How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ? Until we start getting things right off the pitch we will continue to struggle on the pitch,
How much have we wasted on Cavaleiro, Bryan and Reid ? Add on the wages and loan fee for Knockaert and you have to despair, total waste of money and that's without the likes of Anguissa and Serri (sp)
I've lost count of the times I've posted on here that we need a left back better than Targett and a right back better than Fredericks and yet all these years on were trying to get promoted with Odoi and Bryan, neither good enough to mount a serious challenge,
And finally our Manager, I look at Arsenal and I look at Fulham and the similarities are stark, both clubs have spent far more than most of their opponents and yet both clubs continue to underperform , Arsenal have got Mikel Arteta and Fulham have got Scott Parker, both clubs could do so much better than those two.
I agree. Tho it has got a tad better recently.
It's academic tho, when the coach doesn't know how to play players to their strengths.
Lol
I'm confused. Is your view that these players aren't good enough to take us up, or that the manager is doing poor and being 3rd with these players isn't good enough? I don't see logically how you can have it both ways.
Quote from: Statto on June 21, 2020, 11:05:01 AM
I'm confused. Is your view that these players aren't good enough to take us up, or that the manager is doing poor and being 3rd with these players isn't good enough? I don't see logically how you can have it both ways.
:plus one:
We all want automatic promotion and certainly its frustrating that we always lose to Brentford, and teams we should be beating like Barnsley. The style of football may not be quite what we want either but if we were sitting top of the league there would be few complaints on here. Had we had Hector at the beginning of the season we would be right up there with a shout. We are 3rd with a novice Manager in his 1st full season, that's good enough for me right now. The owners are putting in money for ground improvements and are commited so what's not to like right now.
Get behind the team and Manager and reassess at the end of the season.
COYW
I wanted to brush onto the point of recruitment really, Brentford manage to pluck gems using their stats based recruitment on a yearly basis.
Brentford signed Said Benrahma for £1.5m, he's scored 11 goals and has 8 assists in 2855 minutes as well as 78 chances created.
Ivan Cavaleiro has scored 6 goals with 7 assists in 2718 with 62 chances created. He cost £15m.
The numbers are comparable between Ollie Watkins and Aleksandar Mitrovic as well, and the numbers in terms of creativity favours Ollie Watkins whilst he's scored 1 fewer goal but had close to 40 fewer shots. Ollie Watkins cost less than £2m.
In the past few years they've plucked, seasoned and sold Jack O'Connell and John Egan (both now in the Premier League with Sheffield United), Romaine Sawyers (freebie from Walsall, sold on and now a key figure in midfield for WBA), doubled their money on Dan Bentley in three years before upgrading in David Raya (another £3m bargain - they'll profit there), Jota was signed for about £1m and sold to Birmingham 3 years later for about £7m, Chris Mepham came through the academy and was sold to Bournemouth for £12m, Ryan Woods was signed for £1m, 4 years of good service later they got £6.5m. Ezri Konsa was signed for £2.5m from Charlton and 12 months later was sold on for £12m and Neal Maupay was the peak of this process by being bought for £1.6m, scored 41 goals in two years and sold for £20m. This is what's paying for their stadium and during all of this they've remained competitive and pushing for play off places, and Maupay's sale allowed them to spend a bit more this summer and make their playoff ambitions far more aggressive.
Though despite all this, I don't think our recruitment was bad this past summer, but I do think our coaching is inferior this season. Slav would've dreamed for the front three options of this squad in every year all but maybe the final six months of the promotion campaign where Targett allowed him to push Sess forward and Mitro was an actual forward for the first time that season.
Wolves is slightly different given the influence Jorge Mendes has over there but I also think Nuno is a phenomenal coach.
I agree we should get behind our players and save our critical comments more until the end of the season or when promotion becomes impossible.
However that game yesterday did show up a contrast between Brentford's recruitment and our own.
Mitro and Hector were great signings but we have spent millions on other players in the last two seasons and I am finding it difficult to name a real success.
Quote from: Riversider on June 21, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ? Until we start getting things right off the pitch we will continue to struggle on the pitch,
How much have we wasted on Cavaleiro, Bryan and Reid ? Add on the wages and loan fee for Knockaert and you have to despair, total waste of money and that's without the likes of Anguissa and Serri (sp)
I've lost count of the times I've posted on here that we need a left back better than Targett and a right back better than Fredericks and yet all these years on were trying to get promoted with Odoi and Bryan, neither good enough to mount a serious challenge,
And finally our Manager, I look at Arsenal and I look at Fulham and the similarities are stark, both clubs have spent far more than most of their opponents and yet both clubs continue to underperform , Arsenal have got Mikel Arteta and Fulham have got Scott Parker, both clubs could do so much better than those two.
The answer might just lie with our Crack Recruitment Unit or is it Cracked, led by the owners son who are nowhere as good as the professionals from Brentford and Wolves, but by now everyone should know that anyway.
Could it be also that our players are on such great contracts that they are sitting fat and happy. Brentford's players are more hungry as they are playing to improve themselves in order to gain much better contracts normally at other clubs. Is Cairney just too comfortable and Cav a party animal ?
Quote from: Riversider on June 21, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ? Until we start getting things right off the pitch we will continue to struggle on the pitch,
How much have we wasted on Cavaleiro, Bryan and Reid ? Add on the wages and loan fee for Knockaert and you have to despair, total waste of money and that's without the likes of Anguissa and Serri (sp)
I've lost count of the times I've posted on here that we need a left back better than Targett and a right back better than Fredericks and yet all these years on were trying to get promoted with Odoi and Bryan, neither good enough to mount a serious challenge,
And finally our Manager, I look at Arsenal and I look at Fulham and the similarities are stark, both clubs have spent far more than most of their opponents and yet both clubs continue to underperform , Arsenal have got Mikel Arteta and Fulham have got Scott Parker, both clubs could do so much better than those two.
So who are these better left and right backs, where are they available, do they want to come here. ?
we have been through this lots of times as an introverted thing but when we look at brentford and wolves the main difference is they have top/experienced profesionals running things, we have a poor amateur that has bags of money and loads of enthusiasm but has not the first idea what it is all about.
his recent 30 minute interview on the official website was proof positive he is clueless. I do not mean to have a go at him for his love of the club and good intent, that is without question. but his arrogance in remaining in situ for a job he spectacularly unqualified is holding us back big time.
that is the difference
I think Mr Parker summed it up about Brentford when he said, (about a Brentford player, being brought in at short notice)... "They always replace a player with the same sort of player".... I take this as they play a certain way, and everyone knows there job..... A bit like Mr Roy, that's what he did with us
Distilled simply into three areas
1) We have a largely untested manager as our manager. Parker may be getting us in third with this squad and third in the championship is great in many ways, but, in all reality someone with more experience and who knows the league better would simply be expected to get better results. Almost all of our players have dominated this league with their respective teams before joining us. We have lost a lot of points against teams with smaller budgets and less able players. Part of being a manager is man management and players and the squad is underperforming, we should be walking this league. I know it's a very confident statement, but honestly we have lost a lot of points (points that would have us out in the lead) where we shouldn't have. 6 points of Barnsley for instance.
2) We have Tony Khan running things - he's dettached from the club didn't know much about Football before he joined and hasn't committed himself since to really getting the necessary understanding of both the club and the football management style of things.
3) Brentford's academy is unique and pretty special. They go for the top academy dropouts from the premier league who get let go and they give them a second chance and bring them into their first team as they got rid of their academy a few years ago. It's been a masterstroke from them and has shown what concerted effort and thought into developing the club properly.
Quote from: FPT on June 21, 2020, 12:59:15 PM
I wanted to brush onto the point of recruitment really, Brentford manage to pluck gems using their stats based recruitment on a yearly basis.
Brentford signed Said Benrahma for £1.5m, he's scored 11 goals and has 8 assists in 2855 minutes as well as 78 chances created.
Ivan Cavaleiro has scored 6 goals with 7 assists in 2718 with 62 chances created. He cost £15m.
The numbers are comparable between Ollie Watkins and Aleksandar Mitrovic as well, and the numbers in terms of creativity favours Ollie Watkins whilst he's scored 1 fewer goal but had close to 40 fewer shots. Ollie Watkins cost less than £2m.
In the past few years they've plucked, seasoned and sold Jack O'Connell and John Egan (both now in the Premier League with Sheffield United), Romaine Sawyers (freebie from Walsall, sold on and now a key figure in midfield for WBA), doubled their money on Dan Bentley in three years before upgrading in David Raya (another £3m bargain - they'll profit there), Jota was signed for about £1m and sold to Birmingham 3 years later for about £7m, Chris Mepham came through the academy and was sold to Bournemouth for £12m, Ryan Woods was signed for £1m, 4 years of good service later they got £6.5m. Ezri Konsa was signed for £2.5m from Charlton and 12 months later was sold on for £12m and Neal Maupay was the peak of this process by being bought for £1.6m, scored 41 goals in two years and sold for £20m. This is what's paying for their stadium and during all of this they've remained competitive and pushing for play off places, and Maupay's sale allowed them to spend a bit more this summer and make their playoff ambitions far more aggressive.
Though despite all this, I don't think our recruitment was bad this past summer, but I do think our coaching is inferior this season. Slav would've dreamed for the front three options of this squad in every year all but maybe the final six months of the promotion campaign where Targett allowed him to push Sess forward and Mitro was an actual forward for the first time that season.
Wolves is slightly different given the influence Jorge Mendes has over there but I also think Nuno is a phenomenal coach.
So So right what more can you add to that.
Quote from: ALG01 on June 21, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
we have been through this lots of times as an introverted thing but when we look at brentford and wolves the main difference is they have top/experienced profesionals running things, we have a poor amateur that has bags of money and loads of enthusiasm but has not the first idea what it is all about.
his recent 30 minute interview on the official website was proof positive he is clueless. I do not mean to have a go at him for his love of the club and good intent, that is without question. but his arrogance in remaining in situ for a job he spectacularly unqualified is holding us back big time.
that is the difference
Very well said ALG.
Quote from: General on June 22, 2020, 12:27:43 AM
Distilled simply into three areas
1) We have a largely untested manager as our manager. Parker may be getting us in third with this squad and third in the championship is great in many ways, but, in all reality someone with more experience and who knows the league better would simply be expected to get better results. Almost all of our players have dominated this league with their respective teams before joining us. We have lost a lot of points against teams with smaller budgets and less able players. Part of being a manager is man management and players and the squad is underperforming, we should be walking this league. I know it's a very confident statement, but honestly we have lost a lot of points (points that would have us out in the lead) where we shouldn't have. 6 points of Barnsley for instance.
2) We have Tony Khan running things - he's dettached from the club didn't know much about Football before he joined and hasn't committed himself since to really getting the necessary understanding of both the club and the football management style of things.
3) Brentford's academy is unique and pretty special. They go for the top academy dropouts from the premier league who get let go and they give them a second chance and bring them into their first team as they got rid of their academy a few years ago. It's been a masterstroke from them and has shown what concerted effort and thought into developing the club properly.
I agree and well said.
Quote from: ALG01 on June 21, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
we have been through this lots of times as an introverted thing but when we look at brentford and wolves the main difference is they have top/experienced profesionals running things, we have a poor amateur that has bags of money and loads of enthusiasm but has not the first idea what it is all about.
his recent 30 minute interview on the official website was proof positive he is clueless. I do not mean to have a go at him for his love of the club and good intent, that is without question. but his arrogance in remaining in situ for a job he spectacularly unqualified is holding us back big time.
that is the difference
Precisely
Quote from: Statto on June 21, 2020, 11:05:01 AM
I'm confused. Is your view that these players aren't good enough to take us up, or that the manager is doing poor and being 3rd with these players isn't good enough? I don't see logically how you can have it both ways.
Agree Statto, Also getting really fed up with the we have by far the best squad in the division argument at the same time as is recruitment is rubbish. We play well and its because we have such a strong squad,badly and its because parker cant get the best out of the players. Neither of these double sided catch 22 arguments do anything to convince me of the point being made.
We could blame Tony Khan for the not providing the squad to beat against Forest (H&A), WBA (H&A), Brentford (H&A), Leeds(H&A), Cardiff (A), Swansea (A), Millwall (A), Derby (A) and Bristol City (A). But, we also lost points in many other games including Barnsley (H&A), Charlton (H&A) and Luton (H) where Tony Khan provided a squad easily good enough to win, plus apart from Leeds (H) Parker hasn't won many games where we had a similar squad to the other team.
We have dropped 17 points to the bottom six teams in the Championship, in comparison Leeds have only dropped 3 points to the bottom six teams in the Championship, thats providing Leeds with a 14 point advantage to us. Fulham dropped fewer points to bottom seven teams in the Premier League in 18/19 than we dropped to the bottom six of the Championship 19/20. In conclusion, the squad could be better for the money spent but the squad is good enough to get 72 points in 38 games and that hasn't been achieved.
Maybe whoever we have looking for players are not looking in the right place, at players who can be improved and develop, we try and go for someone who is the finished article from a lower European league. Brentford seem to repeatedly buy develop and sell. We do develop our academy players but they either fail or are sold on to bigger clubs before they get a chance to play, Ryan Sessegnon a slight exception to that as he did give us a couple of good seasons play.
Quote from: General on June 22, 2020, 12:27:43 AM
Distilled simply into three areas
1) We have a largely untested manager as our manager. Parker may be getting us in third with this squad and third in the championship is great in many ways, but, in all reality someone with more experience and who knows the league better would simply be expected to get better results. Almost all of our players have dominated this league with their respective teams before joining us. We have lost a lot of points against teams with smaller budgets and less able players. Part of being a manager is man management and players and the squad is underperforming, we should be walking this league. I know it's a very confident statement, but honestly we have lost a lot of points (points that would have us out in the lead) where we shouldn't have. 6 points of Barnsley for instance.
2) We have Tony Khan running things - he's dettached from the club didn't know much about Football before he joined and hasn't committed himself since to really getting the necessary understanding of both the club and the football management style of things.
3) Brentford's academy is unique and pretty special. They go for the top academy dropouts from the premier league who get let go and they give them a second chance and bring them into their first team as they got rid of their academy a few years ago. It's been a masterstroke from them and has shown what concerted effort and thought into developing the club properly.
My only comment refers to point 2, why is it we football supporters are so arrogant to assume that TK after being here a good few years now, doesn't know anything about football, we have no idea how he goes about dealing with agents, other clubs current players etc, I for one reckons he knows a lot more about running a football club than most of us.
I doubt that very much, as the General said he is detached due to his lack of time and the fact that he does not have his finger on the pulse as he should have. He runs his mouth a lot as brash people do but he forgets that you cannot bullshite a bullshiter.
He is neither qualified or capable of holding down this position and certainly not at this level, he is here because he is his fathers son, anyone else would have been sacked. Nepotism still reigns which collides with a conflict of interest.
There are a lot of unqualified people in jobs they should not be in because of who they know as well having plenty of front and flannel.
He pops up now and again and says what fans want to hear. If he stated that he once gorged on Burgandy served in a Human Skull, would you believe him ? Of course not, and neither would I, but many would.
I note when there is controversy or we are in a dark place, he keeps under the radar, which tells you a lot more about his ability or lack of it to want to eat dirt like others have to.
If you pray for rain you have to deal with the mud as well.
The higher up the mountain the more treacherous the path.
Quote from: Riversider on June 21, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ?
Two words....Tony Khan.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 22, 2020, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Riversider on June 21, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ?
Two words....Tony Khan.
Have we got our recruitment wrong ? I don't necessarily think so. Not all signings work out for a myriad of reasons. It's the same at every club. Many posters on this site seem to think we have the best squad in the division. I think we have a decent squad but just because we have an expensively recruited squad it doesn't automatically translate into the best squad. The main reason that Brentford recruit in the way they do is because they don't have the financial muscle to do it any other way. The opposite can be said of Wolves and Fulham. We should consider ourself fortunate that we have an owner who is prepared to finance signings.
As for Tony Khan let's be serious he isn't recruiting players on his own. He heads up a team that do that for him.
Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
Quote from: Whitestone on June 22, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 22, 2020, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Riversider on June 21, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ?
Two words....Tony Khan.
Have we got our recruitment wrong ? I don't necessarily think so. Not all signings work out for a myriad of reasons. It's the same at every club. Many posters on this site seem to think we have the best squad in the division. I think we have a decent squad but just because we have an expensively recruited squad it doesn't automatically translate into the best squad. The main reason that Brentford recruit in the way they do is because they don't have the financial muscle to do it any other way. The opposite can be said of Wolves and Fulham. We should consider ourself fortunate that we have an owner who is prepared to finance signings.
As for Tony Khan let's be serious he isn't recruiting players on his own. He heads up a team that do that for him.
Therefore the buck stops with the owners son who seems to have some immunity from taking responsibility for his Cracked Recruitment Unit I would have thought, wouldn't you.
If his father thinks his son can keep half a dozen plates in the air at the same time, then he is in for a surprise when he sees all the broken crockery laying on the shag pile carpet.
It strikes me as palpable absurdity to keep him in a position he is unqualified to do just because of nepotism, which in turn is at Fulhams expense.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 22, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on June 22, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 22, 2020, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: Riversider on June 21, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
How can Wolves and Brentford continually get their recruitment right while Fulham continually get their recruitment so wrong ?
Two words....Tony Khan.
Have we got our recruitment wrong ? I don't necessarily think so. Not all signings work out for a myriad of reasons. It's the same at every club. Many posters on this site seem to think we have the best squad in the division. I think we have a decent squad but just because we have an expensively recruited squad it doesn't automatically translate into the best squad. The main reason that Brentford recruit in the way they do is because they don't have the financial muscle to do it any other way. The opposite can be said of Wolves and Fulham. We should consider ourself fortunate that we have an owner who is prepared to finance signings.
As for Tony Khan let's be serious he isn't recruiting players on his own. He heads up a team that do that for him.
Therefore the buck stops with the owners son who seems to have some immunity from taking responsibility for his Cracked Recruitment Unit I would have thought, wouldn't you.
If his father thinks his son can keep half a dozen plates in the air at the same time, then he is in for a surprise when he sees all the broken crockery laying on the shag pile carpet.
It strikes me as palpable absurdity to keep him in a position he is unqualified to do just because of nepotism, which in turn is at Fulhams expense.
I do agree with you. It does on the face of it seem a ridiculous appointment.
Quote from: Huxley on June 22, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
So your final point is basically "Would I rather be in Brentfords position right now rather than Fulhams ?"
Hell Yes !
We need Brentford to go up automatically, because we've got no chance in the play offs if they are in them, I hope they thrash WBA on Friday night.
With a rookie manager, some flaws in the team, I checked the table and we are clear THIRD. Not bad in a division where anybody can beat anybody....Barnsley...ouch.
Living in USA I dont get to see games but maybe a Mullery type leader on the pitch would help. (Based on comments on here). Mullery did wonders for a good team in the 70s.
Yes an Alan Mullery type leader on the field of play who leads by example and takes no prisoners is the kind of leader we are shy of. Mullery would run through a brick wall and come out fighting on the other side. Because that is what leaders do, and if he saw one of his team mates not pulling their weight he would send them away with a flee in their ear.
Cairney wouldn't know where to start because he never says a Dickie Bird, I dread to think what would happen if somebody said BOO to him.
There are matters and issues no matter how small are overlooked that a Sunday morning side would not want to miss, and the Captaincy is one of them.
Quote from: Riversider on June 22, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Huxley on June 22, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
So your final point is basically "Would I rather be in Brentfords position right now rather than Fulhams ?"
Hell Yes !
We need Brentford to go up automatically, because we've got no chance in the play offs if they are in them, I hope they thrash WBA on Friday night.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that we don't stand a chance against Brentford when just a few days ago we showed that we clearly do. Why the constant need for hyperbole?
Quote from: Sting of the North on June 22, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 22, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Huxley on June 22, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
So your final point is basically "Would I rather be in Brentfords position right now rather than Fulhams ?"
Hell Yes !
We need Brentford to go up automatically, because we've got no chance in the play offs if they are in them, I hope they thrash WBA on Friday night.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that we don't stand a chance against Brentford when just a few days ago we showed that we clearly do. Why the constant need for hyperbole?
Having watched the game again, soon as Reid missed his chance and energy levels started to dwindle, I still maintain Brentford looked comfortable for vast majority of game.
Then again so did we. they got lucky with 2 minutes to go ,if we had taken our chances it would have been a different story.
Regardless, of course we have quite a good chance of beating any team in the playoffs. If nothing else because we have many players who on their day create a bit of magic.
agreed
Quote from: Sting of the North on June 22, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 22, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Huxley on June 22, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
So your final point is basically "Would I rather be in Brentfords position right now rather than Fulhams ?"
Hell Yes !
We need Brentford to go up automatically, because we've got no chance in the play offs if they are in them, I hope they thrash WBA on Friday night.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that we don't stand a chance against Brentford when just a few days ago we showed that we clearly do. Why the constant need for hyperbole?
Allow me to educate you on Fulham history, Brentford are the ultimate bogey team, we've beaten them only once in the league at Craven Cottage since 1953, oh and they've just done the double of us without one of their best players,
Believe me, we want Brentford to go up automatically.
Quote from: Riversider on June 22, 2020, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on June 22, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 22, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: Huxley on June 22, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
So your final point is basically "Would I rather be in Brentfords position right now rather than Fulhams ?"
Hell Yes !
We need Brentford to go up automatically, because we've got no chance in the play offs if they are in them, I hope they thrash WBA on Friday night.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that we don't stand a chance against Brentford when just a few days ago we showed that we clearly do. Why the constant need for hyperbole?
Allow me to educate you on Fulham history, Brentford are the ultimate bogey team, we've beaten them only once in the league at Craven Cottage since 1953, oh and they've just done the double of us without one of their best players,
Believe me, we want Brentford to go up automatically.
Yes, that is all well known. Since I don't believe in bogey teams (coincidences are just that) it matters little to me personally, but understand that some people are more superstitious. As I said, we showed on Saturday that we have a good chance of beating them, regardless of the result on the day. That's enough for me for now. I am optimistic beforehand about our chances in a play off, but will of course be pessimistic on the day like I always am because of the nerves.
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Wolves getting top players for top money with the Mendes connection. Easy. Brentford, although they wouldn't turn down the premier league, are operating on a smaller budget than Fulham. They have no academy. The go for discards. Some work, some don't. If they don't it not big loss. Fulham however must get back into the Premier league due to high profile players, their associated costs and investment made. We are in between the wolves and brentford model. Fans are demanding top premier league players on a championship budget. We went into the French market and in hind sight got poor value. Would you rather be a club that patiently builds up resources and is a selling club, a club that is doing some dubious business with a super agent or a club that has ambition but doesn't quite get it right all the time.
So your final point is basically "Would I rather be in Brentfords position right now rather than Fulhams ?"
Hell Yes !
We need Brentford to go up automatically, because we've got no chance in the play offs if they are in them, I hope they thrash WBA on Friday night.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion that we don't stand a chance against Brentford when just a few days ago we showed that we clearly do. Why the constant need for hyperbole?
Allow me to educate you on Fulham history, Brentford are the ultimate bogey team, we've beaten them only once in the league at Craven Cottage since 1953, oh and they've just done the double of us without one of their best players,
Believe me, we want Brentford to go up automatically.
Believe me we don't. I think it'll be a very small minority if indeed anyone else who who want Brentford to go up at all. Let's get behind our team and target the top two. Forget about Brentford they're nothing special and if it's the play offs for both of us which is my guess let's ensure we're the ones smiling at the end of the season.
Quote from: colinwhite on June 22, 2020, 04:34:48 PM
Then again so did we. they got lucky with 2 minutes to go ,if we had taken our chances it would have been a different story.
In what way did they get lucky with two minutes to go? Did they not just take their chance that they created?
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Then again so did we. they got lucky with 2 minutes to go ,if we had taken our chances it would have been a different story.
In what way did they get lucky with two minutes to go? Did they not just take their chance that they created?
Perhaps a better way to put it would be to say they got lucky earlier in the match when we didn't take chances we created, eg when Reid hit the underside of the bar and when Mitro headed the ball too close to their keeper from just a few yards out
Well, their well created chance went in, while our well created chances hit the bar or were saved.
Not much to choose between the teams, but i thought we had the more clear cut chances during most of the game.
You also have to remember the impact of the break - as shown on all team and results since the return.
As it was, on another day this would have ended in a draw or a win for us.
Brentford did get lucky, though they are a decent team and matched us -we are a decent team too, though maybe not superior to everyone else in playing strength, as many seem to claim.
On to the next game at Leeds: still all to play for, and the pressure is on them at home, and in their position, and with their recent history, and after losing to Cardiff - will Leeds fall apart again?
I can't see us beating Brentford in the play offs. I see we had but four shots on target on Saturday, that would be the three headers from Mitro and the shot that hit the woodwork from Reid, if that is the best we can do in 90 minutes at the Cottage then I cannot see us scoring in another 90 minutes at the Cottage and certainly not at Griffin Park.
Start thinking of a 0-5 aggregate over two legs.
As for a match in the wide open spaces of Wembley , we would be looking dead on our heels after 90 minutes.
Sorry to be so full of pessimism but our lack of attacking threat is not helping confidence.
Four good chances - if only one had gone in, it could have made all the difference.
I don't think there is real evidence that the scenario you envisage will come true.
Brentford didn't have any more of an attacking threat than us - in fact, we looked most likely to score.
A lot of the game is psychological, and i would hope that the players have a more positive mindset than many fans on here, or we really are doo - med
Was Reid hitting the bar a sitter or a half chance? I thought from the angle etc he'd of done extremely well to finish from there. Not a lot else was that worthy of note in terms of creation.
But better chances than Brentford - Mitro did well to get his head on the end of, and one would have gone in on another day, and with a lesser keeper - until they scored with two minutes to go.
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But better chances than Brentford - Mitro did well to get his head on the end of, and one would have gone in on another day, and with a lesser keeper - until they scored with two minutes to go.
They essentially scored a tap in so that's not true.
