Anyone?
I'll back him, but back him to be sacked
Yes, don't want to change now.
Inspired substitutions tonight. 086.gif
2 points from Millwall , Barnsley and Derby is totally unacceptable before you get to the turgid dull football
:dead horse:
2 points from 9 this week.
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Haha.
Sorry, yeah, you're right. We should be taking two points from nine, getting beat 0-3 at home to the bottom side with the most expensive side in the league ever. Scott's doing a really great job and we are wrong to doubt him. We should be playing Millwall, Barnsley and Derby without winning any.
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Maybe if Parker would start winning, the calls wouldn't come.....
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Can I ask the positives you have with Parker as manager as I don't see any and never really have?
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Why?
We should be getting automatic promotion with this team, and our manager is the reason behind our failings so far, no doubt about that. His tactics are woeful and have cost us points. The only reason we are not worse of position-wise is down to Mitro and Rodak.
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
i bet you are, because we have failed to win in over two thirds of our games this season. Plus people want him sacked in some of the games we do win. Now the question is are you getting sick because he is clearly a poor manager and should have been sacked months ago , or because you rate him against all the evidence that he is even a mediocre manager and still rate him anyway
Calm down everyone, Colin will be along shortly to reassure us all that were going to get automatic promotion 😃
9 managers in 10 years
2 relegations
1 promotion
And when we were first promoted under SJ and results were not going well many on here wanted him replaced which did not end in success
Sometimes I feel that every one thinks changing a manager brings immediate success and that is not always the case
I'd like him gone as never wanted him in the first place. The football is turgid but the odd bit of quality digs us out.
He was given a season by the owners to get promotion....give him the season....he couldn't help the penalty decision....the ref was dying to give it
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
9 managers in 10 years
2 relegations
1 promotion
And when we were first promoted under SJ and results were not going well many on here wanted him replaced which did not end in success
Sometimes I feel that every one thinks changing a manager brings immediate success and that is not always the case
no one, and I mean no one as far as I have seen has asked for instant success. What we don't want is what Parker offers and that's consistent crap
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on February 21, 2020, 09:45:34 PM
2 points from Millwall , Barnsley and Derby is totally unacceptable...
A point at Millwall and at Derby is not totally unacceptable. It's the result in between that has turned what would have been a decent few weeks, points wise, into a disappointing run.
The time to discuss manager is at the end of the season. Get off his back & support & encourage him & the team NOW.
Watched game from Derby end.
Subs more attacking (which is all I wanted to see) and don't have any real complaints. Game played out as it would if Joka had been in charge.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
He was given a season by the owners to get promotion....give him the season....he couldn't help the penalty decision....the ref was dying to give it
Forget the penalty. We should have lost that game by 3 or 4! Rodak made saves championship keepers don't make and kept us in it. Mitro scored from nothing and got us out of jail. A familiar situation. And you blame the penalty?!
Quote from: grandad on February 21, 2020, 10:20:48 PM
The time to discuss manager is at the end of the season. Get off his back & support & encourage him & the team NOW.
exactly that, I will never forgive al fayed for sacking Sanchez mid season and brining in Roy. It's widely regarded that Sanchez wouldn't have bottled the europa final like Roy did
Quote from: grandad on February 21, 2020, 10:20:48 PM
The time to discuss manager is at the end of the season. Get off his back & support & encourage him & the team NOW.
Yes sir, as you wish sir.
You say no one is asking for instant success but people are saying the only way to stay in the play offs or even automatic promotion is to sack the manager now Which seems to suggest that they wil be an instant success
Having worked in pro football for a few years although it sometimes brings some euphoria and immediate success , and this is usually when the manager looses the changing room
Which Parker does not seem to have done and he seems to have the support of the players.
It can also bring uncertainty right through the playing and coaching staff
I just feel that unless the club
have a new manager in mind to replace Parker immediately then this would leave us with possibly weeks of uncertainty at a time when we need consistency
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 10:34:15 PM
You say no one is asking for instant success but people are saying the only way to stay in the play offs or even automatic promotion is to sack the manager now Which seems to suggest that they wil be an instant success
Having worked in pro football for a few years although it sometimes brings some euphoria and immediate success , and this is usually when the manager looses the changing room
Which Parker does not seem to have done and he seems to have the support of the players.
It can also bring uncertainty right through the playing and coaching staff
I just feel that unless the club
have a new manager in mind to replace Parker immediately then this would leave us with possibly weeks of uncertainty at a time when we need consistency
if Parker has the support of the players, why have we been so dreadful for the last few months?
Quote from: KJS on February 21, 2020, 10:34:59 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 09:42:57 PM
Anyone?
OK mug who should replace him to get us auto promotion 🤔
come on you mug, we've left it too late for autos. Even those with an iq less than 100 could tell you that
We have Parker until the end of the season.
I thought top 6 at the beginning, we could still finish top 6.
Yes not happy with the style of football presently but there are flashes of a decent team sometimes.
It's the play off lottery for us I believe, and we have a 1 in 4 chance.
I do think we will make the play offs!
Quote from: ByTheRiver on February 21, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
He was given a season by the owners to get promotion....give him the season....he couldn't help the penalty decision....the ref was dying to give it
Forget the penalty. We should have lost that game by 3 or 4! Rodak made saves championship keepers don't make and kept us in it. Mitro scored from nothing and got us out of jail. A familiar situation. And you blame the penalty?!
I could be wrong, but that's how you win a game...by scoring goals....they were gifted a penalty.... don't remember them scoring before or after that
Quote from: KJS on February 21, 2020, 10:34:59 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 09:42:57 PM
Anyone?
OK mug who should replace him to get us auto promotion 🤔
Straight on with an insult as per usual. Nice one.
A lot of people are looking at Parker through rose tinted spectacles because it's his first season as a manager. It will be a disaster for us financially if we don't go up and we will almost certainly loose our only attackive threat in Mitrovic. We rely on him far too heavily and we have no alternative. We are vastly underperforming in terms of effort, performance and results. Tony Khan needs to be brave and get a replacement lined up ASAP as we will not go back up with Parker at the helm. Had high hopes for him but that ship has sailed.
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don't have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don't have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Perfect....so who in your opinion would be the Scott replacement
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don't have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Perfect....so who in your opinion would be the Scott replacement
anyoen who would try something different and re install a bit of hope
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 11:07:14 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don't have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Perfect....so who in your opinion would be the Scott replacement
anyoen who would try something different and re install a bit of hope
Very insightful
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 11:07:14 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don't have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Perfect....so who in your opinion would be the Scott replacement
anyoen who would try something different and re install a bit of hope
Very insightful
doesnt have to be insightful, think the vast majority now know it's not Parker, so anyone else will do
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 11:07:14 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don%u2019t have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Perfect....so who in your opinion would be the Scott replacement
anyoen who would try something different and re install a bit of hope
I agree that the football isn't attractive, but until someone can give a realistic alternative that will guarantee promotion I'm sticking with Scott. (and even if you can give an alternative...guess what, he ain't getting hired)
I'm patient because I still think the talent will outweigh the poor football. Hell, Leeds plays better football than us, and they lost to us.
Currently we're sitting at 16 wins out of 34 games.
I'm sure most will bring up our highly paid players contributing to the high win total... but 16 wins is more than we had at this stage in
14/15 = 11 wins
15/16 = 8 wins
17/18 = 15 wins (we were playing better ball, but we still have more wins now)
And the Khans aren't going to fire Scott before the season ends.
The football should be better. I agree. But it's not bad. It's just horribly inconsistent. Our players don't play well together.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on February 21, 2020, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 11:07:14 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on February 21, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
We don't have a divine right for promotion, the manager's been given a season to achieve this....just for arguments sake....who do you replace Scott with & will you guarantee promotion?
you are right we don't have a divine right, but a few of us, me especially have just asked for the odd good performance regardless of if we win or lose
Perfect....so who in your opinion would be the Scott replacement
anyoen who would try something different and re install a bit of hope
I agree that the football isn't attractive, but until someone can give a realistic alternative that will guarantee promotion I'm sticking with Scott. (and even if you can give an alternative...guess what, he ain't getting hired)
I'm patient because I still think the talent will outweigh the poor football. Hell, Leeds plays better football than us, and they lost to us.
Currently we're sitting at 16 wins out of 34 games.
I'm sure most will bring up our highly paid players contributing to the high win total... but 16 wins is more than we had at this stage in
14/15 = 11 wins
15/16 = 8 wins
17/18 = 15 wins (we were playing better ball, but we still have more wins now)
And the Khans aren't going to fire Scott before the season ends.
The football should be better. I agree. But it's not bad. It's just horribly inconsistent.
again with the guaranteed promotion. Parker can't do that and neither can anyone else, how about a manager that doesn't serve up such crap football, that's what I would be happy with
So genuinely didn't think it was that bad..
Think Parker was more attacking with subs and that gave us a fighting chance of grabbing that goal. It made us play better in the attacking third and be more threatening. I think if we start with that formation next week ie AK Mitro Cav then D Reid in behind then we have more bite.
Arter grew on me as the game went on. He reads play well eg covers Hector when he bombs forward but is slow to 50:50s and is a red card waiting to happen.
Knockaert off the pace since his injury.
Cairney better today I thought?
My problem.with parker is we have a forward line worth circa 60-70m and we dont try and get the ball to them always backwards.and sideways. Doesn't bother to attack until we are down
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
9 managers in 10 years
2 relegations
1 promotion
And when we were first promoted under SJ and results were not going well many on here wanted him replaced which did not end in success
Sometimes I feel that every one thinks changing a manager brings immediate success and that is not always the case
no one, and I mean no one as far as I have seen has asked for instant success. What we don't want is what Parker offers and that's consistent crap
Ben your anti Parker posts are dull boring and repetitive we get it you don't like him. Give yourself a day off. I'll back him and continue todo so, then he'll leave or be replaced and I'll back the next one until he Leaves etc. We win more than we lose and so yes I'm happy enough.
Quote from: snarks on February 22, 2020, 07:34:38 AM
Ben your anti Parker posts are dull boring and repetitive we get it you don't like him. Give yourself a day off. I'll back him and continue todo so, then he'll leave or be replaced and I'll back the next one until he Leaves etc. We win more than we lose and so yes I'm happy enough.
I am not trying to defend Ben, but I get where he's coming from.
Obviously we are all Fulham fans and want Fulham to do well. However, this has a different meaning for each one of us. For some the result and especially the win is the king, while others are more interested in the quality of football. That's why some people are pro Parker (having us 3rd and still with a chance for an automatic promotion) and others anti Parker (the football is boring).
Personally, I am not a fan of Parker. As others have said, I didn't like his appointment in the first place and have found it very difficult to warm up to him. That doesn't mean I won't support the team or that I want him sacked. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I read that he had been fired, but realistically I expect him to be here until the end of the season. What I don't like and cannot support is the quality of our football this year, especially when you compare it with Jokanovic's era which was not that long ago. As Toshe's Mate put it on a different thread, "it's hollow and empty" and unfortunately that feeling has been there all season and won't go away regardless if we get promoted or not.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on February 21, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
A lot of people are looking at Parker through rose tinted spectacles because it's his first season as a manager. It will be a disaster for us financially if we don't go up and we will almost certainly loose our only attackive threat in Mitrovic. We rely on him far too heavily and we have no alternative. We are vastly underperforming in terms of effort, performance and results. Tony Khan needs to be brave and get a replacement lined up ASAP as we will not go back up with Parker at the helm. Had high hopes for him but that ship has sailed.
Agree with this. Financially I think we could be in quite a lot of trouble if we don't go up
I don't think there will be a financial problem after we lose to Brentford in the play-off
Will still have parachute receipts and can flog Mitro and half the team
SP will go and we will start again with a new team
It's just a disappointing outcome but not the end of the world
It's only football !
Quote from: Rambler on February 22, 2020, 07:58:51 AM
Agree with this. Financially I think we could be in quite a lot of trouble if we don't go up
It's pure speculation but personally I'm not too worried about 20/21.
If Mitrovic goes it will more likely be because he doesnt want to spend another season in the Championship, rather than because we can't afford him.
The 21/22 season may be worse when our parachute payments end completely but we'll still probably be in a bracket of something like 4th-8th richest.
Players will come and go for different reasons, much like Mitro staying with us as he has his reasons. I know we're not clicking as a team and the style is not what most fans want but we still have some way to go before we have failed this season! We could be in the Prem next season, I know most of us don't believe that but we are still in this fight.
So Leeds, WBA, Brentford haven't lost game they should have won? Madrid? Juve? Barcelona? You think WBA play fantasy football??
The only thing I think Fulham and all clubs should do is make the manager more accessible to fans, monthly social media q and a, meetings at the club, I would certainly like some answers on some matters.
And to be honest, why the hell do we even want promotion? Anyone think this team competes in the prem? Oh, I know, we can spend £100m as that would guarantee staying up......
We win game in the championship, we don't in the prem, I'm backing Scott to get us in the play off final and then lose.
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Quote from: Jamie88 on February 21, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Why?
We should be getting automatic promotion with this team, and our manager is the reason behind our failings so far, no doubt about that. His tactics are woeful and have cost us points. The only reason we are not worse of position-wise is down to Mitro and Rodak.
'Should be' is an interesting thing to say in football. You only have to look around global football to see teams who 'should be' doing better than they are. In the UK alone, Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City. Unfortunately football isn't played on paper and the most expensive teams are rarely the ones that walk the league.
The reality is we are third and there are only a handful of teams that have lost more games than us and the table speaks for itself. Leeds have won something like 2 in 10 and West Brom went 7 games without a win, everyone goes through bad patches. We clearly are in one and there is still plenty of time to put the performances right to get promotion as we are in touching distance and how the season has gone would suggest everyone will drop points.
I honestly don't understand what some posters on this forum expect. It seems as if things aren't absolutely perfect then it is panic stations. I would hate to see the reaction on here if we were having a bad season!
Quote from: Putney Pride on February 22, 2020, 08:55:24 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on February 21, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Why?
We should be getting automatic promotion with this team, and our manager is the reason behind our failings so far, no doubt about that. His tactics are woeful and have cost us points. The only reason we are not worse of position-wise is down to Mitro and Rodak.
'Should be' is an interesting thing to say in football. You only have to look around global football to see teams who 'should be' doing better than they are. In the UK alone, Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City. Unfortunately football isn't played on paper and the most expensive teams are rarely the ones that walk the league.
The reality is we are third and there are only a handful of teams that have lost more games than us and the table speaks for itself. Leeds have won something like 2 in 10 and West Brom went 7 games without a win, everyone goes through bad patches. We clearly are in one and there is still plenty of time to put the performances right to get promotion as we are in touching distance and how the season has gone would suggest everyone will drop points.
I honestly don't understand what some posters on this forum expect. It seems as if things aren't absolutely perfect then it is panic stations. I would hate to see the reaction on here if we were having a bad season!
come on, do you really think we are looking for perfection, the vast majority just don't want to be crap
My opinion is that i have been spoilt by the football
of Jokavonic for those 2 glorious seasons on making the play offs
and ultimately winning at Wembley.
It was up there with Tigana season.
It was free flowing and great to watch.
Dont think Parker knows his best formation, very disjointed.
Think Midfield is the real problem.Cairney going backwards in his career
And honestly dont think the players are putting in the effort of other teams.
I would have like to have seen players like OReilly and De la Torre given a chance.
Also Kebano more game time.
We really are in a false position.
Players seem too comfortable and maybe Parker is like mates to the players,
and not digging them out for lack of effort.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
if Parker has the support of the players, why have we been so dreadful for the last few months?
What like 2 defeats in 13 dreadful?
Quote from: fulhamben on February 22, 2020, 08:58:26 AM
Quote from: Putney Pride on February 22, 2020, 08:55:24 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on February 21, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: colcliff on February 21, 2020, 09:50:12 PM
Getting sick of every time we don't win
Sack the manager
Why?
We should be getting automatic promotion with this team, and our manager is the reason behind our failings so far, no doubt about that. His tactics are woeful and have cost us points. The only reason we are not worse of position-wise is down to Mitro and Rodak.
'Should be' is an interesting thing to say in football. You only have to look around global football to see teams who 'should be' doing better than they are. In the UK alone, Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City. Unfortunately football isn't played on paper and the most expensive teams are rarely the ones that walk the league.
The reality is we are third and there are only a handful of teams that have lost more games than us and the table speaks for itself. Leeds have won something like 2 in 10 and West Brom went 7 games without a win, everyone goes through bad patches. We clearly are in one and there is still plenty of time to put the performances right to get promotion as we are in touching distance and how the season has gone would suggest everyone will drop points.
I honestly don't understand what some posters on this forum expect. It seems as if things aren't absolutely perfect then it is panic stations. I would hate to see the reaction on here if we were having a bad season!
come on, do you really think we are looking for perfection, the vast majority just don't want to be crap
How is third in the league crap? I know we aren't blowing everyone away but I fail to see why our league position represents such negativity
Quote from: Jim© on February 22, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
if Parker has the support of the players, why have we been so dreadful for the last few months?
What like 2 defeats in 13 dreadful?
I know! Hence my previous post about people expecting perfection. Leeds have won 2 in 10 or 11. Should they be sacking manager? Or should we exercise some patience for once and back the manager
Love the Internet, I just noticed on TFI, one of the posters has been referred to as 'the poor man's Fulhamben'.
Quote from: Tempest on February 22, 2020, 08:52:33 AM
So Leeds, WBA, Brentford haven't lost game they should have won? Madrid? Juve? Barcelona? You think WBA play fantasy football??
The only thing I think Fulham and all clubs should do is make the manager more accessible to fans, monthly social media q and a, meetings at the club, I would certainly like some answers on some matters.
And to be honest, why the hell do we even want promotion? Anyone think this team competes in the prem? Oh, I know, we can spend £100m as that would guarantee staying up......
We win game in the championship, we don't in the prem, I'm backing Scott to get us in the play off final and then lose.
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My thoughts exactly. We are not good enough for the Prem at the moment. Ideally, for me, we make good progress this season, get promoted 2020/21 and enter the Prem the following season with a well-rounded team and a lovely new stand !
Of course, failure to get promoted this season will see all the toys getting thrown out of the pram by many on here, baying for Scott Parker's blood. Not me.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 09:42:57 PM
Anyone?
Wow I must write this down and read it at night, it's much better than taking a sleeping tablet.
The NHS could take it up to as a recognised cure. 💤
Quote from: Putney Pride on February 22, 2020, 10:05:52 AM
Quote from: Jim© on February 22, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
if Parker has the support of the players, why have we been so dreadful for the last few months?
What like 2 defeats in 13 dreadful?
I know! Hence my previous post about people expecting perfection. Leeds have won 2 in 10 or 11. Should they be sacking manager? Or should we exercise some patience for once and back the manager
It's not always about wins. If we had to choose between Parker's or Bielsa's (or Jokanovic's for what it's worth) football to watch, I doubt a lot of us would choose Parker's.
I think an issue is that our players are clearly coached to make the safer/backwards pass to retain possession when we need to just go up maybe one more gear and push for another 25% say of more forward balls. That together with the more attacking line up we saw in the last 25 minutes yesterday, and we will start to tear teams up again. Back to our Jokanovic days of attack being the best form of defence.
Yes, Bryan/Ream are a bit shaky but we can afford to trust Odoi and Hector at least and be more attacking.
I will not get into the petty digs that seem to bog every debate nowadays, (nice to see though that kjs did not disappoint with his post game insult). I sincerely believe we are in a false position, those that say we do not have a talented squad I would like them to consider this.
I think the football via Parker's tactics that we bring to games is very very poor, the reason we are in the position we are in s the individual brilliance of player that have secured wins. Consider how many worldies you have seen this year, and a cf, who gets so little service but still manages to be top scorer.
Cairney I feel has been in a downward spiral for a long time, I have been paying particular attention to our back line for the last few weeks, and tbh I feel really sorry for them , they receive the ball, they rarely have options to pass to unless they play the latest fad of a diagonal, if they play it to Cairney he just passes it back, then under pressure they hoof it or make a mistake.
Our best spell last night was when knock went left and bobby went right to centre, this inverted winger system does not work it is to easy to defend, they know we are going to come inside so just run our wingers into traffic.
I really feel we need to change Parker who for i do not know tbh, but we will never play well with this keep possession at the expense of everything else style, our midfield is and has been our major problem all season and invariably two players when fit will always start,the other position seems to have a random rotation on it.
If we go up under Parker, I think I will have to find a dark room to go in for a season and never look at any form of media because it will be horrendous in regard to what the prem teams will do if we continue playing this way.
Bobby very good point regards defenders which I hadn't realised. Very few outlets and often Cairney does just pass straight back.
Quote from: bobby01 on February 22, 2020, 10:48:27 AM
I will not get into the petty digs that seem to bog every debate nowadays, (nice to see though that kjs did not disappoint with his post game insult). I sincerely believe we are in a false position, those that say we do not have a talented squad I would like them to consider this.
I think the football via Parker's tactics that we bring to games is very very poor, the reason we are in the position we are in s the individual brilliance of player that have secured wins. Consider how many worldies you have seen this year, and a cf, who gets so little service but still manages to be top scorer.
Cairney I feel has been in a downward spiral for a long time, I have been paying particular attention to our back line for the last few weeks, and tbh I feel really sorry for them , they receive the ball, they rarely have options to pass to unless they play the latest fad of a diagonal, if they play it to Cairney he just passes it back, then under pressure they hoof it or make a mistake.
Our best spell last night was when knock went left and bobby went right to centre, this inverted winger system does not work it is to easy to defend, they know we are going to come inside so just run our wingers into traffic.
I really feel we need to change Parker who for i do not know tbh, but we will never play well with this keep possession at the expense of everything else style, our midfield is and has been our major problem all season and invariably two players when fit will always start,the other position seems to have a random rotation on it.
If we go up under Parker, I think I will have to find a dark room to go in for a season and never look at any form of media because it will be horrendous in regard to what the prem teams will do if we continue playing this way.
Quote from: SP on February 22, 2020, 10:16:25 AM
Love the Internet, I just noticed on TFI, one of the posters has been referred to as 'the poor man's Fulhamben'.
Lol!
I agree that our set-up has not been right and have been of this view all season. My main beef is that playing with two out and out, inverted but essentially old-fashioned wingers is an easy set-up to play against, especially as it takes us time to get the ball forward. Ultimately our shape, set-up, and speed of play is the manager's brief, and we don't appear to be putting things right. So yesterday we looked like the better team for a lot of the time, yet their keeper did not have many saves to make and ours had to pull off several outstanding ones. The substitutions helped give us a bit more bite and urgency, but as it should.. we had five forwards on the field. However it was a bit precarious ..every time we lost the ball it looked as if they had a break on.
In Cearney's defence, I don't think he is always played in his best position. When pushed forward into a kind of number 10 role, as he was against Barnsley, he seems to struggle to get into the game, and does not look like the attacking threat we need from that position. If this is a valid point, then, again, this is something Parker should be looking at. Tom still looks like real quality on the ball. His touch in a crowded space, ability to hold the ball under pressure and then use it safely (if not always adventurously) is really first class. But I think it's fair to say we are not getting as much out of him as we did in the past.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 21, 2020, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: grandad on February 21, 2020, 10:20:48 PM
The time to discuss manager is at the end of the season. Get off his back & support & encourage him & the team NOW.
exactly that, I will never forgive al fayed for sacking Sanchez mid season and brining in Roy. It's widely regarded that Sanchez wouldn't have bottled the europa final like Roy did
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Quote from: Whitesideup on February 22, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
I agree that our set-up has not been right and have been of this view all season. My main beef is that playing with two out and out, inverted but essentially old-fashioned wingers is an easy set-up to play against, especially as it takes us time to get the ball forward. Ultimately our shape, set-up, and speed of play is the manager's brief, and we don't appear to be putting things right. So yesterday we looked like the better team for a lot of the time, yet their keeper did not have many saves to make and ours had to pull off several outstanding ones. The substitutions helped give us a bit more bite and urgency, but as it should.. we had five forwards on the field. However it was a bit precarious ..every time we lost the ball it looked as if they had a break on.
In Cearney's defence, I don't think he is always played in his best position. When pushed forward into a kind of number 10 role, as he was against Barnsley, he seems to struggle to get into the game, and does not look like the attacking threat we need from that position. If this is a valid point, then, again, this is something Parker should be looking at. Tom still looks like real quality on the ball. His touch in a crowded space, ability to hold the ball under pressure and then use it safely (if not always adventurously) is really first class. But I think it's fair to say we are not getting as much out of him as we did in the past.
Cairney needs protection, freedom and I get the feeling to be told he's loved a bit and I think then you see a player that can dictate and change games.
What we get is a rigid, no protection, same options ahead that are being read by the opposition and he gets subbed most games. Parker is ruining him
Quote from: Fulham1959 on February 22, 2020, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: Tempest on February 22, 2020, 08:52:33 AM
So Leeds, WBA, Brentford haven't lost game they should have won? Madrid? Juve? Barcelona? You think WBA play fantasy football??
The only thing I think Fulham and all clubs should do is make the manager more accessible to fans, monthly social media q and a, meetings at the club, I would certainly like some answers on some matters.
And to be honest, why the hell do we even want promotion? Anyone think this team competes in the prem? Oh, I know, we can spend £100m as that would guarantee staying up......
We win game in the championship, we don't in the prem, I'm backing Scott to get us in the play off final and then lose.
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My thoughts exactly. We are not good enough for the Prem at the moment. Ideally, for me, we make good progress this season, get promoted 2020/21 and enter the Prem the following season with a well-rounded team and a lovely new stand !
Agreed.
In all honesty I'd rather not get promotion this year. Were clearly not ready for it as a team or as a club.
Quote from: Whitesideup on February 22, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
I agree that our set-up has not been right and have been of this view all season. My main beef is that playing with two out and out, inverted but essentially old-fashioned wingers is an easy set-up to play against, especially as it takes us time to get the ball forward. Ultimately our shape, set-up, and speed of play is the manager's brief, and we don't appear to be putting things right. So yesterday we looked like the better team for a lot of the time, yet their keeper did not have many saves to make and ours had to pull off several outstanding ones. The substitutions helped give us a bit more bite and urgency, but as it should.. we had five forwards on the field. However it was a bit precarious ..every time we lost the ball it looked as if they had a break on.
In Cearney's defence, I don't think he is always played in his best position. When pushed forward into a kind of number 10 role, as he was against Barnsley, he seems to struggle to get into the game, and does not look like the attacking threat we need from that position. If this is a valid point, then, again, this is something Parker should be looking at. Tom still looks like real quality on the ball. His touch in a crowded space, ability to hold the ball under pressure and then use it safely (if not always adventurously) is really first class. But I think it's fair to say we are not getting as much out of him as we did in the past.
Man city and liverpool both play with 'inverted' wingers. Salah from the right and mane from the left, sterling from left and Silva or Mahrez from the right. It is not 'easy' to defend against it depends on the quality of the performance of the wingers. If all they ever do is come inside it is easier to defend against yes but both of these teams that I mentioned don't do that and to be fair neither do ours, they probably get to the byline enough and are lacking confidence but it is not as straight forward as just saying don't cut inside.
There are far too many arm chair managers amongst the football fan community. "Just play player x in his right position and we will win" etc etc etc if it was that simple we would all be doing it.
Quote from: Riversider on February 21, 2020, 10:09:56 PM
Calm down everyone, Colin will be along shortly to reassure us all that were going to get automatic promotion 😃
Glad to see your lightening up a bit pal. Your usually suicidal by this time on a friday!!
Quote from: Skatzoffc on February 22, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on February 22, 2020, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: Tempest on February 22, 2020, 08:52:33 AM
So Leeds, WBA, Brentford haven't lost game they should have won? Madrid? Juve? Barcelona? You think WBA play fantasy football??
The only thing I think Fulham and all clubs should do is make the manager more accessible to fans, monthly social media q and a, meetings at the club, I would certainly like some answers on some matters.
And to be honest, why the hell do we even want promotion? Anyone think this team competes in the prem? Oh, I know, we can spend £100m as that would guarantee staying up......
We win game in the championship, we don't in the prem, I'm backing Scott to get us in the play off final and then lose.
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My thoughts exactly. We are not good enough for the Prem at the moment. Ideally, for me, we make good progress this season, get promoted 2020/21 and enter the Prem the following season with a well-rounded team and a lovely new stand !
Agreed.
In all honesty I'd rather not get promotion this year. Were clearly not ready for it as a team or as a club.
Who is ready promotion? I really don't get the comments we are not ready for promotion we would get relegated again etc. Who would have expected Sheffield United to perform as they have this year??
Mitrovic will go his money largely used to balance the books, our ffp position will worsen as parachutes drop and we will have a side if less ready for the premiership, so I dont see a valid point.
Gawd blimey cant we wait until we have failed miserably before talking about who is getting sold!!!! :doh:
Get off Scott's back you lot.
He believes in a way of playing and sticks to it, I liked his post match interview.
Yes, Barnsley was woeful but most of the goals conceded this season have been individual errors.
SR is still regarded by most as a great Manager but he had the advantage of two good overlapping full backs, we didn't look that good after Fredericks and Targatt left.
Hull and Barnsley aside we haven't always had the rub of the green.
Look at the Table, we are still 3rd.
Judge him at the end of the season.
I thought we were all Fulham supporters. OP of course we are backing Parker ,as long as he is head coach of the team. We may not like his tactics or whatever but my backing he has .
12 games left, no point in changing the gaffer now who has had us in the playoffs for the majority of the season. To claim we somehow should be walking the league with the team we have is narcissistic and arrogant. These other teams may not have some of the relative "household names", but that doesn't mean their players aren't as good, if not better, than ours. We are a team of premier league relegationists and loanees... why are we somehow expected to blow others out of the water again?
Quote from: Putney Pride on February 22, 2020, 11:43:38 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on February 22, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
I agree that our set-up has not been right and have been of this view all season. My main beef is that playing with two out and out, inverted but essentially old-fashioned wingers is an easy set-up to play against, especially as it takes us time to get the ball forward. Ultimately our shape, set-up, and speed of play is the manager's brief, and we don't appear to be putting things right. So yesterday we looked like the better team for a lot of the time, yet their keeper did not have many saves to make and ours had to pull off several outstanding ones. The substitutions helped give us a bit more bite and urgency, but as it should.. we had five forwards on the field. However it was a bit precarious ..every time we lost the ball it looked as if they had a break on.
In Cearney's defence, I don't think he is always played in his best position. When pushed forward into a kind of number 10 role, as he was against Barnsley, he seems to struggle to get into the game, and does not look like the attacking threat we need from that position. If this is a valid point, then, again, this is something Parker should be looking at. Tom still looks like real quality on the ball. His touch in a crowded space, ability to hold the ball under pressure and then use it safely (if not always adventurously) is really first class. But I think it's fair to say we are not getting as much out of him as we did in the past.
Man city and liverpool both play with 'inverted' wingers. Salah from the right and mane from the left, sterling from left and Silva or Mahrez from the right. It is not 'easy' to defend against it depends on the quality of the performance of the wingers. If all they ever do is come inside it is easier to defend against yes but both of these teams that I mentioned don't do that and to be fair neither do ours, they probably get to the byline enough and are lacking confidence but it is not as straight forward as just saying don't cut inside.
There are far too many arm chair managers amongst the football fan community. "Just play player x in his right position and we will win" etc etc etc if it was that simple we would all be doing it.
Are you having a dig? Firstly I don't see anyone saying "just do this and we will win". I certainly wasn't. Secondly if you mean by discussing things and putting forward views we are "armchair managers" then so be it, but what else are we supposed to do on a football forum? Discuss meat content of the burgers? .....actually, maybe not such a bad idea!!
And my point about wingers (inverted or otherwise) is that taking time to get forward makes it easier to mark them and nullify their talent; I think Cav and Knockaert are both good players. Liverpool's brand of football is great, and Mane and Salah (apart from being two of the best in Europe) in my view do not play as out-and-out wingers. Very often they get support from the full backs who assume the wide position. They come inside much more frequently and are more involved in the game, and have a much greater impact in the box, witness the number of goals they score. I think Cav and Knockaert roles are quite a bit different.
Quote from: OhConnah on February 22, 2020, 03:03:27 PM
12 games left, no point in changing the gaffer now who has had us in the playoffs for the majority of the season. To claim we somehow should be walking the league with the team we have is narcissistic and arrogant. These other teams may not have some of the relative "household names", but that doesn't mean their players aren't as good, if not better, than ours. We are a team of premier league relegationists and loanees... why are we somehow expected to blow others out of the water again?
I don't expect us to 'Blow anyone out of the water', I just wish we were not playing such boring football. I would rather we didn't get promoted but actually played football worth paying money to watch. If I want to watch a side make 400+ passes and hardly ever cross the halfway line, I would watch Arsenal videos from the 90s.
Parker is going nowhere until the season is over. I just cannot see the style of football getting any more watchable.
Quote from: OhConnah on February 22, 2020, 03:03:27 PM
12 games left, no point in changing the gaffer now who has had us in the playoffs for the majority of the season. To claim we somehow should be walking the league with the team we have is narcissistic and arrogant. These other teams may not have some of the relative "household names", but that doesn't mean their players aren't as good, if not better, than ours. We are a team of premier league relegationists and loanees... why are we somehow expected to blow others out of the water again?
Basically agree with every word of that...
Quote from: Asotosyios on February 22, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: snarks on February 22, 2020, 07:34:38 AM
Ben your anti Parker posts are dull boring and repetitive we get it you don't like him. Give yourself a day off. I'll back him and continue todo so, then he'll leave or be replaced and I'll back the next one until he Leaves etc. We win more than we lose and so yes I'm happy enough.
I am not trying to defend Ben, but I get where he's coming from.
Obviously we are all Fulham fans and want Fulham to do well. However, this has a different meaning for each one of us. For some the result and especially the win is the king, while others are more interested in the quality of football. That's why some people are pro Parker (having us 3rd and still with a chance for an automatic promotion) and others anti Parker (the football is boring).
Personally, I am not a fan of Parker. As others have said, I didn't like his appointment in the first place and have found it very difficult to warm up to him. That doesn't mean I won't support the team or that I want him sacked. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I read that he had been fired, but realistically I expect him to be here until the end of the season. What I don't like and cannot support is the quality of our football this year, especially when you compare it with Jokanovic's era which was not that long ago. As Toshe's Mate put it on a different thread, "it's hollow and empty" and unfortunately that feeling has been there all season and won't go away regardless if we get promoted or not.
I don't think the football is boring - its not quick enough when it's 0 - 0 and we only started to play like we should when we went behind, quicker and more direct. My comment at Ben was for him it's personal as his "I don't care if we were 30 points clear, I'd still want him gone" post.
I also accept that we do want different things, but the Parker bashing is so dull. I log on here far less because of it. When we win it's the team, when we lose it's Scott's fault. We are 3rd FFS not 3rd from bottom. Everyone knows and stats bear it out, it's very hard for relegated teams to bounce straight back. Those that expected us to walk it are deluded IMHO. just look last time we were relegated under Felix, we were still one of the bookies favorites to go up that first season, it a 46 game season (or 49 via playoffs) lets now finish the season, then by all means let the haters have the MB for their opinions.
The long punts from Hector are weird
Quote from: snarks on February 24, 2020, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: Asotosyios on February 22, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: snarks on February 22, 2020, 07:34:38 AM
Ben your anti Parker posts are dull boring and repetitive we get it you don't like him. Give yourself a day off. I'll back him and continue todo so, then he'll leave or be replaced and I'll back the next one until he Leaves etc. We win more than we lose and so yes I'm happy enough.
I am not trying to defend Ben, but I get where he's coming from.
Obviously we are all Fulham fans and want Fulham to do well. However, this has a different meaning for each one of us. For some the result and especially the win is the king, while others are more interested in the quality of football. That's why some people are pro Parker (having us 3rd and still with a chance for an automatic promotion) and others anti Parker (the football is boring).
Personally, I am not a fan of Parker. As others have said, I didn't like his appointment in the first place and have found it very difficult to warm up to him. That doesn't mean I won't support the team or that I want him sacked. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I read that he had been fired, but realistically I expect him to be here until the end of the season. What I don't like and cannot support is the quality of our football this year, especially when you compare it with Jokanovic's era which was not that long ago. As Toshe's Mate put it on a different thread, "it's hollow and empty" and unfortunately that feeling has been there all season and won't go away regardless if we get promoted or not.
I don't think the football is boring - its not quick enough when it's 0 - 0 and we only started to play like we should when we went behind, quicker and more direct. My comment at Ben was for him it's personal as his "I don't care if we were 30 points clear, I'd still want him gone" post.
I also accept that we do want different things, but the Parker bashing is so dull. I log on here far less because of it. When we win it's the team, when we lose it's Scott's fault. We are 3rd FFS not 3rd from bottom. Everyone knows and stats bear it out, it's very hard for relegated teams to bounce straight back. Those that expected us to walk it are deluded IMHO. just look last time we were relegated under Felix, we were still one of the bookies favorites to go up that first season, it a 46 game season (or 49 via playoffs) lets now finish the season, then by all means let the haters have the MB for their opinions.
Perfectly said.
Quote from: Asotosyios on February 22, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
Quote from: snarks on February 22, 2020, 07:34:38 AM
Ben your anti Parker posts are dull boring and repetitive we get it you don't like him. Give yourself a day off. I'll back him and continue todo so, then he'll leave or be replaced and I'll back the next one until he Leaves etc. We win more than we lose and so yes I'm happy enough.
I am not trying to defend Ben, but I get where he's coming from.
Obviously we are all Fulham fans and want Fulham to do well. However, this has a different meaning for each one of us. For some the result and especially the win is the king, while others are more interested in the quality of football. That's why some people are pro Parker (having us 3rd and still with a chance for an automatic promotion) and others anti Parker (the football is boring).
Personally, I am not a fan of Parker. As others have said, I didn't like his appointment in the first place and have found it very difficult to warm up to him. That doesn't mean I won't support the team or that I want him sacked. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I read that he had been fired, but realistically I expect him to be here until the end of the season. What I don't like and cannot support is the quality of our football this year, especially when you compare it with Jokanovic's era which was not that long ago. As Toshe's Mate put it on a different thread, "it's hollow and empty" and unfortunately that feeling has been there all season and won't go away regardless if we get promoted or not.
I think every one of us can understand where he's coming from, both those who wish to stick by SP and those who want shot of him. The issue at hand, I feel, for those that are willing to stick with SP is that they are reading 'Sack SP' each time, for various reasons anywhere between 'boring football' to 'not enough experience' to 'we should be storming this league' (et al.) but nobody can provide a certainty who would give us 'excellent football' plus 'storming the league from this point on' to 'plenty of experience', because nobody can.
I am happy to stick with SP until the end of the season, simply because we are third in a division where, even over the past month, we have seen any team can beat any team, we have seen the top 2 clubs drop points in totally unexpected games. We are third even though we have an inexperienced manager. We are third because we have earned that place in the fizzy league, in the same way that WBA and Leeds have earned their placing as the top 2, and the other teams around us have earned their places.
If we get promotion I cannot see ANY manager being able to keep us up past the initial season because we don't have the squad to maintain that, and we cannot buy a squad capable of doing so and keep within FFP (unless some clubs have brain farts and sell us players at a vastly reduced rates). Perhaps half the squad will need to be replaced for that survival imo. Do I hope I'm wrong, of course I do, but I also recall a couple of seasons back storming the second half of the season and getting promoted just to be totally outclassed, outplayed, and embarrassed by what happened to us in the top flight.
So, we all know where Ben is coming from, and we're all in agreement with his sentiments - almost, but without the silver bullet to put everything right in the next 3 months, then that's all we have, sentiments.
I will reply simply to the title of the thread
YES .
I am willing to back anyone that is manager at the time as I will back any player that is on the pitch.
I always want them to do well
Call me a supporter if you must rather than a fan .....