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Title: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Riversider on January 23, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
I think it's become abundantly clear after that dismal showing last night, that it would be a massive mistake by all those running Fulham Football Club , to think that we can go another 3 weeks without a striker until Mitro returns,
As much as I would love us to sign a decent right back , right now a decent striker must take priority, so then LVBPT, with your ear close to the Motspur Park ground, is another striking option on the radar ? Is it something that you can see happening ?
Thankfully for Fulham Football Club (and also for Leeds and WBA) this is the weakest most abysmal collection of teams in The Championship for many a long year, one decent striking option signed now would make all the difference.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.

Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: ByTheRiver on January 23, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.



Blimey. I hadn't looked in that depth either, good info.

Someone get an email for Tony Khan: Striker, goal scoring ACM, and dedicated, pacey, LW ASAP please.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: filham on January 23, 2020, 10:22:12 AM
Bobby Reid has had chances this season and has clearly demonstrated that he is no goalscorer at Championship level.

We have a problem though as hopefully in two or three matches time Kamara and Mitro will be fit and then any new signing will spend the remainder of the season without a game and the club will have wasted a few million.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: filham on January 23, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
Right, we have an opportunity to experiment in Sunday's no win match.
The first name on the team sheet has to be Stansfield.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: ByTheRiver on January 23, 2020, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: filham on January 23, 2020, 10:22:12 AM
Bobby Reid has had chances this season and has clearly demonstrated that he is no goalscorer at Championship level.

We have a problem though as hopefully in two or three matches time Kamara and Mitro will be fit and then any new signing will spend the remainder of the season without a game and the club will have wasted a few million.

Well, yeah, there is that too. Massively unfortunate timing for Kamara. He looked good against QPR earlier in the season when Mitro was suspended. He'd have been begging for a chance like these last couple of weeks and I reckon he could have pulled it off (no Mitro, but still...). Sods law that both are out at the same time.

Given that its the cup and the cup is the least of our worries, I'd be tempted to chuck Jay Stansfield or Taylor-Crossdale straight in from the start on Sunday.

If they perform well (let's be honest, we are almost certainly going out! Especially as City will now take the cup very seriously given the league is all but gone), perhaps they could do a job for the next couple of weeks... Not ideal given the importance of every single Championship game at this point, but not sure we have too many options. 
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Statto on January 23, 2020, 10:31:49 AM
I wasn't aware of this rule change that goals are no longer allowed to be scored from set pieces. Thanks for the info.

...Back in the real world, Jokanovic had us playing like a top 2 team for a full half season with Floyd Ayite up front. If we can't now survive for a few weeks with one of Kamara, Reid, Cavaleiro or Knockaert in that position then something is very wrong.   
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: ByTheRiver on January 23, 2020, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 23, 2020, 10:31:49 AM
I wasn't aware of this rule change that goals are no longer allowed to be scored from set pieces. Thanks for the info.

...Back in the real world, Jokanovic had us playing like a top 2 team for a full half season with Floyd Ayite up front. If we can't now survive for a few weeks with one of Kamara, Reid, Cavaleiro or Knockaert in that position then something is very wrong.   

Indeed, but this has been the problem all season - Parker is not Slav. A good manager and a good system can make average players seem good (Malone, Aluko, etc) and good players seem average (take your pick from any of our current squad).

Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: LVBPTS on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Lighthouse on January 23, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
I think it would be a waste now to spend money on a forward. We have the players still in the team who can score goals. The only problem is setting the team up properly. Remember that yesterday we had no forwards, one wide player was missing, several midfield players were out and those that were playing looked to be getting back to fitness and would probably preferred to have a few more weeks off. By the time a forward is brought in and gets up to speed the injury problem may have eased.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: LVBPTS on January 23, 2020, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 23, 2020, 10:47:44 AM
I think it would be a waste now to spend money on a forward. We have the players still in the team who can score goals. The only problem is setting the team up properly. Remember that yesterday we had no forwards, one wide player was missing, several midfield players were out and those that were playing looked to be getting back to fitness and would probably preferred to have a few more weeks off. By the time a forward is brought in and gets up to speed the injury problem may have eased.


i have to agree with you here. we have the players, its just availability currently.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Bassey the warrior on January 23, 2020, 11:12:01 AM
I agree with lighthouse, bringing in a squad striker isn't the best way of doing it. We need to work on movement off the ball, Parker can coach players to make more runs as we were static last night.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 23, 2020, 10:31:49 AM
I wasn't aware of this rule change that goals are no longer allowed to be scored from set pieces. Thanks for the info.

...Back in the real world, Jokanovic had us playing like a top 2 team for a full half season with Floyd Ayite up front. If we can't now survive for a few weeks with one of Kamara, Reid, Cavaleiro or Knockaert in that position then something is very wrong.

As the rest of the Slavisa team (not including CF) scored "1.45 goals per game" in 16/17, with a CF like Bobby Reid upfront you'll get 1.65 goals per game, which better than us with Mitro.

As the rest of the Parker team (not including CF) scored "0.79 goals per game" in 19/20, with a CF like Bobby Reid upfront you'll get 0.99 goals per game. If we can only score a goal a game, while Kamara and Mitro are away we will have problems.

Something is very wrong, this team is totally dependent on a centre forward that scores around half of the team's goals. And, apart from scoring from set-pieces the records of Reid, Cavaleiro and Knockaert as centre forwards are actually very poor indeed (about 66 games, 11 open play goals, 4 scoring fromset pieces and 3 penalties).
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Matt10 on January 23, 2020, 12:55:29 PM
2 of the 3 chances that Reid had, Mitro would never have even gotten to take a first touch on. They were through balls well into space and required some decent pace to get onto. Reid also got each of his chances on target. He just wasn't clinical enough, and one of them was a good save from the keeper from far out.

He is a player who has scored above 10 goals in the Championship, so there should be no talk of him not able to score at the Championship level. Unfortunately, we're not getting the goal scoring output that we signed him for. We are getting everything else from him though - and he's played that part very well. Just need to keep sending him up to get more efforts on goal.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.



According to transfermarkt, he only played as a centre forward in 7 matches in the League in 2017/18, which is the season he was in goal scoring form. Also the scored 19 league goal not 17. And 21 in total
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.


According to transfermarkt, he only played as a centre forward in 7 matches in the League in 2017/18, which is the season he was in goal scoring form. Also the scored 19 league goal not 17. And 21 in total

I took the numbers from whoscored, but transfermarket says as centre-forward he played 7 games and scored in 1 game (i.e. worse than Rui Fonte form).
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: toshes mate on January 23, 2020, 01:50:31 PM
Trying to be pragmatic I believe the lack of clear opportunities to score is caused by failing to dominate when we have possession.  The team is guilty of trying to force conclusions to attacks rather than thinking about how to turn possession into the art of moving defenders out of position.  Partly to do with player selection and partly to do with mindsets, it requires patience and I am getting the message that FFC currently don't understand the meaning of the word.  It certainly has nothing to do with slow build up but everything to do with simple ploys that defenders will fall for at least some of the time.

Parker mentions squandering good chances last night but I'd rather see clear cut opportunities rather than those you know, from percentages, that are going to end up anywhere but the net.  And I am unconvinced that new signings are going to make a scrap of difference.  This current team even allowing for injuries etc should be good enough.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Steven Ageroad on January 23, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
What was the name of the striker who was scoring goals for fun for the juniors a few seasons ago, who many people on this board were crying out to start for the first team, he finished up at Southend and didn't set the world alight, I think he has just disappeared. I think it show's that the junior striker has to be very special for the manager to include him in the team especially if the centre half up against him is an experienced 30 year old who's been around a long time.
I'm sure that a few names will be mentioned to disprove my comment but there are very far and few.
I think the player's name who went to Southend began with a B.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: love4ffc on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least


Circling back to this statement.  Am I reading that right? 

TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation

Surely if that was right then the club would have brought someone in to cover for him for the remainder of the season. 
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Deeping_white on January 23, 2020, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on January 23, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
What was the name of the striker who was scoring goals for fun for the juniors a few seasons ago, who many people on this board were crying out to start for the first team, he finished up at Southend and didn't set the world alight, I think he has just disappeared. I think it show's that the junior striker has to be very special for the manager to include him in the team especially if the centre half up against him is an experienced 30 year old who's been around a long time.
I'm sure that a few names will be mentioned to disprove my comment but there are very far and few.
I think the player's name who went to Southend began with a B.

Stevie Humphrys I think is who you're referring to?
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: FFC1987 on January 23, 2020, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 23, 2020, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on January 23, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
What was the name of the striker who was scoring goals for fun for the juniors a few seasons ago, who many people on this board were crying out to start for the first team, he finished up at Southend and didn't set the world alight, I think he has just disappeared. I think it show's that the junior striker has to be very special for the manager to include him in the team especially if the centre half up against him is an experienced 30 year old who's been around a long time.
I'm sure that a few names will be mentioned to disprove my comment but there are very far and few.
I think the player's name who went to Southend began with a B.

Stevie Humphrys I think is who you're referring to?

Didn't Humphies start off really though including a few goals against decent oppo in the cup? Seem to recall but might be wrong. I think people like to see the young guys who feature on the bench at least get tested, particularly in a game where we cried out for a striker. It only takes a goal from them and suddenly, fulled with confidence, they can flourish and fill a squad place and add something we might not of had. Could also be, he comes on, has a mare, and we don't see him feature anymore so its a delicate balance I suppose.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Steven Ageroad on January 23, 2020, 06:21:40 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2020, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 23, 2020, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on January 23, 2020, 02:50:48 PM
What was the name of the striker who was scoring goals for fun for the juniors a few seasons ago, who many people on this board were crying out to start for the first team, he finished up at Southend and didn't set the world alight, I think he has just disappeared. I think it show's that the junior striker has to be very special for the manager to include him in the team especially if the centre half up against him is an experienced 30 year old who's been around a long time.
I'm sure that a few names will be mentioned to disprove my comment but there are very far and few.
I think the player's name who went to Southend began with a B.

Stevie Humphrys I think is who you're referring to?

Didn't Humphies start off really though including a few goals against decent oppo in the cup? Seem to recall but might be wrong. I think people like to see the young guys who feature on the bench at least get tested, particularly in a game where we cried out for a striker. It only takes a goal from them and suddenly, fulled with confidence, they can flourish and fill a squad place and add something we might not of had. Could also be, he comes on, has a mare, and we don't see him feature anymore so its a delicate balance I suppose.

Yes Humphries was his name, I knew it began with B!!

That is what I was trying to get across, "It's a delicate balance" for a young striker.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.


According to transfermarkt, he only played as a centre forward in 7 matches in the League in 2017/18, which is the season he was in goal scoring form. Also the scored 19 league goal not 17. And 21 in total

I took the numbers from whoscored, but transfermarket says as centre-forward he played 7 games and scored in 1 game (i.e. worse than Rui Fonte form).

Im sure we could also pick 7 games where Mitro has scored 0 or 1 goal. What exactly is your point, that Rui Fonte is a better centre forward? Because you use 'facts' and present them in a very biased way is what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.


According to transfermarkt, he only played as a centre forward in 7 matches in the League in 2017/18, which is the season he was in goal scoring form. Also the scored 19 league goal not 17. And 21 in total

I took the numbers from whoscored, but transfermarket says as centre-forward he played 7 games and scored in 1 game (i.e. worse than Rui Fonte form).

Im sure we could also pick 7 games where Mitro has scored 0 or 1 goal. What exactly is your point, that Rui Fonte is a better centre forward? Because you use 'facts' and present them in a very biased way is what I'm getting at.

My point is Bobby Reid is not a proven goalscorer at centre forward, whoscored says he failed there over 50 games and transfermarmkt says he failed there 7 games (a very small sample), either way, when he has played there he hasn't scored as much as Rui Fonte. Can he adapt to the role maybe, but past attempts haven't been great.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 23, 2020, 10:56:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.


According to transfermarkt, he only played as a centre forward in 7 matches in the League in 2017/18, which is the season he was in goal scoring form. Also the scored 19 league goal not 17. And 21 in total

I took the numbers from whoscored, but transfermarket says as centre-forward he played 7 games and scored in 1 game (i.e. worse than Rui Fonte form).

Im sure we could also pick 7 games where Mitro has scored 0 or 1 goal. What exactly is your point, that Rui Fonte is a better centre forward? Because you use 'facts' and present them in a very biased way is what I'm getting at.

My point is Bobby Reid is not a proven goalscorer at centre forward, whoscored says he failed there over 50 games and transfermarmkt says he failed there 7 games (a very small sample), either way, when he has played there he hasn't scored as much as Rui Fonte. Can he adapt to the role maybe, but past attempts haven't been great.

There are times due to injuries and circumstances beyond a managers control he is forced to improvise, hence the reason why players are played out of position. It is what it is, that's life, the challenges are thrown at you, and the test is to deal with it as best you can.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: LVBPTS on January 24, 2020, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least


Circling back to this statement.  Am I reading that right? 

TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation

Surely if that was right then the club would have brought someone in to cover for him for the remainder of the season. 

as far as i am being told, hence the Zivkovic refernece
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Riversider on January 24, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 24, 2020, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least


Circling back to this statement.  Am I reading that right? 

TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation

Surely if that was right then the club would have brought someone in to cover for him for the remainder of the season. 

as far as i am being told, hence the Zivkovic refernece

Are you expecting much activity over the next 7 days ?
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: General on January 24, 2020, 01:30:05 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on January 23, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2020, 10:05:16 AM
I heard Bobby Reid got 17 goals as "centre forward" one season, but I didn't realise 4 were from set-pieces and 3 from penalties, meaning he got 10 from open play as a centre-forward. I looked closer and realised he has played 50 games as CF, playing 86 mins per game and scoring 10 open play goals (i.e every 433 minutes). In comparison, Rui Fonte scored at a rate of 298 minutes for Fulham as CF, which is significantly better than Bobby Reid's 433 minutes. Bobby Reid is not good enough as a centre forward to even be the third choice CF (if Mitro and Kamara are injured). Jay Stansfield, by comparison, is averaging a goal every 54 minutes at under 18s, but it's impossible to guess if he can score every 180 minutes in the Championship.


According to transfermarkt, he only played as a centre forward in 7 matches in the League in 2017/18, which is the season he was in goal scoring form. Also the scored 19 league goal not 17. And 21 in total

I took the numbers from whoscored, but transfermarket says as centre-forward he played 7 games and scored in 1 game (i.e. worse than Rui Fonte form).

Im sure we could also pick 7 games where Mitro has scored 0 or 1 goal. What exactly is your point, that Rui Fonte is a better centre forward? Because you use 'facts' and present them in a very biased way is what I'm getting at.

I've been trying to say the same thing to the trumpesque nature of the 'rational' fan too but he doesn't seem to get how his bias in influencing his statistics. What can you do?
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: LVBPTS on January 24, 2020, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 24, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 24, 2020, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least


Circling back to this statement.  Am I reading that right? 

TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation

Surely if that was right then the club would have brought someone in to cover for him for the remainder of the season. 

as far as i am being told, hence the Zivkovic refernece

Are you expecting much activity over the next 7 days ?

i dont know absolutely everything that is going on on the recruitment front but ive been told that there will be arrivals this week as long as there are no goalposts moved so to speak that has already happened a couple times this month already
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Jims Dentist on January 25, 2020, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 23, 2020, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: filham on January 23, 2020, 10:22:12 AM
Bobby Reid has had chances this season and has clearly demonstrated that he is no goalscorer at Championship level.

We have a problem though as hopefully in two or three matches time Kamara and Mitro will be fit and then any new signing will spend the remainder of the season without a game and the club will have wasted a few million.

Well, yeah, there is that too. Massively unfortunate timing for Kamara. He looked good against QPR earlier in the season when Mitro was suspended. He'd have been begging for a chance like these last couple of weeks and I reckon he could have pulled it off (no Mitro, but still...). Sods law that both are out at the same time.

Given that its the cup and the cup is the least of our worries, I'd be tempted to chuck Jay Stansfield or Taylor-Crossdale straight in from the start on Sunday.

If they perform well (let's be honest, we are almost certainly going out! Especially as City will now take the cup very seriously given the league is all but gone), perhaps they could do a job for the next couple of weeks... Not ideal given the importance of every single Championship game at this point, but not sure we have too many options. 
Really unfortunate for AK to be out not just when Mitro is injured but now Knocky also.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Jims Dentist on January 25, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
If Taylor-Crossdale is not up to stepping up for a few games, why have we signed him, he has barely even made the bench.
Few other teams operate without a back up to their central striker/target man.
I love AK but this is not his natural role.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Southcoastffc on January 25, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 25, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
If Taylor-Crossdale is not up to stepping up for a few games, why have we signed him, he has barely even made the bench.
Few other teams operate without a back up to their central striker/target man.
I love AK but this is not his natural role.
Taylor-Crossdale is 20, and played only a dozen or so games for us at PL2 and scored 4 goals - not a compelling case yet.
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: jayffc on January 25, 2020, 09:02:08 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on January 25, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 25, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
If Taylor-Crossdale is not up to stepping up for a few games, why have we signed him, he has barely even made the bench.
Few other teams operate without a back up to their central striker/target man.
I love AK but this is not his natural role.
Taylor-Crossdale is 20, and played only a dozen or so games for us at PL2 and scored 4 goals - not a compelling case yet.

Also he was a low risk punt, if he comes good, happy days, quid in, if not then it cost us next to nothing. He wasnt signed as a replacement for Mitro straight off the bat. That said....clearly Jay with his scoring has jumped the que or he might have made the bench more due to the injury crisis
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Riversider on January 29, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
LVBPT, just over 48 hours to go , is there anything in the Jota on loan rumours ?
Without discussing names or positions does there appear to be any activity bubbling away behind the scenes both in and out ?
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: LVBPTS on January 29, 2020, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 29, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
LVBPT, just over 48 hours to go , is there anything in the Jota on loan rumours ?
Without discussing names or positions does there appear to be any activity bubbling away behind the scenes both in and out ?

just replied to someone else on another thread mate
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: filham on January 29, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
Quote from: love4ffc on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least


Circling back to this statement.  Am I reading that right? 

TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation

Surely if that was right then the club would have brought someone in to cover for him for the remainder of the season. 

If it is true that Cairney is carrying an injury then Parker had best face the problem head on and get matters underway for an operation without delay, a half fit Cairney is a handicap.

We now have plenty of mid field cover with three places to be filled by McDonald, Johansen, Arter, Reed, Reid or Onomah
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: fulhamben on January 29, 2020, 07:51:41 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on January 25, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
If Taylor-Crossdale is not up to stepping up for a few games, why have we signed him, he has barely even made the bench.
Few other teams operate without a back up to their central striker/target man.
I love AK but this is not his natural role.
ak as in kamara? He was exceptional the last time he played as the lone striker for us
Title: Re: LVBPT, cheer us all up please
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 29, 2020, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 24, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 24, 2020, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: love4ffc on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: LVBPT on January 23, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
this will annoy a lot on here im sure but, as im given it, Zivkovic from benfica has been offered again as cover for TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation and with De Le Torre off to Sweden, likely we will look into it.
if i remember correctly, we were linked with Zivkovic last summer. plays with Mitro in the Serbia national team.

all that said, dont put too much into us signing him as there is also a school of thought that BDR can play there and cover if TC is forced out

not good news at the moment but a snippet at least


Circling back to this statement.  Am I reading that right? 

TC as he has been playing injured for weeks and is likely in need of an operation

Surely if that was right then the club would have brought someone in to cover for him for the remainder of the season. 

as far as i am being told, hence the Zivkovic refernece

Are you expecting much activity over the next 7 days ?

My crack intelligence unit inform me that there is a lorry load of paper clips arriving at Motspur Park before the end of the week.