First of all he gets an away draw on a Sunday against Man C, what was he thinking.....He then decides that our two injured strikers are unfit to play....Then he decides in the seventh minute that we can only play with 10 men.... I'm afraid his decision making for this game proves that he's not cut out for a managerial job in football...... You can't argue with these facts, it was there for everyone to see
I think the problem was he tried to out-football Man City with his resources. A different approach was maybe required.
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
I think the problem was he tried to out-football Man City with his resources. A different approach was maybe required.
Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
I think the problem was he tried to out-football Man City with his resources. A different approach was maybe required.
Which approach? Counter attacking? Sit 10 behind the ball and hope for a zero v zero draw?
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For Parker to say this is the proudest he's been of the fulham team is a ridiculous comment.
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
I think the problem was he tried to out-football Man City with his resources. A different approach was maybe required.
So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Quote from: Rambler on January 26, 2020, 05:37:31 PM
For Parker to say this is the proudest he's been of the fulham team is a ridiculous comment.
It seems his interest in psychology which obviously important is more academic that grounded in experience based pragmatism. He constantly talks in buzzwords and keywords but with little context or depth. It's frustrating and people tend to lose faith and trust in a manager if he keeps painting a picture people don't relate too or lacks realism. Bonus is since 2017 man City have never scored less than 4 goals at home in the FA cup. Although based against burnley, Huddersfield, Rotherham etc.
Third in the table with a good chance for automatic promotion.
Personally I don't care how he responds to the press. His answers aren't ever going to please everyone and hes not obligated to occasionally change it up.
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So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Not to play out from the back, (already proved to be a liabilty), when in possession get the ball forward to Cav or Reid as quickly as possible. Passing the ball around in our own half was suicidle.
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Not to play out from the back, (already proved to be a liabilty), when in possession get the ball forward to Cav or Reid as quickly as possible. Passing the ball around in our own half was suicidle.
i personally, would have definitely started with a striker. We were toothless against Charlton, so to go into this game without a striker again was very disappointing.
Comparisons of Slav with Spurs in the FA cup?
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Not to play out from the back, (already proved to be a liabilty), when in possession get the ball forward to Cav or Reid as quickly as possible. Passing the ball around in our own half was suicidle.
This. Cav and BDR are both very quick and some route one stuff might have paid dividends. Oh well, onwards and upwards.
Quote from: Milo on January 26, 2020, 06:03:40 PM
Comparisons of Slav with Spurs in the FA cup?
I think that was Slav's weakness, he didn't know how to grind out results without being the superior team. You're never going to go to Liverpool or Manchester City and outplay them as a championship side.
Parker's tactics is an inferior copy of Jokanovic imo.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 26, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Not to play out from the back, (already proved to be a liabilty), when in possession get the ball forward to Cav or Reid as quickly as possible. Passing the ball around in our own half was suicidle.
i personally, would have definitely started with a striker. We were toothless against Charlton, so to go into this game without a striker again was very disappointing.
Certainly, if Mitro and Kamara are both out for any length of time, we need to get a striker pdq
If Parker doesn't think O'Reilly is ready, who is available.
Is that Russian guy still knocking around?
Parker out?? Really. Ffs its a learning curve. We was never going to win today anyway. We are sitting well in the league cut the guy some slack man!!
Quote from: andyk on January 26, 2020, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 26, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Not to play out from the back, (already proved to be a liabilty), when in possession get the ball forward to Cav or Reid as quickly as possible. Passing the ball around in our own half was suicidle.
i personally, would have definitely started with a striker. We were toothless against Charlton, so to go into this game without a striker again was very disappointing.
Certainly, if Mitro and Kamara are both out for any length of time, we need to get a striker pdq
If Parker doesn't think O'Reilly is ready, who is available.
Is that Russian guy still knocking around?
oreilly isn't a striker, but stansfield and Taylor crossdale are. In fact I think crossdale has a better youth record than dembele ever did.
"We was never going to win today anyway." Probably Parker's team talk.
I was fearing a complete humiliation so Ream saved our blushes by getting dismissed nice and early. Gave us the excuse we needed.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 26, 2020, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
I think the problem was he tried to out-football Man City with his resources. A different approach was maybe required.
Which approach? Counter attacking? Sit 10 behind the ball and hope for a zero v zero draw?
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When would a reply have been played if we had? Could've been merits to that if replays are after mitro, knockaert and kamara were back. Not otherwise.
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
The constant playing out from the back was tactical stupidity and cost us.
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 26, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
It does. Quite amusing.
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 26, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
No it hasn't but whilst we played a good team, they also rested aguero, sterling, de Bruyne, stones, laporte, ederson for a large chunk if not all of the match.
There also was an element of dejavu with the tactics, and desire to play one way and making similar mistakes to the past - playing out from the back.
Personally I'm 50/50 on parker.. do I think he's capable of getting us out of the league? 70/30% in favour. Do I think he's getting the most out of the squad 65/35% in favour. Do I think he is tactically versatile 60/40% in favour. Do the squad have the fitness levels 100%.
Do I think this squad is under performing 75/25% in favour of them underperforming.
For what it's worth it actually think considering we played with ten for 90 minutes I think the lads actually played really well for large chunks and I think with a full squad we could have actually done quite well albeit I do think there is an air of dillusion amongst some fans who want to put a rosey tint on where we're currently falling short and what that means should we get promoted again.
I think parker needs more time in the championship to adapt his managerial style even if we go up. He's a good manager at this level but has also been given some great tools to do it and I wonder if it covers Over things tactically which he's not had to think about.
Also, whilst our squad is getting a lot stronger and areas are being filled that were weak originally - Hector and kongolo look solid acquisitions but we need one or two out and out strikers to take burden off mitro, force competition and balance matches with and even give more options.
Re comment on H4 post. Over who's head, pathetic attempt at irony , not sure who would have believed otherwise.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 26, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 26, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
It does. Quite amusing.
Not my reply. Parker wasn't great today, tactically he was poor with insisting we constantly played out from the back. The irony of the original post was obvious.
Oh boy! Love the decision to play with 10 men
Quote from: DucatiFFC on January 26, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
So what 'different approach' would you have recommended?
Not to play out from the back, (already proved to be a liabilty), when in possession get the ball forward to Cav or Reid as quickly as possible. Passing the ball around in our own half was suicidle.
Totally agree.
Lol.
Dear oh dear.
And, I haven't even mentioned Parker's decision to play in Red...
Sacking our manager when we are 3rd in the league and 4 points off top would be really embarrassing. We would be more of a laughing stock than we were last season.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 26, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 26, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
It does. Quite amusing.
I know that it can sometimes be hard to pick up on sarcasm over the internet, but how on earth have some people fallen for this? Goes to show how many posters on here are determined to blame scotty, even when it is entirely out of his control! Plenty in desperate need of some therapy imo....
Quote from: St Eve on January 26, 2020, 08:25:38 PM
Oh boy! Love the decision to play with 10 men
That was the cunning plan, and it nearly paid off.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on January 26, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
And, I haven't even mentioned Parker's decision to play in Red...
I reckon playing in our blue kit would've been worse. I think scotty made the right call playing in red as playing in blue or white (soft colours) would have cemented our loss; perhaps we can play in red in our next game and see how we fare. I think we can blame scotty for our loss by virtue of the fact that he played Mitro against hull, knowing that there was always a possibility that he would get injured. I reckon had mitro played, we would have at least gotten a draw (but only if playing in red although this is debatable). Thoughts ?
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on January 26, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
The constant playing out from the back was tactical stupidity and cost us.
You should only ever do it if you have the players to do it. It annoys me that just because city/liverpool do it and it's therefore trendy,we need to do it. Even at our own expense. Nobody likes a stylish loser.
What other style could we have played today other than playing it out from the back? Long ball would never work. Don't have to wingers to spring a quick counter. The last few games we've been limited in terms of style, due to injuries. Once everyone is back, then we'll see what style we deploy.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on January 26, 2020, 11:41:38 PM
What other style could we have played today other than playing it out from the back? Long ball would never work. Don't have to wingers to spring a quick counter. The last few games we've been limited in terms of style, due to injuries. Once everyone is back, then we'll see what style we deploy.
Yep, agree and of course we won't be playing the likes of Man City until at least August 049:gif
Quote from: southwest6 on January 26, 2020, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on January 26, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 26, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
It does. Quite amusing.
I know that it can sometimes be hard to pick up on sarcasm over the internet, but how on earth have some people fallen for this? Goes to show how many posters on here are determined to blame scotty, even when it is entirely out of his control! Plenty in desperate need of some therapy imo....
The OP's sarcastic comment, whilst explicitly saying Parker is to blame for us losing today and should be sacked, is implying that he wasn't to blame for anything that happened today. I accept that some people have missed that duality of meaning and responded to the OP's statement as if he wasn't being sarcastic, but I think most have just responded to the implied statement with quite reasonable counter-arguments. No, Parker wasn't to blame for us losing today, but perhaps it was a mistake (a) to play our best XI and/or (b) to set them up for a particularly humiliating defeat by not adapting our tactics bettery (although admittedly that seems harsh considering our intended tactics probably went out the window when Ream went off). And obviously the context of this is we've performed below expectations in the league under Parker so far. So IMO someone criticising Parker on this thread doesn't mean they've missed the OP's sarcasm or "are determined to blame scotty, even when it is entirely out of his control".
Quote from: southwest6 on January 26, 2020, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on January 26, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
And, I haven't even mentioned Parker's decision to play in Red...
I reckon playing in our blue kit would've been worse. I think scotty made the right call playing in red as playing in blue or white (soft colours) would have cemented our loss; perhaps we can play in red in our next game and see how we fare. I think we can blame scotty for our loss by virtue of the fact that he played Mitro against hull, knowing that there was always a possibility that he would get injured. I reckon had mitro played, we would have at least gotten a draw (but only if playing in red although this is debatable). Thoughts ?
Yep, I totally agree with everything you say - apart from the colours bit and the Mitro bit....but everything else is totally on the money.....and talking of money.... I bet Scott even gets paid to make these terrible decisions.....you watch, and mark my words - as soon as Mitro is back to full fitness, you know what Scott will pick him - ludicrous
Sorry I don't do irony when people have paid out good money to travel to Manchester to watch their team. The whole club should give it their best shot win lose or draw. Our 11 or 10 against theirs. No to giving up before you have even kicked off
Quote from: Statto on January 26, 2020, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: southwest6 on January 26, 2020, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on January 26, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: west kowloon white on January 26, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Seems H4's post has gone over the head of many.
It does. Quite amusing.
I know that it can sometimes be hard to pick up on sarcasm over the internet, but how on earth have some people fallen for this? Goes to show how many posters on here are determined to blame scotty, even when it is entirely out of his control! Plenty in desperate need of some therapy imo....
The OP's sarcastic comment, whilst explicitly saying Parker is to blame for us losing today and should be sacked, is implying that he wasn't to blame for anything that happened today. I accept that some people have missed that duality of meaning and responded to the OP's statement as if he wasn't being sarcastic, but I think most have just responded to the implied statement with quite reasonable counter-arguments. No, Parker wasn't to blame for us losing today, but perhaps it was a mistake (a) to play our best XI and/or (b) to set them up for a particularly humiliating defeat by not adapting our tactics bettery (although admittedly that seems harsh considering our intended tactics probably went out the window when Ream went off). And obviously the context of this is we've performed below expectations in the league under Parker so far. So IMO someone criticising Parker on this thread doesn't mean they've missed the OP's sarcasm or "are determined to blame scotty, even when it is entirely out of his control".
I agree Parker wasn't to blame for losing today, ManCity have players worth the same as our entire squad and other players worth the same as our that wait the entire season to play a game like this. No way Parker should be excepted to compete with ManCity and keep a clean sheet because they are worth at least 8x what we are.
I would say the same thing about Lee Bowyer too when playing Fulham, because Fulham is worth roughly 8x what Charlton is. There is equally no way Bowyer should be able to keep a clean sheet against Fulham, and Parker should still be explaining his result against Charlton.
Parker is not to blame for the results against Southampton, WBA, Brentford, Leeds and ManCity as they are good teams, but we have lost 12 points from 9 games with the bottom six teams in the championship so far, last season we only lost 17 points after 12 games to the bottom six.
When we play ManCity we say they are too good and when we play Luton we say every team is tough. If both teams coaching was perfect, we can never beat ManCity and Charlton should never beat us too.
Well played OP 049:gif
Come the end of the season Parker will be judged on our Championship position, the City game will be forgotten. Right now Parker has a goal scoring problem and he desperately needs Mitro or Kamara fit and ready for an appearance on Saturday, he has a difficult task in raising team spirit after Sunday's thrashing but his main focus has to be on the treatment room.
He deserves our support, essential we all get behind the team again.
You have a fairly slow striker injured and replace him with an attacking midfielder (JO) with a bit more pace.
So what do you do? Surely you would instead tell BDR to buzz about and go for everything over the top etc.
I realise Bobby isn't the best finisher. Josh woiuld be better served battling in midfield. The tactic and execution never happened!! In fact i'm not sure that the tactic wasn't 'defend defend defend' from the start.
4th place and we haven't consistently played well. OP out before the manager all day everyday.
People need to start tapering these overblown expectations for a rookie manager in 4th place.
You want him out? Name a replacement or STFU.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on February 01, 2020, 05:52:41 AM
4th place and we haven't consistently played well. OP out before the manager all day everyday.
People need to start tapering these overblown expectations for a rookie manager in 4th place.
You want him out? Name a replacement or STFU.
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STFU ?
Quote from: Fulham1959 on February 01, 2020, 07:45:29 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on February 01, 2020, 05:52:41 AM
4th place and we haven't consistently played well. OP out before the manager all day everyday.
People need to start tapering these overblown expectations for a rookie manager in 4th place.
You want him out? Name a replacement or STFU.
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STFU ?
STFU......a little known Greek Manager from the Isle Crete I believe.
Don't be surprised if Scott decides today, that we play in Black & White.... remember I've got inside information
Did everybody watch Scott's Huddersfield preview?
Sounds absolutely thrilled with the new DoF appointment.
NOT.
Quote from: Fernhurst on February 01, 2020, 09:51:54 AM
Did everybody watch Scott's Huddersfield preview?
Sounds absolutely thrilled with the new DoF appointment.
NOT.
Yes - it was a kind of 'damning with faint praise' reaction from Scott.
I don't subscribe, could you elaborate a bit for me, thanks
Difficult to give a word by word account.
It was more in the way Scott spoke when asked about the appointment. Pretty downbeat and said something along the lines of "well the football club have decided to go down this route. We will have to see what he does with the teams he's in charge of"
Sounded very anti.
4 points off the top of the table.
Quote from: Fernhurst on February 01, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
Difficult to give a word by word account.
It was more in the way Scott spoke when asked about the appointment. Pretty downbeat and said something along the lines of "well the football club have decided to go down this route. We will have to see what he does with the teams he's in charge of"
Sounded very anti.
Thank you
LOL..I'm stupid.
I apologize for taking this thread seriously. I've had a crap week. I apologize OP. 075.gif
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on February 01, 2020, 06:18:57 PM
LOL..I'm stupid.
I apologize for taking this thread seriously. I've had a crap week. I apologize OP. 075.gif
No apology needed.... I was thinking of starting a Josh Onomah out thread tomorrow
