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Sunday league defending not for the 1st time this season. Our decision making in the final third is embarrassing
Wouldn't even blame the defence to be honest. Too many key players not turning up. Parker not brave or tactically astute enough to win key games. Overall just a really, really average side who do more things average or below than well. Frustrated and dissappointed.
I actually think that we played really well, but one sloppy moment in defense and inability to score up front obviously cost us the win. As far as transitional play and fluidity, I think we did very well.
Rubbish. Good point move on . Been reading that drivel all season
Yes good performance let down by bad misses.
Reid scored lots for them but can't score for us very frustrating.
Bristol City are a really good side, this isn't the game that cost us automatic promotion. It was dropping 8 points against Luton and Barnsley. One thing is for sure and that is that Kamara must start.
Players to blame for not taking chances,nothing the manager can do about that.
Quote from: colinwhite on March 07, 2020, 02:29:04 PM
Rubbish. Good point move on . Been reading that drivel all season
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9 GAMES LEFT.
And we should have had a penalty on their keeper.
Anyway...be pessimistic. I'll actually wait until it's actually true that we can't get auto before I pull my pants down for Leeds or West Brom.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 07, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Players to blame for not taking chances,nothing the manager can do about that.
I couldn't agree more, once on the pitch they are 11 professionals. Surely they don't need to be told how to play for a win
Cavaleiro is having a poor run of performances.
Just a pity the three best chances fell to the same player. There was only one team trying to win that game and we looked streets ahead of them. Looks like play offs, but we have nothing to fear from them.
Every time we fail to win we are rubbish. Average side, playing average football... then why aren't we in an average position in our division?
Complete over reaction. A point away against a team challenging for the play offs is ok. Yes, there frustrations about the way we play but; automatic promotion gone, Parker not brave, average team etc. How about drama queen supporters?
I think we were great to watch today. Great passing, a lot of synchronization and fluidity, just an unfortunate time in front of goal. Wells' goal was super sloppy, they didn't deserve it, and we SHOULD have been the winners easily, but we were not. Scott picked the right team, I think we played nicely and professionally, and with 9 games to go we just need to continue to cement our 3rd place position, maybe sneak up on Leeds if they wobble, but stop moaning about autos and get behind the team for the final stretch of the season into the playoffs (hopefully).
We didn't take our many chances, but well done for battling to save a point, and nearly win it.
TC stepped up to the plate.
There's still all to play for.
COYW!!!
Quote from: colinwhite on March 07, 2020, 02:29:04 PM
Rubbish. Good point move on . Been reading that drivel all season
For once I agree with you.
If anyone was expecting us to win all of our last 10 games, then yes they will be disappointed today. But the best we can realistically aim to do is win about 7 of them and hope one of the top 2 slip up. If either of them lose today, it's a point gained. If they both win, well then we were never going to catch them anyway.
One of our better games, much better than Bristol (and they are a good team). Sometimes the rub of the green (and the ref) is not on your side, and lack of clinical finishing may cost you. Don't agree with the complainers at all about this game. Other than that the result is disappointing of course.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on March 07, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Bristol City are a really good side, this isn't the game that cost us automatic promotion. It was dropping 8 points against Luton and Barnsley. One thing is for sure and that is that Kamara must start.
Agreed on both accounts. AK47 is a DEADLY super sub though. Perhaps start Knockers and then rotate him and AK at the 50th?
Quote from: andyk on March 07, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Just a pity the three best chances fell to the same player. There was only one team trying to win that game and we looked streets ahead of them. Looks like play offs, but we have nothing to fear from them.
Really, they did us 2-1 and then held us to a draw... based on that we wouldn't be going very far in the playoffs
It's a real shame about our defending for their goal. 9 times out of 10 you get away with it but you can't take that chance, just get rid... Apart from that I can't fault the performance of any of the players today. Played some really exciting football and dominated a good team on their own pitch. An inspiring performance by our Captain, but it was the birthday boy Abou that stole the show. His best performance in a Fulham shirt that I can remember. His footwork was excellent and apart from one occasion passed or crossed at the right moment. Bristol were terrified of him. The good performance makes it even harder to take as it's easy to point the blame where it's due, but the team deserved all 3 points today. We were robbed by a soft referee, the sort of employee that would rather stare into space rather than work given the opportunity. Coward, thanks for nothing.
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 07, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: andyk on March 07, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Just a pity the three best chances fell to the same player. There was only one team trying to win that game and we looked streets ahead of them. Looks like play offs, but we have nothing to fear from them.
Really, they did us 2-1 and then held us to a draw... based on that we wouldn't be going very far in the playoffs
Then it was probably not based on that, because I believe most of us are familiar with the results? Maybe it was based on us being far superior today for example? Just a thought
Quote from: OhConnah on March 07, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
I actually think that we played really well, but one sloppy moment in defense and inability to score up front obviously cost us the win. As far as transitional play and fluidity, I think we did very well.
totally agree . We did well.
Yet again poor referee .
Their goal a player offside as the ball comes i , although he doesn't touch it he impedes our defender trying to clear it, then it falls to wells who scores.
Then what about the challenge on cairney in the dying seconds , disgrace easy option taken by the ref .
They looked dangerous on the break but we were so superior overall. Slick speedy passing. We're very unlucky not to have got all 3 points.
Just watched their goal. Ream just wasn't mobile enough to get to it.
Exciting game. Happy with our general performance. Yet another disgraceful ref. Gave BC every 50/50 & bottled the stonewall pen The GK took away TC´s left leg & then grabbed the ball.
Still believe we need to play with a second striker. Anytime we were in or near the box, Mitro had 3 or 4 defenders all over him. Not only could not score, he never touched the ball. Would be a change in formation, but we can't score this way.
I thought we were good today. By no means incredible but by no means end of days stuff. Take a point and keep going. I think we are playing better now than we have most of the season and some of our players are adding the resolve that has been missing so I am optimistic.
Why oh why do we struggle to score more than one? There is a time to be patient and it is not usually in front of their goal.
Quote from: joef on March 07, 2020, 02:48:53 PM
I thought we were good today. By no means incredible but by no means end of days stuff. Take a point and keep going. I think we are playing better now than we have most of the season and some of our players are adding the resolve that has been missing so I am optimistic.
One of the good takeaways from today's game is that we look a hell of a lot closer to a team that could compete well in the playoffs than we did a couple of months ago. Hector has been everything we were hoping for.
A decent performance today, not a bad result, 9 more big performances needed
To stay optimistic one draw and nine wins ought to be enough for automatic promotion.
I thought the oldies (from last season) did well today, but newbies not so well except for Arter who continues to provide the space and time Cairney needs to play well. Kamara continues to show what a range of skills he has, and Kebano does enough to show his potential were he given a proper run in the side. I agree with comments about the guy with the whistle who was badly impersonating a referee, although we only have to look at wasted chances to know why he was allowed to have an impact at all. Kamara gets my MOTM although I expect Cairney will win it. I thought their goalkeeper went through Cairney to get to the ball at the death and had it been Marek it would have been a red card and a penalty ... so much for consistency though.
Quote from: OhConnah on March 07, 2020, 02:39:21 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on March 07, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Bristol City are a really good side, this isn't the game that cost us automatic promotion. It was dropping 8 points against Luton and Barnsley. One thing is for sure and that is that Kamara must start.
Agreed on both accounts. AK47 is a DEADLY super sub though. Perhaps start Knockers and then rotate him and AK at the 50th?
He was good all game today. Kebano can play super sub.
Do people honestly think we were 'good' today? I thought we were ok, very disappointing in final third and particularly below par from Ivan and Reid who failed to show quality in final third again. I'm not normally too down after a draw away to Bristol but the aim is top 2 and we're again dangling the carrot and not closing the gap. Too many times we've done that now.
As always in isolation, not a bad result and not a terrible performance but a game we needed to win to put pressure on top 2 and we fall short again. Hence the frustration. Call it what you will, drama queen supporter, pessimist, overreaction but after some really poor results we needed to recoup with games like this, Millwall and some coming up but it's really hard to see that happening.
It'll be playoffs for us and a lottery outcome.
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 07, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: andyk on March 07, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Just a pity the three best chances fell to the same player. There was only one team trying to win that game and we looked streets ahead of them. Looks like play offs, but we have nothing to fear from them.
Really, they did us 2-1 and then held us to a draw... based on that we wouldn't be going very far in the playoffs
Haven't seen today's game but at the Cottage we outplayed them and were denied the most blatant penalty I have seen all season. Sounds very much like today's game. We have a tough run in but I bet no one is looking forward to playing us.
Quote from: Dodgin on March 07, 2020, 02:34:49 PM
Cavaleiro is having a poor run of performances.
understatement, I dont want him to pull a Fulham shirt on for a while . He's quite poor at present.
Whzt sort of ref is he?
Any othrr team it is a penalty coots delighted in not giving us fouls. Seen him before, just like halsey and poll, i am afraid they are completely dishonest in their dealings. Dreadful.
Ps i thought we played really well and were a bit unlucky.
Just watched Sky Highlights.
Bobby Reid should have put that header away,and Mitro was fuming he didn't square to him second half and instead chose to shoot.
Quote from: LittleErn on March 07, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
Just watched their goal. Ream just wasn't mobile enough to get to it.
He wasnt but there where many muck ups before then, Arter should have got it away but didnt it was a complete cluster duck of a goal to give away
Tc also got pushed in the back.
Only disappointment today was Mitro.Very poor. Just complained all the time and didnt even get a sweat on.
Quote from: colinwhite on March 07, 2020, 06:36:11 PM
Only disappointment today was Mitro.Very poor. Just complained all the time and didnt even get a sweat on.
Can´t blame Mitro when he is isolated & given no service from anyone. Constantly playing with his back to the goal & every time he did get the ball he was constantly grappled with
Isolated maybe. A big fan and not quick to criticise anyone,but today he needs to look himself in the mirror.
Yes he was poor today,no mistake about that.
His contribution to general play doesn't live up to the hype, but goals count and he scores goals.
He is too good for this league but not good enough for the PL.
Today's performance was unfortunately par for the course.
Just his presence caused so many problems for the opponents' defenders and makes so much space for others
Just a shame that Dec Reid's finishing was woeful
Fair point
Quote from: LittleErn on March 07, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
Just watched their goal. Ream just wasn't mobile enough to get to it.
Gonna disagree.
Mitro missed the uncontested header in the middle of the box which threw everything off. Ream gets knocked down on a header then gets up and tries to scramble back across to contest Wells. Thought Ream didn't perform well overall on the day, but can't find a whole lot to fault him for on the goal. He was basically marking 2 players at that point.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on March 07, 2020, 02:42:44 PM
It's a real shame about our defending for their goal. 9 times out of 10 you get away with it but you can't take that chance, just get rid... Apart from that I can't fault the performance of any of the players today. Played some really exciting football and dominated a good team on their own pitch. An inspiring performance by our Captain, but it was the birthday boy Abou that stole the show. His best performance in a Fulham shirt that I can remember. His footwork was excellent and apart from one occasion passed or crossed at the right moment. Bristol were terrified of him. The good performance makes it even harder to take as it's easy to point the blame where it's due, but the team deserved all 3 points today. We were robbed by a soft referee, the sort of employee that would rather stare into space rather than work given the opportunity. Coward, thanks for nothing.
He was a poor referee.
I heard on the commentary that he was a VAR official for the Premier League. Turns out with some research he was the VAR official who screwed up during the Spurs-Chelsea match 2 weeks back where they announced his "human error" mid match with regard to LoCelso's stamp on Azpulicueta.
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Quote from: LittleErn on March 07, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
Just watched their goal. Ream just wasn't mobile enough to get to it.
I've been trying for sometime now to find a bookie who'll let me bet, not on who the first scorer will be, but on which of our defenders they'll be standing closest to when they score. There's a fortune to be made just by sticking £100 on it being Ream every week.
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: LittleErn on March 07, 2020, 02:45:54 PM
Just watched their goal. Ream just wasn't mobile enough to get to it.
I've been trying for sometime now to find a bookie who'll let me bet, not on who the first scorer will be, but on which of our defenders they'll be standing closest to when they score. There's a fortune to be made just by sticking £100 on it being Ream every week.
The Ream bash...was waiting for that.
Admittedly I did not see all the game on tv but I thought it a decent point and unfortunate not to score more than we did. Main thing is I felt I saw a team out there today. Is that beginning to click 🤣
At the risk of dropping a huge brick in what has been a very still pond since the final whistle ......... the ref. He rightly booked Arter and followed 'procedure' in respect of the bookings he gave out to the City players, although I felt one of those was harsh. Offsides were offside although the debate regarding interfering/not interfering goes on and the last minute penalty claim barely raised a whimper amongst the players and TC and their keeper did not seem bothered at all. It was commented on behind me and I thought it to but the amount of falling over, excagerating contact or whining was incredible. One moment the likes of Mitro and AK were muscling their way past players and the next they are hitting the turf with lesser contact. Some of the drama was ignored and rightly so. If a referees assessor had any comment yesterday I think it ought to be a minus point for not penalising foul throws. Odoi will get pinged one of these days and it will probably cost us dearly knowing our luck.
Ream is often closest to the scorer because he sees the danger and reacts. That goal was three players' fault and none of them was Ream.
Cairney played well, Arter too but Cav was useless. He needs resting. Kebano disappointing too, kicking ball away when we needed to get on with things...he is just basically thick.
We need to get Reid closer to Mitro, play as a out and out number 10, AK must start, and Stefan needs a start. Against Brentford we need to score a few, the defence will be tested.
Quote from: clarkey on March 08, 2020, 11:22:13 AM
Ream is often closest to the scorer because he sees the danger and reacts. That goal was three players' fault and none of them was Ream.
I totally agree, I cannot believe people are blaming Ream for the goal. He gets up off the floor after making a challenge to then challenge Wells, whilst others stand there motionless and unaware he is marking two players. Amazing - why do we always have to find fault or blame someone - no one is perfect are they??
I still believe - COYW!
Quote from: clarkey on March 08, 2020, 11:22:13 AM
Ream is often closest to the scorer because he sees the danger and reacts. That goal was three players' fault and none of them was Ream.
Would love to know who those three players besides Ream are. The missed opportunities to clear it fell to Arter, Ream, Cairney and Ream (again) in that order.
Ream is the obvious one to blame. He gets bullied at set-pieces too often. But at least he is trying to defend , Mitrovic misses the first ball ,which Ream heads leaving his man ,and Christie, Hector and Cairney all stand still for the second ball which is put back into reams zone. he tries to get up but doesnt have time to get to Wells. Think Tc got pushed the back but he and the others are too passive standing on their heels. fingers will be pointed at lots of players for that goal and whilst his defending is poor at least Ream gave it all he had.
Ream defended the header and had to generate as much power to where he was facing because Arter's flicked header just bounced up. As soon as Ream heads the ball he's pushed down to his knees. The ball gets sent right back into his direction and he springs back up to try to defend another header. I'd say that's fairly difficult regardless of how athletic you are. Not only in trying to generate power into a header, but being knocked down hard in the process, then being forced to attempt it again.
Here's the video of their goal, just pay attention to Ream.
https://streamable.com/n6oba
AK did some great things but also gave the ball away a lot and had a mixed game totally normal for him and a reason he doesn't normally start. Kebano was poor and made little impact. Arter, Reid and esp Cairney were very good but Reid really has to score the header. What stood out for me was our crossing, it was generally terrible and a reason why Mitro had a quiet game.
Quote from: FulhamStu on March 08, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
AK did some great things but also gave the ball away a lot and had a mixed game totally normal for him and a reason he doesn't normally start. Kebano was poor and made little impact. Arter, Reid and esp Cairney were very good but Reid really has to score the header. What stood out for me was our crossing, it was generally terrible and a reason why Mitro had a quiet game.
AK was actually pretty solid overall. If you scrub through the match replay to when he has the ball, it's actually exceptional. His dribbling in tight spaces, his passing, was very positive.
If I were to criticize one area is that it'd be his movement off the ball in the box. However, this applies to everyone. Our movement off the ball in those threatening areas need to be much better, and I believe it's why we're not capitalizing as often.
Mitro misses the first header un challenged and then stops defending , leaving his zone completely. The ball just hits Arter in my book ,but Christie and Hector like TC are ball watching and far too passive.
Kamara did lots of good things yesterday. Parker is really getting the best out of him ,and you can see how he has been coached . The unfortunate thing about AK for me is he one of those Quick strong ,players who just doesnt understand what he is good at. Tries at times ,things which he should be leaving to other players. But he did have an excellent game and is a vitally important player for us in the run -in.
Quote from: OhConnah on March 07, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
I actually think that we played really well, but one sloppy moment in defense and inability to score up front obviously cost us the win. As far as transitional play and fluidity, I think we did very well.
Agree with this assessment. One sloppy moment in the box cost us dearly. The offense just can't seem to find the net. Liked the opening XI up front, including AK, who, I thought, had a very good game. Like to see more of same.
I like Bobby Decadova Reid ,but if he had taken his chances in front of goal this season we would have a good few more points on the board.
Quote from: colinwhite on March 08, 2020, 03:23:12 PM
I like Bobby Decadova Reid ,but if he had taken his chances in front of goal this season we would have a good few more points on the board.
I like BDR too, but he should be scoring much more. That missed free header v BC was terrible, not even close. Should have at least been on target. Way wide.
