Im not sure what is more painful Fulhams performance or Jamie commentary. Love Jim but his sidekick is agony to listen to. Its like he is planted by Tony Khan/Scott Parker to cover up the inadequacies of our performances.
He talks utter garbage and am now being forced to watch without commentary.
After suffering his naive to ridiculous comments through the leeds and qpr games he now is saluting some aspects on Fulhams first half performance against Birmingham.
Its half time and we have not had a shot yet !!!!
Sack Parker and let him take this Jamie character with him .....
Yep, he is very irritating and so is Jamie 8-)
I will never complain about GJ & Jamie. They are 100% Fulham. Better by far than the commentators & pundits on the BBC & Sky.
Not sure what the issue is here. The guy is on the payroll of FFC so why would anyone expect him to be anything other than corporate.
Quote from: jayffc on July 04, 2020, 05:24:14 PM
I'll never forget todays game, when following one of the most hapless displays by a fulham winger in years, Cav was subbed off (rightly and not soon enough!) and he said...." I though Cav was having quite a good game"..... :doh:What qualification does this guy have to comment on football, what on earth were you watching pal?
Jamie is a BBC London Sport presenter and commentator so that makes him pretty qualified I would say.
I've had the pleasure of dinner with Jamie and GJ. They are both top guys and Fulham through and through.
Jamie's style may not be palatable to you but don't tell me Cav's first half performance (I didn't see the 2nd half - admittedly) was "one of the most hapless displays by a Fulham winger in years". He was one of our better performers in the first half amongst many dire performances, IMHO. Linked up well early on with TC down the left. Put in a very good centre on the run with his left foot and then played an intelligent header across the six yard box (instead of being greedy and going for goal from an impossible angle) that BDR should have scored from if he wasn't "caught on his haunches" to use the words of Jamie who was spot on with that assessment.
Sorry if that seemed over the line, I appreciate it didn't come across nicely... I hadn't spoken much about it before and I've grown increasingly tired and frustrated with his, frankly, inane commentary - especially when frustrations are already bubbled up with the team. And if you understand human interaction much, or have studied it at all, you can tell Jim also doesn't know how to respond to much of the random nonsense he comes out with..there's alot of humoring him that goes on and I just would rather go back to the days of Jim on his own to cut all that out.
Again, he's harmless, and I'm sure he has a good heart, but it's fairly clear from the hours of recording and footage of him that he's very socially awkward and doesn't pick up on social cues well. therefore I find him a very odd appointment as someone to front up interviews.I'm not @'ing him or the club calling for his job ... but am voicing my long felt annoyance here.
I feel for Jim every week having to rephrase the same forced response... "yep, we got it, there are fulham fans all over the globe".
Anyway, again, sorry if that was expressed too harshly.
Quote from: Hatch007 on July 04, 2020, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 04, 2020, 05:24:14 PM
I'll never forget todays game, when following one of the most hapless displays by a fulham winger in years, Cav was subbed off (rightly and not soon enough!) and he said...." I though Cav was having quite a good game"..... :doh:What qualification does this guy have to comment on football, what on earth were you watching
Jamie is a BBC London Sport presenter and commentator so that makes him pretty qualified I would say.
I've had the pleasure of dinner with Jamie and GJ. They are both top guys and Fulham through and through.
Jamie's style may not be palatable to you but don't tell me Cav's first half performance (I didn't see the 2nd half - admittedly) was "one of the most hapless displays by a Fulham winger in years". He was one of our better performers in the first half amongst many dire performances, IMHO. Linked up well early on with TC down the left. Put in a very good centre on the run with his left foot and then played an intelligent header across the six yard box (instead of being greedy and going for goal from an impossible angle) that BDR should have scored from if he wasn't "caught on his haunches" to use the words of Jamie who was spot on with that assessment.
Fair dos, I was certainly being verbose with my description of his performance, but it was largely feckless imo, many, many instances of running into nowhere and losing the ball with the occasional, half glimpse of something OK....That header for instance, I assumed he was going to shoot, because I felt that was the right thing to do, it was actually a good oppurtnunity to do so, but saw it as making the wrong choice rather than being unselfish and giving up an opportunity to score instead opting to provide an assist that BDR...in which case, you can blame BDR for messing up by not being further forward but Cav clearly saw BDR's position at that point and put the ball too far ahead of him. (In my opinion, BDR was more likely assuming, as I was, that Cav was going to shoot, as that was probably the best thing to do!)
Anyway...again, Love Jim, Think Jamie is no doubt a nice enough human, and for sure big on fulham. But just my opinion, how he's carved any sort of career out involving interviewing or presenting is beyond me. I may have been a little over forceful in that, but it's how I feel.
I think they do ok, and so what if they try to see the positive in our play and players?
With about 10 minutes to go, they said they could still see us getting a win, whereas I didn't rate our chances of scoring. So hats off to them.
I think it's ok to be critical of our team, individual players, manager, crowd, ground, commentators etc etc but we should always use measured and polite terms.
Btw - I would hardly describe Cav's performance as hapless .. Jees .. did you ever see Eddie Johnson play?
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on July 04, 2020, 06:06:32 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 04, 2020, 05:24:14 PM
I'll never forget todays game, when following one of the most hapless displays by a fulham winger in years, Cav was subbed off (rightly and not soon enough!) and he said...." I though Cav was having quite a good game"..... :doh:What qualification does this guy have to comment on football, what on earth were you watching pal?... socially awkward, clueless oddball and borderline autistic with little understanding of football...yeah let's give him the job. Listen, he's harmless, but my god is he an awful pundit.
Well you're welcome to that belief. As I am to disagree. Once again, happy to see that it was put a little harsher than I'd have liked on reflection. But, having studied the condition, and having lived closely observing others with it, there's plenty in the countless hours of footage of him and his interactions that leave me wondering if there's a touch of it there. Which, when you're main job is talking with others on camera/audio, just seems an odd choice personally. As stated above that's not to say he's not a wonderful human being, or worthy as a person, just makes him an odd choice for a commentator. Again, you are welcome to disagree and your own opinion
Both Jim and Jamie work well together from my experience. Jim has that passion we have all come to love over the decades he has been commentating for FFC, and Jamie provides both that little expertise and acts as a foil to Jims overt passion. We all think commentary is easy, I promise you, it's not so much, especially at the speed footie is played and the match changes.
As for his qualifications, yes, he has plenty of testimonials in sport, and I doubt you would call him socially awkward if you actually knew anything of him.
Bottom line is mate, they are both one of our own, they are there to be as upbeat as the players allow them to be, as they are the voice of Fulham FC to fans around the world, and however much more of a fan one might consider themselves than either of them, they do a job much better than most any of us on here. Disagree by all means, but don't just dis, please.
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 04, 2020, 06:13:43 PM
I think they do ok, and so what if they try to see the positive in our play and players?
With about 10 minutes to go, they said they could still see us getting a win, whereas I didn't rate our chances of scoring. So hats off to them.
I think it's ok to be critical of our team, individual players, manager, crowd, ground, commentators etc etc but we should always use measured and polite terms.
Btw - I would hardly describe Cav's performance as hapless .. Jees .. did you ever see Eddie Johnson play?
Oh lord don't remind me of Eddie!! true, I think some of my frustration with higher expectations for Cav left me more verbosely critical than I could have put it, when really I was intending to just flippantly describe what I felt was a deeply ineffectual performance from him. Wasn't literally the worst (of course) just another in a string of frustratingly poor showings.
Not just this topic, but why do we end up with painful discussions that take such a negative turn and arguement. I get difference of opinion and even heated debate but why not with courtesy and respect. We are all Fulham at the end of the day and if in a pub talking face to face would be more respectful.
Fof is a great.
My two pennies anyway.
I am pleased to be able to watch these games on FFCtv and am quite happy with the commentators, who have a Fulham bias and clearly feel for Fulham in the same way as I do. What would we doing without them right now.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 04, 2020, 06:18:02 PM
Both Jim and Jamie work well together from my experience. Jim has that passion we have all come to love over the decades he has been commentating for FFC, and Jamie provides both that little expertise and acts as a foil to Jims overt passion. We all think commentary is easy, I promise you, it's not so much, especially at the speed footie is played and the match changes.
As for his qualifications, yes, he has plenty of testimonials in sport, and I doubt you would call him socially awkward if you actually knew anything of him.
Bottom line is mate, they are both one of our own, they are there to be as upbeat as the players allow them to be, as they are the voice of Fulham FC to fans around the world, and however much more of a fan one might consider themselves than either of them, they do a job much better than most any of us on here. Disagree by all means, but don't just dis, please.
Fair cop,
For what it's worth I'd never purport to be "more of fan" than anyone for what it's worth, and certainly no downplaying of his love for the club my end, But that's about the bare minimum I'd ask of a club commentators is all. I find myself very frequently disagreeing with his assessments or reading of the game as do many, as indeed it appears does Jim with telling silence as he scrambles to think of how to respond.
He seems a sweet-hearted bloke (might partly explain his incessant reading of fan messages during a match asking for a hello) Again, nada against him day to day, just my observation that there is likely out there, many people more capable. Not saying any old person can do it, but know for sure there are many out there who could.
Quote from: filham on July 04, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
I am pleased to be able to watch these games on FFCtv and am quite happy with the commentators, who have a Fulham bias and clearly feel for Fulham in the same way as I do. What would we doing without them right now.
Probably having a lower risk of heart failure!
But absolutely, grateful for footy, and grateful for FFCTV... just would hugely prefer Jim on his own as we used to have, or him paired with someone more suited for the job is my opinion. Again, happy for others to feel differently
I'm not a fan of anyone co-commentating with Gentlemen Jim, I know it was a while ago but I far preferred him on his own, I wasn't keen on Sean Davies as a co-commentator either, nothing against either of them I'd just be happier with Jim on his own.
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on July 04, 2020, 06:25:53 PM
Not just this topic, but why do we end up with painful discussions that take such a negative turn and arguement. I get difference of opinion and even heated debate but why not with courtesy and respect. We are all Fulham at the end of the day and if in a pub talking face to face would be more respectful.
Fof is a great.
My two pennies anyway.
Totally hear you, for what it's worth I'd absolutely have made my original comment to a mate in a pub, and then he'd probably know me, and know how to take it from me and know from my intonation that I'm being over the top for effect, rather than literal, and spiral into deep offence at what was said...or maybe he would, and I'd explain myself and we'd get on with it.... On messageboards, interactions don't tend to land in the same way and then people jump in and all over each other.
The comment above about being a keyboard warrior for instance? Of course, I wouldn't walk up to Jamie and tell him he's potentially got a social condition....why the hell would I, that would be a really odd and cruel thing to do to someone randomly in the street. Doesn't change the fact that should I find myself in a situation where the club asked me my honest opinion in a discussion on his abilities that I wouldn't say exactly how I felt about it.
What I did do was voice my agreeance on a football thread that I think he's a terrible choice for a commentator. It's got naff all to being brave enough or hiding behind a keyboard...we're all talking from a keyboard here.
Quote from: whitejc on July 04, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
I'm not a fan of anyone co-commentating with Gentlemen Jim, I know it was a while ago but I far preferred him on his own, I wasn't keen on Sean Davies as a co-commentator either, nothing against either of them I'd just be happier with Jim on his own.
tend to agree, but there were a few occasions where Jim gets caught up in the moment and just stops talking. Which Jamie now jumps in and explains what happend
Quote from: filham on July 04, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
I am pleased to be able to watch these games on FFCtv and am quite happy with the commentators, who have a Fulham bias and clearly feel for Fulham in the same way as I do. What would we doing without them right now.
Bias? BIAS? What Bias. I find Jim's summing up of how opposition players are dirty, time-wasting, cheating, acting and fashion-challenged persons quite accurate! As for failing to recall the name of that shower down the road whenever we have the displeasure of playing them, that's him just being absent-minded :005:
Quote from: fulhamben on July 04, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Quote from: whitejc on July 04, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
I'm not a fan of anyone co-commentating with Gentlemen Jim, I know it was a while ago but I far preferred him on his own, I wasn't keen on Sean Davies as a co-commentator either, nothing against either of them I'd just be happier with Jim on his own.
tend to agree, but there were a few occasions where Jim gets caught up in the moment and just stops talking. Which Jamie now jumps in and explains what happens
HA! Now this is true in fairness! Though as annoying as it can be, it's part of Jim's charm! "I love fulham"...classic
Quote from: Logicalman on July 04, 2020, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: filham on July 04, 2020, 06:27:29 PM
I am pleased to be able to watch these games on FFCtv and am quite happy with the commentators, who have a Fulham bias and clearly feel for Fulham in the same way as I do. What would we doing without them right now.
Bias? BIAS? What Bias. I find Jim's summing up of how opposition players are dirty, time-wasting, cheating, acting and fashion-challenged persons quite accurate! As for failing to recall the name of that shower down the road whenever we have the displeasure of playing them, that's him just being absent-minded :005:
to be fair he's started calling them Wahlem Green, but that might be a euphemism :dft011:
To be honest I must admit that GJ is somewhat biased (but who cares :003:) whereas Jamie's comments are much more neutral and relevant to the situation in hand.......they work together well as a team.
Quote from: howitis on July 04, 2020, 04:07:30 PM
Im not sure what is more painful Fulhams performance or Jamie commentary. Love Jim but his sidekick is agony to listen to. Its like he is planted by Tony Khan/Scott Parker to cover up the inadequacies of our performances.
He talks utter garbage and am now being forced to watch without commentary.
After suffering his naive to ridiculous comments through the leeds and qpr games he now is saluting some aspects on Fulhams first half performance against Birmingham.
Its half time and we have not had a shot yet !!!!
Sack Parker and let him take this Jamie character with him .....
Good posting, totall agree!
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 04, 2020, 06:13:43 PM
With about 10 minutes to go, they said they could still see us getting a win, whereas I didn't rate our chances of scoring.
They say that in most matches we play, even if we are 2 down, can´t criticise their optimism or enthusiasm, true Fulham fans would be saying we might as well go home after conceding first.
When Jamie interviews Jim, he hardly blinks.
At the end of the game Jamie literally said the first half was poor. What more do you want?
Sheesh...people have definitely been stuck inside too long.
Next we'll have a Gentleman Jim complaint.
I don't mind him, the perfect nerd
The ultimate Fulham fan 049:gif
Where's that Stanley Unwin fellow when you need him.
They work well together. I love it when Jim says " That was never a foul, get up" Jamie then says " In fairness Jim he did have both of his legs taken out." Jim " Yes, just seen a replay"
I edit Fulham highlight videos of seasons ranging from the 80's to present. There have been some poor commentary that is best forgotten, but also some classics. The partnership of GJ & Jamie is second to none.
Although it doesn't warrant criticism there was one moment during the commentary I found somewhat bewildering. Jamie made a shout-out to a fan from Cologne who'd claimed to represent the "Cologne Fulham Supporters Club", with the jibe that it had a population of "one". Anyone who travels to a lot of away games and / or drinks in the Golden Lion will almost certainly know of German Freddy, who is also from Cologne and has travelled to most games home & away for decades.
Wow
Some pretty petty comments
GJ and Jamie are total fans
FFC TV isn't supposed to be a neutral venue to watch Fulham
Get over it
Enjoy their pro Fulham passion
They suffer with us when we lose
They celebrate with us when we win
I far prefer them to the anti Fulham network commentary on Sky or Bein
We are often are dismissed as a pointless west London distraction there to make up the numbers
Jamie and GJ are us... and I love them for it.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
They are biased but then so are every other club tv commentating teams that I have heard. It is only natural.
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on July 04, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
Although it doesn't warrant criticism there was one moment during the commentary I found somewhat bewildering. Jamie made a shout-out to a fan from Cologne who'd claimed to represent the "Cologne Fulham Supporters Club", with the jibe that it had a population of "one". Anyone who travels to a lot of away games and / or drinks in the Golden Lion will almost certainly know of German Freddy, who is also from Cologne and has travelled to most games home & away for decades.
From the way it was said, I believe the person who texted it said that it was a population of one, being tongue-in-cheek, and he just reread it as typed.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 04, 2020, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on July 04, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
Although it doesn't warrant criticism there was one moment during the commentary I found somewhat bewildering. Jamie made a shout-out to a fan from Cologne who'd claimed to represent the "Cologne Fulham Supporters Club", with the jibe that it had a population of "one". Anyone who travels to a lot of away games and / or drinks in the Golden Lion will almost certainly know of German Freddy, who is also from Cologne and has travelled to most games home & away for decades.
From the way it was said, I believe the person who texted it said that it was a population of one, being tongue-in-cheek, and he just reread it as typed.
That is correct.
Give them, and the club, a break.
GJ and Jamie do a great job, and are both well informed not just about Fulham but football and the game generally, and obviously have a passion for the club.
I think Jamie complements Jim well.
We are so lucky to have this commentary imo, but obviously no-one is forced to listen to it, especially if you're able to view the action, a we so often can now.
Imagine back in the dark days, when you just relied on radio score updates, if you couldn't attend the game in person.
Some people just love moaning.Thank god you lot have nothing to do with running the club. Nobody is perfect but Jamie does a good job and provides a good compliment to Jim,who clearly likes him ,so thats good enough for me.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 04, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
They are biased but then so are every other club tv commentating teams that I have heard. It is only natural.
Some of them are way too biased, their team are losing 6 - 0, they still commentate as if their team is Brazil. Jamie is Jamie, the best bits are when Jamie makes a 'gaff', Jim picks him up on it and you hear Jim laughing throughout the rest of the commentary.
If you don't like the commentary, just turn it off.
Jim and Jamie share with us the same pain in defeat and the delight and exuberance in those elusive victories. Long may it continue gaffs and inane comments and all. God bless.
Gentleman Jim is a Fulham institution and I like him. Jamie Reid has a broadcasting pedigree, a good voice for radio and, clearly, knows a lot about the game and other teams' players. He has, IMO, a tough job in being the number 2. That said, I get very fed up of the inane wittering he introduces too often about 'Fred in Acapulco says hi' or 'Happy birthday to Daisy in Kuala Lumpur'. Keep those messages for before the game or half time. I really am not interested in Fred or Daisy!
Quote from: grandad on July 04, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
They work well together. I love it when Jim says " That was never a foul, get up" Jamie then says " In fairness Jim he did have both of his legs taken out." Jim " Yes, just seen a replay"
True. Love this, normally happens at least once every match.
I think Jamie is inept and not really cut out for what he tries to do. For TV commentators both he and Jim talk FAR too much. They need to be quiet, but sadly they are commentating for both TV and sound only, so the two mediums fight each other in this respect. He is also unbelievably bland and just does not really "know" football. I suspect he never played at a very good level.
In addition he falls over himself to avoid making any qualitative or value calls.So very very bland.
His role is also not clearly defined, he is there as either a commentator back up or a summariser but does not have the knowledge to summarise, so is left to sort of give a man on the street version of events. Again not really very good at that either and not useful to most fans who have at least as much knowledge as he does.
Jim is excellent and compared to most Club commentators is miles ahead, he adds character, humour and personality.There is a massive gulf between them.He loves the team and shows his feelings. Like all of us.He is just right.Also not afraid of calling out some of the awful Championship level reffing.
I would far prefer to have just Jim and no Jamie.He adds zilch. In fact I turn the sound down now as there is no crowd. I know who the players are and can do without the endless wall to wall meaningless Jamie stream of no content.
Quote from: clarkey on July 05, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
I think Jamie is inept and not really cut out for what he tries to do. For TV commentators both he and Jim talk FAR too much. They need to be quiet, but sadly they are commentating for both TV and sound only, so the two mediums fight each other in this respect. He is also unbelievably bland and just does not really "know" football. I suspect he never played at a very good level.
In addition he falls over himself to avoid making any qualitative or value calls.So very very bland.
His role is also not clearly defined, he is there as either a commentator back up or a summariser but does not have the knowledge to summarise, so is left to sort of give a man on the street version of events. Again not really very good at that either and not useful to most fans who have at least as much knowledge as he does.
Jim is excellent and compared to most Club commentators is miles ahead, he adds character, humour and personality.There is a massive gulf between them.He loves the team and shows his feelings. Like all of us.He is just right.Also not afraid of calling out some of the awful Championship level reffing.
I would far prefer to have just Jim and no Jamie.He adds zilch. In fact I turn the sound down now as there is no crowd. I know who the players are and can do without the endless wall to wall meaningless Jamie stream of no content.
Would be a nicer way to put it than how I originally did in the moment 😂.
Basically all of the above. But we are stuck with it as it is for now, a couple people appear happy enough with him, for many I've spoken to it detracts from their enjoyment of the streams as a whole. But ...Each to their own ay.
Quote from: rebel on July 05, 2020, 07:35:36 AM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 04, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
They are biased but then so are every other club tv commentating teams that I have heard. It is only natural.
Some of them are way too biased, their team are losing 6 - 0, they still commentate as if their team is Brazil. Jamie is Jamie, the best bits are when Jamie makes a 'gaff', Jim picks him up on it and you hear Jim laughing throughout the rest of the commentary.
If you don't like the commentary, just turn it off.
A bit like the classic, "if you don't like it living here in *insert country* - move then.... "
I like commentary generally, its useful, especially if you don't have a TV to stream the game on, I like Gentleman Jim alot, he embodies the feel of many fulham fans, but I, and clearly a number of others, prefer it with someone other than Jamie alongside. That's all... given an opportunity to vote on it from the club, I wholeheartedly would. But instead, we're left voicing our opinion on a fulham board.
as for other comments on this thread along the lines of clearly having nothing to do in life...
There are, of course, more important things in the world, it's not life-ending stuff, but we're all on a football board discussing, often passionately, our feelings and thoughts on a group of men, kicking a ball into, or failing to kick a ball into a net... so let's pop the high horse back in the cupboard.
My final say on the matter is, listening to GJ & Jamie is like sitting at the game with your mates.. Perfect for us living abroad. Keeps us in touch.
I love the commentary and know how difficult it is to not show your frustration. It is also important to try and remain objective. The two of them Jamie and Jim are perfect together and necessary as it is too much to commentate on your own for 90 minutes and still remain interesting. Keep it up boys. It is keeping us sane
Watching the games, we've kept the sound on. They are doing a decent job. Listening to GJ is indeed like sitting next to a good mate. But let's face it, even ones mates do sometimes come out with complete nonsense. Jamie does a good line in balancing things up. Their reactions to yesterday's foul by Harry Arter I think it was, pretty much a textbook example.
A great teaming. I'm happy with both of them.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
Gentleman Jim is a Fulham institution and I like him. Jamie Reid has a broadcasting pedigree, a good voice for radio and, clearly, knows a lot about the game and other teams' players. He has, IMO, a tough job in being the number 2. That said, I get very fed up of the inane wittering he introduces too often about 'Fred in Acapulco says hi' or 'Happy birthday to Daisy in Kuala Lumpur'. Keep those messages for before the game or half time. I really am not interested in Fred or Daisy!
It's not about you.
Oh...and Happy Birthday Jamie Reid.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 05, 2020, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
Gentleman Jim is a Fulham institution and I like him. Jamie Reid has a broadcasting pedigree, a good voice for radio and, clearly, knows a lot about the game and other teams' players. He has, IMO, a tough job in being the number 2. That said, I get very fed up of the inane wittering he introduces too often about 'Fred in Acapulco says hi' or 'Happy birthday to Daisy in Kuala Lumpur'. Keep those messages for before the game or half time. I really am not interested in Fred or Daisy!
It's not about you.
Oh...and Happy Birthday Jamie Reid.
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So, when he game is under way are you really interested to hear a football commentator wish me happy birthday or that my tortoise and I are listening from wherever we happen to be? By all means have the hellos and congrats beforehand or at HT, but not during the 90 mins.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 05, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 05, 2020, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 05, 2020, 08:57:42 AM
Gentleman Jim is a Fulham institution and I like him. Jamie Reid has a broadcasting pedigree, a good voice for radio and, clearly, knows a lot about the game and other teams' players. He has, IMO, a tough job in being the number 2. That said, I get very fed up of the inane wittering he introduces too often about 'Fred in Acapulco says hi' or 'Happy birthday to Daisy in Kuala Lumpur'. Keep those messages for before the game or half time. I really am not interested in Fred or Daisy!
It's not about you.
Oh...and Happy Birthday Jamie Reid.
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So, when he game is under way are you really interested to hear a football commentator wish me happy birthday or that my tortoise and I are listening from wherever we happen to be? By all means have the hellos and congrats beforehand or at HT, but not during the 90 mins.
youd rather then say another backwards pass, followed by a sideways pass for best part of 90 mins
In fairness its a tough job id say and I wouldn't like to do it also about the shout outs for birthdays and who is watching where I think they can be more entertaining than the football we have watched this season and if u are paying 5 or ten pound to watch a match on a stream what harm does it do to hear your name been called out
Jim yes, Jamie no.
And put the commentary back free to air while you're at it.
My wife and I met GJ and JR in McBride's after the QPR Match during our last season in the Championship. I went up to say hi and we ended up sitting down and talking Fulham with the two of them for 45 min once they heard we made the trip over from the States. Jamie was about as delightful and engaging as anyone I've met. It was clear to me that the two liked each other and were a team. I think they play off of and compliment each other nicely, especially when I'm listening in without video and letting the match speak for itself just means dead air. Perfect? No, but JR is Fulham and truly cares about the club and its supporters. We've kept in touch and I look forward to seeing them both at the Cottage again, great blokes.
COYW!!!
Quote from: clarkey on July 05, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
I think Jamie is inept and not really cut out for what he tries to do. For TV commentators both he and Jim talk FAR too much. They need to be quiet, but sadly they are commentating for both TV and sound only, so the two mediums fight each other in this respect. He is also unbelievably bland and just does not really "know" football. I suspect he never played at a very good level.
In addition he falls over himself to avoid making any qualitative or value calls.So very very bland.
His role is also not clearly defined, he is there as either a commentator back up or a summariser but does not have the knowledge to summarise, so is left to sort of give a man on the street version of events. Again not really very good at that either and not useful to most fans who have at least as much knowledge as he does.
Jim is excellent and compared to most Club commentators is miles ahead, he adds character, humour and personality.There is a massive gulf between them.He loves the team and shows his feelings. Like all of us.He is just right.Also not afraid of calling out some of the awful Championship level reffing.
I would far prefer to have just Jim and no Jamie.He adds zilch. In fact I turn the sound down now as there is no crowd. I know who the players are and can do without the endless wall to wall meaningless Jamie stream of no content.
It is my impression that he "knows" football far better than the majority of fans, including many, many who posts on here. Very happy with Jim and Jamie's commentary, think they complement each other well.
I am happy to hear them continue as a duo, and long may they do so.
Perfectly good English commentary team and biased Fulham supporters, they are there to keep the audience positive and entertained, which they do, rather than dissect the clubs issues.
In the future maybe we could have some in other languages too (like French, Spanish, Portuegese and Serbian) to broaden the international support of the club's support especially to fans of particular players, like Mitrovic's fans that often speak only serbian.
Friends, family, or supporters of foreign players that might be in London (or overseas) could provide some foreign language commentary for a "typical London part-time salary", especially given we have at least five french, one portuguese, one dutch, one norwegian and one serbian speaker in the team.
I think Jamie tries to reign in Jim's bias-which we love of course- a bit, and give a bit more objective viewpoint, though obviously a big Fulham fan. You can tell he has a professional commentating background, which goes well with Jim's enthusiastic, knowledgeable fan.
I haven't met Jim or him, but at the home game v Brighton when we were last in the Prem, I was down the front of the Hammy End, on that very rainy night, which turned into a great win for the lads, which gave us, false, hope, and Jamie walked past on his way to his commentary position. I called out 'alright Jamie' and he turned and gave a wave.
He seems a modest, decent man, though very knowledgeable about the game, and complements Jim very well.
In all these years I have never listened to them.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 05, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
Quote from: clarkey on July 05, 2020, 09:53:24 AM
I think Jamie is inept and not really cut out for what he tries to do. For TV commentators both he and Jim talk FAR too much. They need to be quiet, but sadly they are commentating for both TV and sound only, so the two mediums fight each other in this respect. He is also unbelievably bland and just does not really "know" football. I suspect he never played at a very good level.
In addition he falls over himself to avoid making any qualitative or value calls.So very very bland.
His role is also not clearly defined, he is there as either a commentator back up or a summariser but does not have the knowledge to summarise, so is left to sort of give a man on the street version of events. Again not really very good at that either and not useful to most fans who have at least as much knowledge as he does.
Jim is excellent and compared to most Club commentators is miles ahead, he adds character, humour and personality.There is a massive gulf between them.He loves the team and shows his feelings. Like all of us.He is just right.Also not afraid of calling out some of the awful Championship level reffing.
I would far prefer to have just Jim and no Jamie.He adds zilch. In fact I turn the sound down now as there is no crowd. I know who the players are and can do without the endless wall to wall meaningless Jamie stream of no content.
It is my impression that he "knows" football far better than the majority of fans, including many, many who posts on here. Very happy with Jim and Jamie's commentary, think they complement each other well.
Absolutely this.
The fact is they are not commercial broadcasters so to judge them as such seems unfair at best and foolish at worst. They're not going to win any awards but they are Fulham through and through.
They're not very good is the long and short of it, but I doubt many people listen to them in usual circumstances. My Fulham pals who have never had the displeasure have been watching on mute, and with the game on at a friends BBQ this weekend (watching all the games together with a few beers throughout the day) they begged me to turn it over as they were fed up of listening to what sounded like horse racing :dead horse:
Of the two it's GJ I've never enjoyed. You can't listen to him on the radio and actually know what is going on - it's just a biased noise. Which, if you want to hear it is fine, but many don't.
I'm not surprised to see support from them on here, as this board tends to have the older and foreign fans in the main and I expect that is who they appeal to.
Still, hopefully not long until I'm actually back in the ground and don't have to think twice about it and the US guys can deal with it alone - sorry, chaps!
Everyone to their own. I mean, there are people out there that pay to watch/listen to QPR each week! Go figure, eh?
Quote from: Logicalman on July 06, 2020, 10:36:32 PM
Everyone to their own. I mean, there are people out there that pay to watch/listen to QPR each week! Go figure, eh?
I've only just read this, but I'm giggling away. You're right.
