On this performance no I have never been in favour of Parker but have given him the benifit of doubt but I can't any longer I'm so bloody annoyed we are better than this
No. Pull trigger now. Nothing to lose.
No, but the longer he's here the worse it is mentally for the fans. But you can't sack him now. Let him see this through, then when it fails, sack him and let him become a really decent Futsol coach which he was destined to be.
We set up right, played better than Leeds for most of the game, so this is actually one of the games that I believe that Parker is less to blame. He played his cards well today, but the players should be ashamed of themselves for the plentiful mistakes.
Short answer: don't think he's the right man, but that has nothing to do with today.
Parker wont be sacked unless we dont even make the playoffs. Tony Khan loves him.
But yes he's awful and never should have got the job in the first place
Slow build up play and lack of attacking ideas.
We also lack creativity from set pieces.
Unfortunately this is all down to the coaching.
It's not just Parker. Too many players have let him down but he is no motivator and sticks with out of form guys for too long. Other teams have sussed his tactics and know how to beat them, and he has no plan b.
He's here until the season ends....then the play offs....we could still get promotion
Quote from: LittleErn on June 27, 2020, 04:54:43 PM
It's not just Parker. Too many players have let him down
the players he coaches and picks. It's all on his head
Quote from: Sting of the North on June 27, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
We set up right, played better than Leeds for most of the game, so this is actually one of the games that I believe that Parker is less to blame. He played his cards well today, but the players should be ashamed of themselves for the plentiful mistakes.
Short answer: don't think he's the right man, but that has nothing to do with today.
Very fair assessment.
Dont think he's the manager for us for sure but a lot of the players just don't look up for it....
Quote from: LittleErn on June 27, 2020, 04:54:43 PM
It's not just Parker. Too many players have let him down
I have to agree. Parker definitely should be getting better results, but he can only do so much. The players have to take some of the blame as well. They aren't converting their chances in front of goal.
Have to say what does it matter this season anyway. Changing him now would be to little to late. Play offs it is, if we had a change now would destabilise the team anyhow. He was the wrong appointment in the first place and the football has been dire under him on the whole.
If we go up though play offs (not sure i see that happening with him) or remain in championship he should be replaced in the summer.
Quote from: HobGoblin on June 27, 2020, 05:04:49 PM
Have to say what does it matter this season anyway. Changing him now would be to little to late. Play offs it is, if we had a change now would destabilise the team anyhow. He was the wrong appointment in the first place and the football has been dire under him on the whole.
If we go up though play offs (not sure i see that happening with him) or remain in championship he should be replaced in the summer.
we have zero to lose by sacking him and everything to gain.
I didn't think he should get the job but he did. He should go.
In both games we have not looked as fit as the opposition as the game has worn on. Possibly poor preparation coaching, possibly the players being unprofessional during lockdown.
Would we get a new Manager bounce if SP goes?
I think there is a combination of things going on here, poor tactics normally (not today though), players not doing it for real but look good on paper. But overall soooo inconsistent all season.
I would change SP at the end of the season when we fail to go up.
Nope.
He's been wrong for a long time.
Can't change him till season over tho.
We could lose to QPR if we sack Parker but we could also lose to QPR with Parker so, as above, we've got nothing to lose!
Just do it.
Don't think we will do that unless we collapse out if the playoffs all together. Which isn't that unrealistic given our fixtures.
Quote from: Skatzoffc on June 27, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
Nope.
He's been wrong for a long time.
Can't change him till season over tho.
Why not? Warnock came in at Boro and they won 0-2 away at Stoke today. I'd say at this point, our best chance of getting promoted this season is making the change immediately.
Bring Slavisa back now!
We will walk the rest of the season in results rather than walk the rest of the season literally as we attempt to do now!
Quote from: FFC1987 on June 27, 2020, 04:46:30 PM
No, but the longer he's here the worse it is mentally for the fans. But you can't sack him now. Let him see this through, then when it fails, sack him and let him become a really decent Futsol coach which he was destined to be.
:plus one:
This. Let him finish the season, but TK use the rest of this season to watch LOTS of other coaches and figure out what style of football we want to play next season. Pretty football isn't unique to Slav, and not unique to English football.
Even if we get promoted I do NOT want this style of football on the football squad I support.
And NO, I don't want Slav back. The second I heard he turned down an offered contract I didn't need him back.
I can think of 4 La Liga managers I'd bring in to COACH a style of football to these players. They currently looked poorly coached, but sometimes are good on the ball.
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side.
Admittedly, Parkerball is "my" style of football, but we've had two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result. That indicates a poor defence rather than poor management: you judge a manager by the performance of the team, and we've been pretty good, I feel.
Also, Slav's not coming back. Get over it.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on June 27, 2020, 05:14:55 PM
Quote from: Skatzoffc on June 27, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
Nope.
He's been wrong for a long time.
Can't change him till season over tho.
Why not? Warnock came in at Boro and they won 0-2 away at Stoke today. I'd say at this point, our best chance of getting promoted this season is making the change immediately.
For Who then?
Quote from: BestOfBrede on June 27, 2020, 05:15:45 PM
Bring Slavisa back now!
We will walk the rest of the season in results rather than walk the rest of the season literally as we attempt to do now!
Be realistic, he's not currently available and he wouldn't come back here for anything short of total autonomy over player purchases and sales.
Today we played like 11 players who hadn't even seen each other before, as opposed to a team that has been drilled together and knew their purpose.
I cannot name, with certainty, any player that actual gave above 50% effort today unfortunately.
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side
And a 100% Overlap with Parker and Symons in the "should never have been appointed" category. Although to be fair Symons has done great since.
The proverbial old chestnut of if not SP who?
Lets be fair Leeds tactics were hardly top draw stuff, lump it long and wide and let the wingers beat our defence for pace which seems to happen all too easily. Also as soon as we had the ball in our half Leeds shut us down quickly and you have the likes of Tim Ream getting hustled off the ball.
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side.
Admittedly, Parkerball is "my" style of football, but we've had two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result. That indicates a poor defence rather than poor management: you judge a manager by the performance of the team, and we've been pretty good, I feel.
Also, Slav's not coming back. Get over it.
Not a criticism, just an observation i seem to have missed where the 'two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result'? I think I may have missed them. We have not looked dangerous, motivated or prepared for the resumption of the football season. Parker may end up being the best manager in the world, but he is not ready for championship at the moment, Our players looked lost and unconnected often passing the ball speculatively to no one, giving away possession across the pitch. for me our midfield offered little protection for our defenders or no supply to mitro who was really our only out and out attack.
Unless this is Parker's master-plan to go through via the playoffs by lulling all the opposition into thinking we are utter pants, which I do not believe, I can't see he has a future at our club.
Just to add to what I said:
I think Scott is better than people give him credit for, largely because he is unfairly compared to the (hugely overrated) Jokanovic. Remember that Jokanovic finished 21st (compared to 12th when Kit was sacked), 6th, and 3rd in 2.5 seasons with the club, and Scott is currently 4th, with a squad that, in my view, is not as good as the one that finished 3rd.
I haven't seen a single media organisation even raise the question of Scott being sacked yet.
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side.
Admittedly, Parkerball is "my" style of football, but we've had two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result. That indicates a poor defence rather than poor management: you judge a manager by the performance of the team, and we've been pretty good, I feel.
Also, Slav's not coming back. Get over it.
and those who wanted kit gone were right wasn't they, we wasted another season on him.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on June 27, 2020, 05:08:44 PM
Would we get a new Manager bounce if SP goes?
I think there is a combination of things going on here, poor tactics normally (not today though), players not doing it for real but look good on paper. But overall soooo inconsistent all season.
I would change SP at the end of the season when we fail to go up.
I agree with that post 100%
Shame Warnock has got a job
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Just to add to what I said:
I think Scott is better than people give him credit for, largely because he is unfairly compared to the (hugely overrated) Jokanovic. Remember that Jokanovic finished 21st (compared to 12th when Kit was sacked), 6th, and 3rd in 2.5 seasons with the club, and Scott is currently 4th, with a squad that, in my view, is not as good as the one that finished 3rd.
I haven't seen a single media organisation even raise the question of Scott being sacked yet.
I think he's safe as the Khan's seem to like him.
On the issue of the squad, this is a far more expensively assembled squad than the one that finished third.
Therefore, would you say that the recruitment team have been poor?
Quote from: Penfold on June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Just to add to what I said:
I think Scott is better than people give him credit for, largely because he is unfairly compared to the (hugely overrated) Jokanovic. Remember that Jokanovic finished 21st (compared to 12th when Kit was sacked), 6th, and 3rd in 2.5 seasons with the club, and Scott is currently 4th, with a squad that, in my view, is not as good as the one that finished 3rd.
I haven't seen a single media organisation even raise the question of Scott being sacked yet.
I think he's safe as the Khan's seem to like him.
On the issue of the squad, this is a far more expensively assembled squad than the one that finished third.
Therefore, would you say that the recruitment team have been poor?
It's only vastly more expensive because of the fact it's not overreliant on loanees compared to the team that went to Wembley. In a few key positions, namely both full backs, we are weaker now than we were then, objectively, and on the left wing Sessegnon is better than Cavaleiro/BDR. When we are fully fit, we are arguably better at DM (Reed vs McDonald) but McDonald (31) is two years older now in any case, as is Johansen (29), and arguably past their best.
Ever since Shahid Khan took over we have overspent in the Premier League (even Martin Jol: Boateng, Parker, Stekelenburg, Mesca, Bent, Taarabt totally unnecessary signings) and made poor player decisions in the Championship (Sakari Matilla and Thanos Petsos anyone?). The player turnover in the last 5 years is ridiculous. The recruitment has been generally poor, whether it was Jol, Meulensteen, Magath, Mike Rigg, or whoever, frankly. Since Mike Rigg's appointment in 2014 only Claudio Ranieri appears to have had any say in players incoming and these were generally quite good (Babel, Nordvtiet, shame we didn't see more of Markovic). So I do think the DoF model is not right for the club.
I never did think he was right but that doesn't make me feel better knowing it!
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: Penfold on June 27, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Just to add to what I said:
I think Scott is better than people give him credit for, largely because he is unfairly compared to the (hugely overrated) Jokanovic. Remember that Jokanovic finished 21st (compared to 12th when Kit was sacked), 6th, and 3rd in 2.5 seasons with the club, and Scott is currently 4th, with a squad that, in my view, is not as good as the one that finished 3rd.
I haven't seen a single media organisation even raise the question of Scott being sacked yet.
I think he's safe as the Khan's seem to like him.
On the issue of the squad, this is a far more expensively assembled squad than the one that finished third.
Therefore, would you say that the recruitment team have been poor?
It's only vastly more expensive because of the fact it's not overreliant on loanees compared to the team that went to Wembley. In a few key positions, namely both full backs, we are weaker now than we were then, objectively, and on the left wing Sessegnon is better than Cavaleiro/BDR. When we are fully fit, we are arguably better at DM (Reed vs McDonald) but McDonald (31) is two years older now in any case, as is Johansen (29), and arguably past their best.
Ever since Shahid Khan took over we have overspent in the Premier League (even Martin Jol: Boateng, Parker, Stekelenburg, Mesca, Bent, Taarabt totally unnecessary signings) and made poor player decisions in the Championship (Sakari Matilla and Thanos Petsos anyone?). The player turnover in the last 5 years is ridiculous. The recruitment has been generally poor, whether it was Jol, Meulensteen, Magath, Mike Rigg, or whoever, frankly. Since Mike Rigg's appointment in 2014 only Claudio Ranieri appears to have had any say in players incoming and these were generally quite good (Babel, Nordvtiet, shame we didn't see more of Markovic). So I do think the DoF model is not right for the club.
All fair points.
Quote from: Allestree andy on June 27, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
On this performance no I have never been in favour of Parker but have given him the benifit of doubt but I can't any longer I'm so bloody annoyed we are better than this
Who is the right man ?
In fairness to Parker yesterday he did not have the material on the bench to exercise an effective Plan .B had he wanted to. We have wingers but are woefully short of experienced striker cover as back up for or replacement of Mitro when changes need to be made. There was only AK missing and yet it would have been impossible to put on any more forwards had he wanted to. Putting on three defenders as he did yesterday was a damage limitation exercise for the purpose of morale and to keep some fresh legs for Tuesday. After yesterday I use the word fresh loosely!
Having said that we have players being mentioned on this thread to start who are past their best and at best are now just useful squad players and I fear that next season we could be in a mid table rebuilding exercise hopefully under the guidance of a new more experienced manager. The Slavs and the Roys of this world are hard to come by.
Quote from: Southdowns White on June 27, 2020, 05:44:34 PM
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side.
Admittedly, Parkerball is "my" style of football, but we've had two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result. That indicates a poor defence rather than poor management: you judge a manager by the performance of the team, and we've been pretty good, I feel.
Also, Slav's not coming back. Get over it.
Not a criticism, just an observation i seem to have missed where the 'two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result'? I think I may have missed them. We have not looked dangerous, motivated or prepared for the resumption of the football season. Parker may end up being the best manager in the world, but he is not ready for championship at the moment, Our players looked lost and unconnected often passing the ball speculatively to no one, giving away possession across the pitch. for me our midfield offered little protection for our defenders or no supply to mitro who was really our only out and out attack.
Unless this is Parker's master-plan to go through via the playoffs by lulling all the opposition into thinking we are utter pants, which I do not believe, I can't see he has a future at our club.
To be fair we have been on the receiving end of some awful refereeing decisions with penalties not given, Bristol home and away to name but 2, even yesterday had that foul on Mitro been anywhere else on the pitch and the handball the ref would have given a free kick. Also we wiped the floor with West Brom at home only to be denied by some fantastic goalkeeping and how did we lose to Reading. But if you don't score the goals you don't win, so therein lies the problem in my mind.
I don't agree that the players didn't put the effort in - we just weren't good enough, despite outplaying Leeds for most of the first half, but filing to take our chances, and not being awarded a clear pen.
But our defending undid us.
Our players aren't as good as people say, but i don't think there's a lack of effort.
Agree that we just don't have the players to come off the bench and change games, especially with Kamara out - for several weeks GJ said he'd heard.
Quote from: fulhamben on June 27, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side.
Admittedly, Parkerball is "my" style of football, but we've had two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result. That indicates a poor defence rather than poor management: you judge a manager by the performance of the team, and we've been pretty good, I feel.
Also, Slav's not coming back. Get over it.
and those who wanted kit gone were right wasn't they, we wasted another season on him.
Yep
Quote from: Statto on June 28, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 27, 2020, 05:52:38 PM
Quote from: Brawn on June 27, 2020, 05:21:11 PM
I would hazard a guess there is a 100% overlap between people who want Parker gone now and people who wanted Kit sacked after 2014/15 for finishing 17th with Magath's mess of a side.
Admittedly, Parkerball is "my" style of football, but we've had two games where we've done very well and the scoreline hasn't reflected the result. That indicates a poor defence rather than poor management: you judge a manager by the performance of the team, and we've been pretty good, I feel.
Also, Slav's not coming back. Get over it.
and those who wanted kit gone were right wasn't they, we wasted another season on him.
Yep
im going to say that there is a correlation between those who didnt want to sack lawrie sanchez and those who want to keep parker.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on June 28, 2020, 09:36:39 AM
In fairness to Parker yesterday he did not have the material on the bench to exercise an effective Plan .B had he wanted to. We have wingers but are woefully short of experienced striker cover as back up for or replacement of Mitro when changes need to be made. There was only AK missing and yet it would have been impossible to put on any more forwards had he wanted to. Putting on three defenders as he did yesterday was a damage limitation exercise for the purpose of morale and to keep some fresh legs for Tuesday. After yesterday I use the word fresh loosely!
Having said that we have players being mentioned on this thread to start who are past their best and at best are now just useful squad players and I fear that next season we could be in a mid table rebuilding exercise hopefully under the guidance of a new more experienced manager. The Slavs and the Roys of this world are hard to come by.
I felt that MLM for Joe Bryan and Johansen for Arter were the "you've been utter shite today and you're coming off" type of substitution. Well deserved too.
Quote from: Brawn on June 28, 2020, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on June 28, 2020, 09:36:39 AM
In fairness to Parker yesterday he did not have the material on the bench to exercise an effective Plan .B had he wanted to. We have wingers but are woefully short of experienced striker cover as back up for or replacement of Mitro when changes need to be made. There was only AK missing and yet it would have been impossible to put on any more forwards had he wanted to. Putting on three defenders as he did yesterday was a damage limitation exercise for the purpose of morale and to keep some fresh legs for Tuesday. After yesterday I use the word fresh loosely!
Having said that we have players being mentioned on this thread to start who are past their best and at best are now just useful squad players and I fear that next season we could be in a mid table rebuilding exercise hopefully under the guidance of a new more experienced manager. The Slavs and the Roys of this world are hard to come by.
I felt that MLM for Joe Bryan and Johansen for Arter were the "you've been utter shite today and you're coming off" type of substitution. Well deserved too.
I think it was Parker throwing the towel and looking at the QPR game thinking "let's keep Bryan and Arter fresh for Wednesday". I doubt we will see MLM or Johansen starting against QPR.
Quote from: Allestree andy on June 27, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
On this performance no I have never been in favour of Parker but have given him the benifit of doubt but I can't any longer I'm so bloody annoyed we are better than this
To me, good coaches/managers have teams which improve as the season progresses. I struggle to see where this team has in any aspect.
The other part is this team is so painfully methodical in its play, it feels like a race car driving around with the parking break on. I think that can have a draining effect on the players as well which contributes to the lackluster performances.
Replacing the mgr would be a no lose proposition to me. It would take a major flop to miss the playoffs over the next 7 games, but a new manager might be the sort of boost needed to help this team find its best form.
We are in the play off places and have 7 matches to play . Nothing to lose? Well we do actually. Parker will see out the season and be judged on where we end up.What we think is neither here nor there.
Quote from: Asotosyios on June 28, 2020, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Brawn on June 28, 2020, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on June 28, 2020, 09:36:39 AM
In fairness to Parker yesterday he did not have the material on the bench to exercise an effective Plan .B had he wanted to. We have wingers but are woefully short of experienced striker cover as back up for or replacement of Mitro when changes need to be made. There was only AK missing and yet it would have been impossible to put on any more forwards had he wanted to. Putting on three defenders as he did yesterday was a damage limitation exercise for the purpose of morale and to keep some fresh legs for Tuesday. After yesterday I use the word fresh loosely!
Having said that we have players being mentioned on this thread to start who are past their best and at best are now just useful squad players and I fear that next season we could be in a mid table rebuilding exercise hopefully under the guidance of a new more experienced manager. The Slavs and the Roys of this world are hard to come by.
I felt that MLM for Joe Bryan and Johansen for Arter were the "you've been utter shite today and you're coming off" type of substitution. Well deserved too.
I think it was Parker throwing the towel and looking at the QPR game thinking "let's keep Bryan and Arter fresh for Wednesday". I doubt we will see MLM or Johansen starting against QPR.
I'll tell you "I'd be pissed" if I was MLM and saw this kind of a mess at the left side of the defense and wasn't given a chance, when (apart from the League Cup) my last bad performance was against Manchester United before Parker was coach, while existing players get multiple chances and for Parker I kept three clean sheets against teams that would score half dozen goals against this defense.
