Does anyone know when Zambo Anguissa ,Ibra Cisse and Marcelo Djalo will be back training? More for team bonding, seeing who's going out on loan and even just to give everyone in and around the team a chance under Scott.
Cisses Guinea got to the round of 16 whereas Djalo played in 2 of Guinea bisseaus matches.
Zambos last game was on 6th July. Not sure if anyone knows rest period or time off usually given?
I thought I heard 3 weeks and a couple of days. Djola, Cisse and Anguissa were all playing in August so it maybe a while yet. I suspect Parker is playing to start the season with McDonald, Johansen and Cairney in the starting XI, so that Anguissa can gradually find his way into the league from the bench. McDonald and Johansen know that a another 23 games unbeaten run is the best way to keep their spots in the starting XI and little else with Anguissa waiting for a chance.
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
From the Liverpool match in mid-March till the end of the season, Parker started Anguissa and kept him on for almost the full 90 minutes in every game. If, as suggested, Anguissa has had a good Afcon tournament, surely he'd slot straight back into the team under the same manager where he left off from last season?
Quote from: GJB on July 21, 2019, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
From the Liverpool match in mid-March till the end of the season, Parker started Anguissa and kept him on for almost the full 90 minutes in every game. If, as suggested, Anguissa has had a good Afcon tournament, surely he'd slot straight back into the team under the same manager where he left off from last season?
Zambo may have started many games but did he ever finish them with a full 90 minutes, and that needs to be addressed.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 21, 2019, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
From the Liverpool match in mid-March till the end of the season, Parker started Anguissa and kept him on for almost the full 90 minutes in every game. If, as suggested, Anguissa has had a good Afcon tournament, surely he'd slot straight back into the team under the same manager where he left off from last season?
Zambo may have started many games but did he ever finish them with a full 90 minutes, and that needs to be addressed.
He did - again, from Liverpool in mid-March till the end of the season, out of the possible 720 minutes in those 8 matches, he played 716 of those minutes.
I think Parker likes him.
He fitted well into midfield with Cairney getting more attacking play in front of him in the games later in the season.
It seemed that Parker saw a way to play Anguissa that none of the previous managers could work out.
Go figure....
Quote from: Skatzoffc on July 21, 2019, 11:50:33 AM
I think Parker likes him.
He fitted well into midfield with Cairney getting more attacking play in front of him in the games later in the season.
It seemed that Parker saw a way to play Anguissa that none of the previous managers could work out.
Go figure....
I agree that Parker appears to like him - i imagine, once Anguissa has had his break from the Afcon, we'll either see a 4-2-3-1 with Anguissa and Kmac in the two, and Cairney, Cavaleiro and Knockaert in the three, or a 4-3-3 with Cairney moving back into the three alongside Kmac and Anguissa.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 21, 2019, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
From the Liverpool match in mid-March till the end of the season, Parker started Anguissa and kept him on for almost the full 90 minutes in every game. If, as suggested, Anguissa has had a good Afcon tournament, surely he'd slot straight back into the team under the same manager where he left off from last season?
Zambo may have started many games but did he ever finish them with a full 90 minutes, and that needs to be addressed.
Agree to disagree with all your critiques of Zambo except for one. Work rate. If you fix that no one complains about desire, application and commitment because...well, you don't have a player looking like he's tired on the pitch (both mentally and physically)
As stated...Parker rates him. And I think his problems of last year can be addressed by the coaching staff.
1. Conditioning. He played decent up until the first 50 minutes of the games he started...then he fell off a cliff making poor passes, not tracking back..holding onto the ball too long. A box to box midfielder can't get tired, and Andre got tired a lot. Which leads to #2...
2. Playing out of position. He's not a holding mid. He's a box to box. Chambers was much better at the role than Anguissa.
Zambo's injury also slowed his development.
We'll see I guess. Personally I think he's better than both MacDonald and Stefjo, so it's a guarantee he starts.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 21, 2019, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
From the Liverpool match in mid-March till the end of the season, Parker started Anguissa and kept him on for almost the full 90 minutes in every game. If, as suggested, Anguissa has had a good Afcon tournament, surely he'd slot straight back into the team under the same manager where he left off from last season?
Zambo may have started many games but did he ever finish them with a full 90 minutes, and that needs to be addressed.
My bet is we are playing 4-3-3 this season with KMac, Anguissa, Johasen and Cairney being our four main central midfielders. Combined our central midfielders must play an enormous 12,420 minutes, even if Cairney plays 4,000 minutes the other three still need to average 2,806 minutes each (32 games each). It makes sense for the trio (KMac, Stefjo and Cairney) play the first few games with Anguissa on the bench, and if they are suceeding Anguissa will have to wait for his opportunity (the longer the better).
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 21, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
Anguissa should be aiming to finish his championship with nothing less than a promotion and player of the season.
I still hope we play KMac and Stefjo until the transfer window is closed, because we need four in-form central midfielders for a marathon season.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 21, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
My thoughts exactly. I hope we can hold onto him
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
Just a load of old nonsense platitudes.
Come to the conclusion you dont go to watch games.
Was nice to see the following posts from people with facts and really thought out views. I think you're more suited to your regular slagging off of the Khans (I see you got your regular stats dig in) and comedic posts on garden structures.
I'll keep an eye on Zambo and (hopefully playing for us) see how his playing pans out.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on July 21, 2019, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
Just a load of old nonsense platitudes.
Come to the conclusion you dont go to watch games.
Was nice to see the following posts from people with facts and really thought out views. I think you're more suited to your regular slagging off of the Khans (I see you got your regular stats dig in) and comedic posts on garden structures.
I'll keep an eye on Zambo and (hopefully playing for us) see how his playing pans out.
Nurse nurse Billy no mates is out of bed again. Does this rag smell of chloroform to you.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 21, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 21, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
Anguissa should be aiming to finish his championship with nothing less than a promotion and player of the season.
I still hope we play KMac and Stefjo until the transfer window is closed, because we need four in-form central midfielders for a marathon season.
I would even say that we need 5, in addition to the youngsters. Feeling convinced that Cisse will leave and that another CM will join in the next couple of weeks.
Anguissa was perhaps the biggest disappointment of all the big money buys we made last summer but at the tail end of the season he had a few games under Parker and his talents began to show. Hope he stays for this season, continues to improve and provides the midfield options we need.
Quote from: mlangstrom on July 21, 2019, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 21, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 21, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
Anguissa should be aiming to finish his championship with nothing less than a promotion and player of the season.
I still hope we play KMac and Stefjo until the transfer window is closed, because we need four in-form central midfielders for a marathon season.
I would even say that we need 5, in addition to the youngsters. Feeling convinced that Cisse will leave and that another CM will join in the next couple of weeks.
We have had enough players leave this season, besides Cisse is using less than 1% of the wage bill, he is very good value at that price. Keep Him!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 21, 2019, 03:25:31 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on July 21, 2019, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 21, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 21, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
Anguissa should be aiming to finish his championship with nothing less than a promotion and player of the season.
I still hope we play KMac and Stefjo until the transfer window is closed, because we need four in-form central midfielders for a marathon season.
I would even say that we need 5, in addition to the youngsters. Feeling convinced that Cisse will leave and that another CM will join in the next couple of weeks.
We have had enough players leave this season, besides Cisse is using less than 1% of the wage bill, he is very good value at that price. Keep Him!
I have to agree about Cisse, he is good value, and he can do a job, so I hope he stays.
Someone on Fulham Web claiming Zambo wants to stay. Good news if true & straight into the starting 11 for me.
I hope and expect players like Cisse and Djalo do stay, even for selfish reasons that it allows players like Harris, Edun and O Riley to get out on loan. We have a group of players who may not set the world alight but can be good squad players . Cisse came in out of the cold last season in a league above the league he was bought for and done well.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 21, 2019, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 21, 2019, 11:35:46 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 21, 2019, 11:19:35 AM
I wouldn't bank on Zambo being a regular, unless he shows more Hunger, Desire, Appetite, Application, Work rate, and Commitment, and he is willing to play within the framework of the team, as well as punching his weight. Then maybe he will become a regular first choice, and I hope he does, but it's far from nailed on. Football in reality is not the picture stats paint.
From the Liverpool match in mid-March till the end of the season, Parker started Anguissa and kept him on for almost the full 90 minutes in every game. If, as suggested, Anguissa has had a good Afcon tournament, surely he'd slot straight back into the team under the same manager where he left off from last season?
Zambo may have started many games but did he ever finish them with a full 90 minutes, and that needs to be addressed.
Agree to disagree with all your critiques of Zambo except for one. Work rate. If you fix that no one complains about desire, application and commitment because...well, you don't have a player looking like he's tired on the pitch (both mentally and physically)
As stated...Parker rates him. And I think his problems of last year can be addressed by the coaching staff.
1. Conditioning. He played decent up until the first 50 minutes of the games he started...then he fell off a cliff making poor passes, not tracking back..holding onto the ball too long. A box to box midfielder can't get tired, and Andre got tired a lot. Which leads to #2...
2. Playing out of position. He's not a holding mid. He's a box to box. Chambers was much better at the role than Anguissa.
Zambo's injury also slowed his development.
We'll see I guess. Personally I think he's better than both MacDonald and Stefjo, so it's a guarantee he starts.
I think Anguissa is the potential the best midfielder we have and much better than KMac or Stefjo, but I don't think he should start the first game.
Firstly, we need at least four midfielders rotating this season, as I don't see any of them (Anguissa, KMac, StefJo and Cairney) playing 4,000 miunutes. The rotation of KMac, Stefjo and Cairney seems like the logically first rotation, but the rotations should be planned carefully throughout season also to reduce injuries.
Secondly, Anguissa has never done well in the first half of the season of a new league and Championship is quite different to Premier League. I see no reason to risk Anguissa in a game against Barnsley when we know KMac, StefJo and Cairney with a fit team around them should get three points.
Thirdly, I disagree about his ideal position, to me it is still very confusing, because Bielsa saw him as a sole DM but he has never played there so it may just take time to adjust to that position, best to come on for Stefjo some games and KMac other games getting comfortable with both positions.
Fourthly, I am really unsure who is the better partner for Anguissa out of Stefjo or KMac, playing as subs helps establish that and reestablish the Stefjo and KMac connection which maybe required throughout the season frequently in tougher games than Barnsley. I feel Anguissa and KMac will be best if our defense has few injuiries as it provides more cover; where as if Mitrovoic was injured Anguissa and Stefjo seem a better combination due to improved mobility.
Fifth, KMac and StefJo look like they could benefit from game time early in the season and Anguissa looks concentrating on fitness, learning the league and learning sole DM maybe most useful. Anguissa missing preseason means we should be most careful with him not getting an injury the early part of the season.
Lastly, Anguissa would make an incredible sub with one of KMac and Stefjo killing themselves each game chasing balls in the first 60 minutes. Somehow I think that KMac, StefJo and Cairney would be our best combination to beat Barnsley and Blackburn; but feel Anguissa's extra quality is more useful against later games like Cardiff and WBA.
Cisse always seemed a decent player whenever he was called on.
Djalo could also play a role.
I suppose it depends on squad numbers, with some going on loan. We seems a strong squad for the Championship though.
Quote from: mlangstrom on July 21, 2019, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 21, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 21, 2019, 12:24:05 PM
I actually think Anguissa will be immense in the league and think he's way too good for the Championship. It can take a while for players to get used to English football for the first time. I genuinely think he will be in the Champ Team of the Season.
Anguissa should be aiming to finish his championship with nothing less than a promotion and player of the season.
I still hope we play KMac and Stefjo until the transfer window is closed, because we need four in-form central midfielders for a marathon season.
I would even say that we need 5, in addition to the youngsters. Feeling convinced that Cisse will leave and that another CM will join in the next couple of weeks.
It seems the deal we got for Seri is pretty similar to that we took for Knockaert. I'm really not sure that Seri wouldn't help us more than Knockaert long-term. Seri offers us midfield cover and Cairney can offer right wing cover when required. I guess Kebano may have to cover Cairney if others are unavailable. We have a stronger attack now, but midfield depth is poorer.
