I see lots on here suggesting we should go in for him, but for me that's far too big a risk. As we all know, the Khan's will sack anyone deemed to be under performing, so what happens if we sign Arter as our midfield trio upgrade/back up and we dont have a good start to the season. If parker gets the sack will arter do a Frank Lampard and refuse to play us? Now I'm sure some will say no because he is a professional, but so was fat Frank. So for me, that's a gamble I wouldnt be prepared to take, especially as our defense is still dodgy as hell, and our pre season was far from successful.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2019, 06:56:55 PM
I see lots on here suggesting we should go in for him, but for me that's far too big a risk. As we all know, the Khan's will sack anyone deemed to be under performing, so what happens if we sign Arter as our midfield trio upgrade/back up and we dont have a good start to the season. If parker gets the sack will arter do a Frank Lampard and refuse to play us? Now I'm sure some will say no because he is a professional, but so was fat Frank. So for me, that's a gamble I wouldnt be prepared to take, especially as our defense is still dodgy as hell, and our pre season was far from successful.
Lost by one goal to Porto and one goal to West Ham. Beat premier league Brighton. Not bad results
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 29, 2019, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2019, 06:56:55 PM
I see lots on here suggesting we should go in for him, but for me that's far too big a risk. As we all know, the Khan's will sack anyone deemed to be under performing, so what happens if we sign Arter as our midfield trio upgrade/back up and we dont have a good start to the season. If parker gets the sack will arter do a Frank Lampard and refuse to play us? Now I'm sure some will say no because he is a professional, but so was fat Frank. So for me, that's a gamble I wouldnt be prepared to take, especially as our defense is still dodgy as hell, and our pre season was far from successful.
Lost by one goal to Porto and one goal to West Ham. Beat premier league Brighton. Not bad results
results arent that important. Picking up injuries, and not looking great in defense are why I classed it as un successful
Our midfield is weaker than our defense, especially around the 70 minute mark and with any injuries. I think we maybe lucky to get "one point a game" when (not if) Cairney is injuried next season. The trio of KMac, Stefjo and Cisse is not even feared by Milwall, those are the kind of games the backups need to be able to win.
What concerns me about Arter is his relationship with Parker. If he plays poorly, will he be benched? Will he get a longer look so that Parker doesn't have to hear about it at his dinner table? If you were the player who sits so that Arter plays, do you believe that Parker is playing favorites? Does the rest of the team?
Nothing good will come of another family connection on this club.
He'd probably be so scared of being accused of favouritism he'd be more likely to go the other way.
I doubt Parker wants to have a relative playing for him, because of what you're talking about, but if Arter seems someone who can play a role in the squad and is available, then I'm sure that will be his main conern if TK and the transfer team want him.
Managers must have players they like personally, but have to drop them if they are not performing - the sort of tough decisions they have to make all the time.
Arter is potentially coming in because he fits what we need. A workhorse who plays at CM, who can provide good cover for Johansen.
Parker being a brother in law doesn't change that.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 29, 2019, 07:59:31 PM
Arter is potentially coming in because he fits what we need. A workhorse who plays at CM, who can provide good cover for Johansen.
Parker being a brother in law doesn't change that.
no but parker being sacked might change things
Being sacked for what exactly ?
Mitro was Jokanovic's man yet signed a new deal?
Can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. I've always thought Arter was a busy and effective midfield presence. He's a good pro and if he's still good enough, we shouldn't hesitate.
Takes me way back to the days when we had Bill Dodgin as manager and he was playing his son ( a reasonable centre half) out of position at right back.
Us fans gave young bill a rough time because his dad was manager and because he was not playing too well.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 29, 2019, 08:39:45 PM
Being sacked for what exactly ?
under performing maybe? 9 managers in 6 years says shahid wont give him long, especially as it will get harder and harder to go back up the longer it takes.
Quote from: millsy on July 29, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
Can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. I've always thought Arter was a busy and effective midfield presence. He's a good pro and if he's still good enough, we shouldn't hesitate.
Exactly. Would take him over Seri and Anguissa any day . Might not have the talent but his balls are twice as big as those two.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 29, 2019, 08:39:45 PM
Being sacked for what exactly ?
under performing maybe? 9 managers in 6 years says shahid wont give him long, especially as it will get harder and harder to go back up the longer it takes.
Underperforming ? If that would be the reason, then why hasn't Khan sacked his son.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 30, 2019, 01:01:52 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 29, 2019, 08:39:45 PM
Being sacked for what exactly ?
under performing maybe? 9 managers in 6 years says shahid wont give him long, especially as it will get harder and harder to go back up the longer it takes.
Underperforming ? If that would be the reason, then why hasn't Khan sacked his son.
probably for the same reason that some are sceptical about signing arter.
Arter is a good pro, a leader and a decent footballer to boot.
Parker being his brother in law makes it more likely we'll sign him, but both have been model professionals and I can't see favouritism getting in the way.
Sign him if the finances are reasonable in my eyes
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I always thought Arter a bit of a thug.
But maybe he's the type of steel we need in midfield, alongside Stefjo's iron, to stop us being such pushovers for the physical teams.
He works hard for the team so I could see it working.
Quote from: Skatzoffc on July 30, 2019, 09:27:28 AM
I always thought Arter a bit of a thug.
But maybe he's the type of steel we need in midfield, alongside Stefjo's iron, to stop us being such pushovers for the physical teams.
He works hard for the team so I could see it working.
We've needed a thug for years.
Quote from: the nutflush on July 30, 2019, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: Skatzoffc on July 30, 2019, 09:27:28 AM
I always thought Arter a bit of a thug.
But maybe he's the type of steel we need in midfield, alongside Stefjo's iron, to stop us being such pushovers for the physical teams.
He works hard for the team so I could see it working.
We've needed a thug for years.
You do remember Johansen has been the ultimate shithouse for 3 years. Not a thug per say, but shithouse 100%.
I'd agree he's the sort of player we need for the Championship, bags of experience and a bit of steel.
We were linked with him though as soon as Parker got the job, so I wonder if it's just lazy journalism. We don't normally buy 29 year olds for a big fee.
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