Ater sent off for second yellow. Parker should have taken him off at half time.
Stupid reaction from Arter
Total fool. Worst simulation I have seen.
As much as I think Parker should of subbed him almost straight after the yellow, having already been spoken to in the first half, Arter has been completely stupid doing what he did. Such a let down. Naivety from us massively which we now look for a draw as a good result which is a sad enrichment for this squad/team. Another unimpressive position for us this season.
Quote from: The Swan on August 30, 2019, 09:15:04 PM
Ater sent off for second yellow. Parker should have taken him off at half time.
I don't think he'd picked up a yellow at half time had he?
A player picking up two yellows is not a sign of a team in control. We allowed our selves to be brought down to Cardiff's level.
Sorry Scotty things are not going as they should have been.
Quote from: filham on August 30, 2019, 09:46:14 PM
A player picking up two yellows is not a sign of a team in control. We allowed our selves to be brought down to Cardiff's level.
Sorry Scotty things are not going as they should have been.
Disagree. Arter only one not in control.
Parker defending him on TV.
Arter has been great so far this season but this is exactly the sort of thing that the fans feared when we were linked with him.
He was stupid to go down but made it worse by protesting as he did.
Also thought having Reed playing as the defensive midfielder didn't help our play.
Lads did well lasting 30mins with 10 men.
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
Quote from: Statto on August 30, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
I disagree Statto. If there was any contact (and I am not sure there is much there), it was minimal. Arter went down very late and if he had not complained and had just let them have the corner, I doubt the referee would have shown him the second card.
Quote from: Statto on August 30, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
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Simulation in his own box must be unusual?.Seemed a typical away day card to me but I know nothing.
Quote from: Statto on August 30, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
i saw that also BUT he should have gone own straight away or stayed up,it was his action FOF throwing himself down that got him sent off. He definitely got clipped but stupid reaction.
Maybe they can appeal the clip is there for all to see.
Quote from: bobbo on August 30, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 30, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
i saw that also BUT he should have gone own straight away or stayed up,it was his action FOF throwing himself down that got him sent off. He definitely got clipped but stupid reaction.
Maybe they can appeal the clip is there for all to see.
Don't think you can appeal a yellow, only a straight red. May be wrong though.
i think you only have to look at where the incident took place . he was obviously fouled but foolishly threw himself to the floor . Flint did the same 2 mins later , nothing given . Ref had a stinker . morrison spends 5 mins wiping the ball with a towel , cairney hands over the capt armband and its yellow . Mitro wrestled to the floor , no pen. Warnock still looked annoyed despite getting every decision go his way, not many teams will get a point there , especially on a friday night on sky
ps if you read cairneys lips in the first half when he was called over by the ref . He said to Arter " watch your mouth " . it was on the cards .
Quote from: bahay18 on August 30, 2019, 10:29:33 PM
ps if you read cairneys lips in the first half when he was called over by the ref . He said to Arter " watch your mouth " . it was on the cards .
The 4th official confirmed to Sky's man on the line the second yellow was for "simulation" not dissent
yes . this was in the first half when the ref called cairney and arter over . no doubt what the second yellow was . just highlighting that arter seemed on a mission
Strange how when the 'big boys' are on Sky the commentators says countless times he got the slightest of touches and he's entitled to go down.
if H was touched he was touched...whether he hits the ground 1 second or 3 seconds after doesn't mean he wasn't.
Of course consistent refereeing would even out these decisions.
He'll have time to recover from the operation he is rumoured to be having at least.
Quote from: Stevieboy on August 30, 2019, 11:51:18 PM
if H was touched he was touched...whether he hits the ground 1 second or 3 seconds after doesn't mean he wasn't
Hitting the ground three strides later can - and, in this instance, did - make it obvious that it was a dive, however, and that the touch didn't cause his fall.
Quote from: Statto on August 30, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
Totally agree with Statto. It was a touch that meant he did not go down straight away. Makes me think the yellow was not for the supposed dive, but for dissent .. something he said to the ref. Do we know for sure the second yellow was for simulation?
Quote from: Whitesideup on August 31, 2019, 08:53:45 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 30, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on August 30, 2019, 10:01:33 PM
Parker defending him on TV.
Good
Well done Scotty 049:gif
Perhaps no one on this thread is getting replays. Arter had his achilles touched. Albeit only a light touch, but he should have had a free kick not a yellow card. The worst, but not only, crap decision from a typical Championship ref.
Totally agree with Statto. It was a touch that meant he did not go down straight away. Makes me think the yellow was not for the supposed dive, but for dissent .. something he said to the ref. Do we know for sure the second yellow was for simulation?
The sky commentary said they asked the 4th official exactky that question and that the 4th official confirmed it was for simulation, not dissent
Was he a bit hard done by?
Possibly, but he made it very easy for the ref to send him off.
He made the wrong decision to swallow dive regardless of any contact, footballs not a no contact game.
Not the crime of the century but it affected our chances and I hope he learns from it.
I expect the manager to defend his man in a situation like this by the way.
I agree with what SP said. Arter was touched, foul should have been given, what happened after is irrelevant. Shocking officials. Flint should have been booked at least for his blatent dive to try & get a pen. Mitro´s pen incident was so obvious . He was hauled down & then the Cardiff defender took up the Missionary position.
All note :- it was the Lino that got arter sent off the ref was about to carry on.
Just watched the replay a number of times and I have to say as a standalone moment, if the yellow was for simulation i think the ref got it wrong.
When you're running full pelt like that and someone nudges your standing ankle even in the slightest it can have a genuine knock on effect - your body tends to readjust the energy you're running with whilst also taking a second longer to know it's been knocked out of its stride.
The momentum of running straight whilst trying to readjust the momentum of your leg going away from its intended place is enough to put you off balance a full stride after you've been touched.
I'm suprised more people here aren't acknowledging that as it can be quite common to experience it by being impeded that way, impeding someone that way or watching it happen when playing football.
Suprised the ref took the decision he did.
Quote from: grandad on August 31, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
I agree with what SP said. Arter was touched, foul should have been given, what happened after is irrelevant. Shocking officials. Flint should have been booked at least for his blatent dive to try & get a pen. Mitro´s pen incident was so obvious . He was hauled down & then the Cardiff defender took up the Missionary position.
Has anyone else noticed that sky seem to leave out of their highlight reels any reference to potetial/suspected/disputed penalty appeals - our penalty appeal in this game and also from the nottingham forest game haven't been included
Let's face it, the disgusting intimidation antics of the whole bench of Cardiff, have again succeeded in swaying official's decisions in the game.
They are a disgrace to football.
Every team Colin goes to ends up like this imo.
Quote from: Skatzoffc on August 31, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Let's face it, the disgusting intimidation antics of the whole bench of Cardiff, have again succeeded in swaying official's decisions in the game.
They are a disgrace to football.
Every team Colin goes to ends up like this imo.
Agreed
The media are always talking about how Warnock loves football too much to retire
Sorry but he clearly has no love for the game itself, and just brings it down
Falling over as a result of the slightest of touches is one thing but the petulant over-reaction is another. This kind of behaviour seems to be the stock-in-trade of players like Arter who play on the edge. Mostly it works in his team's favour (witness his performance against Forest) but when it's bad, it's really bad.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 30, 2019, 09:57:29 PM
Quote from: filham on August 30, 2019, 09:46:14 PM
A player picking up two yellows is not a sign of a team in control. We allowed our selves to be brought down to Cardiff's level.
Sorry Scotty things are not going as they should have been.
Disagree. Arter only one not in control.
OK but Arter was playing well and looking like a leader, certainly a key player that will now be missed while serving suspension.
How many games will Arter miss.
Sometimes you have to take players as a package, which may include being a bit of a maverick or a loose cannon.
What you have to ask yourself is, would I want Harry Arter playing for me or against me.
I know what my answer would be.
Quote from: General on August 31, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
Just watched the replay a number of times and I have to say as a standalone moment, if the yellow was for simulation i think the ref got it wrong.
When you're running full pelt like that and someone nudges your standing ankle even in the slightest it can have a genuine knock on effect - your body tends to readjust the energy you're running with whilst also taking a second longer to know it's been knocked out of its stride.
The momentum of running straight whilst trying to readjust the momentum of your leg going away from its intended place is enough to put you off balance a full stride after you've been touched.
I'm suprised more people here aren't acknowledging that as it can be quite common to experience it by being impeded that way, impeding someone that way or watching it happen when playing football.
Suprised the ref took the decision he did.
It's happened to me a few times while out running on rough ground, or even uneven pavement - a foot has caught on something, could be just a stone or raised paving stone, and my momentum has carried me forward as i'm falling, desperate to stay on my feet, until yards after the original trip, I've fallen, as if diving , arms out in front for automatic protection.
So that seems what happened to Arter - he was definitely put off his stride and off the ball by the opponent's contact with his leg, anyway - definitely fouled and should have got a free kick in his favour.
Artur deserved to be sent off and he should use his brain more despite provocation.Scottie in his playing days a perfect example.
Warnock summarised what having a player like Arter in your squad meant on the pitch and in the dressing room for Parker's benefit after the game. It may have been or seemed patronising but I think he was nail on head with his self destructive description of Arter the player certainly as far as the Cardiff game was concerned.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 31, 2019, 06:19:44 PM
Sometimes you have to take players as a package, which may include being a bit of a maverick or a loose cannon.
What you have to ask yourself is, would I want Harry Arter playing for me or against me.
I know what my answer would be.
That's how it is. Let's face it, before Friday night's game, if there was a sweepstake on the next Fulham player to be sent off, the holder of the ticket saying "Harry Arter" would have been feeling quietly confident.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 31, 2019, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: General on August 31, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
Just watched the replay a number of times and I have to say as a standalone moment, if the yellow was for simulation i think the ref got it wrong.
When you're running full pelt like that and someone nudges your standing ankle even in the slightest it can have a genuine knock on effect - your body tends to readjust the energy you're running with whilst also taking a second longer to know it's been knocked out of its stride.
The momentum of running straight whilst trying to readjust the momentum of your leg going away from its intended place is enough to put you off balance a full stride after you've been touched.
I'm suprised more people here aren't acknowledging that as it can be quite common to experience it by being impeded that way, impeding someone that way or watching it happen when playing football.
Suprised the ref took the decision he did.
It's happened to me a few times while out running on rough ground, or even uneven pavement - a foot has caught on something, could be just a stone or raised paving stone, and my momentum has carried me forward as i'm falling, desperate to stay on my feet, until yards after the original trip, I've fallen, as if diving , arms out in front for automatic protection.
So that seems what happened to Arter - he was definitely put off his stride and off the ball by the opponent's contact with his leg, anyway - definitely fouled and should have got a free kick in his favour.
Agreed - also just noticed that the oppositions players leg was across arters body which meant he was having to readjust his right leg and foot and overall running style as a result to get around or over the outstretched leg. If you watch how that affects his right foot after he rakes the stride his foot is off to the side instead of facing straight.
Definitely a foul in my book and the more I look at it the more obvious it is. Especially as the opposition player didn't play or get close to the ball.
One game ban so not end of world, but the wrong decision.
You biased people,our players do what they like!
There's no hope!
I am sure Isaac Newton would be scratching his head reading some of the comments on this thread. The law of gravity pulls the whole of you down to the ground equally all of the time unless you provide at least equal and opposite force. Standing, walking and running demand you use at least equal force to do so. Watch how Arter defies that law if he really didn't deliberately kick both his lower legs up in the air as have, for example, some try scoring rugby players.
