Poll
Question:
Who is better?
Option 1: Ream
votes: 50
Option 2: Mawson
votes: 56
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly not good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
In all honesty, I think Mawson is the worst signing FFC has ever made in terms of value for money. Just look at the utter shambles of the goals conceded at Luton away, Preston (x2) and Brentford, all of which he was directly responsible for.
But football is a game of opinions so lets see what the fans think, Ream or Mawson alongside Hector?
Kongolo should partner Hector.
From these 2 I would go with Mawson he has note Premier League potential next to the right partner
Quote from: MrFFC on January 30, 2020, 10:24:00 AM
Kongolo should partner Hector.
From these 2 I would go with Mawson he has note Premier League potential next to the right partner
You might be proven right in time but i don't see how you're qualifying that opinion from today's perspective. You can only have seen him play 90 mins in a 4-0 defeat or when we played Huddersfield.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
In all honesty, I think Mawson is the worst signing FFC has ever made in terms of value for money. Just look at the utter shambles of the goals conceded at Luton away, Preston (x2) and Brentford, all of which he was directly responsible for.
But football is a game of opinions so lets see what the fans think, Ream or Mawson alongside Hector?
Luton away...are you talking about the one where Ream instead of playing it long or out of play played it inside to a player (Bryan) who had a man coming up behind him and which then led to a goal?
The way we talk about our defensive problems you wouldn't believe we have only conceded 30 goals in 29 games with two top reinforcements this window. Frankly, I think our problem is Mitrovic could break the record for most goals in a championship season and we still might be 6th for goals scored (with Knockaert, Reid, Cairney and Cav) at the end of the season .
I have been very disappointed with both of them this season. The number of crosses they miss is high and the presence of Hector has shown up their weaknesses. Ream is good at bringing the ball out of defence but when being closed down and defending he is not so good. Mawson has also disappointed and his positioning and heading ability has also not been good. Looking forward to Hector and Kongolo playing together most of the time.
Quote from: MJG on January 30, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
In all honesty, I think Mawson is the worst signing FFC has ever made in terms of value for money. Just look at the utter shambles of the goals conceded at Luton away, Preston (x2) and Brentford, all of which he was directly responsible for.
But football is a game of opinions so lets see what the fans think, Ream or Mawson alongside Hector?
Luton away...are you talking about the one where Ream instead of playing it long or out of play played it inside to a player (Bryan) who had a man coming up behind him and which then led to a goal?
I said the one Mawson was directly responsible for so it is clear that i'm referring to the first not the other two. We know the other defenders have their faults this post is not about debating collectively how bad we can be at the back.
I was going to make this exact poll last night.
Said it on another thread, both have been disappointing this season but Mawson has a higher ceiling and therefore gets my vote.
Ream is probably more consistent at championship level but will never do a job in a prem side. Mawson has shown he can do well in the prem (albeit not with us) and I feel with the right partnership he is the answer.
Kongolo.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
Hold on... "Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level" and you are talking about 'frankly laughable posts'?? :005: :005: :005:
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Sorry.
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This might be the funniest post I've ever seen on this board (and that is up against some tough, Champions League level, opposition).
Im pretty sure mawson has been carrying his knee injury all season. He doesnt commit and is uncomfortable in playing out. Ream by far the better footballer but is not a great defender IMO.It depends what you want.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 30, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
Hold on... "Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level" and you are talking about 'frankly laughable posts'?? :005: :005: :005:
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Sorry.
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This might be the funniest post I've ever seen on this board (and that is up against some tough, Champions League level, opposition).
Happy to amuse. How do you come to find Mawson more convincing then?
They are both as bad as each other.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 30, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
Hold on... "Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level" and you are talking about 'frankly laughable posts'?? :005: :005: :005:
:005:
Sorry.
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This might be the funniest post I've ever seen on this board (and that is up against some tough, Champions League level, opposition).
Happy to amuse. How do you come to find Mawson more convincing then?
It's not so much that. It was the Ream being more than good enough for the premier league.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 30, 2020, 11:05:39 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 30, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
Hold on... "Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level" and you are talking about 'frankly laughable posts'?? :005: :005: :005:
:005:
Sorry.
:005:
This might be the funniest post I've ever seen on this board (and that is up against some tough, Champions League level, opposition).
Happy to amuse. How do you come to find Mawson more convincing then?
It's not so much that. It was the Ream being more than good enough for the premier league.
Oh goodness me i forgot to include the NOT! Excellent spot from you i will have to edit my post
Neither has impressed over all this season, I feel that Ream is in the decline compared to what he was and has become vulnerable, and although Mawson has not played as well as he is capable of, and that I consider is a lot to do with the issue of his knee. So he is just not firing on all cylinders. Nevertheless, alongside Hector he could be a far better player. So for me I would prefer Alfie Mawson.
As for Kongolo I have not seen enough of him, but the thread is not about Kongolo, it's about who out of Alfie and Tim would we prefer, and I would prefer Alfie Mawson.
Until the disaster at the start of the City game Ream was having a good season and once again drawing cheers from his fans at the Cottage.
I like Ream and his action on Sunday was so out of character that it was hard to believe it was him.
Mawson continues to disappoint, he arrived at the Cottage with a good reputation that he has never lived up to and has suffered from injury. it is still questionable if he is 100% fit.
I've been one of those most actively defending Mawson on here but I don't by any stretch of the imagination think he's been fantastic overall. My comparison of the two is as follows -
Potential - Mawson is 6 years younger, and has already (before joining us) played at a much higher standard than Ream ever will, and his performances for us have been hampered by injuries and a lack of confidence, I suspect. So Mawson has far more potential.
Defending - Mawson is stronger and more mobile. Ream, when on form, compensates for this to some degree by reading the game well, but he seems to have lost that form of late. Mawson is a significantly better defender IMO.
In possession - Ream is better than Mawson in possession. Don't think anyone can dispute that. But picking a CB who's poor at defending but good in possession, is a bit like picking a striker who doesn't score any goals but is useful defending set pieces IMO.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 11:08:00 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 30, 2020, 11:05:39 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on January 30, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
Hold on... "Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level" and you are talking about 'frankly laughable posts'?? :005: :005: :005:
:005:
Sorry.
:005:
This might be the funniest post I've ever seen on this board (and that is up against some tough, Champions League level, opposition).
Happy to amuse. How do you come to find Mawson more convincing then?
It's not so much that. It was the Ream being more than good enough for the premier league.
Oh goodness me i forgot to include the NOT! Excellent spot from you i will have to edit my post
Ah, in that case, my apologies! I thought you were digging at those who felt Ream was not good enough for the premier league.
As you were then. We sort of agree with each other (though I still feel Mawson is, marginally at the moment admittedly, the better bet).
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:39:53 AM
Quote from: MJG on January 30, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
In all honesty, I think Mawson is the worst signing FFC has ever made in terms of value for money. Just look at the utter shambles of the goals conceded at Luton away, Preston (x2) and Brentford, all of which he was directly responsible for.
But football is a game of opinions so lets see what the fans think, Ream or Mawson alongside Hector?
Luton away...are you talking about the one where Ream instead of playing it long or out of play played it inside to a player (Bryan) who had a man coming up behind him and which then led to a goal?
I said the one Mawson was directly responsible for so it is clear that i'm referring to the first not the other two. We know the other defenders have their faults this post is not about debating collectively how bad we can be at the back.
2nd goal was also Ream's man that scored, Ream flat footed and nowhere near him when the ball is headed down
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:39:53 AM
We know the other defenders have their faults this post is not about debating collectively how bad we can be at the back.
Forgive me if this comes across as baiting, but what is this post for in that case?
Quote from: simplyfulham on January 30, 2020, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:39:53 AM
We know the other defenders have their faults this post is not about debating collectively how bad we can be at the back.
Forgive me if this comes across as baiting, but what is this post for in that case?
It's about who is better out of Ream and Mawson?
Quote from: Statto on January 30, 2020, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:39:53 AM
Quote from: MJG on January 30, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on January 30, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
I have seen some frankly laughable posts on dropping Ream in favour of Mawson (in my opinion). Ream might be not quite as good as he was when we were promoted under Slav and is certainly good enough at PL level but for me he is twice the player Mawson is.
In all honesty, I think Mawson is the worst signing FFC has ever made in terms of value for money. Just look at the utter shambles of the goals conceded at Luton away, Preston (x2) and Brentford, all of which he was directly responsible for.
But football is a game of opinions so lets see what the fans think, Ream or Mawson alongside Hector?
Luton away...are you talking about the one where Ream instead of playing it long or out of play played it inside to a player (Bryan) who had a man coming up behind him and which then led to a goal?
I said the one Mawson was directly responsible for so it is clear that i'm referring to the first not the other two. We know the other defenders have their faults this post is not about debating collectively how bad we can be at the back.
2nd goal was also Ream's man that scored, Ream flat footed and nowhere near him when the ball is headed down
Clear handball not given for that goal
Quote from: colinwhite on January 30, 2020, 10:44:17 AM
Im pretty sure mawson has been carrying his knee injury all season. He doesnt commit and is uncomfortable in playing out. Ream by far the better footballer but is not a great defender IMO.It depends what you want.
6'4" of horribleness determined to win their personal battle please. Mawson a closer fit to that template. Hector made-to-measure. Ream a million miles away. Kongolo: TBD. KMaC: Don't rule it out. Odoi: not really but he's fun to watch.
We all love how Mitro wins personal duels, struggle to understand why the other end of the pitch might be viewed differently. Ream might be a better "footballer" than Mawson but only using criteria that would have Cairney ahead of both of them.
Such a subjective question of two players that play in different roles on different sides of the backline. An LCB role differs completely from an RCB's role. When was the last time did you see Ream press high on the sidelines in preventing a counter-attack? One is a left footed LCB, the other is a right footed RCB who prefers to play LCB, but has been playing RCB.
Ream...but neither is good enough to start next season.
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Quote from: Statto on January 30, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
I've been one of those most actively defending Mawson on here but I don't by any stretch of the imagination think he's been fantastic overall. My comparison of the two is as follows -
Potential - Mawson is 6 years younger, and has already (before joining us) played at a much higher standard than Ream ever will, and his performances for us have been hampered by injuries and a lack of confidence, I suspect. So Mawson has far more potential.
Defending - Mawson is stronger and more mobile. Ream, when on form, compensates for this to some degree by reading the game well, but he seems to have lost that form of late. Mawson is a significantly better defender IMO.
In possession - Ream is better than Mawson in possession. Don't think anyone can dispute that. But picking a CB who's poor at defending but good in possession, is a bit like picking a striker who doesn't score any goals but is useful defending set pieces IMO.
We're going to agree to disagree on Mawson being more mobile. Even before his injury and he was playing well with Swansea...he wasn't mobile.
He's even less mobile now.
Ream isn't imo isn't as knowledgeable a defender...but I think he's more agile and faster.
Neither imo can start at the next level without the team as a whole focused on defending.
Maybe if we had Ngolo Kante sitting in front of them.
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Quote from: Matt10 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
Such a subjective question of two players that play in different roles on different sides of the backline. An LCB role differs completely from an RCB's role. When was the last time did you see Ream press high on the sidelines in preventing a counter-attack? One is a left footed LCB, the other is a right footed RCB who prefers to play LCB, but has been playing RCB.
I'm not sure that it is correct to state that "An LCB differs completely from an RCB's role". Seems like quite the exaggeration to me as I think they are reasonably comparable.
Baffled Mawson has won this.
Slow and error prone. Can't pass to save his life.
Ream at least has good games and can spot a pass.
Quote from: Milo on January 30, 2020, 09:08:28 PM
Baffled Mawson has won this.
Slow and error prone. Can't pass to save his life.
Ream at least has good games and can spot a pass.
True, but slightly quicker and error prone describe's Ream as well. Even though I think the lack of pressing by most championship sides allows Ream to look better than he is.
He had a bad game recently, but if i absolutely had to partner a defender with Hector who wasn't Kongolo...against the likes of West Brom, Leeds, Forest or Brentford...it'd be Ream.
imo Mawson's main selling point right now is his leadership in the back...and I think Michael will prove to be a much better leader than him. I think Ream is better at being told what to do and actually implementing it than Mawson is.
Quote from: Milo on January 30, 2020, 09:08:28 PM
Baffled Mawson has won this.
Slow and error prone. Can't pass to save his life.
Ream at least has good games and can spot a pass.
+1
The Mawson-Ream partnership is one we need to avoid revisiting, as better partnerships include Hector-Ream, Hector-Mawson, Hector-Kongolo, Mawson-MLM, MLM-Ream, Odoi-Ream and many more that haven't been tried. I haven't seen Mawson be a bad defender except with Ream and maybe he isn't bad with other players.
Yes, he might work better with someone else apart from Ream.
He is a decent player, and may do a lot better if the defence generally seems to be playing with more confidence.
If Mawson is fit for Huddersfield, due to the availability of players he'll surely play and then he just needs to prove Rodak-Hector-Mawson equals clean-sheets.
A conversation I overheard after the game against City:
A to B) " It's a bit strange that our two most consistent defenders, Odoi and Ream, have been red carded this season, isn't it?"
B to A) " Not really. They're the only two of our defenders that actually get close enough to an opponent to commit a red card offence."
As to this thread my first thought was 'Oh so this is how to avoid making someone, anyone, a scapegoat without actually using the word'. I haven't voted because I just don't see how you can make a fair comparison without some factual evidence rather than opinion loosely based around preformed opinion/bias/prejudice. FFC haven't had a truly goal stopping defensive formation in years and that must be a factor when assessing players mustn't it?
Quote from: toshes mate on January 31, 2020, 09:18:40 AM
A conversation I overheard after the game against City:
A to B) " It's a bit strange that our two most consistent defenders, Odoi and Ream, have been red carded this season, isn't it?"
B to A) " Not really. They're the only two of our defenders that actually get close enough to an opponent to commit a red card offence."
As to this thread my first thought was 'Oh so this is how to avoid making someone, anyone, a scapegoat without actually using the word'. I haven't voted because I just don't see how you can make a fair comparison without some factual evidence rather than opinion loosely based around preformed opinion/bias/prejudice. FFC haven't had a truly goal stopping defensive formation in years and that must be a factor when assessing players mustn't it?
1) This thread is not about making anyone a scapegoat.
2) Factual "evidence" in football is in itself nigh on impossible as all facts are mitigated by subjective opinions about why they came about.
3) Well, this thread clearly relies on your preformed opinion of the players even if you had not made a direct comparison of the two prior to expressing an opinion. If it's not preformed, how could you have an opinion?
4) This is the whole point of a forum, to exchange views and opinions. Is there a point to it? No, apart from us enjoying doing it, and if we don't then, well, Tesco's is open 24 hours. We don't have to participate.
But apart from that, I agree with nearly everything.
Quote from: Whitesideup on January 31, 2020, 03:34:18 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 31, 2020, 09:18:40 AM
A conversation I overheard after the game against City:
A to B) " It's a bit strange that our two most consistent defenders, Odoi and Ream, have been red carded this season, isn't it?"
B to A) " Not really. They're the only two of our defenders that actually get close enough to an opponent to commit a red card offence."
As to this thread my first thought was 'Oh so this is how to avoid making someone, anyone, a scapegoat without actually using the word'. I haven't voted because I just don't see how you can make a fair comparison without some factual evidence rather than opinion loosely based around preformed opinion/bias/prejudice. FFC haven't had a truly goal stopping defensive formation in years and that must be a factor when assessing players mustn't it?
1) This thread is not about making anyone a scapegoat.
2) Factual "evidence" in football is in itself nigh on impossible as all facts are mitigated by subjective opinions about why they came about.
3) Well, this thread clearly relies on your preformed opinion of the players even if you had not made a direct comparison of the two prior to expressing an opinion. If it's not preformed, how could you have an opinion?
4) This is the whole point of a forum, to exchange views and opinions. Is there a point to it? No, apart from us enjoying doing it, and if we don't then, well, Tesco's is open 24 hours. We don't have to participate.
But apart from that, I agree with nearly everything.
PS - I also don't mind if we concede the odd goal .. as long as in that game we score more than the oppo.
Rumour on another Fulham site that Mawson is on his way. Where has this originated from or is it a wind up?
Quote from: Matt10 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
Such a subjective question of two players that play in different roles on different sides of the backline. An LCB role differs completely from an RCB's role. When was the last time did you see Ream press high on the sidelines in preventing a counter-attack? One is a left footed LCB, the other is a right footed RCB who prefers to play LCB, but has been playing RCB.
As someone who only ever played centre half, on either side as required..... WHAT?!?
The role is exactly the same, but some players simply have preference depending on their body shape off of the ball and natural ability with either foot.
