 19, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
To be fair, the idea that fans pay the wages of the players these days doesn't really hold much water.
I haven't seen the numbers lately but I'm pretty sure that match day revenue pails in comparison to TV and Advertising these days.
Clubs' TV and advertising revenues are still ultimately coming from "fans".
Perhaps in other contexts one could argue that fans are only people who go to matches regularly, but by "fans" in this context, we're clearly referring to a broad body of people encompassing all the people giving feedback on Christie's performances on social media, Friends of Fulham etc, many of whom won't go to games.
They're the same people who pay to have Sky so they can watch Fulham on TV, so they're still paying Christie's wages, one way or another.
In one context, yes the fans will pay to watch Fulham on a match day or on the telly.
But Chutney's point was that we have the right to have a pop or demand more because we are fans and he earns a well paid living because of fans. Which isn't be case. Firstly because I'm sure Fulham fans make up a tiny tiny tiny portion of Sky's subscribers.. or any tv service provider for that matter.
Secondly, because the money doesn't really come from subscribers, is the advertisers. Which is driven by the amount of subscribers. Which is an indirect correlation surely?
If you want to feedback on Christie's game then that's part and parcel of it all and whether that's right or wrong is a slightly different argument. But you don't have any entitlement to an opinion because you pay money into the system.
You have entitlement to opinion because you live in the West (and a lot of places in the world) and thats a right, not because you pay into a system.
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 19, 2019, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 19, 2019, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 19, 2019, 12:50:16 PM
To be fair, the idea that fans pay the wages of the players these days doesn't really hold much water.
I haven't seen the numbers lately but I'm pretty sure that match day revenue pails in comparison to TV and Advertising these days.
Clubs' TV and advertising revenues are still ultimately coming from "fans".
Perhaps in other contexts one could argue that fans are only people who go to matches regularly, but by "fans" in this context, we're clearly referring to a broad body of people encompassing all the people giving feedback on Christie's performances on social media, Friends of Fulham etc, many of whom won't go to games.
They're the same people who pay to have Sky so they can watch Fulham on TV, so they're still paying Christie's wages, one way or another.
In one context, yes the fans will pay to watch Fulham on a match day or on the telly.
But Chutney's point was that we have the right to have a pop or demand more because we are fans and he earns a well paid living because of fans. Which isn't be case. Firstly because I'm sure Fulham fans make up a tiny tiny tiny portion of Sky's subscribers.. or any tv service provider for that matter.
Secondly, because the money doesn't really come from subscribers, is the advertisers. Which is driven by the amount of subscribers. Which is an indirect correlation surely?
If you want to feedback on Christie's game then that's part and parcel of it all and whether that's right or wrong is a slightly different argument. But you don't have any entitlement to an opinion because you pay money into the system.
Not really seeing where you're coming from to be honest.
We, the body of fans in the UK and abroad, buy the tickets when we go to games, buy the shirts and other merchandise, go to the bookies and bet on the results, buy Sky so we can watch games on TV, go to the pubs that in turn pay for Sky and permission to broadcast it to their patrons, drink their beer, and we're the targets of the advertising for gambling, newer etc around the pitch, on the players' shirts, on the website, on the tele and everywhere else. It seems pretty clear and inescapable to me that the whole industry exists purely to advertise and sell us football and associated products through various channels, and we fund and drive all that.
Yes Fulham fans are a small portion of Sky's subscribers but the money Sky pays Fulham is a proportionately small portion of their total revenue from televised football. And more relevantly, Cyrus Christie is a very small portion, just one, of the many hundreds of players they cover.
Opinions on players are inevitably subjective. We all have our own views as to the merits, or otherwise, of certain players. On a website such as this it is perfectly reasonable to express our comments providing they are based on the performance on the field rather than turning into personal attacks.
My own view is that right back is our weakest position. Unlike many others I am a bit of a fan of Odoi in the middle. If the rest of the team had shown as much fight and desire last season as he did we might not have gone down. Christie is no doubt a decent hardworking player but he is not, in my opinion, good enough to hold down a place at right back. Ray Smith compared his performances with those of Fred Callaghan or Moritz Volz. It's difficult to compare players with those long ago but my memories of Moritz Volz were that he was a real premier division full back and a bit of a cult hero. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see Christie becoming either.
Said it before, but please advise of what match he struggled defensively other than Arsenal at home when he was forced into a new wingback role.
He needs to work on his crossing with his right foot. It's just that simple for me. Defensively, I think he will be fine because I genuinely can't recall a match where he struggled so terribly as the comments seem to suggest.
Good enough in the league we find ourselves in ... no more than that !
With Knockaert, we need at least one centre back and I would call that it until January!
Cyrus seems a good lad he was back in the news in the local press of his original club Coventry today as the club fans have been running an appeal to fund down on there luck cov fans who can't afford S/Ts and raising funds to get them S/Ts and Cyrus paid for one for lucky recipient that can't afford a ticket a great gesture by Cyrus.
Quote from: Matt10 on July 19, 2019, 07:34:10 PM
Said it before, but please advise of what match he struggled defensively other than Arsenal at home when he was forced into a new wingback role.
He needs to work on his crossing with his right foot. It's just that simple for me. Defensively, I think he will be fine because I genuinely can't recall a match where he struggled so terribly as the comments seem to suggest.
I'll be frank, I wasn't impressed with a single defensive performance.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 19, 2019, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 19, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
I don't like it, but I understand scapegoating a player that comes on a huge salary as first team player. But, Christie was never meant to be a premier league first team right back, he was the backup behind TFM and Chambers when we failed to get Montana. He was in the team because he was a decent backup nothing more and the season first choice right backs were worse. To make matters worse, the poor guy had a backup inside him with Odoi and in front of him Schullre had decided he was an attacker only.
Again, regular constructive criticiser of Christie last year but I made this point too. It's really not his fault that to myself and others, he wasn't up to the task of being an EPL full back. That doesn't warrant abuse BUT that doesn't warrant unquestionable support, devoid of criticism.
I'll repeat this again, personally, I'd like a better RB but if he starts the season for us, does amazing and supersedes all expectations, awesome. BUT if he doesn't play well, hold his place or just looks out of sorts in one of the best (on paper) championship teams, you can betcha dollar i'll be here saying I still don't rate him and think we should of bettered the last two windows, not just this current one.
Long story short, not a scapegoat, not unwarranted criticism, don't be abusive in criticism and support him when he puts on the shirt.
We simply cannot afford a better right back without selling someone, selling Christie for £3m so TK can a £3m right back would be a downgrade (our DoF skill is not trading players, his skill is getting fresh investment into FFC for new players). Selling both McDonald and Christie to buy a Right Back would result in a better First XI, but do you really want Cisse our only midfield back up.
Other than one or two teams, most of the top teams have a right back if a similar standard to Christie, but we have a lot of good players in other positions (including McDonald, Cisse, Johansen and Anguissa fighting for two spot). We have an average right back, to fix that we have to sell players to raise money and weaken another position (for example sell Ryan Sessegnon and weaken the left wing).
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 20, 2019, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on July 19, 2019, 07:34:10 PM
Said it before, but please advise of what match he struggled defensively other than Arsenal at home when he was forced into a new wingback role.
He needs to work on his crossing with his right foot. It's just that simple for me. Defensively, I think he will be fine because I genuinely can't recall a match where he struggled so terribly as the comments seem to suggest.
I'll be frank, I wasn't impressed with a single defensive performance.
That's fine. Not trying to convince anyone. I just like to analyze what matches some would say he played poorly in. Not saying Christie is my first choice either. However, statements made without support always piques my curiosity.
So the team at whoscored rated Christie a 7.0+ value eight total times last season. That's the highest on the team. In addition, he scored the highest overall at a 7.78 for all defenders, which happened vs Southampton, the highest among all defenders this season. He also scored a 7.62 vs Cardiff away, and a 7.43 vs Wolves away.
Other defenders who received 7.0+
LeMarchand - 7x
Bryan - 7x
Odoi - 6x
Ream - 3x
Mawson - 1x
TFM - 1x
On the other side of the coin, Christie's worst performance was a 5.76 vs Newcastle at home and a 5.98 away to Crystal Palace. I would agree with both because I recall his crossing was terrible in both matches, and he only played under 65 minutes, so no room to make up that score. In the match that seemed to have triggered all FFC faithful was the Arsenal home match. To my surprise, he was scored at a 6.74, and this was for 90 minutes.
For 90 minutes, the worst score he put in was a 6.1 away to Chelsea, with Crystal Palace at home (first match of the season) at a 6.16.
So, I've analyzed the Chelsea match, keeping in mind this is Ranieri's second match in charge, and a new system is in full effect. Ranieri sets us up in a 4-4-1 with the wingers such as Sess and Johansen to not drop back as far. Christie is isolated a lot of the times because Alonso stays high with Hazard, and Giroud starts to overloading that side. Eventually CR realizes this and forces Sess or Chambers to drop back. In the second half he switches to a 4-2-3-1 and AK comes in for Sess, making sure that Christie is no longer put in the position to be isolated. However, the constant overloading on the ball side makes our defence very narrow, so Alonso just stays high up the pitch, prepared to collect accurate cross long balls.
Anyway, here is how I analzye matches on a +/- tally. This is what I used to do when scouting for college players later down the road.
Minutes 1-30+ 1 shot on goal, saved.
- 1 bad cross, doesn't get past first defender.
- 1 bad long ball over the top, too far.
- Completely isolated due to CR's overload ball-side tactics, leaving Christie to fend for himself vs Alonso and Hazard. This is finally lessened when Sessegnon drops back instead of Chambers.
+ Two defensive headers away, including a good read on a one-two pass.
+ Stands up Hazard twice.
(6 total | 1 offensive positive, 1 defensive positive || 2 offensive negative, 1 defensive negative)
Minutes 30-45- Gets too tight on Alonso up the pitch (CR's high press tactic), results in being out of position in transition, and finds himself in the centre of the pitch, bad square pass, Chelsea counter.
- During the counter, Christie recovers defensive line shape, but is so narrow, he's playing CB. Doesn't see Giroud in time, and thankfully he misses from close range.
+ Blocks shot from Hazard after a Chelsea corner, which puts Mawson and Christie in CB roles essentially. GJ thinks it's Mawson's block, but it's clearly Christie's outstretched yellow boots.
+ Christie gets stuck in on a tackle on Alonso, perfectly timed.
+ Defends Hazard again, forces him inside and into the overloaded traffic.
- Bad decision in which he could intercept a pass at the top of the box but tries to lift it over a sliding Giroud, who ends up gaining possession. We defend and clear out.
(6 total | 3 defensive positive || 2 offensive negative, 1 defensive negative)
Minutes 45-75- First crossing chance, hits the back of the defender in front of him.
- Christie ends up well advanced, AK plays him, cross is low but not at the highest pace, gets deflected away.
+ Good positioning on Hazard, able to clear the ball off the Belgian.
- Forward pass to Hazard allows Giroud to cut across the defensive line onto Christie's side, and Christie's unaware here, ball is too hard and high, resulting in our throw.
- Makes another good interception, but it's his square pass that is poor again - and intercepted, eventually he fouls Kante to set up a free kick for Chelsea.
- A bit too aggressive on Hazard, and clumsily fouls him.
- A good read to interecept and clear the ball, but he kicks it with his right foot, and loops into our own box, allowing Pedro to shoot on frame, Rico saves.
- In advanced position, poor pass off the throw in to Chambers.
(8 total | 1 defensive positive || 5 offensive negative, 2 defensive negative)
Minutes 75-90- Yet another chance for Christie to cross, he can take it early with Mitro making a great run. Unfortunately, the cross is so poor and high, over everyone.
- Playing very narrow in transition, manages to intercept a pass, but yet again, his attempt at a square pass is intercepted.
- Christie's caught up field, and has to recover vs Hazard. Fouls him, about 25 yards out.
+ Some minutes after we concede, Chelsea take a free kick quickly and Chambers deflects the ball into the path of RLC, who's shot is blocked by Christie.
+ Left footed cross somehow reaches Mitro's head. Imagine that.
- Right footed cross is blocked by RLC. Poor again.
+ Cuts inside, and left footed shot is blocked.
(7 total | 2 offensive positive, 1 defensive positive || 3 offensive negative, 1 defensive negative)
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Final tally(27 total | 7 offensive positive, 9 defensive positive || 12 offensive negative, 5 defensive negative)
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Understood to be a small sample size, but this does support the theme that I have been addressing. He needs to improve his crossing with his right foot...
Sources:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/134111/Fixtures/Cyrus-Christie
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2018/december/03/chelsea-90-mins
Quote from: Matt10 on July 20, 2019, 05:23:31 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 20, 2019, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on July 19, 2019, 07:34:10 PM
Said it before, but please advise of what match he struggled defensively other than Arsenal at home when he was forced into a new wingback role.
He needs to work on his crossing with his right foot. It's just that simple for me. Defensively, I think he will be fine because I genuinely can't recall a match where he struggled so terribly as the comments seem to suggest.
I'll be frank, I wasn't impressed with a single defensive performance.
That's fine. Not trying to convince anyone. I just like to analyze what matches some would say he played poorly in. Not saying Christie is my first choice either. However, statements made without support always piques my curiosity.
So the team at whoscored rated Christie a 7.0+ value eight total times last season. That's the highest on the team. In addition, he scored the highest overall at a 7.78 for all defenders, which happened vs Southampton, the highest among all defenders this season. He also scored a 7.62 vs Cardiff away, and a 7.43 vs Wolves away.
Other defenders who received 7.0+
LeMarchand - 7x
Bryan - 7x
Odoi - 6x
Ream - 3x
Mawson - 1x
TFM - 1x
On the other side of the coin, Christie's worst performance was a 5.76 vs Newcastle at home and a 5.98 away to Crystal Palace. I would agree with both because I recall his crossing was terrible in both matches, and he only played under 65 minutes, so no room to make up that score. In the match that seemed to have triggered all FFC faithful was the Arsenal home match. To my surprise, he was scored at a 6.74, and this was for 90 minutes.
For 90 minutes, the worst score he put in was a 6.1 away to Chelsea, with Crystal Palace at home (first match of the season) at a 6.16.
So, I've analyzed the Chelsea match, keeping in mind this is Ranieri's second match in charge, and a new system is in full effect. Ranieri sets us up in a 4-4-1 with the wingers such as Sess and Johansen to not drop back as far. Christie is isolated a lot of the times because Alonso stays high with Hazard, and Giroud starts to overloading that side. Eventually CR realizes this and forces Sess or Chambers to drop back. In the second half he switches to a 4-2-3-1 and AK comes in for Sess, making sure that Christie is no longer put in the position to be isolated. However, the constant overloading on the ball side makes our defence very narrow, so Alonso just stays high up the pitch, prepared to collect accurate cross long balls.
Anyway, here is how I analzye matches on a +/- tally. This is what I used to do when scouting for college players later down the road.
Minutes 1-30
+ 1 shot on goal, saved.
- 1 bad cross, doesn't get past first defender.
- 1 bad long ball over the top, too far.
- Completely isolated due to CR's overload ball-side tactics, leaving Christie to fend for himself vs Alonso and Hazard. This is finally lessened when Sessegnon drops back instead of Chambers.
+ Two defensive headers away, including a good read on a one-two pass.
+ Stands up Hazard twice.
(6 total | 1 offensive positive, 1 defensive positive || 2 offensive negative, 1 defensive negative)
Minutes 30-45
- Gets too tight on Alonso up the pitch (CR's high press tactic), results in being out of position in transition, and finds himself in the centre of the pitch, bad square pass, Chelsea counter.
- During the counter, Christie recovers defensive line shape, but is so narrow, he's playing CB. Doesn't see Giroud in time, and thankfully he misses from close range.
+ Blocks shot from Hazard after a Chelsea corner, which puts Mawson and Christie in CB roles essentially. GJ thinks it's Mawson's block, but it's clearly Christie's outstretched yellow boots.
+ Christie gets stuck in on a tackle on Alonso, perfectly timed.
+ Defends Hazard again, forces him inside and into the overloaded traffic.
- Bad decision in which he could intercept a pass at the top of the box but tries to lift it over a sliding Giroud, who ends up gaining possession. We defend and clear out.
(6 total | 3 defensive positive || 2 offensive negative, 1 defensive negative)
Minutes 45-75
- First crossing chance, hits the back of the defender in front of him.
- Christie ends up well advanced, AK plays him, cross is low but not at the highest pace, gets deflected away.
+ Good positioning on Hazard, able to clear the ball off the Belgian.
- Forward pass to Hazard allows Giroud to cut across the defensive line onto Christie's side, and Christie's unaware here, ball is too hard and high, resulting in our throw.
- Makes another good interception, but it's his square pass that is poor again - and intercepted, eventually he fouls Kante to set up a free kick for Chelsea.
- A bit too aggressive on Hazard, and clumsily fouls him.
- A good read to interecept and clear the ball, but he kicks it with his right foot, and loops into our own box, allowing Pedro to shoot on frame, Rico saves.
- In advanced position, poor pass off the throw in to Chambers.
(8 total | 1 defensive positive || 5 offensive negative, 2 defensive negative)
Minutes 75-90
- Yet another chance for Christie to cross, he can take it early with Mitro making a great run. Unfortunately, the cross is so poor and high, over everyone.
- Playing very narrow in transition, manages to intercept a pass, but yet again, his attempt at a square pass is intercepted.
- Christie's caught up field, and has to recover vs Hazard. Fouls him, about 25 yards out.
+ Some minutes after we concede, Chelsea take a free kick quickly and Chambers deflects the ball into the path of RLC, who's shot is blocked by Christie.
+ Left footed cross somehow reaches Mitro's head. Imagine that.
- Right footed cross is blocked by RLC. Poor again.
+ Cuts inside, and left footed shot is blocked.
(7 total | 2 offensive positive, 1 defensive positive || 3 offensive negative, 1 defensive negative)
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Final tally
(27 total | 7 offensive positive, 9 defensive positive || 12 offensive negative, 5 defensive negative)
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Understood to be a small sample size, but this does support the theme that I have been addressing. He needs to improve his crossing with his right foot...
Sources:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/134111/Fixtures/Cyrus-Christie
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2018/december/03/chelsea-90-mins
Great Analysis, I wish we focused on first preventing the squad getting significantly weaker than last season, before we get upgrades.
Last season, our two biggest downgrades were at a) right back (losing Fredericks) and b) left back (losing Taggett).
Next season, our two biggest downgrades will losing right winger (Sessegnon) and left winger (Babel).
Nobody been able to answer my question of 2 days ago then,name a better rb in the Championship.
Obviously there isn't then?..😵
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 20, 2019, 06:46:57 AM
Nobody been able to answer my question of 2 days ago then,name a better rb in the Championship.
Obviously there isn't then?..😵
The list isn't long or existent put it that way. That doesn't mean Christie doesn't need to step up or could be replaced by better though. I'm changed my view recently from a must buy to, lets see how he starts and if surplus to requirement, let youth play till January.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 20, 2019, 06:46:57 AM
Nobody been able to answer my question of 2 days ago then,name a better rb in the Championship.
Obviously there isn't then?..😵
I can't name another RB in the Championship let alone a better one ! IMO he'll do at this level
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 20, 2019, 06:46:57 AM
Nobody been able to answer my question of 2 days ago then,name a better rb in the Championship.
Obviously there isn't then?..😵
Here's a list of each clubs current best RB
Cardiff: Peltier
Fulham: Christie
Huddersfield: Hadergjonaj
Leeds: Ayling
West Brom: Nyom
Derby: Bogle
Middlesbrough: Shotton
Bristol: Hunt
Forest: Darikwa
Swansea: Naughton
Brentford: Dalsgaard
Wednesday: Odubajo
Hull: Lichaj
Preston: Fisher
Blackburn: Nyambe
Stoke: Smith
Birmingham: Colin
Wigan: Byrne
QPR: Furlong
Reading: Yiadom
Millwall: Romeo
Luton: Cranie
Barnsley: Cavare
Charlton: Solly
There may be a few, but not many are better than Christie.
