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Title: Scott Parker
Post by: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 10:06:43 PM
Take a bow mate. Ive been one of the biggest critics but our performance tonight against a form side was immense and not negative. No fault can be attributed to Parker that Onomah missed 2 great chances, Cavaleiro,  Bobby Reid and by default for not passing to a free Reid also Cairney should have had us 4 up by HT.

My MOM Michael Hector, utterly superb and what we've missed, Knockaert a close 2nd and Bobby Reid,  Odoi and KMac not far behind. COYW!!
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Tabby on January 17, 2020, 10:13:14 PM
Probably second best game of the season after the Millwall one. If AK or Mitro had been on the pitch for some better finishing I think it would have reached tennis numbers.

Hopefully he can build on this looking forward.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Simply91 on January 17, 2020, 10:14:14 PM
Credit where credit is due. Top quality performance. COYW 049:gif
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
Better IMO, Millwall were awful and played to our strengths,  tonight especially 1st half we were sublime.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Bassey the warrior on January 17, 2020, 10:20:00 PM
Yeah superb performance just lacking clinical finishing. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: fulhamben on January 17, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
Better IMO, Millwall were awful and played to our strengths,  tonight especially 1st half we were sublime.
thought we were fantastic in the first 20 but then went off the boil again. Didn't get going until the last 20 again imo
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: FFC1987 on January 17, 2020, 10:35:36 PM
Yep, fair play to Parker. If they got the late goal for the draw, I wouldn't be blaming Parker as we created more than enough to win this game. Still say next 5 games are important and will shape season so this was a great start.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: LittleErn on January 17, 2020, 10:44:21 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 10:06:43 PM
Take a bow mate. Ive been one of the biggest critics but our performance tonight against a form side was immense and not negative. No fault can be attributed to Parker that Onomah missed 2 great chances, Cavaleiro,  Bobby Reid and by default for not passing to a free Reid also Cairney should have had us 4 up by HT.

My MOM Michael Hector, utterly superb and what we've missed, Knockaert a close 2nd and Bobby Reid,  Odoi and KMac not far behind. COYW!!

Hear Hear! Apart from the misses, Onomah played very well. he gets better and more confident with every match. Cairney was disappointing for most of the game - he is not useful unless we are on top of the game.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Steven Ageroad on January 17, 2020, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
Better IMO, Millwall were awful and played to our strengths,  tonight especially 1st half we were sublime.
thought we were fantastic in the first 20 but then went off the boil again. Didn't get going until the last 20 again imo

Bet that was said through gritted teeth Ben! We won the game.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Twig on January 17, 2020, 11:18:36 PM
We were sublime for at least 30 mins in then first half and it was clear to me that our performance dipped in the second because TC was falling further and further off the pace. Once Stef Jo came in we immediately started to dominate again.

Well done SP and the entire team.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: SuffolkWhite on January 17, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Johansen for Cairny was the right call, well done Parker. A good convincing performance and deserved win. Is this the beginning of a run, hope so.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 11:44:27 PM
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on January 17, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Johansen for Cairny was the right call, well done Parker. A good convincing performance and deserved win. Is this the beginning of a run, hope so.

:plus one:
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Count Flapula on January 18, 2020, 12:04:23 AM
Forget game of 2 halves, that was a game of 3 thirds.

Our movement, combination play and invention in the first half hour was something to behold - Boro players were looking around at each other wondering what was happening. The 15 mins either side of half time we inexplicably dropped off deep and couldn't string 2 passes together.

Fair play to Scott Parker though - when TC started flagging due to being not quite match fit yet he made the right choice and brought on StefJo, who's running and really intelligent contribution swang the game back in our favour.

Although he's made some errors (which manager doesn't?), he seems to try and learn from mistakes rather than be tactically rigid so is brave enough to try and change things which is a promising sign for his growth as a manager.

That's four wins and a draw in his last six league games I think. I hope he learns/evolves enough in time to meet our goals (I.e. before Fulham sacks him) as I think he has the makings to be a successful manager somewhere.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Statto on January 18, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
8/10.

We started very well and his tactical decisions in the second half worked well.

But it was only 1-0, at home to a poor team (albeit in decent form) and they hit the bar.

We need to win the next 5 for Parker to get a "meets expectations" from me. 
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 12:41:06 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 18, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
8/10.

We started very well and his tactical decisions in the second half worked well.

But it was only 1-0, at home to a poor team (albeit in decent form) and they hit the bar.

We need to win the next 5 for Parker to get a "meets expectations" from me. 

I don't expect he will lose any sleep over your opinion.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 18, 2020, 12:48:12 AM
Still not necessarily convinced with Parker but our starts to the first and second half were much improved, and while there was a lack of cutting edge today his hands were somewhat tied. Happy for us to grind out 1-0s as opposed to being a "pretty football" team with largely inconsistent results.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 01:50:27 AM
You cannot expect to dominate a whole 90 mins. Somewhere during the game an opposition will have a good spell, that's Football 11 v 11. It's the scoreline at the end of the game that counts. It's a simple game, with object of the exercise is to score more goals than your opponent. Which today we did, that is why a clean sheet and a clean pillow case is essential. The defence is the launching pad.
On another day we could have scored 5, it was careless finishing that was the difference, we just needed more poise in front of goal on this occasion, thats not Scott Parker's fault. He managed the game well, and we were all nervous towards the end as we needed a second goal to give us a little daylight between us and them.
So I imagine he was as nervous as the next man, but stayed calm under pressure which is always a lesson to note.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 18, 2020, 05:23:20 AM
Got it spot on with his decisions tonight.
Felt a bit sorry for him late on the game as after spending the week getting the set up right he must have been a bit worried the players hadn't won more comfortably.
The manager can only get them on to the pitch,its up to them then to finish the job.
These misses can count in the end,still 8 goals GD shy of the top two,we should really have halved that tonight.
But great performance, and that was down to our young manager who is learning his trade.
In Scotty I trust. 049:gif
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: AnOldBrownie on January 18, 2020, 05:26:20 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on January 17, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
Better IMO, Millwall were awful and played to our strengths,  tonight especially 1st half we were sublime.
thought we were fantastic in the first 20 but then went off the boil again. Didn't get going until the last 20 again imo
There is this thing called "getting tired". This was a good 90 minutes. Score should have been 2-0.

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Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Worcesterwhite on January 18, 2020, 07:35:58 AM
Got to agree really enjoyed watching us tonight, we played with real intensity and a high tempo makes such a difference. Thought Kmac was class and made a real difference, his distribution and interceptions were excellent. Hector also brilliant, he really attacks the ball and organises the defense. Also thought Knockaert put a real shift in, both going forward and tracking back.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: MrFFC on January 18, 2020, 07:43:57 AM
Very good performance tonight. Thought all the subs from Parker were good tonight
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
Take a bow??? Having a laugh???

Three points is all there is to be claimed from that.  Other than that a shoddy and truly late offside flag being the only real complaint we can level against the officials or opponents.

For the first quarter of the match the performance was up there with our best this season, but after that the same sloppiness, lack of concentration, laziness, and failure to be good enough returned.  Parker hasn't upped his game by much and has no room for complacency but then he'll know that already.  Some of his charges are not as good as he or they think they are and he needs to call them out.  They consistently commit the same mistakes and that is the only consistency to be seen here, players and coaches who are consistently inconsistent.  I am though naming names other than the head coach; by now it should be beyond obvious to Parker and his crew and he needs to coach them better, chuck them out, or fall on his sword.

Even within that mere measly quarter of a game we squandered chances, easy chances, as we have done all season.
   
Possession has to have a purpose; passes must be made when you decide to pass, not when your opponents force you to pass; players must be aware of every option and not just the get out of gaol option; they should be getting it right by now but they are not and you practice getting it right until you absolutely know you should never get it wrong.  And it is a really tough learning curve that takes no prisoners.  Anyone who has ever leaned a craft the hard way knows how tough it can be.  But perhaps Parker isn't up to it.   

As you may be able to tell last night really disappointed me because 'Boro were a very poor team and we struggled to put them away.   That was a long way short of convincing in my book.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Twig on January 18, 2020, 09:08:55 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
Take a bow??? Having a laugh???

Three points is all there is to be claimed from that.  Other than that a shoddy and truly late offside flag being the only real complaint we can level against the officials or opponents.

For the first quarter of the match the performance was up there with our best this season, but after that the same sloppiness, lack of concentration, laziness, and failure to be good enough returned.  Parker hasn't upped his game by much and has no room for complacency but then he'll know that already.  Some of his charges are not as good as he or they think they are and he needs to call them out.  They consistently commit the same mistakes and that is the only consistency to be seen here, players and coaches who are consistently inconsistent.  I am though naming names other than the head coach; by now it should be beyond obvious to Parker and his crew and he needs to coach them better, chuck them out, or fall on his sword.

Even within that mere measly quarter of a game we squandered chances, easy chances, as we have done all season.
   
Possession has to have a purpose; passes must be made when you decide to pass, not when your opponents force you to pass; players must be aware of every option and not just the get out of gaol option; they should be getting it right by now but they are not and you practice getting it right until you absolutely know you should never get it wrong.  And it is a really tough learning curve that takes no prisoners.  Anyone who has ever leaned a craft the hard way knows how tough it can be.  But perhaps Parker isn't up to it.   

As you may be able to tell last night really disappointed me because 'Boro were a very poor team and we struggled to put them away.   That was a long way short of convincing in my book.

I disagree on so many levels but let's address the exaggeration (presumably to try to bolster your point).  We played beautifully for just over 30 mins of the first half. That alone is a third of the match not "a measly quarter".  We also reverted to that dominance for a period after Stef Jo replaced TC.  Add it together and you get just short of half the match.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: Twig on January 18, 2020, 09:08:55 AM
I disagree on so many levels but let's address the exaggeration (presumably to try to bolster your point).  We played beautifully for just over 30 mins of the first half. That alone is a third of the match not "a measly quarter".  We also reverted to that dominance for a period after Stef Jo replaced TC.  Add it together and you get just short of half the match.
I disagree with you on all that you have written, but so what?
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: colinwhite on January 18, 2020, 09:18:01 AM
Great performance tonight .Parker is grudually getting it sorted and we have evolved the style since leeds ,which he deserves alot of credit for.Credit also to the OP .Its hasnt all been great but lets hope we can build on that first half.Come on Fulham !
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Stevieboy on January 18, 2020, 09:23:57 AM
More people on here happy than not, (except one!), for a change.
If this is the start of our final push and we are building game upon game I still believe we can get an automatic promotion. I won't stop believing this until mathematically impossible.
Let's raise those half full glasses and toast the boys, it'll be full glasses of champagne come May.

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Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: ALG01 on January 18, 2020, 09:32:39 AM
Quote from: Count Flapula on January 18, 2020, 12:04:23 AM
Forget game of 2 halves, that was a game of 3 thirds.

Our movement, combination play and invention in the first half hour was something to behold - Boro players were looking around at each other wondering what was happening. The 15 mins either side of half time we inexplicably dropped off deep and couldn't string 2 passes together.

Fair play to Scott Parker though - when TC started flagging due to being not quite match fit yet he made the right choice and brought on StefJo, who's running and really intelligent contribution swang the game back in our favour.

Although he's made some errors (which manager doesn't?), he seems to try and learn from mistakes rather than be tactically rigid so is brave enough to try and change things which is a promising sign for his growth as a manager.

That's four wins and a draw in his last six league games I think. I hope he learns/evolves enough in time to meet our goals (I.e. before Fulham sacks him) as I think he has the makings to be a successful manager somewhere.

I have to say that your analysis almost exactly mirrors how i saw the game, so you must be right!
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: colinwhite on January 18, 2020, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
Take a bow??? Having a laugh???

Three points is all there is to be claimed from that.  Other than that a shoddy and truly late offside flag being the only real complaint we can level against the officials or opponents.

For the first quarter of the match the performance was up there with our best this season, but after that the same sloppiness, lack of concentration, laziness, and failure to be good enough returned.  Parker hasn't upped his game by much and has no room for complacency but then he'll know that already.  Some of his charges are not as good as he or they think they are and he needs to call them out.  They consistently commit the same mistakes and that is the only consistency to be seen here, players and coaches who are consistently inconsistent.  I am though naming names other than the head coach; by now it should be beyond obvious to Parker and his crew and he needs to coach them better, chuck them out, or fall on his sword.

Even within that mere measly quarter of a game we squandered chances, easy chances, as we have done all season.
   
Possession has to have a purpose; passes must be made when you decide to pass, not when your opponents force you to pass; players must be aware of every option and not just the get out of gaol option; they should be getting it right by now but they are not and you practice getting it right until you absolutely know you should never get it wrong.  And it is a really tough learning curve that takes no prisoners.  Anyone who has ever leaned a craft the hard way knows how tough it can be.  But perhaps Parker isn't up to it.   

As you may be able to tell last night really disappointed me because 'Boro were a very poor team and we struggled to put them away.   That was a long way short of convincing in my book.

Our possession had purpose tonight and the performance in the first 35 minutes was superb. As good as anything under Jokanovic,and I am one of his biggest fans.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
Take a bow??? Having a laugh???

Three points is all there is to be claimed from that.  Other than that a shoddy and truly late offside flag being the only real complaint we can level against the officials or opponents.

For the first quarter of the match the performance was up there with our best this season, but after that the same sloppiness, lack of concentration, laziness, and failure to be good enough returned.  Parker hasn't upped his game by much and has no room for complacency but then he'll know that already.  Some of his charges are not as good as he or they think they are and he needs to call them out.  They consistently commit the same mistakes and that is the only consistency to be seen here, players and coaches who are consistently inconsistent.  I am though naming names other than the head coach; by now it should be beyond obvious to Parker and his crew and he needs to coach them better, chuck them out, or fall on his sword.

Even within that mere measly quarter of a game we squandered chances, easy chances, as we have done all season.
   
Possession has to have a purpose; passes must be made when you decide to pass, not when your opponents force you to pass; players must be aware of every option and not just the get out of gaol option; they should be getting it right by now but they are not and you practice getting it right until you absolutely know you should never get it wrong.  And it is a really tough learning curve that takes no prisoners.  Anyone who has ever leaned a craft the hard way knows how tough it can be.  But perhaps Parker isn't up to it.   

As you may be able to tell last night really disappointed me because 'Boro were a very poor team and we struggled to put them away.   That was a long way short of convincing in my book.

I have to confess that this is one of the few times in my memory that I disagree with you in more or less all what you have said on this particular post, I dread to think what you would have said if we had come away with a draw. It's not Parker's fault we squandered chances, or had a perfectly good goal disallowed or Mitro being injured. At this stage of the season it's all about those three massive points.
The first 20 minutes alone was worth the admission fee.
So be grateful for small mercy's.
Ok if Scott Parker is not your cup of tea that's fine, but please do not use any part of last nights that did not suit your expectations, then dissect it, and use it as a club to beat Parker over the head with it.
In other words refrain from looking for problems that don't exist.
Happy days and enjoy the ride, and just relax. There are even better days to come.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: grandad on January 18, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 12:41:06 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 18, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
8/10.

We started very well and his tactical decisions in the second half worked well.

But it was only 1-0, at home to a poor team (albeit in decent form) and they hit the bar.

We need to win the next 5 for Parker to get a "meets expectations" from me. 

I don't expect he will lose any sleep over your opinion.

064.gif  :plus one:
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
I have to confess that this is one of the few times in my memory that I disagree with you in more or less all what you have said on this particular post, I dread to think what you would have said if we had come away with a draw. It's not Parker's fault we squandered chances, or had a perfectly good goal disallowed or Mitro being injured. At this stage of the season it's all about those three massive points.
The first 20 minutes alone was worth the admission fee.
So be grateful for small mercy's.
Ok if Scott Parker is not your cup of tea that's fine, but please do not use any part of last nights that did not suit your expectations, then dissect it, and use it as a club to beat Parker over the head with it.
In other words refrain from looking for problems that don't exist.
Happy days and enjoy the ride, and just relax. There are even better days to come.
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about Parker who I have consistently backed for the whole season from the moment of his appointment. 

My comments about last night's game are everything I see about repetitive mistakes on the pitch of which bad finishing and sloppy negative passing has dominated.  They are coaching issues.  I already said the first twenty two and a half minutes was up there with the best we have played this season.  I get slagged off for exaggeration by Twig saying it was beautiful football for seven and a half minutes longer!
And now you imply Parker is not my cup of tea!  My concern is that progress is not being made to play at the standard this team should be able to play at.  It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team, made us look better than we really are (which I also said about Millwall).   

I shall endeavour to make myself clearer in future if I can find the means to do so.   
   
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Statto on January 18, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: grandad on January 18, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 12:41:06 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 18, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
8/10.

We started very well and his tactical decisions in the second half worked well.

But it was only 1-0, at home to a poor team (albeit in decent form) and they hit the bar.

We need to win the next 5 for Parker to get a "meets expectations" from me. 

I don't expect he will lose any sleep over your opinion.

064.gif  :plus one:

I love how you've both added such profound, intelligent critical analysis to the debate here, whilst remaining respectful of my opinion. You truly add so much to the forum. We need more people like you! 
:Haynes The Maestro:
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Twig on January 18, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: Twig on January 18, 2020, 09:08:55 AM
I disagree on so many levels but let's address the exaggeration (presumably to try to bolster your point).  We played beautifully for just over 30 mins of the first half. That alone is a third of the match not "a measly quarter".  We also reverted to that dominance for a period after Stef Jo replaced TC.  Add it together and you get just short of half the match.
I disagree with you on all that you have written, but so what?

Well all I wrote was duration of time so either we were using different watches or took a different view of how long we played well for.  I didn't write anything else that you could dispute.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: SP on January 18, 2020, 12:03:35 PM
Also, I think Scott's post match interview was actually worth listening to & a vast improvement, he's learning on all fronts.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: KJS on January 18, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
1 problem is TC is now looking like a weak link
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: YoungsBitter on January 18, 2020, 12:30:46 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
I have to confess that this is one of the few times in my memory that I disagree with you in more or less all what you have said on this particular post, I dread to think what you would have said if we had come away with a draw. It's not Parker's fault we squandered chances, or had a perfectly good goal disallowed or Mitro being injured. At this stage of the season it's all about those three massive points.
The first 20 minutes alone was worth the admission fee.
So be grateful for small mercy's.
Ok if Scott Parker is not your cup of tea that's fine, but please do not use any part of last nights that did not suit your expectations, then dissect it, and use it as a club to beat Parker over the head with it.
In other words refrain from looking for problems that don't exist.
Happy days and enjoy the ride, and just relax. There are even better days to come.
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about Parker who I have consistently backed for the whole season from the moment of his appointment. 

My comments about last night's game are everything I see about repetitive mistakes on the pitch of which bad finishing and sloppy negative passing has dominated.  They are coaching issues.  I already said the first twenty two and a half minutes was up there with the best we have played this season.  I get slagged off for exaggeration by Twig saying it was beautiful football for seven and a half minutes longer!
And now you imply Parker is not my cup of tea!  My concern is that progress is not being made to play at the standard this team should be able to play at.  It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team, made us look better than we really are (which I also said about Millwall).   

I shall endeavour to make myself clearer in future if I can find the means to do so.   
   
You do know that coming in to the game Boro were one of two in form teams in the Championship? They are Brentford are the best teams over the last 8 games ("It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team). The expensive tag is reductive, every team in the top half is expensive compared to Luton and Barnsley, especially if you put a market value on loanees like the two Boro had out there.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Spirit of 2000 on January 18, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: YoungsBitter on January 18, 2020, 12:30:46 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
I have to confess that this is one of the few times in my memory that I disagree with you in more or less all what you have said on this particular post, I dread to think what you would have said if we had come away with a draw. It's not Parker's fault we squandered chances, or had a perfectly good goal disallowed or Mitro being injured. At this stage of the season it's all about those three massive points.
The first 20 minutes alone was worth the admission fee.
So be grateful for small mercy's.
Ok if Scott Parker is not your cup of tea that's fine, but please do not use any part of last nights that did not suit your expectations, then dissect it, and use it as a club to beat Parker over the head with it.
In other words refrain from looking for problems that don't exist.
Happy days and enjoy the ride, and just relax. There are even better days to come.
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about Parker who I have consistently backed for the whole season from the moment of his appointment. 

My comments about last night's game are everything I see about repetitive mistakes on the pitch of which bad finishing and sloppy negative passing has dominated.  They are coaching issues.  I already said the first twenty two and a half minutes was up there with the best we have played this season.  I get slagged off for exaggeration by Twig saying it was beautiful football for seven and a half minutes longer!
And now you imply Parker is not my cup of tea!  My concern is that progress is not being made to play at the standard this team should be able to play at.  It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team, made us look better than we really are (which I also said about Millwall).   

I shall endeavour to make myself clearer in future if I can find the means to do so.   
   
You do know that coming in to the game Boro were one of two in form teams in the Championship? They are Brentford are the best teams over the last 8 games ("It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team). The expensive tag is reductive, every team in the top half is expensive compared to Luton and Barnsley, especially if you put a market value on loanees like the two Boro had out there.

Exactly Boro are one of the form sides and the 1st half hour isxthe best we've played all season,  so the instructions from Parker were clearly there. Its not Parkers fault the individual players missed the easy chances they did and with Mitrovic on there tonight we would have got a couple more. If we win that game 4 or 5 nil as we should have on clear chances then I'm sure most people would hail the performance as the best or one of the best of the season. Credit where its due and the 1st half hour was in contrast to the usual slow and over deliberate way we begin most games. If Parker messes up I will criticise as I have so often this season but I saw a lot including awareness with subs to make me optimistic last night.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Tabby on January 18, 2020, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: KJS on January 18, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
1 problem is TC is now looking like a weak link

He is still unfit, which is why he was subbed. He is the one who picked out Bryan so that he had the space to deliver the cross and was key in a lot of the combination play that went on.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: YoungsBitter on January 18, 2020, 12:30:46 PM
You do know that coming in to the game Boro were one of two in form teams in the Championship? They are Brentford are the best teams over the last 8 games ("It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team). The expensive tag is reductive, every team in the top half is expensive compared to Luton and Barnsley, especially if you put a market value on loanees like the two Boro had out there.
Well if you read my posts you will know I was the person to point out that Reading and 'Boro were the in form sides.  Brentford's record up the last round of games was identical to ours and not the best. 

Excuse me if I judge your comment to be ill thought out.

Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 12:56:39 PM
Quote from: Tabby on January 18, 2020, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: KJS on January 18, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
1 problem is TC is now looking like a weak link

He is still unfit, which is why he was subbed. He is the one who picked out Bryan so that he had the space to deliver the cross and was key in a lot of the combination play that went on.
Yes, his pass was one of the best of the night, IMO, but he did look worn out by substitution time.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: colinwhite on January 18, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
Hes going to have to sharpen up to keep his place.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 18, 2020, 10:35:11 AM
I have to confess that this is one of the few times in my memory that I disagree with you in more or less all what you have said on this particular post, I dread to think what you would have said if we had come away with a draw. It's not Parker's fault we squandered chances, or had a perfectly good goal disallowed or Mitro being injured. At this stage of the season it's all about those three massive points.
The first 20 minutes alone was worth the admission fee.
So be grateful for small mercy's.
Ok if Scott Parker is not your cup of tea that's fine, but please do not use any part of last nights that did not suit your expectations, then dissect it, and use it as a club to beat Parker over the head with it.
In other words refrain from looking for problems that don't exist.
Happy days and enjoy the ride, and just relax. There are even better days to come.
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings about Parker who I have consistently backed for the whole season from the moment of his appointment. 

My comments about last night's game are everything I see about repetitive mistakes on the pitch of which bad finishing and sloppy negative passing has dominated.  They are coaching issues.  I already said the first twenty two and a half minutes was up there with the best we have played this season.  I get slagged off for exaggeration by Twig saying it was beautiful football for seven and a half minutes longer!
And now you imply Parker is not my cup of tea!  My concern is that progress is not being made to play at the standard this team should be able to play at.  It is an expensive outfit and yet 'Boro, a rather poor team, made us look better than we really are (which I also said about Millwall).   

I shall endeavour to make myself clearer in future if I can find the means to do so.   
   

That's is good to hear as you are a poster I have a lot of respect for as you see things in a match that I only realise later. Your analysis is often sublime, but enough of my hero worshipping TM.
I note that the Leeds match ended in a defeat for the Leeds manager which signifies that even he cannot walk on water. So should Leeds sack him ????
So it's all on the day and a dog fight for all and sundry. But so far so good this weekend.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: AnOldBrownie on January 18, 2020, 02:54:17 PM
Quote from: Worcesterwhite on January 18, 2020, 07:35:58 AM
Got to agree really enjoyed watching us tonight, we played with real intensity and a high tempo makes such a difference. Thought Kmac was class and made a real difference, his distribution and interceptions were excellent. Hector also brilliant, he really attacks the ball and organises the defense. Also thought Knockaert put a real shift in, both going forward and tracking back.
Quote from: toshes mate on January 18, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
Take a bow??? Having a laugh???

Three points is all there is to be claimed from that.  Other than that a shoddy and truly late offside flag being the only real complaint we can level against the officials or opponents.

For the first quarter of the match the performance was up there with our best this season, but after that the same sloppiness, lack of concentration, laziness, and failure to be good enough returned.  Parker hasn't upped his game by much and has no room for complacency but then he'll know that already.  Some of his charges are not as good as he or they think they are and he needs to call them out.  They consistently commit the same mistakes and that is the only consistency to be seen here, players and coaches who are consistently inconsistent.  I am though naming names other than the head coach; by now it should be beyond obvious to Parker and his crew and he needs to coach them better, chuck them out, or fall on his sword.

Even within that mere measly quarter of a game we squandered chances, easy chances, as we have done all season.
   
Possession has to have a purpose; passes must be made when you decide to pass, not when your opponents force you to pass; players must be aware of every option and not just the get out of gaol option; they should be getting it right by now but they are not and you practice getting it right until you absolutely know you should never get it wrong.  And it is a really tough learning curve that takes no prisoners.  Anyone who has ever leaned a craft the hard way knows how tough it can be.  But perhaps Parker isn't up to it.   

As you may be able to tell last night really disappointed me because 'Boro were a very poor team and we struggled to put them away.   That was a long way short of convincing in my book.
Wait...joke post? Boro a poor side?

You're having a laugh.

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Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: filham on January 18, 2020, 03:24:11 PM
Our problems have switched from a leaky defence to an impotent attack.

Parker got everything right yesterday and we were without doubt the better team.

However only a single goal scored at home is not good enough and is not going to be sufficient to win most matches.
What is the situation with Kamara, he may be capable of scoring at half the rate of Mitro which would give us twice us much chance of a couple of goals in our next game as we will get without him or Mitro.

Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: DevonFFC on January 18, 2020, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: filham on January 18, 2020, 03:24:11 PM
Our problems have switched from a leaky defence to an impotent attack.

Parker got everything right yesterday and we were without doubt the better team.

However only a single goal scored at home is not good enough and is not going to be sufficient to win most matches.
What is the situation with Kamara, he may be capable of scoring at half the rate of Mitro which would give us twice us much chance of a couple of goals in our next game as we will get without him or Mitro.


If you don't concede then a single goal is all you need. Bobby Reid got 20 goals playing as a number 9 got Bristol City.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: fulhamben on January 18, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: filham on January 18, 2020, 03:24:11 PM
Our problems have switched from a leaky defence to an impotent attack.

Parker got everything right yesterday and we were without doubt the better team.

However only a single goal scored at home is not good enough and is not going to be sufficient to win most matches.
What is the situation with Kamara, he may be capable of scoring at half the rate of Mitro which would give us twice us much chance of a couple of goals in our next game as we will get without him or Mitro.


im sure someone posted stats that showed that kamara actually scores more goals per min than mitro does. Plus gets more assists too
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: colinwhite on January 18, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
Nothing impotent about our attack . We could have had 6 or 7 and on another day we will
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: General on January 18, 2020, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: KJS on January 18, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
1 problem is TC is now looking like a weak link

He's been ill. Not sure I'd put it down to anything more.
Title: Re: Scott Parker
Post by: Sting of the North on January 18, 2020, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: KJS on January 18, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
1 problem is TC is now looking like a weak link

To me it's baffling to state that after the first half yesterday. He was involved in virtually everything while at the same time breaking up play on a number of occasions. Him and KMac (or maybe rather their understanding of each other) were the main reasons for our complete dominance for the first 30 minutes. To me TC is the absolute opposite of a weak link. He is the brain that makes us tick on those too rare occasions we do.