Is it time to visit the well again?
A possibility of promotion requires careful planning and learning from our last diasterous sojourn in the Premier League do we need to invest in the squad this Christmas?
Got my own ideas where to begin.
We do have the Sess money to reinvest & should use it to buy a few PL ready players. This is what Wolves did. We do not want to end up like our last promotion with the loan players returning & left with a bare bones squad. Some of our loanees may be available to purchase provided we do gain promotion as this was a condition of their loan.
I don't think we'll have the budget to do much at all in January
Even if we go up, I suspect any leftover "Sess money" will be quickly swallowed up by the cost of making Cavaliero, Knockaert, Arter and possibly Reed and/or Reid permanent in the summer
I also both hope and expect that once Hector signs, 6-7 of that starting XI will be in our PL starting XI if we get promoted anyway
Quote from: grandad on October 02, 2019, 10:39:19 AM
We do have the Sess money to reinvest & should use it to buy a few PL ready players. This is what Wolves did. We do not want to end up like our last promotion with the loan players returning & left with a bare bones squad. Some of our loanees may be available to purchase provided we do gain promotion as this was a condition of their loan.
I think all of them had a loan to permanent deal when they signed, I'm not sure of the conditions but I would assume we'd probably have to buy them all when we're promoted.
TK seems to have learnt his lesson this time and also avoided developing potential premiere league opponents
young players for them
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
I don't think we'll have the budget to do much at all
I also both hope and expect that once Hector signs, 6-7 of that starting XI will be in our PL starting XI if we get promoted anyway
Statto - we discussed the Ryan Sess fee before and TK said in the promo video that he was not prepared to spend it before it was in his pocket - thus the Hector deal was deferred.
That being the case we maybe have the Ryan Sess fee minus what Chelski are going to get for Hector
What I don't think is that it should be spent for the sake of it but if something tasty comes along I hope TK has the fire-power to do a deal
I notice Mounie can't get a game at the moment at Huddersfield. I'd add him as a striker if the price is minimal to be honest. Always thought in a better team, he could do better and his stock is clearly down. I wouldn't be against making any of our loans permanent in thsi window if possible as well. All have been good assets.
Quote from: Roberty on October 02, 2019, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
I don't think we'll have the budget to do much at all
I also both hope and expect that once Hector signs, 6-7 of that starting XI will be in our PL starting XI if we get promoted anyway
Statto - we discussed the Ryan Sess fee before and TK said in the promo video that he was not prepared to spend it before it was in his pocket - thus the Hector deal was deferred.
That being the case we maybe have the Ryan Sess fee minus what Chelski are going to get for Hector
What I don't think is that it should be spent for the sake of it but if something tasty comes along I hope TK has the fire-power to do a deal
I agree we may have some residual "Sess money" (see my edited post above) but I suspect that's earmarked for signing the loanees we already have
The way the Bobby Reid announcement was worded, I wouldn't be surprised if we've an obligation (not just a right) to make that signing permanent in due course. If so, together with Hector, that would be almost all the Sess money spent, before we even get on to buying Arter, Reed, Cavaleiro and Knockaert
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
I don't think we'll have the budget to do much at all in January
Even if we go up, I suspect any leftover "Sess money" will be quickly swallowed up by the cost of making Cavaliero, Knockaert, Arter and possibly Reed and/or Reid permanent in the summer
I also both hope and expect that once Hector signs, 6-7 of that starting XI will be in our PL starting XI if we get promoted anyway
The signings of Arter, Cava, Knockaert and Reed will be financed by the promotion income most likely. If we don't go up, we'll likely see the departure of many players too, so money shouldn't be an issue promotion or no promotion.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 02, 2019, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
I don't think we'll have the budget to do much at all in January
Even if we go up, I suspect any leftover "Sess money" will be quickly swallowed up by the cost of making Cavaliero, Knockaert, Arter and possibly Reed and/or Reid permanent in the summer
I also both hope and expect that once Hector signs, 6-7 of that starting XI will be in our PL starting XI if we get promoted anyway
The signings of Arter, Cava, Knockaert and Reed will be financed by the promotion income most likely. If we don't go up, we'll likely see the departure of many players too, so money shouldn't be an issue promotion or no promotion.
bobby reid doesnt have an option as far as I'm aware, and when he signed he even said he loves cardiff but wont play for warnock who is in his last year. Granted things can change, but he looks a better option than cav to me at the moment
Quote from: fulhamben on October 02, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
bobby reid doesnt have an option as far as I'm aware, and when he signed he even said he loves cardiff but wont play for warnock who is in his last year. Granted things can change, but he looks a better option than cav to me at the moment
As per the official announcement, the deal can be made permanent. Unless they mean in the sense that anything may happen in the future (which I find unlikely for them to include) there is an option. If I recall correctly, Reid also stated that he had wanted to go to Fulham for a while, so doesn't strike me as someone wanting to go back.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 02, 2019, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 02, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
bobby reid doesnt have an option as far as I'm aware, and when he signed he even said he loves cardiff but wont play for warnock who is in his last year. Granted things can change, but he looks a better option than cav to me at the moment
As per the official announcement, the deal can be made permanent. Unless they mean in the sense that anything may happen in the future (which I find unlikely for them to include) there is an option. If I recall correctly, Reid also stated that he had wanted to go to Fulham for a while, so doesn't strike me as someone wanting to go back.
he might have just been diplomatic at the time. Hopefully he bags a goal soon to really kick off his season
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 02, 2019, 10:53:45 AM
I notice Mounie can't get a game at the moment at Huddersfield. I'd add him as a striker if the price is minimal to be honest. Always thought in a better team, he could do better and his stock is clearly down. I wouldn't be against making any of our loans permanent in thsi window if possible as well. All have been good assets.
Guesses are that Harrison Reed wouldn't cost much to convert to permanent and worthwhile regardless of which league we are in.
The question for me is SHOULD we sign Arter, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Reed on a permanent if we're promoted? We would be spending a lot of money without strengthening the squad at all. Are they really PL quality players? Their previous clubs didn't seem to think so.
On another note: With regards to budgets and FFP aren't we still 'paying' for Seri and Anguissa? Unless they can be sold at a profit (and they won't) can't those signings still cripple us financially for some time yet? I really hope we don't plan on bringing them back for the PL. That would surely ruin morale? If they're not interested in fighting for us in the Championship they can get lost as far as I'm concerned, no matter how good they are.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 02, 2019, 12:30:08 PM
The question for me is SHOULD we sign Arter, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Reed on a permanent if we're promoted? We would be spending a lot of money without strengthening the squad at all. Are they really PL quality players? Their previous clubs didn't seem to think so.
On another note: With regards to budgets and FFP aren't we still 'paying' for Seri and Anguissa? Unless they can be sold at a profit (and they won't) can't those signings still cripple us financially for some time yet? I really hope we don't plan on bringing them back for the PL. That would surely ruin morale? If they're not interested in fighting for us in the Championship they can get lost as far as I'm concerned, no matter how good they are.
I think the more correct statement would be that we would be paying that money in order to not weaken our promotion team. Alternatively, we can of course try to go the route we did last time, with having to acquire 10 + players just to have a squad. I know what I prefer.
The January window is 3 months away Let us wait a couple of months and see how this squad develops, a lot can change in that time. Players on the fringe now could be looking better than anything we can attract to the club when the window opens.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 02, 2019, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 02, 2019, 12:30:08 PM
The question for me is SHOULD we sign Arter, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Reed on a permanent if we're promoted? We would be spending a lot of money without strengthening the squad at all. Are they really PL quality players? Their previous clubs didn't seem to think so.
I think the more correct statement would be that we would be paying that money in order to not weaken our promotion team. Alternatively, we can of course try to go the route we did last time, with having to acquire 10 + players just to have a squad. I know what I prefer.
Agreed. I take the point that Brighton and Wolves themselves aren't exactly setting the PL on fire, but nonetheless, for a first season or two back in the PL, I'd rather have Arter, Knockaert and Cavaliero than have to integrate and gamble on high profile new signings like Anguissa, Schurrle and Vietto.
The question for me is SHOULD we sign Arter, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Reed on a permanent if we're promoted? We would be spending a lot of money without strengthening the squad at all. Are they really PL quality players? Their previous clubs didn't seem to think so.
Good point, I always think back to our first game in The Premier League against Crystal Palace at The Cottage. A 0-2 loss and the seeds of doubt regarding our ability to survive were sown.
We were expected to put in a performance and possibly win and in reality were taken down professionally by a well drilled middle of the table team.
From our current line up, who would have got into that CP team----- Mitro, Tom errrrrrr
Quote from: Fernhurst on October 02, 2019, 01:42:02 PM
The question for me is SHOULD we sign Arter, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Reed on a permanent if we're promoted? We would be spending a lot of money without strengthening the squad at all. Are they really PL quality players? Their previous clubs didn't seem to think so.
Good point, I always think back to our first game in The Premier League against Crystal Palace at The Cottage. A 0-2 loss and the seeds of doubt regarding our ability to survive were sown.
We were expected to put in a performance and possibly win and in reality were taken down professionally by a well drilled middle of the table team.
From our current line up, who would have got into that CP team----- Mitro, Tom errrrrrr
We had 7 new players making their debut that day, plus Christie who was making only his second start for the club. I think that was the real problem, rather than the quality of the team.
But to answer your question, from the starting XI that day I'd still say Bettinelli, Odoi (at RB), Mawson, Arter and Knockaert are better than Fabri, Christie, MLM, McDonald and Sessegnon respectively.
I'd also consider Hector, Cavaliero and Reed over Chambers (at CB), Schurrle and Seri, although I accept that Chambers, Schurrle and Seri have more potential.
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 02, 2019, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 02, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
bobby reid doesnt have an option as far as I'm aware, and when he signed he even said he loves cardiff but wont play for warnock who is in his last year. Granted things can change, but he looks a better option than cav to me at the moment
As per the official announcement, the deal can be made permanent. Unless they mean in the sense that anything may happen in the future (which I find unlikely for them to include) there is an option. If I recall correctly, Reid also stated that he had wanted to go to Fulham for a while, so doesn't strike me as someone wanting to go back.
Cardiff local press also said the following after an interview with Warnock:
"Reid joined Fulham on an initial season-long loan, which it is understood will eventually become a permanent move. Warnock revealed the deal will see Cardiff make a £1.5million profit on their £8.5m outlay last summer."
Scottie wants to sign Jonjo Shelvey in January.
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2019, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on October 02, 2019, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on October 02, 2019, 12:30:08 PM
The question for me is SHOULD we sign Arter, Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Reed on a permanent if we're promoted? We would be spending a lot of money without strengthening the squad at all. Are they really PL quality players? Their previous clubs didn't seem to think so.
I think the more correct statement would be that we would be paying that money in order to not weaken our promotion team. Alternatively, we can of course try to go the route we did last time, with having to acquire 10 + players just to have a squad. I know what I prefer.
Agreed. I take the point that Brighton and Wolves themselves aren't exactly setting the PL on fire, but nonetheless, for a first season or two back in the PL, I'd rather have Arter, Knockaert and Cavaliero than have to integrate and gamble on high profile new signings like Anguissa, Schurrle and Vietto.
Echoing others on here these loan deals with a FIXED cost to sign them shows lessons learnt from the past. There should be no Southampton/Targett situation where we can't sign these existing players for a reasonable fee.
Additionally, I think keeping that existing squad we had would have had a far better chance in staying up as they had already gelled. Next time around, the additions should be (and should have been) minimal.
Charlton 1 up after 66 seconds. Saturday won't be a walk over.
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Watching this game to give me a heads up on both these sides.
Swansea playing a mature kind of game which will suit us more when we play them I believe.
Charlton have a young side who have not stoped sprinting in this first half hour (hope Scott is at the gameBTW) Bowyer really has them wired. Stand out player so far is Conor Gallagher, 19 year old Chelsea loanee, real live wire in midfield.
They very much like the high press, Mawson and Ream may not have the normal amount of time they are used to.
Impressed so far, but we should have enough nous and firepower to manage them if we can keep them quiet in the initial stages.
Charlton 1-2 Swansea
Swan's more serious and technical approach paying off...... who is Selena in midfield for Swansea, been impressive along with Joe Rodon at centre back. Charlton looking a bit tired now
Quote from: fulhamben on October 02, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
bobby reid doesnt have an option as far as I'm aware, and when he signed he even said he loves cardiff but wont play for warnock who is in his last year. Granted things can change, but he looks a better option than cav to me at the moment
Within his first interview Reid not only said he had always wanted to play for FFC but that he felt FFC didn't even know
he was available. I took that to mean there were wheels within wheels working to get him here. Perhaps the diplomacy was for the sake of any fans he was leaving behind ... just a thought.
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