Couldnt write it hahaah. Season over. Now we need two CB in a week
Here we go again
That is truly awful news. Gotta feel for him. not sure what incident caused it but how did this guy pass a medical? Now we REALLY need Ream to find that POTS form AND bring in at least 1 first-team CB as this does not sound good at all
On the contrary. I'd say when you sign a player recovering from a knee op, you could indeed "make up" or foresee an increased probability of them suffering future injuries
Quote from: Statto on July 27, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
On the contrary. I'd say when you sign a player recovering from a knee op, you could indeed "make up" or foresee an increased probability of them suffering future injuries
I'm sure there will be some to say it doesnt matter and we will still walk the league
This is a classic example of you never know what's round the corner. Mawson injured is the last thing the club needs.
That is why we have to cover for every eventuality, which is something that still needs to be addressed, the puzzle has still got a lot of pieces to fit. It SHOULD be a busy week for incomings, shouldn't it ?
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 27, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
This is a classic example of you never know what's round the corner. Mawson injured is the last thing the club needs.
That is why we have to cover for every eventuality, which is something that still needs to be addressed, the puzzle has still got a lot of pieces to fit. It SHOULD be a busy week for incomings, shouldn't it ?
Let's hope so. We should have been looking at potential starting CB's anyway, now it's more important than ever.
I make it CDM, CB, RB as absolute essentials, a player who can push our CM's and a backup striker better than Fonte. So 5 signings. If past end of windows are anything to go by that's not impossible. We'll see what can be pulled out within FFP. Sess money certainly needed now.
Possibly need 2 centre backs now
Someone on twitter said he hobbled off with what looks a bad injury
GK too. Betts isn't good enough.
Now Johannsen has done his knee too
Quote from: jayffc on July 27, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 27, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
This is a classic example of you never know what's round the corner. Mawson injured is the last thing the club needs.
That is why we have to cover for every eventuality, which is something that still needs to be addressed, the puzzle has still got a lot of pieces to fit. It SHOULD be a busy week for incomings, shouldn't it ?
Let's hope so. We should have been looking at potential starting CB's anyway, now it's more important than ever.
I make it CDM, CB, RB as absolute essentials, a player who can push our CM's and a backup striker better than Fonte. So 5 signings. If past end of windows are anything to go by that's not impossible. We'll see what can be pulled out within FFP. Sess money certainly needed now.
Agreed, we need all those positions you suggest. Let's hope there are a few irons in the fire.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 27, 2019, 04:45:56 PM
Now Johannsen has done his knee too
Not sure it was his knee, think it was foot when he tried to trip up a West Ham player.
Quote from: Statto on July 27, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
On the contrary. I'd say when you sign a player recovering from a knee op, you could indeed "make up" or foresee an increased probability of them suffering future injuries
Totally agree!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 27, 2019, 05:53:31 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 27, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
On the contrary. I'd say when you sign a player recovering from a knee op, you could indeed "make up" or foresee an increased probability of them suffering future injuries
Totally agree!
Exactly
Quote from: junior white on July 27, 2019, 04:42:43 PM
Someone on twitter said he hobbled off with what looks a bad injury
He looked distraught and almost in tears!
Don't think he did it in a tackle, just twisted awkwardly and went to ground.
Really feel for Alfie, he appears to have lost a couple of stone & was ready for a full season. Looked as though he was in real pain.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 27, 2019, 04:45:56 PM
Now Johannsen has done his knee too
Johansen suffered a shin contact injury and will be fit for next week. Mawson is headed for another scan and you do not need me to expand on that.
If Mawson has had a reoccurrence of the same knee problem he has confirmed what a pointless signing he really was.
The only plus point is that hopefully TK will have learned from this debacle.
Quote from: Luka on July 27, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
If Mawson has had a reoccurrence of the same knee problem he has confirmed what a pointless signing he really was.
The only plus point is that hopefully TK will have learned from this debacle.
The sad thing is, if it is, its probably the end of his career at this level
It's always sad for the player that is injured. Knees are never good and they take a long time to repair. Hopefully we can pick up a centre half in the next couple of weeks but we will be ready to go next week whoever we put out coyw let's hit the ground running
Yeah it's a great shame. Hope it isnt too bad. Must be super frustrating for him. I thought he'd be great for us this year.
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
There was always going to be an injury during pre-season, or at the least in the first few weeks of the season? The question is have we got the depth with the youth players to provide the backup
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Which sixteen teams do you think are "nailed on" better than us this season?
I'm unsure how the West Ham highlights portrayed him, but from what I saw at the Cottage today Bryan made crucial tackles, looked comfortable in defence and he made Anderson look very average. He's the least of our worries at the back this season.
"I feel sorry for the lad, not his fault our DOF is arrogant, negligent, useless" - Are you trying to suggest here Tony Khan caused Mawson's injury today, which is why you're sorry? Or that people are blaming Mawson stating it's his fault for Tony Khan's decision-making as DOF, which is why you feel sorry??
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Thank you Dr Algo1!
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
Quote from: GJB on July 27, 2019, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Which sixteen teams do you think are "nailed on" better than us this season?
I'm unsure how the West Ham highlights portrayed him, but from what I saw at the Cottage today Bryan made crucial tackles, looked comfortable in defence and he made Anderson look very average. He's the least of our worries at the back this season.
"I feel sorry for the lad, not his fault our DOF is arrogant, negligent, useless" - Are you trying to suggest here Tony Khan caused Mawson's injury today, which is why you're sorry? Or that people are blaming Mawson stating it's his fault for Tony Khan's decision-making as DOF, which is why you feel sorry??
we signed mawsom when he was already injured and it was obvious he would remain so especially the boot lace incident confirmed that.
we are poor bottom 8 is most likely as we have no defence.
bryan? he was poor in the highlits displaying all the weakness he showed last season when defending. he gets caught in no mans land endlessly and cannot decided whether to close or back off consequently does neither. If you say he did ok because younwere at the game I have to believe you, the bits I saw were not like that.
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on July 27, 2019, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Thank you Dr Algo1!
thank you but I do stress I am just appying years of experience. when you sign an apparently top player, beating off top opposition, but the player is already crocked, he usually remains so. it is experience. I wuld love for him to be healthy but he is unlikely so to be this season.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:21:39 AM
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
How is it childish to suggest that a player who had a serious injury, in a position we desperately needed upgrading at the time, was the solution when subsequently, we have hindsight to say he wasn't a success last season as when he did play, he looked out of his depth (Watford is a good example), then was injured for large parts of it, and now this season, he might not kick a ball or at best, be back after a lengthy spell? Personally, I like Mawson and had huge hopes for him this year but come on man, we can't currently suggest its in any way shape or form, right now, a decent return on investment or a success. It's turned out to be a poor recruitment, but thats fine, it happens....sadly, our 100m investment has barely transferred into this seasons squad and thats a serious issue for us.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:21:39 AM
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
I hate to disagree. there was no bad luck in this. mawsom was clearly injured when we got and yet still pursued the venture. we have repeated this error a numer of times. Our medical team is either 10th rate, and it may be, or TK just overukes them because he believes the player will recover, which he is very unlikely too. maybe it was all a scare and he will make a spectacular recovery but I do not expect him to play 10 full games this season. i wish it were otherwise. And for your information I do happen to know better because I use my eyes and my experience and my knowledge to properly asses the situation. TK has proven himself to be nxt to useless becase he is to arrogant to learn.
whilst a pre season friendly deeat does not bother me, the manner of losing is a concern. unless we get a new defence that is fit, quick and committed quickly we will be bottom 8 for sure.
certainly hope we do not get to deadline day and bring in loads more panic dross! I am staggered there are people defending the blantantly obvious
Poor fellow hope he's ok soon.poo happens and this could have happened during the season. Don't you think they plan for this?The blessing in disguise is that it has happened early,before the window shuts. I will be totally surprised if we don't get people in to fill positions that need addressing. There are people on here that want us to fail so there TK agenda is valid.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 12:33:44 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:21:39 AM
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
I hate to disagree. there was no bad luck in this. mawsom was clearly injured when we got and yet still pursued the venture. we have repeated this error a numer of times. Our medical team is either 10th rate, and it may be, or TK just overukes them because he believes the player will recover, which he is very unlikely too. maybe it was all a scare and he will make a spectacular recovery but I do not expect him to play 10 full games this season. i wish it were otherwise. And for your information I do happen to know better because I use my eyes and my experience and my knowledge to properly asses the situation. TK has proven himself to be nxt to useless becase he is to arrogant to learn.
whilst a pre season friendly deeat does not bother me, the manner of losing is a concern. unless we get a new defence that is fit, quick and committed quickly we will be bottom 8 for sure. certainly hope we do not get to deadline day and bring in loads more panic dross! I am staggered there are people defending the blantantly obvious
Everyone knows that Mawson was recovering from an injury. What other injured players that stayed injured have we acquired under TK? Nordveit?
You state that either our medical team is 10th rate, or that TK disregards them, but then also states that both are unlikely (or that is how I read it, but not entirely clear). What is your guess, is it the medical team or TK?
I am also sorry to have to disagree with you, but your "eyes" and "experience" adds nothing to your post unless you actually have any actual knowledge or real experience with situations such as this (which I assume you would have been happy to share would you have any). I can also claim to know better than other people, but that doesn't make it true. Plenty of players have recovered from various injuries (even knee injuries) and gone on to play successfully for many years afterwards.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on July 28, 2019, 12:46:23 AM
Poor fellow hope he's ok soon.poo happens and this could have happened during the season. Don't you think they plan for this?The blessing in disguise is that it has happened early,before the window shuts. I will be totally surprised if we don't get people in to fill positions that need addressing. There are people on here that want us to fail so there TK agenda is valid.
Quite the contrary. Most TK haters want him to succeed for the good of Fulham so they don't have something to moan about. (or something else to moan about). No one wants Fulham to fail.
Alg01
Opinions are fine and you are certainly entitled to yours.
I have one question, since the team is so poorly run and it makes so many poor decision in personnel and generally is staffed by idiots and incompetents, why do you waste your time with FFC? All this whining and crying has to be painful for you.
Just wondering.
Cheers.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on July 28, 2019, 12:46:23 AM
Poor fellow hope he's ok soon.poo happens and this could have happened during the season. Don't you think they plan for this?The blessing in disguise is that it has happened early,before the window shuts. I will be totally surprised if we don't get people in to fill positions that need addressing. There are people on here that want us to fail so there TK agenda is valid.
I don't think anyone on here wants TK to fail, since that is bad for FFC.
Read some wierd stuff about Mawson tonight. Admittedly it has turned out to be a disastrous signing for both parties & people are understandably exasperated but blaming the club & TK etc is bloody ludicrous.
Lets get a few things straight, Alfie Mawson had no history of knee problems, he had avoided injuries through his career, he had just come off a season where he was ever present. We're not talking about a Darren Anderton, Jack Wilshere etc, this is/was a player who was rarely in the treatment room.
He had a routine operation & I dont apologize for repeating that because some medical experts on here are talking about him as if he had reconstructive knee surgery or had chronic issues with ligaments, he went in to have his cartilage cleaned up & little bit of fat removed. It was a supposedly very straightforward procedure.
When we were in the process of signing him, there were two other clubs trying to get him, one in particular were very keen & thought they had him tied up. He had trained on his own & was on the road to fitness, obviously a few weeks behind the rest.
He underwent a stringent medical, as you would expect when you're talking about the money involved. He was passed fit, Fulham or any other club would have signed him.
Getting injured while taking his boot off is nonsense too, he felt something go before half time & it popped when he tried to take it off. He wasnt happy with the knee prior to then. Was playing with a bit of discomfort but was told it would pass.
Its obvious something not right, its a shame for him because hes worked very hard to get fit, he was only saying in the week he feels fit & is raring to show Fulham fans what he can do. Hes had no luck whatsoever, its clear he now has an issue with his knee but when we signed him he was a player not sidelined but back in training, No way have Swansea had us over or the clubs hierachy been negligent.
Unfortunately its just one of those things. Hes got a scan in the morning & is walking about. They dont think hes done anything too drastic but will find out tomorrow for sure
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 28, 2019, 12:49:46 AM
Alg01
Opinions are fine and you are certainly entitled to yours.
I have one question, since the team is so poorly run and it makes so many poor decision in personnel and generally is staffed by idiots and incompetents, why do you waste your time with FFC? All this whining and crying has to be painful for you.
Just wondering.
Cheers.
If you actually think he is entitled to his opinion, then you maybe shouldn't call it "whining and crying" and imply that he shouldn't bother with FFC. Do you really think that a fan should abandon their club just because he is of the opinion that it is poorly run?
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
I just cant believe that people would call you a gloom merchant. That's a strange one
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:50:08 AM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on July 28, 2019, 12:46:23 AM
Poor fellow hope he's ok soon.poo happens and this could have happened during the season. Don't you think they plan for this?The blessing in disguise is that it has happened early,before the window shuts. I will be totally surprised if we don't get people in to fill positions that need addressing. There are people on here that want us to fail so there TK agenda is valid.
I don't think anyone on here wants TK to fail, since that is bad for FFC.
Not how I read some of the posts on here. You would think we all want our team to do well.There are some posters on here would have us fail to back up ther theory our owners don't no what there doing. I will give them until the window shuts before I make my mind up.Until then I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on July 28, 2019, 01:04:30 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:50:08 AM
Quote from: mrmicawbers on July 28, 2019, 12:46:23 AM
Poor fellow hope he's ok soon.poo happens and this could have happened during the season. Don't you think they plan for this?The blessing in disguise is that it has happened early,before the window shuts. I will be totally surprised if we don't get people in to fill positions that need addressing. There are people on here that want us to fail so there TK agenda is valid.
I don't think anyone on here wants TK to fail, since that is bad for FFC.
Not how I read some of the posts on here. You would think we all want our team to do well.There are some posters on here would have us fail to back up ther theory our owners don't no what there doing. I will give them until the window shuts before I make my mind up.Until then I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I am still fairly certain that those posters would prefer everything FFC related to go well. People just act differently when things are not (subjectively) perceived to be going very well.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 12:54:07 AM
Read some wierd stuff about Mawson tonight. Admittedly it has turned out to be a disastrous signing for both parties & people are understandably exasperated but blaming the club & TK etc is bloody ludicrous.
Lets get a few things straight, Alfie Mawson had no history of knee problems, he had avoided injuries through his career, he had just come off a season where he was ever present. We're not talking about a Darren Anderton, Jack Wilshere etc, this is/was a player who was rarely in the treatment room.
He had a routine operation & I dont apologize for repeating that because some medical experts on here are talking about him as if he had reconstructive knee surgery or had chronic issues with ligaments, he went in to have his cartilage cleaned up & little bit of fat removed. It was a supposedly very straightforward procedure.
When we were in the process of signing him, there were two other clubs trying to get him, one in particular were very keen & thought they had him tied up. He had trained on his own & was on the road to fitness, obviously a few weeks behind the rest.
He underwent a stringent medical, as you would expect when you're talking about the money involved. He was passed fit, Fulham or any other club would have signed him.
Getting injured while taking his boot off is nonsense too, he felt something go before half time & it popped when he tried to take it off. He wasnt happy with the knee prior to then. Was playing with a bit of discomfort but was told it would pass.
Its obvious something not right, its a shame for him because hes worked very hard to get fit, he was only saying in the week he feels fit & is raring to show Fulham fans what he can do. Hes had no luck whatsoever, its clear he now has an issue with his knee but when we signed him he was a player not sidelined but back in training, No way have Swansea had us over or the clubs hierachy been negligent.
Unfortunately its just one of those things. Hes got a scan in the morning & is walking about. They dont think hes done anything too drastic but will find out tomorrow for sure
At last some common sense.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 12:54:07 AM
Read some wierd stuff about Mawson tonight. Admittedly it has turned out to be a disastrous signing for both parties & people are understandably exasperated but blaming the club & TK etc is bloody ludicrous.
Lets get a few things straight, Alfie Mawson had no history of knee problems, he had avoided injuries through his career, he had just come off a season where he was ever present. We're not talking about a Darren Anderton, Jack Wilshere etc, this is/was a player who was rarely in the treatment room.
He had a routine operation & I dont apologize for repeating that because some medical experts on here are talking about him as if he had reconstructive knee surgery or had chronic issues with ligaments, he went in to have his cartilage cleaned up & little bit of fat removed. It was a supposedly very straightforward procedure.
When we were in the process of signing him, there were two other clubs trying to get him, one in particular were very keen & thought they had him tied up. He had trained on his own & was on the road to fitness, obviously a few weeks behind the rest.
He underwent a stringent medical, as you would expect when you're talking about the money involved. He was passed fit, Fulham or any other club would have signed him.
Getting injured while taking his boot off is nonsense too, he felt something go before half time & it popped when he tried to take it off. He wasnt happy with the knee prior to then. Was playing with a bit of discomfort but was told it would pass.
Its obvious something not right, its a shame for him because hes worked very hard to get fit, he was only saying in the week he feels fit & is raring to show Fulham fans what he can do. Hes had no luck whatsoever, its clear he now has an issue with his knee but when we signed him he was a player not sidelined but back in training, No way have Swansea had us over or the clubs hierachy been negligent.
Unfortunately its just one of those things. Hes got a scan in the morning & is walking about. They dont think hes done anything too drastic but will find out tomorrow for sure
Cheers for that
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:21:39 AM
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
There is only ever a lack of full reasoning simply because we never actually know the full picture, and we never know anything of real consequence (i.e. plausible evidence) unless it has been given to us in the public domain. With that in mind who are you to say what was the discussion between the medics and the recruiters about Mawson? Was it for example a case of the injury and operation have an '80-20 percent' positive outcome which are the best odds the best surgeon can give you? That is a risk that, as a player, you'd take to keep your career on the road, but as a buyer what would you do if you were not desperate to get a transfer over the line?
I am fed up with people talking nonsense on both sides of the TK divide, and also stop playing the points game with his position. TK is on a severe reprimand in my books and he isn't doing much to restore my faith.
Quote from: deadcowboys on July 28, 2019, 01:19:58 AM
Lets get a few things straight, Alfie Mawson had no history of knee problems.
He had a routine operation & I dont apologize for repeating that because some medical experts on here are talking about him as if he had reconstructive knee surgery or had chronic issues with ligaments, he went in to have his cartilage cleaned up & little bit of fat removed. It was a supposedly very straightforward procedure.
Nobody has a history of knee problems until they find they have one.
Walking, running and even stretching on the knee do not show up as critical points or activities, but you can suddenly feel the knee joint or lower leg bones move with a 'popping' or 'loud click' sound which may or may not be accompanied by pain or muscle discomfort, cramp or spasm elsewhere in the leg. The leg will appear to recover fully when you lie down and gradually stretch it out and half an hour or so later will often appear as good as new. Your leg may be slightly sore but that is all. At other times the pain will not recede although you may still be quite mobile. You can freely walk, run or exercise on it without pain in many cases. And then when you are doing something quite routine it'll pop or click again and so on. A scan will reveal the underlying nature of the issue.
All knee ops are routine because it is the commonest joint to give people problems. No surgery is, however, routine since the surgeons do not know what they will find until they operate. There are things the scans simply do not reveal which is why consultants will tend not to want to operate unless it is absolutely necessary since the operation can render the knee less movement instead of movement without pain. The cartilage is part of the ligament, and the fat is fluid build up as a result of damage.
Edit: I have managed to incorrectly attribute the quote to deadcowboys rather than Hillingdon FFC. My apologies to both.
Quote from: toshes mate on July 28, 2019, 10:02:46 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:21:39 AM
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
There is only ever a lack of full reasoning simply because we never actually know the full picture, and we never know anything of real consequence (i.e. plausible evidence) unless it has been given to us in the public domain. With that in mind who are you to say what was the discussion between the medics and the recruiters about Mawson? Was it for example a case of the injury and operation have an '80-20 percent' positive outcome which are the best odds the best surgeon can give you? That is a risk that, as a player, you'd take to keep your career on the road, but as a buyer what would you do if you were not desperate to get a transfer over the line?
I am fed up with people talking nonsense on both sides of the TK divide, and also stop playing the points game with his position. TK is on a severe reprimand in my books and he isn't doing much to restore my faith.
I am not saying what the discussion was between medics and recruiters, since I do not know. That was kind of my point (that we don't know). Then I added what I thought was likely, namely that recruiters got the green light from the medical team (again, I don't claim to know this). I also added that I believe that we are having bad luck (should not have used the word "of course", since that indicates something to be true, although I cannot possibly know, sorry about that). I am not on any particular side regarding TK, and see absolutely no reason to be on a side since that seem very limiting.
Rightly or wrongly I believe people's judgement and comments are influenced by the string of poor signings this management has made. The money wasted is borderline criminal if it wasn't their own. Whilst every signing carries risks we seem to have a very high failure percentage. This adds to people's frustration when in this case we appear to have been more unfortunate than anything at a critical stage of the season
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 27, 2019, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Which sixteen teams do you think are "nailed on" better than us this season?
I'm unsure how the West Ham highlights portrayed him, but from what I saw at the Cottage today Bryan made crucial tackles, looked comfortable in defence and he made Anderson look very average. He's the least of our worries at the back this season.
"I feel sorry for the lad, not his fault our DOF is arrogant, negligent, useless" - Are you trying to suggest here Tony Khan caused Mawson's injury today, which is why you're sorry? Or that people are blaming Mawson stating it's his fault for Tony Khan's decision-making as DOF, which is why you feel sorry??
we signed mawsom when he was already injured and it was obvious he would remain so especially the boot lace incident confirmed that.
we are poor bottom 8 is most likely as we have no defence.
bryan? he was poor in the highlits displaying all the weakness he showed last season when defending. he gets caught in no mans land endlessly and cannot decided whether to close or back off consequently does neither. If you say he did ok because younwere at the game I have to believe you, the bits I saw were not like that.
Do you think sixteen of the other teams in the Championship have a better defence than us? I'm struggling to see it personally
Was Mawson injured watched the highlights nothing showing the injury, Scotts post game reaction no mention of injury, watched sky no mention of injury but we get Dominic Solanke being hit in the ball in the face report on there.
Didnt one of our players go to America a few years ago for surgery on his knee which saved his career?
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 28, 2019, 10:53:50 AM
Didnt one of our players go to America a few years ago for surgery on his knee which saved his career?
Was that Jimmy Bullard?
Quote from: Nero on July 28, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
Was Mawson injured watched the highlights nothing showing the injury, Scotts post game reaction no mention of injury, watched sky no mention of injury but we get Dominic Solanke being hit in the ball in the face report on there.
He was carried off by MLM and a physio just before the second half started.
Quote from: Nero on July 28, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
Was Mawson injured watched the highlights nothing showing the injury, Scotts post game reaction no mention of injury, watched sky no mention of injury but we get Dominic Solanke being hit in the ball in the face report on there.
SP stated that Mawson was going to have a scan. Whether or not that happens is a question I have in my head because I am unsure it'll achieve anything more than confirm what is already known but it may give the player confidence if no new damage is discovered.
Obviously, and as I have explained above, he can say no more than that for the reasons given above. In Mawson's favour it may be just one of those moments with no longer term necessity for treatment or solution other than focusing minds on the fact repetition of yesterday's incident may be a risk to be countered and covered for the future. I hope for Mawson's sake it was just a moment.
Quote from: GJB on July 28, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 27, 2019, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Which sixteen teams do you think are "nailed on" better than us this season?
I'm unsure how the West Ham highlights portrayed him, but from what I saw at the Cottage today Bryan made crucial tackles, looked comfortable in defence and he made Anderson look very average. He's the least of our worries at the back this season.
"I feel sorry for the lad, not his fault our DOF is arrogant, negligent, useless" - Are you trying to suggest here Tony Khan caused Mawson's injury today, which is why you're sorry? Or that people are blaming Mawson stating it's his fault for Tony Khan's decision-making as DOF, which is why you feel sorry??
we signed mawsom when he was already injured and it was obvious he would remain so especially the boot lace incident confirmed that.
we are poor bottom 8 is most likely as we have no defence.
bryan? he was poor in the highlits displaying all the weakness he showed last season when defending. he gets caught in no mans land endlessly and cannot decided whether to close or back off consequently does neither. If you say he did ok because younwere at the game I have to believe you, the bits I saw were not like that.
Do you think sixteen of the other teams in the Championship have a better defence than us? I'm struggling to see it personally
Your opinion v mine based on our current squad. I am glad you are so optimistic and really hope you are more right than me but this squad has disaster written all ove it as it stands.
Quote from: Tabby on July 28, 2019, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 28, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
Was Mawson injured watched the highlights nothing showing the injury, Scotts post game reaction no mention of injury, watched sky no mention of injury but we get Dominic Solanke being hit in the ball in the face report on there.
He was carried off by MLM and a physio just before the second half started.
Sorry, but were you there? The incident happened a few minutes into the 2nd half, the ball had just gone out for a throw in, that's when he went down. As it was in the corner nearest the Cottage he was helped off and went straight to the dressing room, he was then subbed by Christie.
We just need a couple of people coming in to cover Mawson as he is still unreliable
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He tweaked his knee making a pass unchallenged before he went down. Looks like a ligament strain or rupture to me.
Always sad when an athletes body just gives up.
Last season was a complete sham.
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on July 28, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: Tabby on July 28, 2019, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 28, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
Was Mawson injured watched the highlights nothing showing the injury, Scotts post game reaction no mention of injury, watched sky no mention of injury but we get Dominic Solanke being hit in the ball in the face report on there.
He was carried off by MLM and a physio just before the second half started.
Sorry, but were you there? The incident happened a few minutes into the 2nd half, the ball had just gone out for a throw in, that's when he went down. As it was in the corner nearest the Cottage he was helped off and went straight to the dressing room, he was then subbed by Christie.
Nah, was listening to the radio. Must have misheard.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 28, 2019, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: GJB on July 27, 2019, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 27, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
when we got him I said it was an error to sign an injured player... again
then when he was recovering and injured himself tieing up his boots I saud it was error to sign an injured player again
and all through this pre season and from the time last season finished I said do not rely on him he will not play 10 full games because he was injured
and I was told I was a doom and gloom merchant and he had recovered and would be our main man this season
seems I know more than many on here, largely because I have seen it all before and know how to use my eyes and ears properly.
I am sorry for the lad, not his fault our DoF is arrogant, negligent, useless and only and very unfortunately here because of his dad. Our DoF is so useless that if he was in a government department the governement would fall because of keeping an incompetent in place. He does not learn from errors and is strangling the lifeblood from us.
I loved the booklet this morning with my season ticket and the beautiful pacjkaging but I would swap that for a man that knew what he was doing in charge.
Oh and another thing, from the highlits I saw on the westr ham site (they have the decency to put them up quickly) MLM and bryan look way below the required quality...bryan never knows wheether to tackle or back off and MLM is just a poor excuse.
Bottom 8 nailed on
Which sixteen teams do you think are "nailed on" better than us this season?
I'm unsure how the West Ham highlights portrayed him, but from what I saw at the Cottage today Bryan made crucial tackles, looked comfortable in defence and he made Anderson look very average. He's the least of our worries at the back this season.
"I feel sorry for the lad, not his fault our DOF is arrogant, negligent, useless" - Are you trying to suggest here Tony Khan caused Mawson's injury today, which is why you're sorry? Or that people are blaming Mawson stating it's his fault for Tony Khan's decision-making as DOF, which is why you feel sorry??
we signed mawsom when he was already injured and it was obvious he would remain so especially the boot lace incident confirmed that.
we are poor bottom 8 is most likely as we have no defence.
bryan? he was poor in the highlits displaying all the weakness he showed last season when defending. he gets caught in no mans land endlessly and cannot decided whether to close or back off consequently does neither. If you say he did ok because younwere at the game I have to believe you, the bits I saw were not like that.
Do you think sixteen of the other teams in the Championship have a better defence than us? I'm struggling to see it personally
Your opinion v mine based on our current squad. I am glad you are so optimistic and really hope you are more right than me but this squad has disaster written all ove it as it stands.
You're right, it is just my opinion and I'm trying to consider the situation with a glass half full approach.
My thoughts are not just based on our squad. Comparing our squad to others, there's very few stand-out teams who have depth to their squad that is categorically strong enough for promotion, or even a defence where I look at each defender and I get worried that Fulham's defence is clearly lacking in comparison.
The frustration over Mawson is simply that we have needed a centre half or two for over three years. When he came in he was trying to get over a knee operation. The other defender we brought in - MLM is prone to mistakes. Ream had an awful season in the Prem after a surprisingly good run of form in the Championship.
Players being bought or borrowed can go badly as our signings did last season. It happens, it's frustrating but it happens. However considering we needed a centre half even with Mawson fit. This latest injury will of course be criticised as the need for a replacement or addition in a position we have been lacking in for many years.
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 28, 2019, 12:57:25 PM
The frustration over Mawson is simply that we have needed a centre half or two for over three years. When he came in he was trying to get over a knee operation.
Players being bought or borrowed can go badly as our signings did last season. It happens, it's frustrating but it happens. However considering we needed a centre half even with Mawson fit. This latest injury will of course be criticised as the need for a replacement or addition in a position we have been lacking in for many years.
Absolutely agree with these points but I would repeat that we do not know whether Mawson is actually injured or, as I have explained elsewhere on the thread, he suffered a trauma involving his already suspect knee which can occur with knee damage and can be excruciatingly painful but does settle down quite quickly. If he is up and about and able to walk, run and exercise then the leg may settle down all on its own with or without expert guidance. I am hopeful it is a trauma and nothing more serious.
Just because you can remember watching Graham Leggatt, in my view, is no reason to slaughter the people in charge of the club in the present day.
Anyone who's been a supporter for that long, will have seen some very bad times indeed, and at the moment we are still enjoying what I would call
one of our more successful periods in the last 50 or 60 years.
All I'll say, is that if anyone thinks Fulham will finish in the bottom 8, or even outside the top 10, then come and have that bet with me, as much as you want.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:54:08 AM
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 28, 2019, 12:49:46 AM
Alg01
Opinions are fine and you are certainly entitled to yours.
I have one question, since the team is so poorly run and it makes so many poor decision in personnel and generally is staffed by idiots and incompetents, why do you waste your time with FFC? All this whining and crying has to be painful for you.
Just wondering.
Cheers.
If you actually think he is entitled to his opinion, then you maybe shouldn't call it "whining and crying" and imply that he shouldn't bother with FFC. Do you really think that a fan should abandon their club just because he is of the opinion that it is poorly run?
If all the club brings you is pain and suffering, then to ask why is a legitimate question. He is entitled to his opinion as are you and surprise, me. My opinion is that it is whining and crying. Being poorly run is not a reason to abandon a club. If this were so, then many teams wouldn't have any fans. What I did was ask a question. I did not imply anything.
Might be good news regarding the injury
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
Let's hope so.
Some of the comments about him on other FFC boards have been shameful.
Quote from: SP on July 28, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
Let's hope so.
Some of the comments about him on other FFC boards have been shameful.
Most of it seems like pent up frustration that we haven't addressed such a clear need. Not that it's justfied, but I don't think anyone has anything against Mawson.
Quote from: TXWhite on July 28, 2019, 06:00:57 PM
Quote from: SP on July 28, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
Let's hope so.
Some of the comments about him on other FFC boards have been shameful.
Most of it seems like pent up frustration that we haven't addressed such a clear need. Not that it's justfied, but I don't think anyone has anything against Mawson.
This.
Got all my fingers and toes crossed for good news!
Even if it isn't serious the Khans need to bring in a CB that can be groomed to being leader of the back line, if not this year then the next when the team is hopefully back in the EPL.
Does any Fulham fan think Mawson will last more than 25 games this season even if this injury doesn't prove to be too serious?
That leaves Odoi, Ream and MLM as the CBs with 1st team experience.
Where is the back line leader in that group? Where is the attacking the ball in the air defender? Where is the danger to score on set pieces attacker? Oh, that right...it's suppose to be Mawson whose hurt.
Come on Tony. Bring in at least 1 quality loanee CB with option to buy. PLEASE.
Agreed. I think people are tired of seeing so many players failing once bought in. Not fair on Mawson but when you count up the money wasted it is borderline criminal if it wasn't their own money. So very frustrating for all this injury at a critical stage of the season to a critical player in an important position where we have systematically failed over several years to provide the necessary cover
Quote from: SP on July 28, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
Let's hope so.
Some of the comments about him on other FFC boards have been shameful.
Totally agree mate, I dont post much about him on TIFF because there seems to be a little group on there who seem to have a bit of an agenda, its like a vendetta.
Some of its just drivel, & it wind's me up a bit. Completely understand people are frustrated but, c'mon lets be sensible about it
Hillingdon is absolutely right - no one is to blame for this situation- least of all the player who has been incredibly unlucky. I am certainly no fan of TK - but this sad situation cannot be laid at his door. However he really does need to act now. Lighthouse is right that we have needed a centre back pairing for several seasons - we cannot start the season without adding to the squad
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
How good/bad is it?? Hoping something just got tweaked rather than a relapse of his previous injury
If the rumours are true, nothing found on the scan. Not sure why his knee would lock-up though?
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
How good/bad is it?? Hoping something just got tweaked rather than a relapse of his previous injury
Seeing a specialist tomorrow, but scan today showed nothing untoward, they think it might only be two weeks but will find out tomorrow.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 28, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
Might be good news regarding the injury
How good/bad is it?? Hoping something just got tweaked rather than a relapse of his previous injury
Seeing a specialist tomorrow, but scan today showed nothing untoward, they think it might only be two weeks but will find out tomorrow.
Problem is the knee is obviously weak and even if it is nothing (I really hope so for his sake even more than ours), it could easily go again at any moment.
Can't see him playing 20 games if you can't walk off the pitch what chance is the!
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:48:20 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 12:33:44 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 28, 2019, 12:21:39 AM
As expected, there is an almost impressive lack of reason on here tonight.
Even if you dislike TK, and even if you pretend (like some on here) that you know more than the medical team assessing our potential signings, many comments on here are complete childish nonsense, in my opinion. Most likely Mawson was cleared by FFC's doctor's before we signed him, and if so it was not an unreasonable move at the time. His new injury is of course mostly down to bad luck (unless he wasn't cleared at signing), even if there was an increased risk. In my opinion that is, although obviously many on here knows much better (because reasons).
I hate to disagree. there was no bad luck in this. mawsom was clearly injured when we got and yet still pursued the venture. we have repeated this error a numer of times. Our medical team is either 10th rate, and it may be, or TK just overukes them because he believes the player will recover, which he is very unlikely too. maybe it was all a scare and he will make a spectacular recovery but I do not expect him to play 10 full games this season. i wish it were otherwise. And for your information I do happen to know better because I use my eyes and my experience and my knowledge to properly asses the situation. TK has proven himself to be nxt to useless becase he is to arrogant to learn.
whilst a pre season friendly deeat does not bother me, the manner of losing is a concern. unless we get a new defence that is fit, quick and committed quickly we will be bottom 8 for sure. certainly hope we do not get to deadline day and bring in loads more panic dross! I am staggered there are people defending the blantantly obvious
Everyone knows that Mawson was recovering from an injury. What other injured players that stayed injured have we acquired under TK? Nordveit?
You state that either our medical team is 10th rate, or that TK disregards them, but then also states that both are unlikely (or that is how I read it, but not entirely clear). What is your guess, is it the medical team or TK?
I am also sorry to have to disagree with you, but your "eyes" and "experience" adds nothing to your post unless you actually have any actual knowledge or real experience with situations such as this (which I assume you would have been happy to share would you have any). I can also claim to know better than other people, but that doesn't make it true. Plenty of players have recovered from various injuries (even knee injuries) and gone on to play successfully for many years afterwards.
Sorry, but your last para is ridiculous. my experience is vast and my eyes let me see what is going on... I am using the terms poetically and factually, I should not have to explain that. You can disagree with my assesment but so far i have been right about Mawsom. After what i saw at the start of last season it was clear to me he was not going to be a useful player. players do recover and I hope he makes it but I am applying my experience that he seems onme that is less likely too. I doubt he will make 10 full games, I really hope that is worng because if he does recover he is a fine player.
And just for the record, purchasing players that are injured or recovering is a very dodgy thing to do.
Quote from: toshes mate on July 28, 2019, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 28, 2019, 12:57:25 PM
The frustration over Mawson is simply that we have needed a centre half or two for over three years. When he came in he was trying to get over a knee operation.
Players being bought or borrowed can go badly as our signings did last season. It happens, it's frustrating but it happens. However considering we needed a centre half even with Mawson fit. This latest injury will of course be criticised as the need for a replacement or addition in a position we have been lacking in for many years.
Absolutely agree with these points but I would repeat that we do not know whether Mawson is actually injured or, as I have explained elsewhere on the thread, he suffered a trauma involving his already suspect knee which can occur with knee damage and can be excruciatingly painful but does settle down quite quickly. If he is up and about and able to walk, run and exercise then the leg may settle down all on its own with or without expert guidance. I am hopeful it is a trauma and nothing more serious.
Really hope it is what you point out, Is a worry. I think we all have high hopes he'd be the rock of the defence this season and beyond. ie shout at MLM, Odoi + New arrivals and sort them out. Would be so disappointing to see him sidelined most of the season.
Only silver cloud is at least there is time to get replacements in if needed. Although we are slow on Defensive front
Quote from: spikey norman on July 28, 2019, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 28, 2019, 10:53:50 AM
Didnt one of our players go to America a few years ago for surgery on his knee which saved his career?
Was that Jimmy Bullard?
Bullard suffered a cruciate knee ligament injury in 2006 (5 months after his move to us from Wigan) against Newcastle, and then also crocked it again 3 weeks after we sold him to Hull in 2009 (against West Ham), for which he went to Denver for treatment.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 10:07:11 PM
Sorry, but your last para is ridiculous. my experience is vast and my eyes let me see what is going on... I am using the terms poetically and factually, I should not have to explain that. You can disagree with my assesment but so far i have been right about Mawsom. After what i saw at the start of last season it was clear to me he was not going to be a useful player. players do recover and I hope he makes it but I am applying my experience that he seems onme that is less likely too. I doubt he will make 10 full games, I really hope that is worng because if he does recover he is a fine player.
And just for the record, purchasing players that are injured or recovering is a very dodgy thing to do.
You are of course free to believe that you know better than other people. When you cannot explain why that would be so however, I have no reason to believe that your guess is better than anyone else's. Personally I prefer not to claim to know stuff that I obviously cannot know, but maybe that is just your way of writing that I interpret as certainty, when I should just put it down to you exaggerating to put forth a point (or using your poetic license).
I still believe that the Mawson situation is mostly down to bad luck, but I cannot say that I am well positioned to back up such a claim.
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
Would they sign someone who they thought would only be fit for for half the games?
Maybe you're right, but I would think that it's a mistake to sign someone who they thought would be injured a lot of the time - how can you build a solid, consistent defence around such a player -whatever the price, though we have a record of doing just that, of course.
I think they thought that Mawsom would be ok once he recovered from his knee op. What is his overall record for missing games through injury in his career? Though I suppose the price did come into it, but surely no one would deliberately buy a crock .........would they??????
Fingers crossed on his other scan today!
Hopefully he'll be ok, big blow if he's out for any considerable time.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2019, 09:12:47 AM
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
With all due respect mate what on earth are you on about??
His injury had no bearing whatsover on his transfer fee, half price?? Its worth up to 20m . Dont be misled by grossly inflated prices for Harry McGuire. Swansea were relegated & knew that someone who had just broke into the England squad wasn't going to hang around in the championship.
So you really think Fulham or any other club of our size are going to fork out that kind of money on someone who they think is only going to play half the games? .lol. I mean seriously?
Yes hopefully he is okay but was it not written on here somewhere that he looked distraught as he came off the pitch. In my experience players, and indeed other 'athletes', know when something is wrong and he will know his knee better than anyone. With no impact involved and his immediate inability to move properly I really hope it's something relatively simple requiring basic rest and rehab but I fear the worst.
He got aslight twist as he played an angled pass. Done it myself, I think he got a fright as it was on his newly fit knee. Hope hes going top be ok . Some comments on this thread are ridiculous. Mawson has been unlucky with his injuries ,but that can all change.
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Quote from: ALG01 on July 28, 2019, 10:07:11 PM
Sorry, but your last para is ridiculous. my experience is vast and my eyes let me see what is going on... I am using the terms poetically and factually, I should not have to explain that. You can disagree with my assesment but so far i have been right about Mawsom. After what i saw at the start of last season it was clear to me he was not going to be a useful player. players do recover and I hope he makes it but I am applying my experience that he seems onme that is less likely too. I doubt he will make 10 full games, I really hope that is worng because if he does recover he is a fine player.
And just for the record, purchasing players that are injured or recovering is a very dodgy thing to do.
You are of course free to believe that you know better than other people. When you cannot explain why that would be so however, I have no reason to believe that your guess is better than anyone else's. Personally I prefer not to claim to know stuff that I obviously cannot know, but maybe that is just your way of writing that I interpret as certainty, when I should just put it down to you exaggerating to put forth a point (or using your poetic license).
I still believe that the Mawson situation is mostly down to bad luck, but I cannot say that I am well positioned to back up such a claim.
WEll I appreciate your comments. and I do accept I am prone to be a bit overboard sometimes (usually!). My point is actually that I have seen this type of thing before, that is my experience. 9 times out of 10 it ends in tears but of course I cannot know anything for 100% certain, like the rest of us I just sit and wacth.... but my instinct is that does not look good.
Personally, and we can agree to differ, I do not think itwas bad luck, I have severe misgivings about signing injured players. I obviously hope it works out, we all do but as I keep tryuing to say i am very uneasy.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on July 29, 2019, 10:36:29 AM
Yes hopefully he is okay but was it not written on here somewhere that he looked distraught as he came off the pitch. In my experience players, and indeed other 'athletes', know when something is wrong and he will know his knee better than anyone. With no impact involved and his immediate inability to move properly I really hope it's something relatively simple requiring basic rest and rehab but I fear the worst.
He certainly didn't look happy but he also looked as if his leg couldn't bear his weight and that is what happens if you catch an injured knee in just the wrong place whether ligaments have been reconstructed or not. The lower leg actually moves slightly out of alignment with the knee, the muscles start to spasm and can become very, very painful. I have had it happen to me a few times and it is very frightening when you get the initial movement because you start to feel discomfort and pain immediately and it is difficult to find a position where the leg is comfortable. The body also tends to go into shock as a result of muscle messages to the brain. However, the leg slowly works back into full alignment when the muscles begin to relax and then you can stretch your leg out without pain. A scan will reveal if there is new damage. When I asked my consultant about these incidents he told me they are unlikely to cause new damage and are more frightening than anything else. It is just the way individual knee ligament damage pans out in certain cases and how you, hopefully, cope with them.
The biggest problem with signing Mawson injured was that we desperately needed a CB for the START OF THE SEASON. Everyone knew Odoi was suspended. We had to play our first couple of games with a back four that had hardly even met each other, let alone settled in. We started the season shockingly unprepared. Several of the players in the starting 11 against Palace were signed after our last pre-season friendly. Bryan can't possibly have been available for training any earlier than ONE day before starting a PL match. That's utterly insane! Obviously we got off to a bad start. This was a huge contribution to us getting relegated. Now it's happening all over again... No wonder some of us are getting frustrated. If we can't cope with having ONE CB injured a week before the start of the season TK hasn't done his job IMO. Why am I not surprised?
Quote from: RaySmith on July 29, 2019, 09:23:49 AM
Would they sign someone who they thought would only be fit for for half the games?
Maybe you're right, but I would think that it's a mistake to sign someone who they thought would be injured a lot of the time - how can you build a solid, consistent defence around such a player -whatever the price, though we have a record of doing just that, of course.
I think they thought that Mawsom would be ok once he recovered from his knee op. What is his overall record for missing games through injury in his career? Though I suppose the price did come into it, but surely no one would deliberately buy a crock .........would they??????
Why does it have to be so binary, ie completely fit or total long-term crock?
As I touched on in another post, I accept there's no reason to believe a significant, long-term issue had manifested itself when we signed Mawson, and I'm certainly not suggesting TK bought a player thinking he'd only play 15 games per season.
However, I do suspect TK was advised that there was a small chance, say 5% (I've no idea what the exact % would be) that Mawson wouldn't make a full recovery and/or perhaps a 5% chance of a recurrence of the injury or other injuries. Obviously this would be coupled with the fact he wouldn't be available for the start of the season in any event.
In that case my criticism of TK wouldn't be that he should have known Mawson was a total crock. It would be that he should have weighed up those risks and thought, FFC are desparate for a CB, they've no other PL-quality CBs, defence is going to be more important than attack this year, and CB is a position where you need a consistent pairing, not a position you can rotate like other positions. Therefore we can't take any risks in this area, even small risks.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2019, 09:12:47 AM
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
So one point per game, that's relegation form. Hardly evidence that he is "a premier league centre back". As to your claim that we got him for half price, well I'll have whatever you're on.
Quote from: Twig on July 29, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2019, 09:12:47 AM
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
So one point per game, that's relegation form. Hardly evidence that he is "a premier league centre back". As to your claim that we got him for half price, well I'll have whatever you're on.
Except 38 pts would have kept us up. Its clear in that run he was showing the form we needed and what a good player he is.
Quote from: MJG on July 29, 2019, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 29, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2019, 09:12:47 AM
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
So one point per game, that's relegation form. Hardly evidence that he is "a premier league centre back". As to your claim that we got him for half price, well I'll have whatever you're on.
Except 38 pts would have kept us up. Its clear in that run he was showing the form we needed and what a good player he is.
I think you can't pool too much in such a small sample size to be honest. I'm a Mawson fan, gutted he could be out long term, but I don't think we can justify suggesting we'd of stayed up with him playing every week last eyar.
Quote from: toshes mate on July 29, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on July 29, 2019, 10:36:29 AM
Yes hopefully he is okay but was it not written on here somewhere that he looked distraught as he came off the pitch. In my experience players, and indeed other 'athletes', know when something is wrong and he will know his knee better than anyone. With no impact involved and his immediate inability to move properly I really hope it's something relatively simple requiring basic rest and rehab but I fear the worst.
He certainly didn't look happy but he also looked as if his leg couldn't bear his weight and that is what happens if you catch an injured knee in just the wrong place whether ligaments have been reconstructed or not. The lower leg actually moves slightly out of alignment with the knee, the muscles start to spasm and can become very, very painful. I have had it happen to me a few times and it is very frightening when you get the initial movement because you start to feel discomfort and pain immediately and it is difficult to find a position where the leg is comfortable. The body also tends to go into shock as a result of muscle messages to the brain. However, the leg slowly works back into full alignment when the muscles begin to relax and then you can stretch your leg out without pain. A scan will reveal if there is new damage. When I asked my consultant about these incidents he told me they are unlikely to cause new damage and are more frightening than anything else. It is just the way individual knee ligament damage pans out in certain cases and how you, hopefully, cope with them.
True enough. I remember reading up on mild, acute and chronic injuries and sprains and strains, tears and ruptures as part of a coaching course. A Physio on the same course said he would rather treat a clean break than an acute ankle sprain which if you put the diagnosis, prognosis and rehab side by side made it a reasonable statement. The way our joints and supporting structures work is a magical thing indeed.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 29, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: MJG on July 29, 2019, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 29, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2019, 09:12:47 AM
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
So one point per game, that's relegation form. Hardly evidence that he is "a premier league centre back". As to your claim that we got him for half price, well I'll have whatever you're on.
Except 38 pts would have kept us up. Its clear in that run he was showing the form we needed and what a good player he is.
I think you can't pool too much in such a small sample size to be honest. I'm a Mawson fan, gutted he could be out long term, but I don't think we can justify suggesting we'd of stayed up with him playing every week last eyar.
I didnt really say we would...only that a point a a game keeps a team up. It would not have kept us up at that rate anyway...but across a season yes.
Quote from: MJG on July 29, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 29, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: MJG on July 29, 2019, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 29, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2019, 09:12:47 AM
Mawson was fit for 9 games last season and we got 9 points that proves when fit he is a premier league centre back. A good centre back cost £30m these days, we got him for half price due to his injuries, so i assume Fulham medical staff thought he'd play half the games most seasons. I don't think that was a stupid estimate.
So one point per game, that's relegation form. Hardly evidence that he is "a premier league centre back". As to your claim that we got him for half price, well I'll have whatever you're on.
Except 38 pts would have kept us up. Its clear in that run he was showing the form we needed and what a good player he is.
I think you can't pool too much in such a small sample size to be honest. I'm a Mawson fan, gutted he could be out long term, but I don't think we can justify suggesting we'd of stayed up with him playing every week last eyar.
I didnt really say we would...only that a point a a game keeps a team up. It would not have kept us up at that rate anyway...but across a season yes.
I read a bit too much into that, indeed.
Oh dear , it looks as if we may have bought a Sick Note with Mawson and it raises question about the thoroughness of the medical with these late window deals. Also are all of the selling club's records on a player made available to the purchasing club.
He's been unlucky, and was again, certainly not the fault of the club or the medical team, as for the sick note thing, he's been injured, but wasn't before he joined, where his playing record had been good previously.
I always smile at the sicknote thing, seeing as it was made against Darren Anderton at spurs who actually played more games in the top flight for spurs than Roy Keane did for united over the same period.
Quote from: snarks on July 29, 2019, 05:28:10 PM
I always smile at the sicknote thing, seeing as it was made against Darren Anderton at spurs who actually played more games in the top flight for spurs than Roy Keane did for united over the same period.
Technically Keane played 25 more league games than Anderton throughout the seasons 1993-2004 in which their respective Man Utd and Spurs spells coincided, and Keane still played more games when you factor in the seasons which did not coincide (1992, 2005, 2006). The gap is over 100 games when you factor in all competitions. Nonetheless still a valid point.
I sat incognito in the Putney End (with a West Spam mate who had a free ticket) and saw it happen directly in front of me. As soon as he kicked the ball, he swore and it seemed he knew immediately what injury it was. Initially I thought it was an Achilles rupture due to obvious pain and the way his foot was hanging so limp. Hope he recovers asap whatever injury it is.
Maybe went down to safeguard it.
And....? It's been 2 days. No news?
Yes an official update would be good with less than a week before the start of the season!
ITK on TiFF claiming Alfie is back in training tomorrow.
Quote from: SP on July 29, 2019, 08:37:19 PM
ITK on TiFF claiming Alfie is back in training tomorrow.
Yep he thinks he is
That would be great news. Fingers crossed for the lad
