Just cost us this game, sooner he is sitting in the bench the better
Was shocking keeping
have to wonder how many more points he can cost us before being dropped.
Always been a fan of Betts, however Rodak surely deserves his chance now.
Cost us 2 points. Got to be dropped now. Been calling for it for a while.
I like Betts but I Rodak must be wondering why he's not getting a chance right now.
I haven't really seen enough Rodak. Betts is an average keeper that is now having a rough time. If he was better than that then maybe we could give him more chances.
Rodak deserves a chance now
I think he has to be dropped after seeing the goal. Thats shocking.
Did any other players make one mistake today ?
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on September 14, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
Did any other players make one mistake today ?
Yes but the problem is a goal keeper has one job, stop the ball hitting the back of the net at all costs. Flapping a cross and gifting a goal is an mistake which has massive consequence, a misplaced pass often goes unpunished.
The life of a goalie and hence why a mistake prone one costs you goals and ultimately points
Keepers make mistakes. That is life. But Betts is experienced enough not to be put off by the pushing Austin inflicted on him. I wouldn't say Betts is shocking. But he has been, shall we say disappointing. His mistakes of being beaten at near posts and poor at crosses is becoming more than a nuisance.
Quote from: DevonFFC on September 14, 2019, 03:06:32 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on September 14, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
Did any other players make one mistake today ?
Yes but the problem is a goal keeper has one job, stop the ball hitting the back of the net at all costs. Flapping a cross and gifting a goal is an mistake which has massive consequence, a misplaced pass often goes unpunished.
The life of a goalie and hence why a mistake prone one costs you goals and ultimately points
Totally agree. Goalkeeper mistake today, and he rightly deserves the blame. I still think this defense is leaky and always susceptible to corners and close in free kicks. But our goalkeeping needs some improving as well. Tough draw today, two points just pissed away.
Betts is a legend but if he starts the next match it will be an insult to Rodak and the rest of the squad.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on September 14, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
Did any other players make one mistake today ?
Mitro made a mistake of not scoring.
There. Give Rodak a chance and line up a good replacement for Mitro to come off around the 65th min if he fails to score next time.
I cannot defend Betts on this occasion which was such an avoidable goal not to concede. The thing is, if he had any doubt, why did he not shove it over the bar for a corner, and play safe. I am convinced that the presence of Austin unsettled him, but he has not helped himself today. We had enough possession and chances to win 3 0. However, the way we were dominating we have to be more ruthless when putting teams to the sword. Albion are not a bad side and will be in and around the top six.
Slavic pulled a couple of rabbits out of the hat to salvage a point, and the worrying thing is they nearly won it in the end.
That last 20 mins we lost our way, and they freshened up their team, took a few risks, and it payed off.
By then we should have built up a lead, we cannot defend 1 0 leads for half an hour, we are not good enough, and we shouldn't be doing it anyway.
Disappointing as it was 2 points unnecessarily thrown away.
Nevertheless, I was impressed with our play when we had them on the rack, some of our passing movements were sublime.
Plus we have a far better set of players than last years couldn't careless big time Charlie's and Deadwood we we're lumbered with.
So I am reasonably happy, but we need to get back to winning ways, sooner rather than later, to keep up with the leading pack.
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Quote from: Fulham1959 on September 14, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
Did any other players make one mistake today ?
Mitro made a mistake of not scoring.
There. Give Rodak a chance and line up a good replacement for Mitro to come off around the 65th min if he fails to score next time.
A comparable analogy would be, imagine Mitrovic was a bang average Championship striker instead of the best in the league. Imagine he had not impressed all season so far, then made a mistake today which cost us the game, eg a silly sending off. Then imagine we had a young academy lad on the bench who was rated just as highly as Mitrovic, itching to make his debut. Would anyone still be saying Mitrovic should start the next match?
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
I agree with this. It is balanced and sensible. I was at the game and until the goal Betts had done absolutely nothing wrong; not a single misplaced pass, not a fumble, no problems with high balls, nothing. Austin clearly fouled Betts but even as a Betts supporter I agree he should have done better. However some of the criticism from previous games was totally unwarranted and, in the extreme, has amounted to trolling. Should he be replaced for this? Possibly, but if he retains his place I will not be concerned. We also missed two chances to put the game beyond reach in the first half and I don't see anyone arguing we should drop our forwards!
Knockaert made a mistake when crossing the ball for Mitro but I did not mind that
However. Rodak was MotM v Southampton & since then we have conceded 2x league goals. Both stoppable & Betts did not keep them out. If I was Rodak I'd be banging on Parker's door now and enquiring exactly why I was kept @ Fulham & not sent out on loan again. Assuming it is because I'm considered good enough to start then "when boss, if not now?"
Is there anything that Betts can do to warrant dropping him? He has to face around 3 shots per game, he can't make much more than one mistake per game by any reasonable measure.
By the way rodak was the keeper for Rotherham last season - 83 goals conceded and relegated from this league
Just saying
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on September 14, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
By the way rodak was the keeper for Rotherham last season - 83 goals conceded and relegated from this league
Just saying
And Bettinelli couldn't even make it as a starter for a team that conceded 81 goals in 10 fewer games and got relegated.
Just saying 086.gif
Quote from: Statto on September 14, 2019, 03:29:03 PM
Betts is a legend but if he starts the next match it will be an insult to Rodak and the rest of the squad.
He's not a legend far from it that word is used to loosely
Quote from: Statto on September 14, 2019, 03:29:03 PM
Betts is a legend but if he starts the next match it will be an insult to Rodak and the rest of the squad.
He's not even close to being a legend.
My post on The Transfer Window thread from 5 day's ago.
f we are in the top 6 or better when the next window opens and are flirting with the Premier League again.
Not a decision taken lightly,but, we require a huge upgrade in the keeper postion
Missed the game this morning. Look forward to watching it and seeing just how bad things are as everything seems gloom and doom according to everyone.
Betts is rightly getting slaughtered on here today.
I totally agree with whats been said he's not up to standards and he should be dropped now.
However he didn't cost us two points on his own. With the possession we had and the chances we missed, we should have hammered Albion today by three at least.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on September 14, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
By the way rodak was the keeper for Rotherham last season - 83 goals conceded and relegated from this league
Just saying
Yes and Rotherham were favourites to go down because they were rubbish, and his performances meant it was far less than it could've been
Quote from: love4ffc on September 14, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
Missed the game this morning. Look forward to watching it and seeing just how bad things are as everything seems gloom and doom according to everyone.
No gloom and doom I don't think, more frustration and disappointment, which is born out of three salient points that should have been avoided.
1) The Result, we had enough possession and opportunities to win three games.
2) The unfortunate error by Betts that you should only see on a Sunday morning in Division 9. It cost us 2 points.
3). The fact that after all the good work and entertaining football in the first 65 minutes, we then surrender the tempo to Albion, our Application is reduced to a team you don't recognise from the team that took the lead, and to compound the situation, we sit back and lose territory and ambition, and invite them into our final third. It's football suicide.
When things are not going your way, you need a Captain that will inspire and grab the players by the scruff of the neck and say not one step back. But it's not just the fault of the Captain who is no more a Captain than Bert & Ernie are. But he has very few Lieutenants either to back him. That part of Fulhams game falls short of what is acceptable from any manager's point of view. Which is a shame because our passing movements are sublime, and our football and system of play is entertaining and easy on the eye.
Then we spoil it by not getting the basics right.
Having said that, it's a few levels up from the dirge that was dished out last season from players who were only here for their salaries, and couldn't care less.
So I am grateful that we have discarded the Deadwood and the Dogends, whether sold or on loan away in another country, I don't want to see them in a Fulham shirt again either.
As for the current players that's more like it, they are playing for each other and show more commitment, so I am fairly happy, just annoyed that we could not finish them off, when we should have done.
Had we taken half of our first half chances the single goal that Betts let in would be of no consequence.
Cairney's early miss was terrible, is anyone calling for his head.
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players
Quote from: Andy S on September 14, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players
The thing is though, it isn't a witch hunt. It's two obvious errors in two games that have cost us 4 points. If he does it as a one off then fair enough, but twice in two matches is a pattern that we can't afford if we want to go up automatically. Much is made of our defence being allegedly suspect but we restricted them to two speculative efforts on target that anyone could've saved because they were from long distance, and then the glaring error from Betts that resulted in them scoring. If he retains his place then he will cost us more points, think back to last summer when Fabri was given 45 minutes before people wanted his head on a pike, Betts still has people defending him when he's literally giving goals away.
Quote from: Andy S on September 14, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players
Witch hunt...????
How many times have you slagged Christie off?
Betts apologizes on Instagram, "apologies to the fans and the boys for the mistake 2nd half. The boys deserved all 3 points today. Onto next week to put things right. "
I remember back to the 15/16 season when he was all over the place during that end of season 4-3 win against Boro, and other games like Charlton away when he was appealing for offside as the Charlton player nipped in for the equaliser. The simple fact is that Bettenelli has never been a strong, reliable keeper and never will be. Its the club's fault though for never replacing him with an outright no. 1 years ago.
Quote from: filham on September 14, 2019, 05:56:42 PM
Had we taken half of our first half chances the single goal that Betts let in would be of no consequence.
Cairney's early miss was terrible, is anyone calling for his head.
It's not just today. He makes us weaker every week.
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today. TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice. We win together, lose together and draw together.
Quote from: Tabby on September 14, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
Is there anything that Betts can do to warrant dropping him? He has to face around 3 shots per game, he can't make much more than one mistake per game by any reasonable measure.
plus about 50 back passes, with a chance to then misplace a pass - which he didn't.
But, I agree - the goal was his fault.
If Betts starts the next match I will have no problem with that, as he knows the error he made and will be determined to make up for it, sometimes it can be character building. It's times like this when it's one for all, and all for one.
The difference in today's match was goalkeeping. Decordova-Reid could have easily had a couple today but West Brom's keeper made some really nice saves on chances that could have put the match away. Betts had a fairly routine opportunity slip past him and Fulham paid the price. Every match is made of moments that fans focus on. This is going to be one of those moments for Betts and he's had a few negative ones recently. If he stays in goal he's going to need some positive moments to change the way fans see him.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 14, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today. TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice. We win together, lose together and draw together.
:plus one:
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.
COYW
Quote from: Singding on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.
COYW
So incredibly wrong. Ref was absolutely fine today. He's a weak goalkeeper, and needs to be dropped.
Quote from: Chesh on September 14, 2019, 06:25:03 PM
I remember back to the 15/16 season when he was all over the place during that end of season 4-3 win against Boro, and other games like Charlton away when he was appealing for offside as the Charlton player nipped in for the equaliser. The simple fact is that Bettenelli has never been a strong, reliable keeper and never will be. Its the club's fault though for never replacing him with an outright no. 1 years ago.
It tough as keeper when you make mistakes but those simple words sum up what he lacks and I doubt he has the personality or physical attributes to improve enough.
As much as I love Betts cos he's Fulham through and through I have to ask.. out of our starting line up who is our weakest player? I bet if we held a poll Betts would win hands down.
My dad went to see fulham vs soton recently and said Rodak was quality but said his downfall was his distribution. This must be the only thing keeping him out of our team because it's pretty important when you play out from the back but to be honest he must be pretty rubbish with his feet if he's worse than Betts.
Quote from: Andy S on September 14, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players
You see it that way, I see it as a way to upgrade the position's competition.
Betts have shown in the past that if something drastic was done to his career, he can wake up and snatch back his rightful status.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 14, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today. TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice. We win together, lose together and draw together.
Fine but I reckon we'll win more if we're together with Rodak
Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 14, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Betts is not THE reason we dropped 2 points today. TC missed a sitter; Mitro headed over from a reasonably straightforward 2nd half chance; Cav and Knocky didn't do themselves justice. We win together, lose together and draw together.
Let's not forget the foul in the box on Bobby that wasn't given.
Betts needs to be better...but so does the rest of the team.
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Quote from: Singding on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.
COYW
Don't talk twaddle.
I was a keeper,so I always defend them,All he had to do was tip it back over the bar for another corner.
Of course Austin is going to challenge for it that's s strikers job,Betts was weak in the situation I'm afraid.
I did say in the summer we needed to maybe buy another keeper.
Quote from: Andy S on September 14, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Totally agree the witch hunts on here are scandalous. I hope Betts retains his place as will most of the players
As was the scandalous witch hunt against Rico last year ;)
Reading the comments on here its like a player cant have a loss of form, we keep throwing away points to simple deal with ball. As for it was a foul on Betts I'm sure Austin would say he pushed me first so it should have been a penalty.
Austin clearly has his left arm across Betts right arm which would have made it difficult for Betts. Maybe he could have been a bit stronger but I can understand why he was arguing for a foul.
I suppose the doom and gloom merchants were entitled to have a field day after yesterday's loss of two points from a contest with a side rapidly becoming the division's draw specialists, but the reality is that this game gave the more profound supporter something of a clue about the rest of the season. And that clue was entirely positive.
On the face of it the cynics may look at Bettinelli's off balance attempt at diverting a cross cum shot whilst being impeded by Austin, but 'where was the defensive cover?' would be my concern about that. The cynics may also question decision making among forwards who seemingly all wanted to score wonder goals rather than penetrate and destroy their opponents. Knockaert, our goal hero, appeared guilty as charged for much of the game but that is what you should expect from him every game. That is his DNA and it is that that makes him such a dangerous player.
Cairney, who does do wonder goals very well at times, was a bit unfortunate to see his effort rattle the crossbar. And of course there was the fortuitous WBA boot in their penalty area diverting the ball inches over which would probably have ended up in the net had it been at the other end. Sessegnon S. doesn't have his brother's calmness and can get ruffled a little too easily as many a teenager can be. Mawson is not performing as the defender he was claimed to be. We are not using set pieces as well as we should be – we lack height and so we need to work on ways around that. SP needs to keep doing whatever it is he is doing but with more intensity about what happens in the final thirds at both ends, and his tactical use of substitutes.
But the really hopeful clue was in the dynamic build ups and expressions that went with this side's attitude and dominance for large chunks of this game, especially in the goalless first half. Just as the Millwall game was too easy and the Forest game demonstrated our naivety, yesterday's game proved that matches can sometimes prove to be just too elusive. Other games will be more evenly contested and blessed in fortune but this team has shown it definitely has more than one gear and more than one route to goal. And all this was achieved with a certain Mr Arter sitting in the Cottage.
And so, for me, yesterday was a good indication that, all things being equal, we will move steadily into the top three as the season progresses. WBA meantime may be cursing their drawn games.
:plus one: Tosh
We will get stronger as the season progresses.
Long way to go.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 14, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: Singding on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Just seen it, blatant foul! You jump to deal with a cross and get pushed in the chest, you're bound to make a mess of the cross! Shocking to hear people slagging him off for an incident which should have resulted in a yellow card for Austin, the dirty pr*ck. Yet again poor refereeing has cost us. If we had VAR this season we'd be at least five points better off.
COYW
So incredibly wrong. Ref was absolutely fine today. He's a weak goalkeeper, and needs to be dropped.
It was a foul (whatever your opinion of Betts) so why is Singding "so incredibly wrong"? Ok moot point as to whether it was a yellow, but a foul? Of course it was.
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 15, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
I suppose the doom and gloom merchants were entitled to have a field day after yesterday's loss of two points from a contest with a side rapidly becoming the division's draw specialists, but the reality is that this game gave the more profound supporter something of a clue about the rest of the season. And that clue was entirely positive.
On the face of it the cynics may look at Bettinelli's off balance attempt at diverting a cross cum shot whilst being impeded by Austin, but 'where was the defensive cover?' would be my concern about that. The cynics may also question decision making among forwards who seemingly all wanted to score wonder goals rather than penetrate and destroy their opponents. Knockaert, our goal hero, appeared guilty as charged for much of the game but that is what you should expect from him every game. That is his DNA and it is that that makes him such a dangerous player.
Cairney, who does do wonder goals very well at times, was a bit unfortunate to see his effort rattle the crossbar. And of course there was the fortuitous WBA boot in their penalty area diverting the ball inches over which would probably have ended up in the net had it been at the other end. Sessegnon S. doesn't have his brother's calmness and can get ruffled a little too easily as many a teenager can be. Mawson is not performing as the defender he was claimed to be. We are not using set pieces as well as we should be – we lack height and so we need to work on ways around that. SP needs to keep doing whatever it is he is doing but with more intensity about what happens in the final thirds at both ends, and his tactical use of substitutes.
But the really hopeful clue was in the dynamic build ups and expressions that went with this side's attitude and dominance for large chunks of this game, especially in the goalless first half. Just as the Millwall game was too easy and the Forest game demonstrated our naivety, yesterday's game proved that matches can sometimes prove to be just too elusive. Other games will be more evenly contested and blessed in fortune but this team has shown it definitely has more than one gear and more than one route to goal. And all this was achieved with a certain Mr Arter sitting in the Cottage.
And so, for me, yesterday was a good indication that, all things being equal, we will move steadily into the top three as the season progresses. WBA meantime may be cursing their drawn games.
Apart from the "more profound" :plus one:
seemed to me our forwards missed a hatful of chances that they really should have put away and betts was clearly inteferred with for their goal. he should have done better, for sure but it was the forwards not him that killed us for not being clinical.
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Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
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Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
Really? https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
My main issue with Bette "not-on-your"nelli is how he constantly slows the game down when the attack is playing the ball around quickly - he is in his own world pretending he is confident on the ball when he isn't, pedantically taking an age to kick the ball 3 yards to a foolhardy defender who comes back for the ball and encourages Betts to pursue his false bravado. Ever since the rule change allowing short goal kicks more and more 'keepers are slowing the game down and bringing the opposition deep into one's half, which makes it harder to play out.
Parker is usually astute at seeing short-comings but he still has not addressed this issue. One cannot have two parts of the team playing at different tempos.
It was a foul but Fulham should always have a 'minder' on one's goalkeeper, especially a tattooed, cross-eyed, pirate yob like Charlie Austin barging into the 'keeper while the rest of the defence seems oblivious and then hitting him to cause the mistake.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 15, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
And so, for me, yesterday was a good indication that, all things being equal, we will move steadily into the top three as the season progresses.
I wish I shared your optimism, but right now I can't. It just wasn't this game v West Brom, but several others so far this season where FFC has absolutely left points on the table, at least 7 in total so far, maybe more.
For me to share as you do, I really need to see 2-3 games in a row of quality, including max point obtainment outings.
COYW!!
Quote from: WindyCity on September 15, 2019, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 15, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
And so, for me, yesterday was a good indication that, all things being equal, we will move steadily into the top three as the season progresses.
I wish I shared your optimism, but right now I can't. It just wasn't this game v West Brom, but several others so far this season where FFC has absolutely left points on the table, at least 7 in total so far, maybe more.
For me to share as you do, I really need to see 2-3 games in a row of quality, including max point obtainment outings.
COYW!!
Please do not get my message wrong. I am as disappointed as you are about the points literally thrown away, but the fact is the message that we are not getting those points from matches we should have got those points from is much better than saying we didn't deserve anything from those games which was the tale told in our promotion season. I am simply looking for improvements as each game comes and goes, and, for the last three there have been enough to keep my spirits higher than they have been watching FFC since that promotion season. We not at the optimum level but, barring silly kneejerks, we are, IMHO, on track to be there well before Xmas (for once).
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Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
Really? https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
Passing it 2 yards to Mawson isn't hard.
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he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
Really? https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
Passing it 2 yards to Mawson isn't hard.
No, it isn't hard. But his distribution yesterday is recorded at 100% accuracy. Fact or fiction?
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Quote from: LittleErn on September 15, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
Really? https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
Passing it 2 yards to Mawson isn't hard.
No, it isn't hard. But his distribution yesterday is recorded at 100% accuracy. Fact or fiction?
Yes, because none of his goal kicks left our own half.
He has to resort to this, because his distribution is shocking. If you went to games instead of relying on facts, you'd know.
I go to games and IMO his distribution is fine.
Where he plays it short, I suspect that's a tactical instruction rather than his own personal choice. Same goes for the alleged "time-wasting".
His problem is the more basic stuff - he's just not a great shotstopper, and can't deal with crosses.
Quote from: Statto on September 15, 2019, 10:57:14 PM
I go to games and IMO his distribution is fine.
Where he plays it short, I suspect that's a tactical instruction rather than his own personal choice. Same goes for the alleged "time-wasting".
His problem is the more basic stuff - he's just not a great shotstopper, and can't deal with crosses.
Reckon with Rodak in goal, the more direct route to Knockaert or Cavaleiro may be used. We play it short I agree because of Parker, but also because Bettinelli can't distribute the ball more than 5 yards.
I would agree that he's been off the mark lately. I also would like to see Rodak. However, the goal he conceded shouldn't have happened because he should expect that physicality, and instead was acting as if a foul should've been called. That's where his focus was - and that is what was shocking to see. It was the most basic of not being switched on. He got caught out - and it cost us dearly. I hope Parker addresses that lack of focus for the next match.
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Quote from: LittleErn on September 15, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
Really? https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
Passing it 2 yards to Mawson isn't hard.
No, it isn't hard. But his distribution yesterday is recorded at 100% accuracy. Fact or fiction?
Yes, because none of his goal kicks left our own half.
He has to resort to this, because his distribution is shocking. If you went to games instead of relying on facts, you'd know.
think back to Sat. Which keeper's distribution was poor and attracted derisory jeers? Not Betts was it. And I go to virtually all home games ans some aways. Facts not Fiction says your handle........hmmmm? Maybe Pride and Prejudice might suit.
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Quote from: LittleErn on September 15, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bahay18 on September 14, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
he was actually having a good game until then . On the goal he decided to get in a fight with austin rather than watch the ball . Austin definitely shoved him but no chance the ref would see that . For sure he is running out of chances . That said , i think the manager was more at fault . We lost the midfield after 60 mins after their changes and we needed another tackler in the middle. Bobby reid wasn't in it and should have been replaced . Could have also taken off knockhaert or cav , both stopped tracking back and went missing after we scored. Interesting knockhaert said after the game they thought it was game over at 1-0 and thats exactly what it looked like. Hopefully a bit of international week hangover and we get back to it next week.
+1 - Betts isn't a strong enough presence - though he is an integral part of our playing out from the back and does that well.
His distribution is awful.
Really? https://www.fulhamfc.com/first-team/2019_2020/league/home/west-bromwich-albion#matchstatistics
Passing it 2 yards to Mawson isn't hard.
No, it isn't hard. But his distribution yesterday is recorded at 100% accuracy. Fact or fiction?
Yes, because none of his goal kicks left our own half.
He has to resort to this, because his distribution is shocking. If you went to games instead of relying on facts, you'd know.
think back to Sat. Which keeper's distribution was poor and attracted derisory jeers? Not Betts was it. And I go to virtually all home games ans some aways. Facts not Fiction says your handle........hmmmm? Maybe Pride and Prejudice might suit.
If you honestly think Bettinelli is a good distributor of the ball, then there is no point in arguing my point as you're just lying to yourself.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 16, 2019, 08:19:51 AM
If you honestly think Bettinelli is a good distributor of the ball, then there is no point in arguing my point as you're just lying to yourself.
That's a terribly weak argument, basically saying that if people don't agree with you then you won't bother discussing. What's the point of being on a discussion forum then?
It is actually the players who are not in possession who make it possible for the player in possession to be a good distributor of the ball. It takes at least two players to make a good pass possible in any team sport.
think back to Sat. Which keeper's distribution was poor and attracted derisory jeers? Not Betts was it. And I go to virtually all home games ans some aways. Facts not Fiction says your handle........hmmmm? Maybe Pride and Prejudice might suit.
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Betts does not make saves like Johnstone (?) did. Nor the Forest keeper making multiple saves. He conceded a goal v Barnsley that I'd be embarassed for my U15s to concede. Cardiff goal was poor.
Too many points given up by not making saves, sod the distribution, it's a minor factor here and not hugely relevant to why he should play. He has one of the lowest save ratios in the division (and we've conceded the least amount of shots on target).
I'm a big fan of Parker, but will be a little bit gutted if Betts starts next game.
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 16, 2019, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 16, 2019, 08:19:51 AM
If you honestly think Bettinelli is a good distributor of the ball, then there is no point in arguing my point as you're just lying to yourself.
That's a terribly weak argument, basically saying that if people don't agree with you then you won't bother discussing. What's the point of being on a discussion forum then?
His distribution is poor, that's a fact. Watching the 1 game of Rodak further emphasised the point.
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 16, 2019, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 16, 2019, 08:19:51 AM
If you honestly think Bettinelli is a good distributor of the ball, then there is no point in arguing my point as you're just lying to yourself.
That's a terribly weak argument, basically saying that if people don't agree with you then you won't bother discussing. What's the point of being on a discussion forum then?
+1
I agree with FNF's overriding point that Rodak should start next match but clearly there's no evidence to support the distribution point
Quote from: Jim© on September 16, 2019, 09:33:45 AM
Betts does not make saves like Johnstone (?) did. Nor the Forest keeper making multiple saves. He conceded a goal v Barnsley that I'd be embarassed for my U15s to concede. Cardiff goal was poor.
Too many points given up by not making saves, sod the distribution, it's a minor factor here and not hugely relevant to why he should play. He has one of the lowest save ratios in the division (and we've conceded the least amount of shots on target).
I'm a big fan of Parker, but will be a little bit gutted if Betts starts next game.
+100, exactly my thoughts on the debate
Quote from: Matt10 on September 16, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
However, the goal he conceded shouldn't have happened because he should expect that physicality, and instead was acting as if a foul should've been called.
I don't know if it's been mentioned already in this thread (there's a lot of drivel already on these 4 pages that I don't have the time or energy to go back re-reading) but I feel it's worth picking on that point of the Austin foul on Betts.
I'm not surprised that it didn't get picked up on and if you can watch the incident back frame by frame you can clearly see Austin's arm is holding down Bett's right arm - the arm he would have used to catch the ball or push it over the cross bar.
However, for me the bigger issue is why there is not an outfield player marking up Austin. It's Austin who has a free header from a corner about 5 mins later which he probably should have scored so clearly we didn't address this issue at all. Something bigger has gone wrong here then anything to do with Bett's. It looks like it should have been Mitro marking Austin but I can't tell for sure. You can't let a target man like Austin roam around the box unmarked at corners that's for sure.
You need to have a player on Austin to give the keeper some breathing space, that's the reason we've conceded that goal.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 15, 2019, 10:25:57 PM
Yes, because none of his goal kicks left our own half.
He has to resort to this, because his distribution is shocking. If you went to games instead of relying on facts, you'd know.
You're talking absolute nonsense once again.
Half of passing or distribution, is picking successful options. If he's not missed one then quite frankly that backs up his decision making in where to pass the ball. Who gives one about how far that ball is travelling.
I didn't see a foul on Betts at the time and watching it again, i still can't see anything that would constitute a foul...
It's frustrating that he just palmed it onto the head of the WBA player, but I still find myself backing Bettinelli and hoping that he starts the next game. Why is that?
One comment in this thread mentions the 'witch hunt' against Rico last season and i have to confess that every time his name was announced on the team sheet i would groan and grumble - how much harder could he try to get dropped without actually being dropped?!!
I think my continued support for Betts is based on the following:
1 - That promotion season! Bettinelli coming into the side coincides with our upturn in fortunes (in my head anyway!)
2 - The Academy factor - one of our own etc.
3 - I thought that, aside from the obvious mistake, he played pretty well on Saturday, commanding the box well and not giving away possession unnecessarily. The Cardiff goal looks a bit bad, but if the ball bobbles over your arm, what can you do?
Maybe my bias is just too strong, but i think Betts deserves a bit more time... COYW!
Ill revert to stats I used last Friday- Betts has a very low % of shots saved v shots faced. Wigan, Luton and Stoke have lower %.
We have the most shots on target- 72.5%.
I also saw that Marcus Bettinelli - The Championship spectator. Fulham's 27-year-old stopper has been the least busy man in the division when it comes to shots faced per 90 minutes- 1.69. Yet we're conceding almost a goal a game. Not great stats really.
He should have stopped the Cardiff goal. It was poor goalkeeping against WBA but Austen should be marked with aplayer not allowing him to bully our keeper and blocking his closeness to Betinneli. Without these 2 mistakes we could have had 4 more points. Its harsh I know. Think his distribution has been fine and I thought he was playing well until the goal. Its going to be difficult to keep concetration levels high whoevr our gK is ,playing in a team with 70 per cent possession and little to do. Should he be dropped ? Well that depends on how well Rodak has been doing in training.
I don't know if Betts deserves to be dropped, but "Rodak seems Ready" (top keeper Fabri left to a Liga A team to get on the bench so Rodak must be good) and Betts is not doing enough to stop a keeper commanding his place in the starting XI.
Fabri was playing Champions League well and yet he was number three goalkeeper, Rodak must be a very good keeper to get ahead of him and based on the Southampton game it seems he might be. Betts hasn't made so many mistakes, but with Rodak as competition he cannot make any half mistakes; Betts has made a two half mistakes and one full mistake in the last three games. "Rodak is Ready" must be considered.
Re Betts Saturday ,I want my keeper taking responsibility going through players and either punching away or claiming it,it's about letting everyone in the box it's your area and it's something he's week at doing ,also with coaching on training pitch something that can be put right;
Quote from: Matt10 on September 16, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
I would agree that he's been off the mark lately. I also would like to see Rodak. However, the goal he conceded shouldn't have happened because he should expect that physicality, and instead was acting as if a foul should've been called. That's where his focus was - and that is what was shocking to see. It was the most basic of not being switched on. He got caught out - and it cost us dearly. I hope Parker addresses that lack of focus for the next match.
I agree and disagree with this at the same time.
For sure Bettinelli's response after the goal was conceded seemed an inappropriate reaction given the nature of Austin's 'foul' which simply should not have been allowed to happen in a well organised and methodical defensive formation. Who is responsible for protecting the goalkeeper at set pieces other than Bettinelli? Did he or anyone else (e.g. captain) communicate the danger? Was anyone actually taking a defenders view of the dangers? The flapped save was because he was off balance from the timing of Austin's shove - he is on the wrong foot and unable to get the height and position needed to catch the ball rather than flap at it.
The other issues around this incident is that the team - overall - lost control of the match after it proving that confidence is not exactly at its optimum. Many things to consider other than the goalkeeping error that will not necessarily be solved by switching goalkeepers. The defence needs a lot of work on it because, lacking height, it needs a dominant personality enforcing and commanding it.
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Quote from: Matt10 on September 16, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
I would agree that he's been off the mark lately. I also would like to see Rodak. However, the goal he conceded shouldn't have happened because he should expect that physicality, and instead was acting as if a foul should've been called. That's where his focus was - and that is what was shocking to see. It was the most basic of not being switched on. He got caught out - and it cost us dearly. I hope Parker addresses that lack of focus for the next match.
I agree and disagree with this at the same time.
For sure Bettinelli's response after the goal was conceded seemed an inappropriate reaction given the nature of Austin's 'foul' which simply should not have been allowed to happen in a well organised and methodical defensive formation. Who is responsible for protecting the goalkeeper at set pieces other than Bettinelli? Did he or anyone else (e.g. captain) communicate the danger? Was anyone actually taking a defenders view of the dangers? The flapped save was because he was off balance from the timing of Austin's shove - he is on the wrong foot and unable to get the height and position needed to catch the ball rather than flap at it.
The other issues around this incident is that the team - overall - lost control of the match after it proving that confidence is not exactly at its optimum. Many things to consider other than the goalkeeping error that will not necessarily be solved by switching goalkeepers. The defence needs a lot of work on it because, lacking height, it needs a dominant personality enforcing and commanding it.
Agree we should've had a man on Austin but it wasn't a foul and Betts should've been able to tip it over the bar. No excuse for not doing so.
Think it's time for Rodak. Take Betts out the firing line.
I prefer to keep Betts, since he has finally looked like he is able to contribute to our possession game. That is very important to our play, and I believe the number of weak performances are not par for the course, but rather a bad spell. He will not let in soft goals every game.
This is also partly due to me not knowing much about Rodak, but no-one seem to be claiming that distribution is his strong side.
Agree that Betts has improved his distribution and that it's vital to have that for working out of the back. Also agree he should not be dropped currently. I do however think that it would be important to bring an experienced keeper in the January window. If for no other reason than to give Betts better competition for the number 1 spot.
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 17, 2019, 11:09:42 AM
He will not let in soft goals every game.
No doubt many of us will have different definitions of the term "soft goal" but IMO he's let in soft goals in 5 out of 7 games so far, and in the other two games combined, he only faced one shot on target
It's perhaps also worth noting that had we played the season so far with no goalkeeper at all, we'd still have 9 pts currently
Quote from: toshes mate on September 17, 2019, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on September 16, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
I would agree that he's been off the mark lately. I also would like to see Rodak. However, the goal he conceded shouldn't have happened because he should expect that physicality, and instead was acting as if a foul should've been called. That's where his focus was - and that is what was shocking to see. It was the most basic of not being switched on. He got caught out - and it cost us dearly. I hope Parker addresses that lack of focus for the next match.
I agree and disagree with this at the same time.
For sure Bettinelli's response after the goal was conceded seemed an inappropriate reaction given the nature of Austin's 'foul' which simply should not have been allowed to happen in a well organised and methodical defensive formation. Who is responsible for protecting the goalkeeper at set pieces other than Bettinelli? Did he or anyone else (e.g. captain) communicate the danger? Was anyone actually taking a defenders view of the dangers? The flapped save was because he was off balance from the timing of Austin's shove - he is on the wrong foot and unable to get the height and position needed to catch the ball rather than flap at it.
The other issues around this incident is that the team - overall - lost control of the match after it proving that confidence is not exactly at its optimum. Many things to consider other than the goalkeeping error that will not necessarily be solved by switching goalkeepers. The defence needs a lot of work on it because, lacking height, it needs a dominant personality enforcing and commanding it.
Agreed, we should have had someone on Austin. Didn't make sense to me either.
I understand why he made poor contact with the ball. I just think in the split moment he's worried about Austin, he should be worried about the ball. Before the ball was kicked he was protesting to the referee as well. This did not seem to be where his focus should've been - but that's where it was at.
Lack of off-the-ball focus aside, he then has another opportunity to either punch or push the ball behind him, but instead he flops it sideways and in a more threatening spot. His hand is not facing to slap the ball backwards for another corner, nor is it in a fist position to punch it. I don't think it is a technique issue. I think it was him losing focus at the wrong time. Keepers practice for being out of balance and wrong-footed. The push/shove and physical alteractions are already expected when you step on the pitch. He got caught out being worried about that instead.
I wouldn't mind Rodak, but I also don't mind Betts. Keepers have to be focused 100% of the time, especially when they are not under threat very often in a match. Betts didn't pass that test in that scenario. However, it's sports; you will always have another chance - but it's up to Parker for when those chances have run out, or if he just needs a mental break.
Probably just my unpopular opinion but I don't think we've had a top quality keeper at the club since Schwarzer left.
All good teams are built from the back with a good spine and we've lacked that quality number 1 for some time. Now that may be down to coaching as I've not seen many Fulham keepers be able to catch a ball in the 6 yard box for the last few years, the punch/palm seems to have taken over from the fist and catch.
Either way, as long as we look like we are unlikely to keep many clean sheets this season, then our promotion aspirations are going to suffer.
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 17, 2019, 11:09:42 AM
He will not let in soft goals every game.
No doubt many of us will have different definitions of the term "soft goal" but IMO he's let in soft goals in 5 out of 7 games so far, and in the other two games combined, he only faced one shot on target
It's perhaps also worth noting that had we played the season so far with no goalkeeper at all, we'd still have 9 pts currently
We would be on 19 points now if both keepers in our games let every "shot on target" into the net. We have had more shots on target every game, except Barnsley.
"Rodak is Ready" makes the decision to drop Betts a no-brainer. Betts might not deserve to be dropped, but Rodak deserves his chance.
Ray Clemence was a great keeper for England that was dropped in favour of Peter Shilton, because Shilton was even better.
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on September 17, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
Probably just my unpopular opinion but I don't think we've had a top quality keeper at the club since Schwarzer left.
All good teams are built from the back with a good spine and we've lacked that quality number 1 for some time. Now that may be down to coaching as I've not seen many Fulham keepers be able to catch a ball in the 6 yard box for the last few years, the punch/palm seems to have taken over from the fist and catch.
Either way, as long as we look like we are unlikely to keep many clean sheets this season, then our promotion aspirations are going to suffer.
Agree - We were blessed with a number of quality keepers for a period, Taylor, EVDS, Niemi & Schwarzer were all top class ... even Crossley & Keller weren't too bad. Since that period Rico, Betts, Stockdale, Lonergan aren't awful keepers – but nor are they particularly great either. Hopefully Rodak will hark back to being closer the standard of the 1st group listed (optimistic I know)
Quote from: Two Ton Ted on September 17, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
Probably just my unpopular opinion but I don't think we've had a top quality keeper at the club since Schwarzer left.
All good teams are built from the back with a good spine and we've lacked that quality number 1 for some time. Now that may be down to coaching as I've not seen many Fulham keepers be able to catch a ball in the 6 yard box for the last few years, the punch/palm seems to have taken over from the fist and catch.
Don't see it as an unpopular opinion, as imo we haven't had a consistently decent keeper since Schwarzer
I dislike the headline here
Betts is not shocking . Indeed I think his distribution is improving
But Rodak could be better
The telling moment for me was not when he conceded the goal but earlier when he got a load and genuine round of applause for intercepting and catching the ball . Something that we should be taking for granted
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Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 17, 2019, 11:09:42 AM
He will not let in soft goals every game.
No doubt many of us will have different definitions of the term "soft goal" but IMO he's let in soft goals in 5 out of 7 games so far, and in the other two games combined, he only faced one shot on target
It's perhaps also worth noting that had we played the season so far with no goalkeeper at all, we'd still have 9 pts currently
The first part here is of course subjective, I agree with that. The second part I believe is not noteworthy at all, since that is most likely not how things would have worked out if we didn't play a goalkeeper.
