So, if SP does get ousted in the next few weeks, who's your money on?
Warburton would be my choice but he won't be available.
Parker should stay for a while yet, he deserves more time, but has to tweak his tactics to make us more of a threat in the box.
If we were to think of a new manager would be looking to abandon our possession football, go to a long ball game or play a defensive game with quick breaks like Hull did yesterday.
If we are looking for the long ball game then ok bring in Big Sam quickly and sign new players to match in the next window, may take a while to get results though so don't think of yet another change after a dozen games.
Agree he deserves up to Xmas - if not working out would like Chris Hughton - not everyone's cup of tea but has a proven track record in the championship that not many others have which is what we need
I am still haunted by how quickly we got rid of Bobby Robson, a long time ago, I know but he went on to glory with Ipswich and we, well we took a very long time to recover.
To be honest I don't think he will be sacked yet but he needs to replace Bettinelle at the first chance he gets because he has gone backwards!!
In the warm up Betts practices punching the ball away yet yesterday when he could had done that for their 1st goal he froze😡😡
Quote from: filham on November 03, 2019, 01:26:12 PM
If we are looking for the long ball game then ok bring in Big Sam quickly and sign new players to match in the next window, may take a while to get results though so don't think of yet another change after a dozen games.
Allarydyce - never! He was on the Jeremy Vine show a few days ago - he still thinks he's good enough for the PL but the fact that he hasn't managed for more than 18 months should tell him otherwise. His support for Brexit reflects his admittedly unstated belief that these damned (more competent) European managers get appointed ahead of him. With them out of the picture , top clubs would have no choice but to offer League 1 managers like him a job.
Hughton
Parker needs more time, but if we are playing this game I would go Warburton as well.
Quote from: Peabody on November 03, 2019, 01:33:23 PM
I am still haunted by how quickly we got rid of Bobby Robson, a long time ago, I know but he went on to glory with Ipswich and we, well we took a very long time to recover.
If Parker is going to get anywhere near matching Bobby Robson's record as a manager then we should not let him home at night but chain him to the gates for fear of losing him.
Seriously though, it is too soon to think of sacking Scotty, instead we should be thinking of how he can be helped.
parker was my choice and I feel he needs a little more time
BUT
I do think some of what he has done, or not done, in the last few games is extremely concerning.
He has not settled on his best line up
he has TC playing in a position where he is being very under ised and way to anonymous at times, he eeds to be more central and deeper
as a resul too often we have a disconct between the defence and forwards
against hull it was apparent that we are still deficient in the full back department and whilst I thought odoi was good, this system relies on a fredricks type of player with real pace and when bryan went off we were stuck with MLM who is way off the quality required... his lack of challenge for the first goal was very poor. I know it was mawson's mega error that was really to blame!
The possesion game is my preference but this is possesion to no purpise. the iea is to stretch the opposition moving the bal side to side, trying to encourage errors and tire the opponentt. we just knock it aimlessly about the bak or go backwards so the opposition can effectively sit back amd watch wthout expending too much energy.
yesterdays substitution at half time was very wrong, and whilst we looked OK for 10 minutes we didn't actually create anything. stf jo was the obvious change for knock and let reid come deeper and more central to run at them with the ball and support mitro. i think parker does not know what to do with reid and that is a bad thing as he is clearly potentally a top member of the side.
I personally would swallow my pride and get slav back because with this squad and him in charge we would be several points clear by now. I know that will not happen, but it is what I would do if we really want to go up this season. As far as alternative managers are concerned... there is no obvious candidate IMO. I am not keen on the 'usual suspects.'
Stendel, Di Biaggio or approach Charlton for Bowyer
The "special one"
The answer isn't Hughton, Pulis or Allardyce though. That would be too similar to Ranieri mk2.
Javi Gracia or Hughton
Quote from: ALG01 on November 03, 2019, 02:07:09 PM
parker was my choice and I feel he needs a little more time
BUT
I do think some of what he has done, or not done, in the last few games is extremely concerning.
He has not settled on his best line up
he has TC playing in a position where he is being very under ised and way to anonymous at times, he eeds to be more central and deeper
as a resul too often we have a disconct between the defence and forwards
against hull it was apparent that we are still deficient in the full back department and whilst I thought odoi was good, this system relies on a fredricks type of player with real pace and when bryan went off we were stuck with MLM who is way off the quality required... his lack of challenge for the first goal was very poor. I know it was mawson's mega error that was really to blame!
The possesion game is my preference but this is possesion to no purpise. the iea is to stretch the opposition moving the bal side to side, trying to encourage errors and tire the opponentt. we just knock it aimlessly about the bak or go backwards so the opposition can effectively sit back amd watch wthout expending too much energy.
yesterdays substitution at half time was very wrong, and whilst we looked OK for 10 minutes we didn't actually create anything. stf jo was the obvious change for knock and let reid come deeper and more central to run at them with the ball and support mitro. i think parker does not know what to do with reid and that is a bad thing as he is clearly potentally a top member of the side.
I personally would swallow my pride and get slav back because with this squad and him in charge we would be several points clear by now. I know that will not happen, but it is what I would do if we really want to go up this season. As far as alternative managers are concerned... there is no obvious candidate IMO. I am not keen on the 'usual suspects.'
Nice post Algo
A reputable coach that will agree to Tony's recruitment policy.
I think as of this year, it will still be Parker.... the search won't be a quick and easy one.
Slav would be my first and obvious choice.
This squad is right up his street, he would make them tick AND he knows what the Championship is about.
Ain't gona happen though.
I'd knock on Mourinho's door and get him in alongside or instead of Parker.
Lives locally, got a respect for the club and he knows the owners.
He could get a tune out of this squad of players who would also listen to and respect him.
Quote from: Peabody on November 03, 2019, 01:33:23 PM
I am still haunted by how quickly we got rid of Bobby Robson, a long time ago, I know but he went on to glory with Ipswich and we, well we took a very long time to recover.
I mentioned exactly the same to my son yesterday at the game when he said should we replace Parker. We are only 5 points off the top spot so give him a bit more time to find that magic formula.
Young up and coming manager maybe - robins is doing a great job at Coventry with no money to work with
Joey Barton may have been a good shout if he wasn't a psycho
Quote from: Luka on November 03, 2019, 04:34:14 PM
Slav would be my first and obvious choice.
This squad is right up his street, he would make them tick AND he knows what the Championship is about.
Ain't gona happen though.
I'd knock on Mourinho's door and get him in alongside or instead of Parker.
Lives locally, got a respect for the club and he knows the owners.
He could get a tune out of this squad of players who would also listen to and respect him.
I'll have a word with Slavs if I bump into him out here
Quote from: Peabody on November 03, 2019, 01:33:23 PM
I am still haunted by how quickly we got rid of Bobby Robson, a long time ago, I know but he went on to glory with Ipswich and we, well we took a very long time to recover.
I remember that well Peabody. Bobby found out about his sacking on billboard. I don't think he ever forgave the club for that.
Quote from: Neil D on November 03, 2019, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: filham on November 03, 2019, 01:26:12 PM
If we are looking for the long ball game then ok bring in Big Sam quickly and sign new players to match in the next window, may take a while to get results though so don't think of yet another change after a dozen games.
Allarydyce - never! He was on the Jeremy Vine show a few days ago - he still thinks he's good enough for the PL but the fact that he hasn't managed for more than 18 months should tell him otherwise. His support for Brexit reflects his admittedly unstated belief that these damned (more competent) European managers get appointed ahead of him. With them out of the picture , top clubs would have no choice but to offer League 1 managers like him a job.
No thanks. I would rather eat my own feet. :doh:
Quote from: St Eve on November 03, 2019, 02:20:07 PM
The "special one"
Putting that one in charge would cut the capacity of the Cottage by ten thousand. We'd have to eliminate seats to make room for that ego.
When will football fans ever learn ?
What's that quote about stupidity - something like "Repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result" ? I am referring to changing the manager, by the way.
We are nowhere near ready for the Premier League. I would prefer some stability : stick with Parker for the season in the hope that he will begin to find the right blend of players and tactics. I'd be happy with a top-half finish this season and then build on that.
A squad amongst the best quality wise in the division and you're happy with top half? You are aware that Preston are top of this bang average league and if we stay down Mitrovic goes & ffp isnt on our side?
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on November 03, 2019, 05:14:01 PM
Young up and coming manager maybe - robins is doing a great job at Coventry with no money to work with
Robin's at Coventry might not have a big budget,but he runs the football club,picks the coaches,the players,that's control that he wouldn't have at Fulham.
The Khan's if they part company with scotty you would end up with likes of big Sam,houghton,then all of you lot would have something to moan about.
Surely some of this list, all of who are available are attainable & an improvement on Parker. Yes one or two are fanciful, but if you don't ask you don't get and the Khan's have ££ to tempt bigger names, although presumably TK would have to relinquish his power of playing stats based Football manager and allow an expert to take the decisions instead.
Mikael Arteta
Luis Enrique
David Moyes
Jurgen Klinsmann
Axel Schuster
Nathan Jones
Daniel Stendel
Javi Gracia
Jupp Heynckes
Rafa Benitez
Jose Mourinho
Chris Hughton
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on November 03, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: Peabody on November 03, 2019, 01:33:23 PM
I am still haunted by how quickly we got rid of Bobby Robson, a long time ago, I know but he went on to glory with Ipswich and we, well we took a very long time to recover.
I mentioned exactly the same to my son yesterday at the game when he said should we replace Parker. We are only 5 points off the top spot so give him a bit more time to find that magic formula.
5 points off top and 5 points off 17th. On a bit of a knife edge. Khans Snr and Jnr should be sounding out people. Hughton would do for me.
Quote from: hovewhite on November 04, 2019, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on November 03, 2019, 05:14:01 PM
Young up and coming manager maybe - robins is doing a great job at Coventry with no money to work with
Robin's at Coventry might not have a big budget,but he runs the football club,picks the coaches,the players,that's control that he wouldn't have at Fulham.
The Khan's if they part company with scotty you would end up with likes of big Sam,houghton,then all of you lot would have something to moan about.
How do you know robins controls everything at cov. I'm from Coventry - nobody there has a nice thing to say about the owners of the football club.
And I would take Hughton over Parker any day of the week
Within reason, we could approach any Championship manager and have a realistic chance of appointing them.
Who said they need to be available? Look at Villa with Dean Smith.
My patience with Parker has withered to next to nothing, and if we don't beat Birmingham, that's time up for me.
Our defence shouldn't be this bad, and the attack should be scoring way more. Cavaleiro is majorly underused because he's forced so wide. Cairney is far too deep as there is no natural ball carrying midfielder, which Parker's supposed style needs.
Jokanovic :Haynes The Maestro:
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on November 03, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
I'll have a word with Slavs if I bump into him out here
How is he doing with his AL-something team? Same possession game?
Mourinho and Allerdyce are massive no no's from me. Especially the latter.
But, in all reality, what good is getting rid of yet another manager, bringing in some with new ideas, new tactics etc etc etc? Who's to say we'd be any better off? A good CV doesn't mean the right fit for the club. Ranieri being a good example.
The only way to get through a bad run, is time. We were never guaranteed to get straight back up, and we shouldn't have been either.
People were screaming for Parker last season, now he's in, they're screaming for him to be replaced. It's a joke.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 01:02:48 PM
Mourinho and Allerdyce are massive no no's from me. Especially the latter.
But, in all reality, what good is getting rid of yet another manager, bringing in some with new ideas, new tactics etc etc etc? Who's to say we'd be any better off? A good CV doesn't mean the right fit for the club. Ranieri being a good example.
The only way to get through a bad run, is time. We were never guaranteed to get straight back up, and we shouldn't have been either.
People were screaming for Parker last season, now he's in, they're screaming for him to be replaced. It's a joke.
In all honesty, I don't remember people screaming for Parker to be our manager. Also Parker's tactics are not working and he has refused to change them. How can the club move forward if the manger refuses to adapt? The club must adapt its approach at that point and replace the manager.
Those suggesting Mourinho are forgetting two things:
1. His salary alone would push us over into falling foul of FFP
2. His ego would not allow the drop into the Championship. Certainly at this stage in his career and certainly following Man Utd (which would then show that as the failure it was rather than the spin he has attempted put on it).
In short, it just won't happen. Even if the Riverside was completed an he was living in one of the flats. Even if he has a whole teams worth of children and they all played for our academy.
What needs to happen is for TK to swallow his pride, pick up the phone, call Slav, apologise and offer a decent package with a three year contract. Do this before the Brum game (or at the latest QPR) and we can start planning which venue we want to hold the FOF promotion party at next May.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on November 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
Those suggesting Mourinho are forgetting two things:
1. His salary alone would push us over into falling foul of FFP
2. His ego would not allow the drop into the Championship. Certainly at this stage in his career and certainly following Man Utd (which would then show that as the failure it was rather than the spin he has attempted put on it).
In short, it just won't happen. Even if the Riverside was completed an he was living in one of the flats. Even if he has a whole teams worth of children and they all played for our academy.
What needs to happen is for TK to swallow his pride, pick up the phone, call Slav, apologise and offer a decent package with a three year contract. Do this before the Brum game (or at the latest QPR) and we can start planning which venue we want to hold the FOF promotion party at next May.
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Quote from: ByTheRiver on November 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
Those suggesting Mourinho are forgetting two things:
1. His salary alone would push us over into falling foul of FFP
2. His ego would not allow the drop into the Championship. Certainly at this stage in his career and certainly following Man Utd (which would then show that as the failure it was rather than the spin he has attempted put on it).
In short, it just won't happen. Even if the Riverside was completed an he was living in one of the flats. Even if he has a whole teams worth of children and they all played for our academy.
What needs to happen is for TK to swallow his pride, pick up the phone, call Slav, apologise and offer a decent package with a three year contract. Do this before the Brum game (or at the latest QPR) and we can start planning which venue we want to hold the FOF promotion party at next May.
People forget that Slav turned down the chance to sign an extension in the summer we went up. Also in the end he lost 6 in a row incding a game where XI fans from the crowd would have put more effort in.
Yes he was great for us in many ways, but it wasn't always perfect. The same ones moaning about passing too much were doing the same two years ago at this time.
Quote from: MJG on November 04, 2019, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on November 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
Those suggesting Mourinho are forgetting two things:
1. His salary alone would push us over into falling foul of FFP
2. His ego would not allow the drop into the Championship. Certainly at this stage in his career and certainly following Man Utd (which would then show that as the failure it was rather than the spin he has attempted put on it).
In short, it just won't happen. Even if the Riverside was completed an he was living in one of the flats. Even if he has a whole teams worth of children and they all played for our academy.
What needs to happen is for TK to swallow his pride, pick up the phone, call Slav, apologise and offer a decent package with a three year contract. Do this before the Brum game (or at the latest QPR) and we can start planning which venue we want to hold the FOF promotion party at next May.
People forget that Slav turned down the chance to sign an extension in the summer we went up. Also in the end he lost 6 in a row incding a game where XI fans from the crowd would have put more effort in.
Yes he was great for us in many ways, but it wasn't always perfect. The same ones moaning about passing too much were doing the same two years ago at this time.
Word has it that the offer was not great and that he was confident of going up, proving himself, and then being able to negotiate much better terms. Which is fair enough and shows belief/confidence in ones ability. Also, my own suspicion based on the many fallouts, is that he probably wanted a bit more control over the transfers.
Which, as this year has shown (apparent Parker more involved), he had a point. Wasting vast parts out of budget on Fonte, Jozabed, Kamara, and other players clearly not suited to league/his plans, can't have been easy to take.
I appreciate he is/was not perfect. He definitely made mistakes (although was probably forced somewhat into playing Seri and some of the big money signings) and the Huddersfield game was abysmal. I still think he'd have (just!) kept us up last year though and I'd be willing to bet everything I own that he'd get this squad up if given the reins in the next couple of weeks.
Won't happen of course, but 100% he would take this squad up.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 04, 2019, 10:31:11 AM
Surely some of this list, all of who are available are attainable & an improvement on Parker. Yes one or two are fanciful, but if you don't ask you don't get and the Khan's have ££ to tempt bigger names, although presumably TK would have to relinquish his power of playing stats based Football manager and allow an expert to take the decisions instead.
Mikael Arteta
Luis Enrique
David Moyes
Jurgen Klinsmann
Axel Schuster
Nathan Jones
Daniel Stendel
Javi Gracia
Jupp Heynckes
Rafa Benitez
Jose Mourinho
Chris Hughton
Sorry, none of this lot. There is a reason why they are out of work. Really struggling to come up with anyone. Best keep SP. No more upheaval. Been there & it doesn´t work changing mid season.
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference? Except, you can bet your life he would expect a massive wage to come back. And, what good would it do us?
I think people need to let the idea of slav returning go. It won't happen. Neither Tony or the man himself will back down.
As for people reeling names of managers that are available off, I genuinely think some just think of a name, google to see if they have a job and then put it down. Like Grandad said, they're out of work for a reason.
I want what's best for this club, as much as anyone else on this board and, at this moment in time, sacking Parker (who isnt doing a terrible job, just not walking the league like a few have expected us to do), would be the absolute worse decision. What big name will want to come to a club that sacks their manager for no other reason that the supporters presuming we are by far the best team in the league? Dont every club's fans think that?
The best we can do is get behind the team and make the cottage a fortress. The rest is up to the team.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference?
Better movement, quicker passing, quicker breaks, more confidence, proper utilisation of two fantastic wingers, 100% motivation from Mitrovic...
Quote from: Statto on November 04, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference?
Better movement, quicker passing, quicker breaks, more confidence, proper utilisation of two fantastic wingers, 100% motivation from Mitrovic...
Couldn't have put it better myself Statto.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on November 04, 2019, 04:53:18 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 04, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference?
Bring it on!
Better movement, quicker passing, quicker breaks, more confidence, proper utilisation of two fantastic wingers, 100% motivation from Mitrovic...
Couldn't have put it better myself Statto.
Here's a name for you that I've never seen suggested before, a manager that knows how to get promotion , a manager that knows how to build squad morale and a manager that knows how to form a bond between the supporters and the players,
That man is David Wagner, formerly of Huddersfield and now at Schalke, it would cost maybe £5 million to get him from Schalke (if that's possible) but that's chicken feed to a club that has wasted so much money on the likes of Anguissa, Serri, Mawson, Fonte etc etc etc
Parker or Wagner , no brainer for me, would love to see Wagner at Fulham, he had an impossible task with Huddersfield in The Premier League, but would have better support and opportunities at Fulham .
Yeah but on the JOka thing the key players he relied on for pace from the back have gone, the two guys who held the defence together, Ream aka Player of the Year, and Kmac are older and slower, Cairney and Stefjo are also older and slower and not the force they were and when under the sort of pressure he would be put under again he melted. The Khans won't take him back and give him a war chest in January so time to move on. Really.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on November 04, 2019, 03:18:58 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 04, 2019, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on November 04, 2019, 02:06:54 PM
Those suggesting Mourinho are forgetting two things:
1. His salary alone would push us over into falling foul of FFP
2. His ego would not allow the drop into the Championship. Certainly at this stage in his career and certainly following Man Utd (which would then show that as the failure it was rather than the spin he has attempted put on it).
In short, it just won't happen. Even if the Riverside was completed an he was living in one of the flats. Even if he has a whole teams worth of children and they all played for our academy.
What needs to happen is for TK to swallow his pride, pick up the phone, call Slav, apologise and offer a decent package with a three year contract. Do this before the Brum game (or at the latest QPR) and we can start planning which venue we want to hold the FOF promotion party at next May.
People forget that Slav turned down the chance to sign an extension in the summer we went up. Also in the end he lost 6 in a row incding a game where XI fans from the crowd would have put more effort in.
Yes he was great for us in many ways, but it wasn't always perfect. The same ones moaning about passing too much were doing the same two years ago at this time.
Word has it that the offer was not great and that he was confident of going up, proving himself, and then being able to negotiate much better terms. Which is fair enough and shows belief/confidence in ones ability. Also, my own suspicion based on the many fallouts, is that he probably wanted a bit more control over the transfers.
Which, as this year has shown (apparent Parker more involved), he had a point. Wasting vast parts out of budget on Fonte, Jozabed, Kamara, and other players clearly not suited to league/his plans, can't have been easy to take.
I appreciate he is/was not perfect. He definitely made mistakes (although was probably forced somewhat into playing Seri and some of the big money signings) and the Huddersfield game was abysmal. I still think he'd have (just!) kept us up last year though and I'd be willing to bet everything I own that he'd get this squad up if given the reins in the next couple of weeks.
Won't happen of course, but 100% he would take this squad up.
we were up... It was after playoffs leading up to start of PL season.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on November 04, 2019, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on November 04, 2019, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on November 03, 2019, 05:14:01 PM
Young up and coming manager maybe - robins is doing a great job at Coventry with no money to work with
Robin's at Coventry might not have a big budget,but he runs the football club,picks the coaches,the players,that's control that he wouldn't have at Fulham.
The Khan's if they part company with scotty you would end up with likes of big Sam,houghton,then all of you lot would have something to moan about.
How do you know robins controls everything at cov. I'm from Coventry - nobody there has a nice thing to say about the owners of the football club.
And I would take Hughton over Parker any day of the week
Robin's has control at Coventry,also he trusts the the board and chairman Dave body,no manager would get control at Fulham like that it's not Fulham owners way.
Quote from: filham on November 03, 2019, 01:26:12 PM
Parker should stay for a while yet, he deserves more time, but has to tweak his tactics to make us more of a threat in the box.
I would subscribe to giving Parker some more time, but at what point do you throw the towel in? He's had one-third of a season to figure out how to turn all this possession football into 'quality' chances, and it's really been a failure so far. It might take more than just a 'tweak'. I realize he is a first year coach, but we all assume he knows something about football and he has support and other coaches upon which to lean and discuss strategy. But this last run of four games (v lower table sides) with disappointing results, including being clean sheeted three times, shows some here that maybe Parker doesn't know what to do with all of this possession?
I dreamt last night that Jo Swinson became our new manager. Weird.
Amazed some people want to "give Parker more time" .... at which point we will be too far off the promotion spots and forced to sell Mitrovic in the summer to finance a rebuild, lose the loans and be in a worse position with ffp. Preston North End are top of what is a bang average league, we wont have a better chance than this season and Parker's Bracewell meets Wilkins football will never get any team promotion with slow slow slower tip tap backwards and sideways possession with not enough end result or tempo. Our best chance is to sack him now and bring in someone who can get the best out of one of the top 3 talented squads in this division!
Quote from: SP on November 04, 2019, 06:13:10 PM
I dreamt last night that Jo Swinson became our new manager. Weird.
That was no dream, it was a nightmare.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on November 04, 2019, 06:19:33 PM
Amazed some people want to "give Parker more time" .... at which point we will be too far off the promotion spots and forced to sell Mitrovic in the summer to finance a rebuild, lose the loans and be in a worse position with ffp. Preston Morth End are top of what is a bang average league, we wont have a better chance than this season and Parker's Bracewell meets Wilkins football will never get any team promotion with slow slow slower tip tap backwards and sideways possession with not enough end result or tempo. Our best chance is to sack him now and bring in someone who can get the best out of one of the top 3 talented squads in this division!
Bang average division with bang average teams in it and for whatever reason we are bang average. Quintessentially Fulhamish?
What is certain is that whatever three go up from this highly competitive bang average league they won't be doing a Wolves.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2019, 06:52:56 PM
What is certain is that whatever three go up from this highly competitive bang average league they won't be doing a Wolves.
Well that is far from certain.
Very little correlation lately between how well a team does in their promotion season and how well they do in the PL.
As I've said before, we went up stronger than Wolves... and did terribly.
Last season's champions Norwich also doing poorly this year.
'Bang average' Sheffield Utd flying high.
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference? Except, you can bet your life he would expect a massive wage to come back. And, what good would it do us?
I think people need to let the idea of slav returning go. It won't happen. Neither Tony or the man himself will back down.
As for people reeling names of managers that are available off, I genuinely think some just think of a name, google to see if they have a job and then put it down. Like Grandad said, they're out of work for a reason.
I want what's best for this club, as much as anyone else on this board and, at this moment in time, sacking Parker (who isnt doing a terrible job, just not walking the league like a few have expected us to do), would be the absolute worse decision. What big name will want to come to a club that sacks their manager for no other reason that the supporters presuming we are by far the best team in the league? Dont every club's fans think that?
The best we can do is get behind the team and make the cottage a fortress. The rest is up to the team.
+1
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference? Except, you can bet your life he would expect a massive wage to come back. And, what good would it do us?
I think people need to let the idea of slav returning go. It won't happen. Neither Tony or the man himself will back down.
As for people reeling names of managers that are available off, I genuinely think some just think of a name, google to see if they have a job and then put it down. Like Grandad said, they're out of work for a reason.
I want what's best for this club, as much as anyone else on this board and, at this moment in time, sacking Parker (who isnt doing a terrible job, just not walking the league like a few have expected us to do), would be the absolute worse decision. What big name will want to come to a club that sacks their manager for no other reason that the supporters presuming we are by far the best team in the league? Dont every club's fans think that?
The best we can do is get behind the team and make the cottage a fortress. The rest is up to the team.
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Quote from: Statto on November 04, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: BigbadBillyMcKinley on November 04, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
We pass to much with Parker, and people want Slav back. His whole idea of football is to pass it, so what would actually be the difference?
Better movement, quicker passing, quicker breaks, more confidence, proper utilisation of two fantastic wingers, 100% motivation from Mitrovic...
You mean, the more experienced Slav has had more time to perfect his tactics....right.
Quote from: Statto on November 04, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2019, 06:52:56 PM
What is certain is that whatever three go up from this highly competitive bang average league they won't be doing a Wolves.
Well that is far from certain.
Very little correlation lately between how well a team does in their promotion season and how well they do in the PL.
As I've said before, we went up stronger than Wolves... and did terribly.
Last season's champions Norwich also doing poorly this year.
'Bang average' Sheffield Utd flying high.
Yes indeed. From last season The Villa are settling in and as you say Sheffield U are flying high but as I recall they did well last year. The goals at Norwich have dried up but the potential is there and a couple of decent results are not far away. January could be a problem for them though.
However, and my point, this season the top three are bang average playing decidedly average football. Resources and support means Leeds and West Brom might cope but huge investment in their respective squads would be needed and of course that guarantees nothing. The Baggies have a chance to make a statement tonight so let's see how that goes. Numbers four to six are a bit iffy and six to ten is so hit and miss any of them could plummet or hit form and rise up. More so than ever I feel loanees have been key to the success of a couple of teams above us and if they get called back those Clubs could be even less than bang average, a bit like Derby post loanees. Unlike last year, and indeed the year before, when it was accepted that not all three promoted sides might struggle this season it is highly likely all three will struggle even though the fare produced in the Premier League basement is not up to much, at the moment at least.
Quote from: Statto on November 04, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on November 04, 2019, 06:52:56 PM
What is certain is that whatever three go up from this highly competitive bang average league they won't be doing a Wolves.
Well that is far from certain.
Very little correlation lately between how well a team does in their promotion season and how well they do in the PL.
As I've said before, we went up stronger than Wolves... and did terribly.
Last season's champions Norwich also doing poorly this year.
'Bang average' Sheffield Utd flying high.
In 2020/21, I predict one of the teams currently in Premier League will get relegated and that means one of the teams going up in 2019/20 will be at least 17th. In 2018/19, Wolves were the best promoted team, Huddersfield were the relegated Premier League team and Fulham/Cardiff battled for 18th position.
Even getting promoted with a terrible team that is certain to get relegated in its the first season, gives us many more options than staying down with parachute payments ending. Right now our challenge is to stay a
"Parachute Payment junkie YO-YO team", we need to get back into Premier League even if it means going straight back down.
im not saying I want a change but this guy is out of work.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbLvl7Bz5XM
league one relegation zone to premier league with few changes
vid has annoying classical music drowning out the interviews
the football looks a tad more direct ......
