Coronavirus (COVID-19): Latest Information & Advice
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Thursday 12 March 2020 19:00
Fulham Football Club is monitoring the changing situation regarding Coronavirus (COVID-19) and is regularly keeping abreast of advice and following Public Health England and NHS guidelines.
Based on current guidelines, and following today's government meeting and declaration of the UK moving to the 'delay' phase, fixtures are going ahead as planned and any change in this situation will be communicated to supporters.
In line with instructions dealing with the outbreak of Coronavirus, the Club encourages supporters to be familiar with Public Health England and NHS guidance, paying particular attention if you have recently travelled to the UK from countries with a higher risk of Coronavirus.
In addition, as announced today, we'd encourage vulnerable people at a higher risk to adhere to the advice and those showing flu-like symptoms to follow the self-isolation procedure as instructed.
This information can be obtained by visiting the following pages:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/
Public Health England Guidance is updated daily.
The Club has adopted its own measures to mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading the virus.
These measures include:
- encouraging good hand hygiene and stopping handshakes
- limiting staff and supporter interaction with players
- postponing player appearances
- requesting players refrain from signing autographs and posing for selfies
We are aware that some of these measures may inconvenience supporters and hope they understand our reasons for implementing these.
The health and safety of supporters, visitors, players and staff is a priority and we ask those visiting Craven Cottage to take care of their hygiene and wash hands regularly, in keeping with guidelines issued. Hand sanitisers no greater than 100ml in size are permitted inside the ground should supporters wish to bring them.
Other measures introduced include the implementation of many of the club's retail, ticketing and concessionary outlets being cashless.
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Proud to be British, measured, science-based, risk-based.
Closing down the economy for a quite low risk chance of serious illness ... is mad.
Ireland, Italy, US ... mad !
How do you post it so it shows on here without being redirected
Coronavirus (COVID-19): Latest Information & Advice
Thursday 12 March 2020 19:00
Fulham Football Club is monitoring the changing situation regarding Coronavirus (COVID-19) and is regularly keeping abreast of advice and following Public Health England and NHS guidelines.
Based on current guidelines, and following today's government meeting and declaration of the UK moving to the 'delay' phase, fixtures are going ahead as planned and any change in this situation will be communicated to supporters.
In line with instructions dealing with the outbreak of Coronavirus, the Club encourages supporters to be familiar with Public Health England and NHS guidance, paying particular attention if you have recently travelled to the UK from countries with a higher risk of Coronavirus.
In addition, as announced today, we'd encourage vulnerable people at a higher risk to adhere to the advice and those showing flu-like symptoms to follow the self-isolation procedure as instructed.
This information can be obtained by visiting the following pages:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/
Public Health England Guidance is updated daily.
The Club has adopted its own measures to mitigate the risk of contracting and spreading the virus.
These measures include:
- encouraging good hand hygiene and stopping handshakes
- limiting staff and supporter interaction with players
- postponing player appearances
- requesting players refrain from signing autographs and posing for selfies
We are aware that some of these measures may inconvenience supporters and hope they understand our reasons for implementing these.
The health and safety of supporters, visitors, players and staff is a priority and we ask those visiting Craven Cottage to take care of their hygiene and wash hands regularly, in keeping with guidelines issued. Hand sanitisers no greater than 100ml in size are permitted inside the ground should supporters wish to bring them.
Other measures introduced include the implementation of many of the club's retail, ticketing and concessionary outlets being cashless.
Quote from: Robbie on March 12, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Proud to be British, measured, science-based, risk-based.
Closing down the economy for a quite low risk chance of serious illness ... is mad.
Ireland, Italy, US ... mad !
1016 dead might justify the Italian response or are they just stupid foreigners?
I believe every country has to do what is best for the population of its country. That is not exactly the same for every country. Italy are two weeks ahead of the UK so we have the advantage of seeing what has worked there. We can tweet things even alter things as long as the people at the top are carrying about our best interests. That being the case our health is our responsibility and if we make the correct decisions we might avoid the infection altogether.
Quote from: Neil D on March 12, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Robbie on March 12, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Proud to be British, measured, science-based, risk-based.
Closing down the economy for a quite low risk chance of serious illness ... is mad.
Ireland, Italy, US ... mad !
1016 dead might justify the Italian response or are they just stupid foreigners?
The mortality rate is now 8% in Italy! My opinion which includes looking at the dramatic collaps of world stock markets is that the whole situation around the world is far worse than what we are being told! I hope I am wrong but this is begining to resemble 1 of those weird catastrophe films, the posting about proud to be British, ridiculous, hope none of the poster´s (Robbie´s) family become affected or worse!
It's the exponential increase in citizens identified as "positives" for the virus over the last two weeks that is such a cause for alarm, if one projects out over the next two months. Why Trump just banned all flights to/from continental Europe but expressly exempted Great Britain--that's a valid example of "madness". Or stupidity. Take your pick.
From today's New York Times:
President Unequal to the Moment
By Susan B. Glasser
March 12, 2020
Crises clarify. The bigger the crisis, the more the clarity, which is why the incompetence, dishonesty, and sheer callousness of the Trump Presidency have been clearer in recent days than ever before. As the coronavirus, as of Wednesday an official pandemic, spreads, the lives of Americans depend on the decisions made—or not made, as the case may be—by a President uniquely ill-suited to command in this type of public-health catastrophe. In that sense, the last few weeks may well have been the most clarifying of Donald Trump's Presidency.
In a prime-time address to the nation on Wednesday night, Trump declared war on the "foreign virus," blaming first China and then the European Union for spreading it, and insisting that it carried "very, very low risk" for Americans. The starkly militaristic and nationalistic tone of the address sounded scary and ignorant and utterly inadequate at a time when the country is being radically upended, with travel halting, workplaces and schools shuttering, and hospitals bracing for impact. The "foreign virus" will not be contained or shut out by a European travel ban, which the President announced, any more than it was by a China travel ban, which he had previously decreed. It is already here in states across the nation, and experts warn that it could infect millions and kill hundreds of thousands in a worst-case scenario. Trump spoke little about that, beyond a vague nudge to Congress to pass a payroll tax cut and a warning to "elderly Americans" to be "very, very careful" and avoid "nonessential travel." He failed to explain or even address the shocking lack of testing of Americans—a stark contrast to the response by other countries—and did not warn the public about or advise them on how to handle the difficult days ahead. Even the major measure that he announced, the European travel ban, required immediate clarification and correction from Administration officials who said it did not apply to trade, as Trump indicated in his remarks, or permanent residents. His former homeland-security adviser, Thomas Bossert, immediately panned the ban as a "poor use of time & energy."
In short, Trump was detached from the unfolding reality of a global crisis that is unlike any in memory. I've watched Presidential speeches for a few decades now. I cannot recall one that was less equal to the moment.
Trump spoke from the Oval Office exactly five weeks to the day since the end of his impeachment trial in the U.S. Senate, which left him with essentially unchecked power after the Republican-led Senate voted against his removal. So much has happened since the trial, which already seems as if it happened in another era, but there is a through-line: Trump himself, constantly conflating the national interest with his personal interest. As the coronavirus spread and the President initially ignored, downplayed, and lied about it—even dismissing coverage of the risks as a media-inflamed "hoax"—the costs of the Senate's impeachment decision have been cast in sharp relief. It will be a long time before we can reckon with the full damage done by an Administration whose incompetence, disinformation, and sheer bungling in the early stages of the crisis have been at once predictable and breathtaking.
The critics were quick to declare this to be Trump's Katrina, Trump's Chernobyl, even Trump's "Pandumbic," as "The Daily Show" named it. What is striking to me, however, is how much the last few weeks represented Trump merely being Trump. This wasn't a situation in which the folly of the system or the depth of mismanagement was suddenly revealed to the man at the top, but a case in which the man at the top was the folly.
It's almost unbelievable from the vantage point of the present moment, when we are in the midst of an officially designated global pandemic and a consequent economic crisis that threatens to plunge the United States and the rest of the planet into a recession, but consider how the President of the United States has spent his time since the coronavirus infection reached America in mid-January. He has:
• Publicly attacked the judge, prosecutors, and jury forewoman in the case of Roger Stone, Trump's longtime political associate who was convicted of lying to Congress and other offenses.
• Fired his Ambassador to the European Union and a National Security Council adviser on Ukraine, and purged others who figured in the impeachment investigation as he fulminated to aides about "snakes" in his Administration.
• Fired the acting director of National Intelligence, after an intelligence briefing to Congress about Russia's ongoing efforts to interfere in the 2020 election.
• Nominated as his new director of National Intelligence a highly partisan Republican congressman who was forced to withdraw from the exact same job last summer for inflating his résumé.
• Sued, through his campaign, the Times, CNN, and the Washington Post for publishing opinion articles that he did not like.
• Installed a new, twenty-nine-year-old personnel chief in the White House who had been previously fired and marched off the premises, and gave him a mandate to revamp the vetting process for Administration officials, with a new emphasis on loyalty.
As the novel coronavirus spread from China across Asia and Europe and to the United States, Trump used his Presidential Twitter feed, his four campaign rallies, his trip to India, and various public appearances in February to attack by name dozens of targets, including the Supreme Court Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor; "Crazy Nancy Pelosi" and her "impeachment hoax"; the "failed" and "sanctimonious" Senator Mitt Romney; the "puppet" Senator Joe Manchin; the "lightweight" Senator Doug Jones, a "Do Nothing Stiff"; Jay Powell, his appointee as chairman of the Federal Reserve; John Kelly, his former White House chief of staff, who was in "way over his head"; and Jeff Sessions, his former Attorney General.
The President, who has made name-calling such a signature of his boorish public persona that it is rarely even pointed out any more, also found time to demean the Democratic Presidential candidates running against him—"Mini Mike" Bloomberg came in for particular animus before he dropped out, belittled by the President as a "stumbling, bumbling," "weak and unsteady" "5'4" mass of dead energy." As criticism of his response to the virus escalated, Trump doubled down on his attack on journalists as "the enemy of the people" and targeted individual journalists by name, calling them "wacko" and talentless.
All of this he did while the epidemic spread. At the same time, Trump was claiming that the illness was being contained; that it dies in warmer weather; that it was not coming to the United States; that it was about to disappear; and that it was not very serious. Indeed, had you read only communications from the President about the spreading coronavirus, you would have been subjected to a barrage of lies and misinformation and self-serving bombast, information that even at the time it was being said was clearly and unequivocally untrue.
I reviewed all of the one thousand and forty-nine tweets and retweets that Trump sent in the five weeks between his impeachment acquittal and Wednesday afternoon, counting forty-eight that mentioned coronavirus. By far the largest number of these—twenty-one—bragged in some way about the Administration's response to a crisis that Trump claimed was being contained because of his fast, early action to shut the "boarders" with China. The next largest group of tweets attacked Democrats or the media or both for not giving him credit, or for seeking to create panic, rather than recognizing what a good job he has been doing. It was only on February 24th that the President sent his first tweet about the illness arriving in America. "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA," Trump tweeted. At the time, there were fifty-three confirmed cases in the country, a number that by March 1st had risen to more than a hundred. Just last week, Trump told Americans that coronavirus cases were "going very substantially down."
Amazingly, these statements continued throughout this week, as the World Health Organization finally declared the novel coronavirus to be pandemic and chided nations—read the United States—for "alarming levels of inaction." On Sunday, Trump claimed, "We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus." On Monday, before the stock market crashed and a congressman who had flown with him on Air Force One had to quarantine himself, the President began the day by blaming the media and Democrats for seeking "to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant." By the end of that catastrophic day, an unrepentant Trump appeared at a White House press conference and said, "We have been handling it very well" before promising a major, very, very big economic recovery proposal with no specifics. He concluded, "This blindsided the world, and I think we've handled it very, very well." On Tuesday, he returned to this theme after visiting the Capitol for a private lunch with applauding Republican senators. "It will go away," Trump said of the virus, on the day that more than a thousand cases were registered in the United States. "Just stay calm. It will go away."
We don't know whether this is Trump's long-delayed reckoning, the overdue moment of accountability for a man who has escaped such reckonings his entire life. The election is not for many months. The dizzying events of just the last few weeks—the remarkable upending of the Democratic Presidential race, the hubris and foolishness of the Administration's initial response to the virus—may be long forgotten by then.
That does not make this any less of a significant milestone in this most unbelievable of American Presidencies. On Wednesday, the respected government medical expert Anthony Fauci told Congress that the worst is yet to come. "Yes, yes it is," he said. Trump cannot tweet this virus away or lie it into oblivion. The virus does not care if he gives tax cuts to friendly oil barons or bails out his own hotels with federal dollars, possibilities that have been floated in recent days. Trump may believe that only Republicans matter to his political fortunes, but he has yet to find a doctor who can insulate his base, and his base only, from the ravages of this disease. Nor will he.
Trump has spent years devaluing and diminishing facts, experts, institutions, and science—the very things upon which we must rely in a crisis—and his default setting during the coronavirus outbreak has been to deny, delay, deflect, and diminish. His speech on Wednesday night was a disappointment but not a surprise. He told us what we already knew: America is in big trouble.
Quote from: Neil D on March 12, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Robbie on March 12, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Proud to be British, measured, science-based, risk-based.
Closing down the economy for a quite low risk chance of serious illness ... is mad.
Ireland, Italy, US ... mad !
1016 dead might justify the Italian response or are they just stupid foreigners?
Spot on
Quote from: Robbie on March 12, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Proud to be British, measured, science-based, risk-based.
Closing down the economy for a quite low risk chance of serious illness ... is mad.
Ireland, Italy, US ... mad !
Or are they putting money before people .The risk of dying from coronavirus when it peeks will be the same for all ages over 20 because you will need specialist care when the system is over run .
Arteta just confirmed now. All football will be postponed from tomorrow morning almost certainly.
Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:50:26 PM
The risk of dying from coronavirus when it peeks will be the same for all ages over 20 because you will need specialist care when the system is over run .
No it won't, because the risk of developing the complications that require specialist care will still be much higher in the elderly.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 12, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Arteta just confirmed now. All football will be postponed from tomorrow morning almost certainly.
Its not a football thing,he's just another person who has it,like Joe Bloggs who works in Gregg's in Bury St Edmunds.
Will they close all their shops?
Quote from: fulhamben on March 12, 2020, 07:08:41 PM
How do you post it so it shows on here without being redirected
Ben, thanks for the update from the club. Much appreciated.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 13, 2020, 01:03:35 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 12, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Arteta just confirmed now. All football will be postponed from tomorrow morning almost certainly.
Its not a football thing,he's just another person who has it,like Joe Bloggs who works in Gregg's in Bury St Edmunds.
Will they close all their shops?
They have in Italy.
This has come from Fulham's twitter
A recent update from the EFL.
"The EFL Board will meet this morning to make a decision on this weekend's fixtures and beyond."
We will update supporters as soon as any decision is made.
#FFC
Quote from: Statto on March 12, 2020, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:50:26 PM
The risk of dying from coronavirus when it peeks will be the same for all ages over 20 because you will need specialist care when the system is over run .
No it won't, because the risk of developing the complications that require specialist care will still be much higher in the elderly.
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
BREAKING: Premier League and EFL look set to announce both will be suspended until at least Apr 4th, when situation will be reviewed. Hearing EFL board agreed on this unanimously. Premier League meeting happening in 10 mins when clubs will be urged to follow suit
Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 12, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Arteta just confirmed now. All football will be postponed from tomorrow morning almost certainly.
Yep. Balls. It was obvious when that broke last night. I don't think there was any rationale for not taking this action.
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Statto on March 12, 2020, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:50:26 PM
The risk of dying from coronavirus when it peeks will be the same for all ages over 20 because you will need specialist care when the system is over run .
No it won't, because the risk of developing the complications that require specialist care will still be much higher in the elderly.
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
Median is mid-point, not mean.
So if one person with complications was aged 25 and 99 were aged 85, the median of those 100 people would be 55
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on March 13, 2020, 01:03:35 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 12, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Arteta just confirmed now. All football will be postponed from tomorrow morning almost certainly.
Its not a football thing,he's just another person who has it,like Joe Bloggs who works in Gregg's in Bury St Edmunds.
Will they close all their shops?
You were saying...?
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: Statto on March 12, 2020, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: Ged on March 12, 2020, 10:50:26 PM
The risk of dying from coronavirus when it peeks will be the same for all ages over 20 because you will need specialist care when the system is over run .
No it won't, because the risk of developing the complications that require specialist care will still be much higher in the elderly.
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
Median is mid-point, not mean.
So if one person with complications was aged 25 and 99 were aged 85, the median of those 100 people would be 55
The point i am making is that the 25 year old would die without specialist care so younger people will start dying when hospitals become full
According to the WHO Situation Report no. 7
• The median age of cases detected outside of China is 45 years, ranging from 2 to 74 years.
• 71% of cases were male.
• A study of 138 hospitalized patients with NCIP found that the median age was 56 years
The WHO, in addresses the question: "Does the new coronavirus affect older people, or are younger people also susceptible?" by answering that:
• People of all ages can be infected by the new coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
• Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable
• Patient who died in the Philippines was a 44-year old male
The patient who died in the Philippines what was the first death occurring outside of China, was a 44-year-old who was admitted after experiencing fever, cough, and sore throat, before developing severe pneumonia. In the last few days, "the patient was stable and showed signs of improvement, however, the condition of the patient deteriorated within his last 24 hours resulting in his demise." according to the Philippine Department of Health.
Serious Cases of 30 year old patients in France
According to French authorities, the conditions of the two earliest Paris cases had worsened and the patients were being treated in intensive care, according to French authorities. The patients have been described as a young couple aged 30 and 31 years old,
Ged, I'm not suggesting that no young person has caught coronavirus, developed complications or even died. I'm well aware of the small number of cases you mention. But the fact remains that the younger you are, the less likely you are (a) to develop even mild symptoms, (b) to develop severe symptoms/complications, and (c) to die. I'm not going to argue any more, partly because it's such a clear cut issue that there's not much to argue about, but also because it's frankly immaterial. Many thousands of people will die and it doesn't really make much difference what age they are. I just wanted to dispute your scaremongering about the mortality rate, which I don't think is helpful.
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
Median is mid-point, not mean.
So if one person with complications was aged 25 and 99 were aged 85, the median of those 100 people would be 55
No, median means the middle value. So half of the people are 54 or younger and the other half are 54 or older. The median in your example would be 85.
People use median for things like wages too, so that some bloke making 5 billion per year doesn't skew the results.
Quote from: Tabby on March 13, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
Median is mid-point, not mean.
So if one person with complications was aged 25 and 99 were aged 85, the median of those 100 people would be 55
No, median means the middle value. So half of the people are 54 or younger and the other half are 54 or older. The median in your example would be 85.
People use median for things like wages too, so that some bloke making 5 billion per year doesn't skew the results.
Thats right
so according to WHO the median age is 45 from cases aged 2-74 outside of China meaning that there are the same number of cases above age 45 as below that need Hospital treatment
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
Quote from: Tabby on March 13, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
Median is mid-point, not mean.
So if one person with complications was aged 25 and 99 were aged 85, the median of those 100 people would be 55
No, median means the middle value. So half of the people are 54 or younger and the other half are 54 or older. The median in your example would be 85.
People use median for things like wages too, so that some bloke making 5 billion per year doesn't skew the results.
Thats right
so according to WHO the median age is 45 from cases aged 2-74 outside of China meaning that there are the same number of cases above age 45 as below that need Hospital treatment
(1) 45? It was 54 a minute ago!
(2) what sort of study is this that doesn't include anyone over the age of 74? Care to share a link?
(3) Even if my GCSE maths has let me down and I've forgotten the meaning of "median", none of this changes what I said above. Younger = less chance of mild symptoms, less chance of severe symptoms and less chance of death. Says every single scientist.
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2020, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
Quote from: Tabby on March 13, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 13, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
Quote from: Ged on March 13, 2020, 10:42:14 AM
The Median age (average) of people with complications is 54 its just that older people and those with underlying conditions die even with specialist care without it younger people will start to die
Median is mid-point, not mean.
So if one person with complications was aged 25 and 99 were aged 85, the median of those 100 people would be 55
No, median means the middle value. So half of the people are 54 or younger and the other half are 54 or older. The median in your example would be 85.
People use median for things like wages too, so that some bloke making 5 billion per year doesn't skew the results.
Thats right
so according to WHO the median age is 45 from cases aged 2-74 outside of China meaning that there are the same number of cases above age 45 as below that need Hospital treatment
(1) 45? It was 54 a minute ago!
(2) what sort of study is this that doesn't include anyone over the age of 74? Care to share a link?
(3) Even if my GCSE maths has let me down and I've forgotten the meaning of "median", none of this changes what I said above. Younger = less chance of mild symptoms, less chance of severe symptoms and less chance of death. Says every single scientist.
1 I didn't realize we were arguing
2 this info is from WHO https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200127-sitrep-7-2019--ncov.pdf
3 Everybody is at risk but the older you are the higher the risk WHO are saying ` The risk of severe disease gradually increases with age starting from around 40 years. It's
important that adults in this age range protect themselves`https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200311-sitrep-51-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=1ba62e57_10
Quote from: davew on March 12, 2020, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: Neil D on March 12, 2020, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Robbie on March 12, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Proud to be British, measured, science-based, risk-based.
Closing down the economy for a quite low risk chance of serious illness ... is mad.
Ireland, Italy, US ... mad !
1016 dead might justify the Italian response or are they just stupid foreigners?
The mortality rate is now 8% in Italy! My opinion which includes looking at the dramatic collaps of world stock markets is that the whole situation around the world is far worse than what we are being told! I hope I am wrong but this is begining to resemble 1 of those weird catastrophe films, the posting about proud to be British, ridiculous, hope none of the poster´s (Robbie´s) family become affected or worse!
Two things Dave.
1. Italy has an unusually high age group in the areas most affected and that is thought to be the reason the mortality rate is quite so high.
2. In China the new infection rate is very low and the mortality rate is probably better estimated at around 2ish% last time I saw it.
The virus is bad but if handled properly will be got over.
What I do think is the story of the virus originating from a bat or food market is highly suspicious and unlikely... if I was a research journalist I would try and find out where it really started.
OK so that article, besides being two months old and only analysing 37 cases, says the median age of persons infected is 45. It doesn't say the median age of infected people developing complications is 45. So yes you can still get coronavirus if you're young, I didn't dispute that. But you're much less likely than an elderly person to get severe symptoms or complications. Which seems to be what you're saying in your point (3). So maybe we agree after all.
There is an awful lot of assumption making going on including at the highest levels (WHO) because vital pieces of the puzzle are still missing. Only by testing large numbers can vital parts of the puzzle be discovered and, already, rates of change in infection and mortality rates are appearing via more thorough testing.
My own view about the measures taken and being taken (any and all of them) is that they will prove or disprove their worth over time and so we must wait to see what happens via the statistics too. Most deaths are occurring via underlying and already existing health conditions but that is often the case with any form of influenza.
There are just so many questions being asked and not many sensible answers being received simply because the evidence is not clear as it stands. Panic seems the last thing anyone should do.
Yes it is all cause for concern, and we have to be vigilant and I fully understand why the Football League have cancelled the Fixtures, and the government have deployed the agenda they have.
But you have to stay calm, and the media love a bad news story.
But when I see the brain dead buying up toilet rolls like there was no tomorrow and walking around in suits of armour, I worry for the future of the human race.
Lots of chit chat on here as inevitably will be, and we all wish to protect our loved ones first and foremost as well as the remainder of the population.
The key is to become immune from this virus and buy time to create a vaccination to prevent it like we do with other ailments.
I was not actually there at the time, but I remember the plague of London whereupon people were dragging carts along the streets shouting " Bring out your dead " and loading corpses on the back of the carts, and painting red markings on all doors of dwellings known to be infected.
The last time I looked I do not think it has got to that stage yet.
Therefore, a balanced view is needed as with all challenges and threats to life and limb. Many people have a screaming fit when Coronation Street is cancelled because they are showing a football match, so I dread to think how this will effect them. Probably acting like Lemmings leap off cliffs in their droves. Their was always a likelihood something of this nature would occur again, and I shall take this episode as seriously as the next 73 old.
Nevertheless like all diseases that have not got a cure there are going to be fatalities, and let us realise that vulnerable people die of flu every year.
I can remember the foot and mouth disease not that long ago whereupon Trevor Christian, James O'Brien, Nicola Sturgeon, Kevin Maguire, Alistair Campbell, Diane Abbott and Tony Blair caught it among many others, but unfortunately for them only the foot has cleared up.
"I can remember the foot and mouth disease not that long ago whereupon Trevor Christian, James O'Brien, Nicola Sturgeon, Kevin Maguire, Alistair Campbell, Diane Abbott and Tony Blair caught it among many others, but unfortunately for them only the foot has cleared up."
As another 73 year old, spot on.
