Seen a lot of Cup shocks over the years , League 1/2 sides beating Premier sides , almost always lumping it forward getting in behind and scoring. Do Fulham players/management really think they are going to play through a top Euro team ???
apparently so. It makes for embarrassing viewing quite frankly.
When you try to play like Man City against Man City it gives a stark comparison of how poor we actually are.
Just would like to add that when you are the underdog you do not try and beat the opposition at their own game. Absolutely no variety displayed today, same old, same old, even after going a man down continued in same vein as though just going through the motions.
We stopped doing cup upsets in 2010. As has been said, we try and beat superior teams at their own game and it shows.
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 02:32:59 PM
Seen a lot of Cup shocks over the years , League 1/2 sides beating Premier sides , almost always lumping it forward getting in behind and scoring. Do Fulham players/management really think they are going to play through a top Euro team ???
Good point.
Thought some players looked frightened at times as well...
How can we lump it forward when we don't have a single striker on the pitch. What would be the point
Nothing to do with having strikers on the pitch, more to do with having players in the opposition half, which from my view seemed to be a no-go area.
We don't ever seem to play with any heart .... look at Shrewsbury tonight
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on January 26, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
We don't ever seem to play with any heart .... look at Shrewsbury tonight
should have won, was a blatant hand ball at the end and missed some sitters. Proper freak of an own goal as well
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on January 26, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
We don't ever seem to play with any heart .... look at Shrewsbury tonight
They played with passion, belief and skill we just don't have.
The issue is for Shrewsbury it is a once in multi year opportunity to make a lot of cash (which they now have).
Our big opportunity is the PL ... why would we put all our efforts into the FAC ?
Quote from: Robbie on January 26, 2020, 07:37:00 PM
The issue is for Shrewsbury it is a once in multi year opportunity to make a lot of cash (which they now have).
Our big opportunity is the PL ... why would we put all our efforts into the FAC ?
Played the first team bar Cairney and possibly McDonald. Not like Parker put out the u23 team.
Quote from: Robbie on January 26, 2020, 07:37:00 PM
The issue is for Shrewsbury it is a once in multi year opportunity to make a lot of cash (which they now have).
Our big opportunity is the PL ... why would we put all our efforts into the FAC ?
Why not, Fulham are suppose to be professional, it is a competition and we are suppose to compete. Fulham should learn from Shrewsbury's honest commitment, because it creates team spirit and respect for one another as well as increases morale. Winning becomes a habit as does losing. Whereas Fulham always seem to be frightened of their own shadows, that is why we are
often losers. I hope Fulham and not just the players watched the Shrewsbury game, they might just learn something. But then you cannot make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 26, 2020, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: Robbie on January 26, 2020, 07:37:00 PM
The issue is for Shrewsbury it is a once in multi year opportunity to make a lot of cash (which they now have).
Our big opportunity is the PL ... why would we put all our efforts into the FAC ?
Why not, Fulham are suppose to be professional, it is a competition and we are suppose to compete. Fulham should learn from Shrewsbury's honest commitment, because it creates team spirit and respect for one another as well as increases morale. Winning becomes a habit as does losing. Whereas Fulham always seem to be frightened of their own shadows, that is why we are
often losers. I hope Fulham and not just the players watched the Shrewsbury game, they might just learn something. But then you cannot make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Not easy to compete when your Captain gets needlessly sent off against the Premier League champions after 6 minutes.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 26, 2020, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 26, 2020, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: Robbie on January 26, 2020, 07:37:00 PM
The issue is for Shrewsbury it is a once in multi year opportunity to make a lot of cash (which they now have).
Our big opportunity is the PL ... why would we put all our efforts into the FAC ?
Why not, Fulham are suppose to be professional, it is a competition and we are suppose to compete. Fulham should learn from Shrewsbury's honest commitment, because it creates team spirit and respect for one another as well as increases morale. Winning becomes a habit as does losing. Whereas Fulham always seem to be frightened of their own shadows, that is why we are
often losers. I hope Fulham and not just the players watched the Shrewsbury game, they might just learn something. But then you cannot make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Not easy to compete when your Captain gets needlessly sent off against the Premier League champions after 6 minutes.
No it is not easy, but strength does not come from winning, your troubles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 26, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on January 26, 2020, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 26, 2020, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: Robbie on January 26, 2020, 07:37:00 PM
The issue is for Shrewsbury it is a once in multi year opportunity to make a lot of cash (which they now have).
Our big opportunity is the PL ... why would we put all our efforts into the FAC ?
Why not, Fulham are suppose to be professional, it is a competition and we are suppose to compete. Fulham should learn from Shrewsbury's honest commitment, because it creates team spirit and respect for one another as well as increases morale. Winning becomes a habit as does losing. Whereas Fulham always seem to be frightened of their own shadows, that is why we are
often losers. I hope Fulham and not just the players watched the Shrewsbury game, they might just learn something. But then you cannot make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Not easy to compete when your Captain gets needlessly sent off against the Premier League champions after 6 minutes.
No it is not easy, but strength does not come from winning, your troubles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength.
I agree.
We were missing four of our best attacking players and went down 1-0 and a man down inside 7 mins, and it was still only 2-0 with 20 minutes left, and people on here are complaining that we showed a lack of heart? They're way better than we are, even with some second-teamers in the lineup. We tried to play, even with 10 men, and defended quite well when we didn't pass them the ball 25 yards from our own goal. What more did you all want from this given what happened with Ream?
Entirely agree with that Denver. Incredible over reaction to a result that was almost done prior to kick off.
When the opposition has over £400m worth of players on the pitch, away from home and you have 10 men, i thought it was worthy of praise not the incredible back lash that we've seen on here and TIFF.
Quote from: Jim© on January 27, 2020, 09:31:49 AM
Entirely agree with that Denver. Incredible over reaction to a result that was almost done prior to kick off.
When the opposition has over £400m worth of players on the pitch, away from home and you have 10 men, i thought it was worthy of praise not the incredible back lash that we've seen on here and TIFF.
Spot on. Given the circumstances I thought the team did well.
Quote from: Oakeshott on January 27, 2020, 09:54:50 AM
Quote from: Jim© on January 27, 2020, 09:31:49 AM
Entirely agree with that Denver. Incredible over reaction to a result that was almost done prior to kick off.
When the opposition has over £400m worth of players on the pitch, away from home and you have 10 men, i thought it was worthy of praise not the incredible back lash that we've seen on here and TIFF.
Spot on. Given the circumstances I thought the team did well.
Yes it is hard to see , after that disasterous start , how we could have come away with anything better, However we were making similar mistakes to those we usually make due to our tactics but these were magnified by the quality of the opposition and hopefully Parker can now clearly see that tactical changes are needed to suit our players abilities.
Parker has one hell of a job this week if he is to motivate the team sufficiently to enable us to score the goals that will be needed to pick up three points on Saturday.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on January 26, 2020, 03:46:52 PM
We stopped doing cup upsets in 2010. As has been said, we try and beat superior teams at their own game and it shows.
In the EPL and Now, we have done well against teams with similar squads to us Derby, Aston Villa, Burnley, Southampton, Huddersfield, Brighton, Bournemouth, Cardiff, WBA, and Leeds. Our problem is we have lost almost every game with someone better than us (i.e. any of the top 13 teams in England) and have plenty of upsets with squads significantly worse than us like Barnsley, Luton and Charlton.
We need to learn to play as both an underdog (against ManCity with us playing for a draw) and as the top dog (against Charlton with them playing for a scoreless draw), not only as an equal (against WBA and Leeds).
I understand all this talk about Shrewsbury, but although they were playing Liverpool, the team Klopp put out were of a similar standard to Shrewsbury, they were not facing Silva x 2, Jesus, Mahrez, etc.
To those saying it was a good performance and we shouldn't be getting on their backs, that is irrelevant to what this thread is about.
Even if we had a fully fit squad we would still setup in the same way we did.
This current Fulham squad and the one for the last 3 seasons is incapable of causing an "upset" or cup shock as the thread said.
This isn't a meltdown its simply saying that we cant setup in an effective way against far better opposition.
Definitely a worry and something we should be talking about if we truly want to be a sustainable premier league club.
Learn from Shrewsbury? Who are we kidding? 16th in League 1. One great performance. They may even beat Liverpool's reserves or U23s in the replay. And good luck to them.
And we were playing a proper Man City side who have averaged about 5 goals a game in recent cup matches against teams from lower divisions.
I thought we looked as good as we were going to look given the circumstances as well.
But playing out of the back and getting dispossessed 18 yards out EVERY SINGLE TIME is just poor management. I wonder why we wouldn't play a single long ball almost all game?
We all knew it would be lambs to slaughter, but to subject your team to looking like that? We're not THAT bad! Or are we?
No shame in losing 4 0 away to Man City with one man shy. Bigger teams than Fulham have gone there and come away shell shocked from a crushing defeat. We may have even made a few friends.
Quote from: The Rock on January 28, 2020, 06:01:09 PM
I thought we looked as good as we were going to look given the circumstances as well.
But playing out of the back and getting dispossessed 18 yards out EVERY SINGLE TIME is just poor management. I wonder why we wouldn't play a single long ball almost all game?
We all knew it would be lambs to slaughter, but to subject your team to looking like that? We're not THAT bad! Or are we?
Obviously, Fulham is pretty good at playing out from the back at training and that's Parker used it against Luton. Unfortunately, we weren't as good at it in matches under pressure so avoided it for a while, I am sure Parker is keen to try it again what better time than a ManCity cup game to see if we are better. If passing out from the back works against them, we can use it all the time.
