Would you drop Rodak for a couple of games and bring back Betts? I would
No, Rodak has been outstanding game after game, he deserves to play in the next game when he will probably be MOM.
No. He has been brilliant and made 3 mistakes yesterday. Not only would it destroy his confidence, it would be completely pointless as Betts hasnt performed at Rodak's level for a long while.
No . He was at fault for the first 2 goals and the 3rd went through his legs on the near post ,but no he will not be dropped
In theory you should, as if you don't it means squads are pointless and it doesn't matter what you do on the pitch as your place in the team is safe. The fear of being dropped is what helps avoid complacency and drops in performances. He won't be though
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on February 16, 2020, 12:24:48 PM
No. He has been brilliant and made 3 mistakes yesterday. Not only would it destroy his confidence, it would be completely pointless as Betts hasnt performed at Rodak's level for a long while.
Agree with this. Yes he had a mare yesterday but then none of the team played well did they? Hopefully he has got all his mistakes out of the way in one game. He has kept us in more games this season than I can count.
I disagree dropping him for at least a couple of games would do him good. He is relatively young and inexperienced and it sends out a message to others that poor performances will not be tolerated whatever position you play in. It gives Betts another opportunity as well.
To be fair I remember Edwin Van De War doing exactly the same thing as Marek for the 2nd goal and no one said drop him. I will put the 1st mistake down to the wind and slippery ball. Apart from the 3rd goal didn't have a thing to do, sounds bad but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt with a bad day at the office. Mind you that apply to the whole team.
Shouldn't drop him - he\s generally been very good and saved us quite a few points, to drop him after one game where he made bad mistakes will just undermine him.
Has he become a bad goalkeeper overnight ? No.
Goalkeepers have to make split-second decisions and they can't always be right or well-executed. Yesterday's conditions wouldn't have helped the process. I like Betts but Rodak has been outstanding in most games he's played.
That means our defence has been crap
No. He's shown more than enough that the lapses in his game, are rare moments of inexperience (in my opinion). He makes up for these with some top class saves. If he was to have another Barnsley scenario Friday then I probably would just to try and re-focus him.
Absolutely not. If that is the school of thought the whole team should be dropped for the next game after yesterday's calamitous performance. Rodak is a significant upgrade on Betts.
He's young and his character will be tested come Monday morning as Parker said. Definitely not a drop to me, but let's hope he isn't affected by the three blunders.
I'm sure he's fully aware of the results of his mistakes, and is mortified, and will be eager to rectify them.
To drop him won't accomplish anything apart from further damaging his confidence, which will damage the club, since sooner or later he will be called upon again.
He made mistakes, yes, but his overall skills are simply superior to those of Betts. Pulling a goal keeper is different than pulling a field player. The mentality. The effect. You don't do that unless you simply must..
Yesterday was about the conditions and his inexperience- he has been brilliant over the last few games. Dropping him now would look like we didn't have confidence in him - which might set him back. Plenty of the rest of the team could be dropped.
We certainly should not drop a player who has saved us in very many games this season.
(And yesterday I thought - and having seen the brief replay still do - that we should have been awarded a free kick instead of Barnsley being given a penalty.)
On another thread someone commented that Rodak lacked confidence from the start and I don't think that was helped by young Steven having a nightmare with his positioning and passing from the start. Yes most were poor but Steven's weakness did not help with distribution outlets.
I would not drop him, as I don't believe in dropping players based on one game, but there are double standards on this board when it comes to assessing Marek's and Marcus's performances.
Problem is a mistake by the GK often leads to a goal.
Anywhere else on the pitch and it's often swept up.
I mean Ream is constantly out of position but some how he still starts, how is beyond me
He shouldn't have been beaten at the near post for the third, but he was left cruelly exposed for the other two. Not anywhere near as much "a mare" as some would have, imo.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 16, 2020, 12:42:37 PM
Shouldn't drop him - he\s generally been very good and saved us quite a few points, to drop him after one game where he made bad mistakes will just undermine him.
+1
Apart from Rodak, For me Ream and Sessegnon were the weakest links yesterday.
Yes Rodak made at least 2 errors that led to goals. But I would not drop him after one bad game. How would that do for his confidence. A fat lot of good Thats gonna do. It's as though the manager was saying I am blaming you for the defeat so your out, not very bright is it.
So say we did that and Betts came in and dropped a clanger or two, suddenly we have gone from 0 to 2 keepers struggling.
It's about confidence when it comes to keepers especially, it would be different if over a few games he was looking dodgy, but he has some credit in the bank. Rodak will want to put that right ASAP.
He is currently the least of our worries.
Absolutely not. He has more than earned his place and should be able to two or three games like yesterday before losing his place.
Betts, seems a lovely lad and, as much as I appreciate all he has done, is not and will not, ever be good enough for Premiership football. Rodak may well be. He has several years on his side and, for me, is already a far safer pair of hands than Betts.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 16, 2020, 06:26:26 PM
Apart from Rodak, For me Ream and Sessegnon were the weakest links yesterday. Yes, Rodak made at least 2 errors that led to goals. But I would not drop him after one bad game. How would that do for his confidence. A fat lot of good Thats gonna do. It's as though the manager was saying I am blaming you for the defeat so your out, not very bright is it. So say we did that and Betts came in and dropped a clanger or two, suddenly we have gone from 0 to 2 keepers struggling. It's about confidence when it comes to keepers especially, it would be different if over a few games he was looking dodgy, but he has some credit in the bank. Rodak will want to put that right ASAP. He is currently the least of our worries.
We shouldn't drop Rodak, but instead we should place a five-year contract in front of him at a good Championship wage. Today, maybe our last chance to resign him at a Championship rather than Premier League wage. Once, he is 6-12 months off being Premier League starter quality his price will skyrocket and that day is approaching soon. Maybe after we play Derby, Swansea, Preston, Bristol, Brentford, Leeds and QPR, premier league clubs will be looking at him to become their next #1 over 18-24 months.
I am very critical of Parker's coaching of creative play because with the players that we have we should have created the most xG chances in the league (Knockaert, Cairney, Reid, Cav and Bryan) and combined with the Best Striker on fire should have scored more goals than WBA. But, as for the defense players, injuries and an inexperienced goalkeeper, I think having the 4th least amount of goals conceded is quite a good achievement. Fulham should be where WBA are now in terms of goals scored (12 goals short) and conceded (on target so far).
What worries me most is Fulham have gone more than 345 minutes since some other than Mitrovoic scored a goal and that makes us easy to defend against, plus it means full-backs and central midfielders can attack us more knowing only the CB's are marking the next goal scorer.
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
I wouldn't sit Rodak. He has had an excellent season and shouldn't be removed for one poor outing. In my opinion he should be one of the first names in the starting eleven.
Quote from: Andy S on February 17, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
Because Bettinelli simply isn't very good and has already made as many howlers this season himself.
Ludicrous post. He has been superb since he's been in the side, and 1 bad game shouldn't make you forget that.
Plus, he never actually cost us any points. We could've been there all week and not scored.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 17, 2020, 08:15:32 AM
Ludicrous post. He has been superb since he's been in the side, and 1 bad game shouldn't make you forget that.
Plus, he never actually cost us any points. We could've been there all week and not scored.
+1.
Quote from: Andy S on February 17, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
Resting him ???? Why, what for, he has a rest every night when he goes to bed. What is there to gain by leaving him out. By his standards he has one poor game, and you want him replaced, can you imagine how he would feel, no matter what reasons SP would give him for leaving him out, he will think he is being blamed for the result. That will knock his confidence in himself, and confidence is massive in sport. It is not as if he deserves to be dropped either. I expect that is the last concern on the Managers mind.
The Rational Fan has hit the nail on the head, our problem is no longer defence and is certainly not our goalkeeper but our attack.
No goals scored at home to the bottom of the table team must highlight the problem but it has been there for all to see for a while.
Mitrovic is scoring but Knock., Cavy, Reid, Onomah and Cairney look incapable.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 17, 2020, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Andy S on February 17, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
Resting him ???? Why, what for, he has a rest every night when he goes to bed. What is there to gain by leaving him out. By his standards he has one poor game, and you want him replaced, can you imagine how he would feel, no matter what reasons SP would give him for leaving him out, he will think he is being blamed for the result. That will knock his confidence in himself, and confidence is massive in sport. It is not as if he deserves to be dropped either. I expect that is the last concern on the Managers mind.
While no observers are talking about Rodak as a Champions League goalkeeper, his statistics are good enough for Champions Leagues to start watching him. Firstly, apart from the first Middlesbough game and Barnsley game, whoscored have him as the best goalkeeper in the league this season to play more than three games. Secondly, Rodak has an enormous xG goal difference of eight goals in twenty games (including the -1 xG for the Barnsley game) so when Rodak is in goal strikers get the shots in good positions, but don't score the goals that is partly due to many good saves but also due to strikers missing the target much more than expected. Rodak, Hector and Mitro should be the first three names on the team sheet.
I think there would've been a reasonable tactical logic to leave him out against Barnsley due to the fact that he and Cauley would've known each other so well and played together for years in our academy when they won the league etc and did well. Cauley was also older and more accomplished and had played for us in the premiership. I think playing against a striker as a GK that you respect and admire or appreciate as a friend makes you lose some of the advantage you may have, especially if you're both still emotionally new to the situation (Cauley playing against old club, Marek new first choice)...
I'd have played Betts for that game. I think Marek was caught out by being too emotional for the game and made rash mistakes he wouldn't normally as a result. Two of those goals, the penalty, and the other goal (not Cauley's 2nd) were both unnecessary goals to concede. Marek rushed out of position to take on a player who was out wide of the box and had a Fulham player near him. It was completely unnecessary for him to come that far out. I also think he sometimes simply lacks the maturity in his decision making to know when to kick it out/long etc.. but that's neglible for this part of the critique.
Betts is a good keeper though, if he's been working on the areas he's weaker on then I'd consider a switch, but to do that I'd need to see them training.. Rodak has been very good for us, and as a player for our future (provided we get him signed up to a longer contract) is worth keeping as he's got more agility and potential.. but he's in a growth stage, so managing him is essential.
Quote from: General on February 17, 2020, 12:23:31 PM
I think there would've been a reasonable tactical logic to leave him out against Barnsley due to the fact that he and Cauley would've known each other so well and played together for years in our academy when they won the league etc and did well. Cauley was also older and more accomplished and had played for us in the premiership. I think playing against a striker as a GK that you respect and admire or appreciate as a friend makes you lose some of the advantage you may have, especially if you're both still emotionally new to the situation (Cauley playing against old club, Marek new first choice)...
I'd have played Betts for that game. I think Marek was caught out by being too emotional for the game and made rash mistakes he wouldn't normally as a result. Two of those goals, the penalty, and the other goal (not Cauley's 2nd) were both unnecessary goals to concede. Marek rushed out of position to take on a player who was out wide of the box and had a Fulham player near him. It was completely unnecessary for him to come that far out. I also think he sometimes simply lacks the maturity in his decision making to know when to kick it out/long etc.. but that's neglible for this part of the critique.
Betts is a good keeper though, if he's been working on the areas he's weaker on then I'd consider a switch, but to do that I'd need to see them training.. Rodak has been very good for us, and as a player for our future (provided we get him signed up to a longer contract) is worth keeping as he's got more agility and potential.. but he's in a growth stage, so managing him is essential.
Great Point, Cauley Woodrow completely read Marek Rodak better than any other striker in the league, now I know why.
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
Quote from: ron on February 16, 2020, 06:22:15 PM
He shouldn't have been beaten at the near post for the third, but he was left cruelly exposed for the other two. Not anywhere near as much "a mare" as some would have, imo.
Not sure how many goals you need to be at fault for before you describe it as a 'mare' in your book then! He wasn't left exposed - he dropped the ball for the first goal and then went AWOL for the second. He shouldn't be dropped but he needs to stand up and come back stronger.
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
And that happened. Several times before he was eventually dropped.
Being statistically the best keeper in the league, means he has earned a bit of backing at he first sign of an error.
Keeping more clean sheets in half a season than Betts has evet kept in a full season, means he has earned a bit of backing at the first sign of an error.
Changing your keeper at the first hint of an error, means that both keepers will always play badly as no one is ever settled or can play with confidence. This is why having two keepers of similar level has never worked at any club.
Can't believe there are people genuinely calling for Rodak to be dropped when he has been the player of the year so far.
Honestly, this forum is a joke sometimes. We get the team we deserve. And I suppose that is why we have Parker (and people defending him but calling for Rodak to be dropped!).
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
And that happened. Several times before he was eventually dropped.
Being statistically the best keeper in the league, means he has earned a bit of backing at he first sign of an error.
Keeping more clean sheets in half a season than Betts has evet kept in a full season, means he has earned a bit of backing at the first sign of an error.
Changing your keeper at the first hint of an error, means that both keepers will always play badly as no one is ever settled or can play with confidence. This is why having two keepers of similar level has never worked at any club.
Can't believe there are people genuinely calling for Rodak to be dropped when he has been the player of the year so far.
Honestly, this forum is a joke sometimes. We get the team we deserve. And I suppose that is why we have Parker (and people defending him but calling for Rodak to be dropped!).
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Sometimes I despair at peoples' knee jerk reactions.
Rodak has proven to be much more reliable than Betts this season, and dropping him after one bad game is ludicrous.
Not even worthy of debate imo.
If he has a few games in which he proves to be unreliable, then fair enough, but calling for it after one poor game is a joke imo.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 17, 2020, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 17, 2020, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: Andy S on February 17, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
Resting him ???? Why, what for, he has a rest every night when he goes to bed. What is there to gain by leaving him out. By his standards he has one poor game, and you want him replaced, can you imagine how he would feel, no matter what reasons SP would give him for leaving him out, he will think he is being blamed for the result. That will knock his confidence in himself, and confidence is massive in sport. It is not as if he deserves to be dropped either. I expect that is the last concern on the Managers mind.
While no observers are talking about Rodak as a Champions League goalkeeper, his statistics are good enough for Champions Leagues to start watching him. Firstly, apart from the first Middlesbough game and Barnsley game, whoscored have him as the best goalkeeper in the league this season to play more than three games. Secondly, Rodak has an enormous xG goal difference of eight goals in twenty games (including the -1 xG for the Barnsley game) so when Rodak is in goal strikers get the shots in good positions, but don't score the goals that is partly due to many good saves but also due to strikers missing the target much more than expected. Rodak, Hector and Mitro should be the first three names on the team sheet.
Exactly, and those three are key players that are part of the spine of the team.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
And that happened. Several times before he was eventually dropped.
Being statistically the best keeper in the league, means he has earned a bit of backing at he first sign of an error.
Keeping more clean sheets in half a season than Betts has evet kept in a full season, means he has earned a bit of backing at the first sign of an error.
Changing your keeper at the first hint of an error, means that both keepers will always play badly as no one is ever settled or can play with confidence. This is why having two keepers of similar level has never worked at any club.
Can't believe there are people genuinely calling for Rodak to be dropped when he has been the player of the year so far.
Honestly, this forum is a joke sometimes. We get the team we deserve. And I suppose that is why we have Parker (and people defending him but calling for Rodak to be dropped!).
Well, if you want nonsense, here is some. ByTheRiver, one of the most negative of all posters, can't believe people some people think that maybe Rodak should be dropped. It's not a position I agree with, but I don't think it is an opinion that should be rubbished. And the last comment .. frankly just does not make sense as it's written. Because "this forum is a joke" (discuss) we get the team we deserve. Really ?????
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Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
And that happened. Several times before he was eventually dropped.
Being statistically the best keeper in the league, means he has earned a bit of backing at he first sign of an error.
Keeping more clean sheets in half a season than Betts has evet kept in a full season, means he has earned a bit of backing at the first sign of an error.
Changing your keeper at the first hint of an error, means that both keepers will always play badly as no one is ever settled or can play with confidence. This is why having two keepers of similar level has never worked at any club.
Can't believe there are people genuinely calling for Rodak to be dropped when he has been the player of the year so far.
Honestly, this forum is a joke sometimes. We get the team we deserve. And I suppose that is why we have Parker (and people defending him but calling for Rodak to be dropped!).
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+1
Don't think it's fair to criticise the whole forum though - it's a 3-page thread and only one or two contributors seem to agree with the OP's suggestion of dropping him
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Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
And that happened. Several times before he was eventually dropped.
Being statistically the best keeper in the league, means he has earned a bit of backing at he first sign of an error.
Keeping more clean sheets in half a season than Betts has evet kept in a full season, means he has earned a bit of backing at the first sign of an error.
Changing your keeper at the first hint of an error, means that both keepers will always play badly as no one is ever settled or can play with confidence. This is why having two keepers of similar level has never worked at any club.
Can't believe there are people genuinely calling for Rodak to be dropped when he has been the player of the year so far.
Honestly, this forum is a joke sometimes. We get the team we deserve. And I suppose that is why we have Parker (and people defending him but calling for Rodak to be dropped!).
Well, if you want nonsense, here is some. ByTheRiver, one of the most negative of all posters, can't believe people some people think that maybe Rodak should be dropped. It's not a position I agree with, but I don't think it is an opinion that should be rubbished. And the last comment .. frankly just does not make sense as it's written. Because "this forum is a joke" (discuss) we get the team we deserve. Really ?????
"one of the most negative of all posters"? Hah. I wouldn't say I'm negative at all. A quick look at my posts from over the years will show that.
I have been negative about three things in recent months:
Ream. I do not think he is good enough for a team challenging at the top end of the championship. I stand by this. However, given what has now happened to the defender we brought in to take over, we have what we have and (though I'd personally play Odoi) he'll have my support until the end of the season when, for both parties, parting ways would be welcomed.
Parker. I find it absolutely baffling that some are still behind him. I'll leave all of the previous arguments aside (as they have been done to death on several threads) and just say: if he were a player, making either grave errors or woeful underperformance (say, 4/10 player rating) almost every week, would you want him in the team? Let's use the witch hunt on Rodak as an example: if Rodak was to keep his place and perform the same next week, the calls for Betts would increase? And then the next week again? What about the week after? How about 30 odd games later, still making the same mistakes, and he is still in the team whilst people are on the board either going mad (most likely) or just bemused that he continues to play and not be dropped. That's us with Parker.
Which leads me on to...
Rodak. No he should not be dropped. He had one dodgy game. He has been absolutely immense, the best in the league stats wise and, on current form, probably too good for Fulham. How about we support him until such time that his errors are multiple and not learned from (see Parker, for example)?
That's what I find 'a joke'. The ability to turn on our likely player of the season, whilst overlooking/turning a blind eye/jumping on those who criticise the real problem. And yes, I stand by that too. It is a joke.
When Rodak is off playing Champions League level football (hopefully a few years yet), I will dig out this thread and say 'see?'.
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
a wind up surely :/
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Quote from: MJG on February 17, 2020, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on February 17, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Have to say that if that had been Betts in goal there would be loads on here calling for his head, he had a bad game so should be dropped, it is about winning the shirt, on that performance he deserves to be dropped and Betts given a chance.
And that happened. Several times before he was eventually dropped.
Being statistically the best keeper in the league, means he has earned a bit of backing at he first sign of an error.
Keeping more clean sheets in half a season than Betts has evet kept in a full season, means he has earned a bit of backing at the first sign of an error.
Changing your keeper at the first hint of an error, means that both keepers will always play badly as no one is ever settled or can play with confidence. This is why having two keepers of similar level has never worked at any club.
Can't believe there are people genuinely calling for Rodak to be dropped when he has been the player of the year so far.
Honestly, this forum is a joke sometimes. We get the team we deserve. And I suppose that is why we have Parker (and people defending him but calling for Rodak to be dropped!).
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Don't think it's fair to criticise the whole forum though - it's a 3-page thread and only one or two contributors seem to agree with the OP's suggestion of dropping him
Fair. It was written in slight disbelief and a bit of anger on Rodak's part. The forum is, on the whole, great. Hence me being here (even if not prolifically posting) a good few years. Stuff like this is just galling.
The spine of Rodak , Hector andMitro is something that most teams could only dream of - the rest should be what is up for discussion as well as the leadership and tactics . Surely move on - nothing to see here
Quote from: HV71 on February 17, 2020, 09:12:04 PM
The spine of Rodak , Hector andMitro is something that most teams could only dream of - the rest should be what is up for discussion as well as the leadership and tactics . Surely move on - nothing to see here
Exactly :clap_hands:
Rodak made horrendous errors and I hope he will learn from them. He shouldn't be dropped though.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
Quote from: Andy S on February 17, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
Because Bettinelli simply isn't very good and has already made as many howlers this season himself.
One can make a reasoned case for preferring Rodak to Bettinelli (and I would not drop Rodak despite all the mistakes on Saturday), but there is no need to concoct nonsense about Bettinelli in an attempt to justify that opinion.
Having read all the big guns on this furom he stays as goalie,
Have we all forgot the Huddersfield game. We were winning three nil then we conceded two goals ,not his fault.
In the second half he made three outstanding saves to earn us three points.
Ok on Saturday he was at fault for two of the goals and cost us three points.
Some you win and some you lose.
Rodak will not be dropped.
He has been top class but had a stinker, he is entitled to a poor game.... no matter quite how poor.
I suspect he will return determined to make ammends and be twice as good as before... i suspect we all think that, more or less.
If he has another stinker and i do not think he wiill in the next game, the it would be right to bring back betts.
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Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 17, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
Quote from: Andy S on February 17, 2020, 01:04:29 AM
Ok let's not call it dropping him but resting him as well as offering him a new contract. Is it fair on Betts not to give him a chance after those howlers on Saturday? That is probably 6 points he has cost us this season after being sent off earlier this season. Ok he has kept us in a few games as well but his performance on Saturday was inexcusable I don't know why there is so much support for the guy
Because Bettinelli simply isn't very good and has already made as many howlers this season himself.
One can make a reasoned case for preferring Rodak to Bettinelli (and I would not drop Rodak despite all the mistakes on Saturday), but there is no need to concoct nonsense about Bettinelli in an attempt to justify that opinion.
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I like Marcus, but Marek more than justifies his position as the current number one.
Then we are all agreed then Rodak will be our custodian of the Fulham net, on Friday v Derby County and he along side our team will hopefully keep a clean sheet.
no chance.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 16, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
In theory you should, as if you don't it means squads are pointless and it doesn't matter what you do on the pitch as your place in the team is safe. The fear of being dropped is what helps avoid complacency and drops in performances. He won't be though
He has had 1 bad game in how many, Betts had quite a few dodgy games.
Quote from: The Swan on February 18, 2020, 09:05:22 PM
Have we all forgot the Huddersfield game. We were winning three nil then we conceded two goals ,not his fault.
In the second half he made three outstanding saves to earn us three points.
Ok on Saturday he was at fault for two of the goals and cost us three points.
Some you win and some you lose.
Just out of interest, which two?
Quote from: Whitesideup on February 19, 2020, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: The Swan on February 18, 2020, 09:05:22 PM
Have we all forgot the Huddersfield game. We were winning three nil then we conceded two goals ,not his fault.
In the second half he made three outstanding saves to earn us three points.
Ok on Saturday he was at fault for two of the goals and cost us three points.
Some you win and some you lose.
Just out of interest, which two?
I think you could fairly attribute all 3 to him, the fumble for the pen, the mad rush out of the area and the near post nutmeg in that order.
Anyhow, I was lauding him earlier this season when Bett's got dropped and it's only one game. I think he's a smart enough lad to learn from the error.
rather we rest/drop parker.
Nonsense to suggest dropping Rodak, he has been excellent since replacing Betts. That said I disliked B T River's dismissal of Betts who has been a loyal and capable keeper for us for several seasons and who, on more than one occasion, has been patient enough to fight his way back into the squad after having been dropped/ injured.
My only other comment on Rodak's "bad day at the office" would be that, especially in the first half, his distribution was also uncharacteristically poor (including three near suicidal short passes to defenders who were marked). Even before the first goal we were wondering if he was ok. He looked far more jittery than I have ever seen before.
Hopefully he will be back to his best for Friday.
Quote from: Twig on February 19, 2020, 03:53:21 PM
Nonsense to suggest dropping Rodak, he has been excellent since replacing Betts. That said I disliked B T River's dismissal of Betts who has been a loyal and capable keeper for us for several seasons and who, on more than one occasion, has been patient enough to fight his way back into the squad after having been dropped/ injured.
It was deliberately over the top, to put it on par with the thread and the calls for Rodak to be dropped after one dodgy game. A nonsensical point of view which deserved only a nonsensical reply.
Though what isn't nonsense is that Rodak has shown himself to be far the better keeper.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 19, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 19, 2020, 03:53:21 PM
Nonsense to suggest dropping Rodak, he has been excellent since replacing Betts. That said I disliked B T River's dismissal of Betts who has been a loyal and capable keeper for us for several seasons and who, on more than one occasion, has been patient enough to fight his way back into the squad after having been dropped/ injured.
It was deliberately over the top, to put it on par with the thread and the calls for Rodak to be dropped after one dodgy game. A nonsensical point of view which deserved only a nonsensical reply.
Though what isn't nonsense is that Rodak has shown himself to be far the better keeper.
He was certainly showing himself to be an upgrade but Barnsley was a bit of a reality check. I genuinely wondered if he was unwell or something, he just didn't seem to be at the races.
No way should he be dropped!!!!!!! Ok a bad game, in fact a terrible game for him and for us, but there is a certain person in the club who is to blame for a lot of bad matches and bad results and yes a lot of us are calling for him to be dropped=sacked, but he is still with us (just I hope). Best to deal with the source of the problem if the Management can determine what it is but in any event tell some of our primadonnas that thay can´t expect a fat cheque each week/month for much longer if they under perform!
Quote from: davew on February 19, 2020, 10:19:25 PM
No way should he be dropped!!!!!!! Ok a bad game, in fact a terrible game for him and for us, but there is a certain person in the club who is to blame for a lot of bad matches and bad results and yes a lot of us are calling for him to be dropped=sacked, but he is still with us (just I hope). Best to deal with the source of the problem if the Management can determine what it is but in any event tell some of our primadonnas that thay can´t expect a fat cheque each week/month for much longer if they under perform!
The only thing TK/SP need to do with Rodak this week while his confidence is low is to sign him on "5 year contract on championship wages", trust me you'll be paying him a lot lot more than championship wages after he gets a few MOTM awards against promotion candidates.
Quote from: Twig on February 19, 2020, 05:32:38 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 19, 2020, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 19, 2020, 03:53:21 PM
Nonsense to suggest dropping Rodak, he has been excellent since replacing Betts. That said I disliked B T River's dismissal of Betts who has been a loyal and capable keeper for us for several seasons and who, on more than one occasion, has been patient enough to fight his way back into the squad after having been dropped/ injured.
It was deliberately over the top, to put it on par with the thread and the calls for Rodak to be dropped after one dodgy game. A nonsensical point of view which deserved only a nonsensical reply.
Though what isn't nonsense is that Rodak has shown himself to be far the better keeper.
He was certainly showing himself to be an upgrade but Barnsley was a bit of a reality check. I genuinely wondered if he was unwell or something, he just didn't seem to be at the races.
He is only Human
In a word, No
Hopefully now you see why I was being 'overly dramatic' and had such strong feelings about this.
Those who wanted to drop a brilliant young lad, playing out of his skin, gaining us countless points, at the first dip, showing zero loyalty, should hang their heads in shame.
We lose by 3 or 4 tonight with Betts in goal.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 21, 2020, 09:40:42 PM
Hopefully now you see why I was being 'overly dramatic' and had such strong feelings about this.
Those who wanted to drop a brilliant young lad, playing out of his skin, gaining us countless points, at the first dip, showing zero loyalty, should hang their heads in shame.
We lose by 3 or 4 tonight with Betts in goal.
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Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 21, 2020, 09:40:42 PM
Hopefully now you see why I was being 'overly dramatic' and had such strong feelings about this.
Those who wanted to drop a brilliant young lad, playing out of his skin, gaining us countless points, at the first dip, showing zero loyalty, should hang their heads in shame.
We lose by 3 or 4 tonight with Betts in goal.
Sorry, that's a silly statement. There is no way of knowing what would have happened with another keeper. Making these statements makes your opinion less worthy of taking seriously. Rodak played well tonight, and rightly deserves measured praise, just as he deserved measured criticism last week. I think his saves tonight were smart reactions, although "brilliant" is an exaggeration. I am happy to see him playing, and I would not have dropped him even after a very poor performance last week (I can't remember ever seeing a keeper make three such bad errors in one game). However, you seem intent on a character assassination of Bettinelli. Is it not enough to say that you think (as I suspect the majority do) that Rodak is the better keeper, without writing nonsense about Bettinelli?
Quote from: Plodder on February 21, 2020, 11:47:37 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 21, 2020, 09:40:42 PM
Hopefully now you see why I was being 'overly dramatic' and had such strong feelings about this.
Those who wanted to drop a brilliant young lad, playing out of his skin, gaining us countless points, at the first dip, showing zero loyalty, should hang their heads in shame.
We lose by 3 or 4 tonight with Betts in goal.
Sorry, that's a silly statement. There is no way of knowing what would have happened with another keeper. Making these statements makes your opinion less worthy of taking seriously. Rodak played well tonight, and rightly deserves measured praise, just as he deserved measured criticism last week. I think his saves tonight were smart reactions, although "brilliant" is an exaggeration. I am happy to see him playing, and I would not have dropped him even after a very poor performance last week (I can't remember ever seeing a keeper make three such bad errors in one game). However, you seem intent on a character assassination of Bettinelli. Is it not enough to say that you think (as I suspect the majority do) that Rodak is the better keeper, without writing nonsense about Bettinelli?
Brilliant isn't am exaggeration and it was referencing the whole season not just tonight. He is too good for the championship as his stats show.
And it's quite easy to know that a certain other keeper would not have made those saves as he has conceded many similar these season, last, any season you care to look at. It's not character assassination, I like him. But he isn't good enough to fit the ambitions of the club. Sadly he has many fans here who were willing to through the best keeper we've had in years under the bus, just to get him reinstated. That needed putting straight in, unfortunately, rather harsh terms.
Where are those 'many fans'? I do know that there was a suggestion or two, and I am sure that there were some actually wanting to drop him, but the absolute overwhelming number of posters on here disagreed completely.
Also, for what reason was there a need to put that straight, and in rather harsh terms as well? What's the negative consequence of not putting it straight, or using less harsh terms?
Thank god we stuck with our man
Quote from: Andy S on February 16, 2020, 12:19:25 PM
Would you drop Rodak for a couple of games and bring back Betts? I would
Still think we should drop Rodak?
Rodak has virtually kept us in the race single handed - I'll be surprised if we can keep him. I guess it says something about our team when the goalkeeper is often in the race for the Man of the Match award.
