I do not usually like to single out players, but honestly, Knockaert needs to be benched. If not for the rare glimpse of quality, his body language and attitude on the pitch is truly painful to watch.
He makes a bad pass, he blames the other player for not putting more effort. He receives a bad pass, he watches it go by and looks back to blame the other player. In both scenarios, he does not then try to win the ball back, but he stays put to show how disgusted he is.
In attack, we have a counter, and what does he do? He spends 10-15 seconds taking on one player only to send a ball over the top of Mitro. This happened 3-4x vs Preston.
I believe Parker and Wells really like him, and are not wanting to bench him. However, I think he will be the true demise of the team, unless his attitude and demeanor changes. He may be frustrated for not scoring since West Brom, but enough is enough. The last thing we need is a maverick and passion merchant that is going to have no end product - then blame everyone else because he is failing.
Kebano's earned his spot, and that is who I would throw in to send crosses, or let Christie overlap to send them. Something definitely needs to change on the right hand side regardless.
of all the newer players Knockaaert is the biggest disappointment, body language, lack of serious pace and ability to beat players at this level easily, no great goal threat, crossing poor to non-existent. Personally would be trying to convince Brighton to take him back. Been poor for about 2 months now.
He is a show pony who unfortuantly is more pony than show
Not like you at all Matt 10 - things must be bad . I posted on here what my friend - a Brighton season ticket holder - told me when he signed ...
My mate , a Brighton season ticket holder, has a lot of admiration for his skill , but little time for his teamwork and overall attitude. Only a grafter and team player when it suits him
Sadly- Seems to be coming true
I agree - i was hoping for great things from him, but he's only shown it in flashes... I said before that i really didn't like him as a person based on what i had seen of him at games v Brighton. But actually at the start of the season he was very vocal in trying to rally the team and gee up the crowd and i have warmed to him a bit on that level. But he ought to be terrorising defences every week at this level!
I think Knock was the divisions player of the season when Brighton got promoted. He was fantastic and caused opposing teams huge problems. I honestly don't know why, but we are clearly not getting the best out of him.
I think he is a talented player who unfortunately lacks consistency in making the right choices between passing and crossing and then delays or is too inaccurate with the latter. I suspect if he scored a couple of goals and made a couple of good assists he has the potential to go on a run where he looks like a world beater. However when he doesn't succeed he gets frustrated and we get frustrated with him and he then becomes a luxury player who in the championship you can't keep playing (or at least starting) in the hope that he plays himself into form. I think Kebano offers more consistency currently and would like to see him starting over knockaert for a while
Quote from: HV71 on December 11, 2019, 01:23:14 PM
Not like you at all Matt 10 - things must be bad . I posted on here what my friend - a Brighton season ticket holder - told me when he signed ...
My mate , a Brighton season ticket holder, has a lot of admiration for his skill , but little time for his teamwork and overall attitude. Only a grafter and team player when it suits him
Sadly- Seems to be coming true
It's indeed sad, because I was also quite excited to have signed him - and he even played brilliantly vs Millwall and WBA. My hope it's just confidence and he's deflecting it to other teammates. The problem is that it has gotten to the point in which our entire right sided attack is a liability. Christie played brilliantly on his overlaps, but he was constantly forced to track all the way back because Knockaert would lose it. Then, in our defensive side of the pitch, Knockaert is passing the ball to the other team as we're preparing our counter. Not only does he give the "Whoa is me..." look, he also doesn't track back to try to force the ball off.
People were upset at Bryan for our conceded 2nd goal vs Bristol, but if you rewatch it, it's Knockaert who is just standing still at the top of our own box as their midfielder stepped inside to send the low ball across goal to Diedhiou.
I think if we can sort out the right side of our attack, we'll be in much better shape. Kamara was a bit wild vs PNE, but I think he would be a better choice as he is more direct and will track back. Or put in a hungry squad player like Kebano. Knockaert is wrong at the moment because on the field he looks entitled and has offered nothing in return. If Parker wants to keep sending him up, fine, but need to see a goal or assist from him soon.
I've always thought Knockaert was a bit overrated but I also think part of the problem might be our failure to sign a top quality RB. If we still had Fredericks I think we would have seen a better version of Knockaert. Cavaleiro+Bryan is interacting a lot better than Knockaert+any of our RBs. Our RBs are probably instructed to play it safe because they are simply not good enough to go forward on overlaps and get back in defensive positions fast enough.
He's up his own ass that's for sure but I am guessing from pre-FFC days that is the kind of player he is. Can he be tamed? Doubt it. Why was he bought? Because he could make a big difference in the right team and in the right frame of mind. Can Parker handle him? No, would seem the current answer.
The point is that all players have a purple patch and then they can be nothing ..... timing is everything.
Think about how lucky we were with Ryan Sess. got a nice fee and sold him into obscurity.
Tough world !
Quote from: toshes mate on December 11, 2019, 04:20:09 PM
He's up his own ass that's for sure but I am guessing from pre-FFC days that is the kind of player he is. Can he be tamed? Doubt it. Why was he bought? Because he could make a big difference in the right team and in the right frame of mind. Can Parker handle him? No, would seem the current answer.
That's a good point about who may actually be handling Knockaert. It looks to be Wells for me as he's the one who is talking to him most. I saw in a couple close-ups that Parker tried to listen to what Knockaert was saying, but just had a perplexed look on his face. Mitro also came over to Knock and Knock looks like he's telling Mitro what to do, then apologizes. To me it will take a player to reign him in, not a manager. I think last night's match would've gone differently if Cava stayed in versus Knockaert.
He looked good in early games but now has to give way to Kamara.
Cairney could hit a man with a pass better than him with one leg. Having said that I think his confidence is shot so maybe I'm being harsh but yesterday his distribution was Sunday league.
Not sure if I've said this previously on this board but when he was with Brighton they employed a minder (on the coaching staff) specifically, and only, to look after Knockaert - a kind of personal assistant. AK was very much a man apart there.
Quote from: sunburywhite on December 11, 2019, 01:22:08 PM
He is a show pony who unfortuantly is more pony than show
This is nail meet hammer for me. From this point on I think he should be a bit squad player with AK starting on the right. Then AK and Ivan can switch as needed to throw off the defence and cause them problems.
Think he works hard and tracks back well, but his crossing of the ball is poor and constantly overhits the ball. Not sure what he is trying to do most of the time and seems to want to showboat too much.
Bit surprised how ineffective he has been.
The alleged £4m season long loan fee, if not signed at the end of the season for £10k is daunting.
How could we have agreed to such a deal??
On the other hand, he is usually the first guy who runs to congratulate our goal scorer
I think a lot of the body language is down to frustration about his own performance . He knows he shouldn't be over hitting the crosses , missing the short pass and the one v ones with the keeper . For whatever reason his confidence his shot , performances below par we are not in a position to carry him , especially when Kamara is showing signs of a renaissance and Kebano has looked very sharp . Talking of which , he has definitely earnt more opportunity than a 15 minute cameo when the game is dead .
I remember when Knock scored against us last year for Brighton after not getting a lot of playing time, he ran over to their coach, turned his back and pointed to his name on the back of his shirt. At the time, I thought hmmm ...
Not just Knockeart not playing well, Cav the last 4 or 5 games has fallen off pace taking extra touches when there is an easy ball or cross on, watch mitro he gets exasperated at it.
Then there is Manson, Odoi both of whom have fallen away.
It's very frustrating
Both Knock and Cav have really proven to be big disappointments. Thought for sure they would be the catalysts to sparking a potent offense. Simply has not happened. Methinks both should see more bench time. Kamara and Kebano should be getting more PT. Also, too bad Reid is out. I thought he added a lot to the offense.
But, the backline D is the biggest problem on this club. Four goals conceded last two games, and FFC typically with a huge possession advantage. FFC will struggle this season to make the playoff rounds. And if they don't, the following season will not be pretty.
Low on confidence
And if possible trying too hard !!
Coaching challenge is
a) get him to think more
b) lift his confidence
Hard to do for the most experienced coach - let alone SP
In the meantime needs to be dropped - which of course will not help his confidence and possibly make him over try even more .
But AK and Kebano clearly both offer more currently .
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Quote from: FulhamStu on December 11, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
I think Knock was the divisions player of the season when Brighton got promoted. He was fantastic and caused opposing teams huge problems. I honestly don't know why, but we are clearly not getting the best out of him.
Well...do we design our playing system to be exactly like Brighton's those seasons...or do we keep Knock on the bench and hope he comes good. He's not good working in this offense with these players.
I'd love to sign another attacking winger next month. Knock won't be here next season.
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Quote from: junior white on December 12, 2019, 02:32:03 PM
Not just Knockeart not playing well, Cav the last 4 or 5 games has fallen off pace taking extra touches when there is an easy ball or cross on, watch mitro he gets exasperated at it.
Then there is Manson, Odoi both of whom have fallen away.
It's very frustrating
But Knock is the only player you mentioned that I'd bench.
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Quote from: Riverside on December 12, 2019, 06:18:25 PM
Low on confidence
And if possible trying too hard !!
Coaching challenge is
a) get him to think more
b) lift his confidence
Hard to do for the most experienced coach - let alone SP
In the meantime needs to be dropped - which of course will not help his confidence and possibly make him over try even more .
But AK and Kebano clearly both offer more currently .
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I think, from a management point of view, Parker did well to sub Cav instead of Knockaert vs Preston. I think that was a tough position to be in because he has to keep Knock happy, and hope that Cav is the professional - which he seemed to be. I think if it was the other way around, there would probably be more upset looks from the person being subbed.
I don't think Scott would make decisions on the grounds of not wanting to upset a player - all players are upset at being dropped or subbed, and it's the manager's job to make these often tough decisions, based solely on performance, and the good of the team, as he sees it.
Yes, I get that Knock seems very sensitive and temperamental, needs careful handling, but Scott has to think of the other players morale if he seems to favour one player, and the good of the team.
Surely Knock is professional enough to know that he has to improve, play to his full potential, to keep his place in the team, or he should be anyway.
But I suppose if he thought there was nothing between them on the night, he make make the decision on the grounds you say, as good man management.
Why would we pander to Knockaerts feelings? He's played like an utter tart for the past 2 months and if dropping him means he throws his toys about, then he's welcome to flounce off back to Brighton or turn out for the U23's.
Quote from: Matt10 on December 13, 2019, 05:51:22 AM
I think, from a management point of view, Parker did well to sub Cav instead of Knockaert vs Preston. I think that was a tough position to be in because he has to keep Knock happy, and hope that Cav is the professional - which he seemed to be. I think if it was the other way around, there would probably be more upset looks from the person being subbed.
This is something that equates to the differences between the Parker and Jokanovic eras where you doubt the former has the same control of his players, and squads overall, as the latter. It is indicative of what may go on during training sessions too, and how lack of emphatic control can eat away at morale when things turn sour. I always had confidence in SJ, both as a man and as a coach, but I just do not find that in Parker either as player or coach. But, you have a perfect right to tell me I am being nonsensical, because in point of fact what do I know about either person apart from impressions gained when I see them publicly? Odd though how quickly (within six weeks of his first game) I got the feeling that Jokanovic was going to be a good thing at FFC, something I have not felt about Parker, even now.
I've heard rumoured that Cav was ill (as was Mawson and Bryan) but there wasn't much we could do re the team he put out there. I'd have certainly allowed Neeskens a deserved 90 mins.
Let's just put into context that we had a MF missing
Cairney
Arter
Reed
D Reid
KMac
and
Sess
MLM
And then Mad Dog Odoi left us up the creek.
Quote from: RaySmith on December 13, 2019, 06:11:25 AM
I don't think Scott would make decisions on the grounds of not wanting to upset a player - all players are upset at being dropped or subbed, and it's the manager's job to make these often tough decisions, based solely on performance, and the good of the team, as he sees it.
Yes, I get that Knock seems very sensitive and temperamental, needs careful handling, but Scott has to think of the other players morale if he seems to favour one player, and the good of the team.
Surely Knock is professional enough to know that he has to improve, play to his full potential, to keep his place in the team, or he should be anyway.
But I suppose if he thought there was nothing between them on the night, he make make the decision on the grounds you say, as good man management.
Based on his history, I'm not sure if Knock would see it that way. However, I'm just speculating because of what I've seen attitude-wise on the field. If he's completley different off of it, and is maybe more of a heat of the moment type professional, then that's fine.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on December 13, 2019, 08:02:48 AM
Why would we pander to Knockaerts feelings? He's played like an utter tart for the past 2 months and if dropping him means he throws his toys about, then he's welcome to flounce off back to Brighton or turn out for the U23's.
Honestly, I'm not sure, but from what he said about how he has to manage Kamara differently than others, that would be an indication that he approaches certain types of players a specific way.
If Knock starts tomorrow, I'll have questions about Parker's decision making. He was given the full 90 minutes to make a difference and didn't. He wasted chances, and gave the ball away twice in critical spots after we defended late into the match. Hopefully he'll come off the bench and make a positive difference.
Quote from: Matt10 on December 11, 2019, 12:48:48 PM
I do not usually like to single out players, but honestly, Knockaert needs to be benched. If not for the rare glimpse of quality, his body language and attitude on the pitch is truly painful to watch.
He makes a bad pass, he blames the other player for not putting more effort. He receives a bad pass, he watches it go by and looks back to blame the other player. In both scenarios, he does not then try to win the ball back, but he stays put to show how disgusted he is.
In attack, we have a counter, and what does he do? He spends 10-15 seconds taking on one player only to send a ball over the top of Mitro. This happened 3-4x vs Preston.
I believe Parker and Wells really like him, and are not wanting to bench him. However, I think he will be the true demise of the team, unless his attitude and demeanor changes. He may be frustrated for not scoring since West Brom, but enough is enough. The last thing we need is a maverick and passion merchant that is going to have no end product - then blame everyone else because he is failing.
Kebano's earned his spot, and that is who I would throw in to send crosses, or let Christie overlap to send them. Something definitely needs to change on the right hand side regardless.
I think he has lost a step and that is it. Without the quickness, all his tricks result in no end product.
Kebano and Kamara have done more with less time than Knockaert at this point. Add Mitro, BDR, and Cav to the list and I do not understand why he keeps getting picked for the starting 11 by SP.
Perfect illustration of the difference between Cavaleiro and Knockaert yesterday.
Knockaert mindlessly runs into a crowd of five defenders and naturally loses possession.
The loose ball rolls to Cavaleiro who bangs it into the top corner.
Quote from: Statto on January 12, 2020, 10:43:27 AM
Perfect illustration of the difference between Cavaleiro and Knockaert yesterday.
Knockaert mindlessly runs into a crowd of five defenders and naturally loses possession.
The loose ball rolls to Cavaleiro who bangs it into the top corner.
One trick pony .
Bad yesterday .
Could be but he tracked back all day and didnt leave Christie exposed.Cavaleiro has also started working much harder defensively come to that.I dont agree that he ,Knochhart, was poor even though it was not his most productive game he still creates an uncertainty in opposition defences.
i think the critisism of knock is way over the top. he is a very good player and he frightens defenders, draws them and beats them, i am not sure the rest of the teamare always on the same wavelength. he desrved to be dropped, as should they all when not at their best for an extended period, but has come back brilliantly.... IMO cav is underwhelming but now he has signed properly that may change..however cav clearly has talent, he just needs to show more end product like yesterday and look up and be less selfish
Knockaert worked his socks off yesterday. Always looking to get back to defend. I don't think it's fair to say he had a poor game. Yesterday wasn't a classic but the team dug in and got the result and at the end Knocky came to the away end where his passion was there for all to see. No doubting his desire.
Without him occupying 5 defenders cavelierio doesnt get the shooting opportunity either come to that !!
In fairness to Knockaert I think he works his socks of. I don't question his work rate, he chases down, pegs it about the pitch,often tracks back at full pelt to try and contest the ball and for me he's shown alot of effort. His execution has just been off. He finds himself looking threatening but his finishing/crossing, generally hasn't been as good as we'd hoped. There is time for him to turn that around but he's bought himself the patience with me because of his work rate. If that wasn't there I wouldn't be so willing. That said I wouldn't be adverse to him being benched providing whoever steps in is doing a more clinical job. So that would presumably be AK, Kebano or BDR out wide. Hope he get's a run of goals that really kick start his confidence in his end product.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on December 11, 2019, 07:46:23 PM
Bit surprised how ineffective he has been.
The alleged £4m season long loan fee, if not signed at the end of the season for £10k is daunting.
How could we have agreed to such a deal??
Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Quote from: Statto on January 12, 2020, 10:43:27 AM
Perfect illustration of the difference between Cavaleiro and Knockaert yesterday.
Knockaert mindlessly runs into a crowd of five defenders and naturally loses possession.
The loose ball rolls to Cavaleiro who bangs it into the top corner.
yes Parker will be having words, he should have passed it sideways instead of running into the box
I think people are being uneccessarily critical of him. It's easy to get on a players back but it simply takes a moment of magic from a player like Knockaert to justify his position, which he's more than capable of and which other teams and managers are aware. Games are decided on moments of Magic - see Cavaleiro's strike just yesterday. (and when looking at it, look at the fact it came about because of a driving run from Knockaert) - whether intentional or not, having him on the pitch yesterday saw us score the goal and ultimately win the game.
Watching the highlights back (both sky's and hull official on youtube) i'm suprised more hasn't been made of the amount of times Christie was out of position and leaving us vulnerable at the back.
People say it was a close game but we had Cairney and Arter on the bench.
Also - whilst I don't think Parker has what it takes to manage in the premierleague and I question some of his man management as he should be getting better results with this squad - can we at least acknowledge that he made tactical decisions that saw us nullify a team that thrashed us 3-0 last time round - he has learned a lesson and taken the tactical decisions necessary - something we should note.
Does anyone know how long Mitrovic could be out for? We have good players, but they're tiny and mitrovic's prescence and height makes a huge difference to our ability to play and utilise these wider players. We need someone who's good in the air and with his back to goal.
