According to radio just past,and a piece on the net,we are trying to bring him back.
Would love a younger version of him...but even at 33 I still rate him higher than Cav or Knock.
Only for £20k a week or less.
Utility midfielder
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Robbie on August 08, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Only for £20k a week or less.
Utility midfielder
He's not a midfielder. He plays up top or on the wing.
on the wing is midfield
He scored a few good goals in a poor line up.
I believe he's out of contract and this sounds like his agent is busy pushing his name forward.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 08, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
I believe he's out of contract and this sounds like his agent is busy pushing his name forward.
hes not out of contract
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 03:35:35 PM
Would love a younger version of him...but even at 33 I still rate him higher than Cav or Knock.
Well that has to be our benchmark, better than Cav. and Knock, yes unless we have someone better in mind, grab him.
Quote from: filham on August 08, 2020, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 03:35:35 PM
Would love a younger version of him...but even at 33 I still rate him higher than Cav or Knock.
Well that has to be our benchmark, better than Cav. and Knock, yes unless we have someone better in mind, grab him.
if we don't have someone better in mind, it's gonna be a long hard season.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Robbie on August 08, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
Only for £20k a week or less.
Utility midfielder
He's not a midfielder. He plays up top or on the wing.
on the wing is midfield
I don't really consider the likes of Sadio Mane, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Kebano, Hazard, Leroy Sane as midfielders...but I guess you're technically correct.
And yes, those are the types of players I equate Babel to.
most people wouldn't really class them as on the wing to be fair, they play wide of a front 3. But the wide men in a 3 front are normally taken up by midfield players.
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
He's a very good player. Someone we absolutely should not turn our nose up at. Surprised by that attitude considering how good he was last time and speaks volumes that at his age he can still cut it at international level.
As long as he's not the only attacking option we sign, I'm 100% behind bring him back.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 08, 2020, 04:49:13 PM
He's a very good player. Someone we absolutely should not turn our nose up at. Surprised by that attitude considering how good he was last time and speaks volumes that at his age he can still cut it at international level.
hes had a poor season for Galatassari, plus he's really old. Why should what he did two years ago trump his current ability
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 08, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
I believe he's out of contract and this sounds like his agent is busy pushing his name forward.
He's in a three year contract with a Turkish club, he was loaned Ajax for 6 months. So could be loaned to us.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 04:18:03 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 08, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
I believe he's out of contract and this sounds like his agent is busy pushing his name forward.
hes not out of contract
Your right but it sounds as if Gala and Babel are not compatible.
A good player to have around if there's no other options.
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
so are we gonna get the Babel from two seasons ago or the older one who didn't have a great season this year. If you can guarantee the former then I'm all for it, but if you can't then it's too big a gamble for me. Oldies freebies and loans got us relegated in our first season under khan, need slightly more than a short memory to recall that though
Someone posted this right as he signed with us last time...
QuoteOh God where to start with this.
I currently live in Istanbul and whilst here my local team are Besiktas and I go to see them fairly frequently. For roughly 12 months or so I've wanted this useless waste of space to leave the Vodafone Arena. to say he is piss poor, or has been piss poor, is to talk up his abilities. The Tukish top division is as bad now as any time over the past 10 years or so and clubs are losing players due to FFP.
Over the past couple of months or so, as decent players go (Pepe had his contract cancelled in December from Besiktas), and lesser equipped Turkish players replace them in the team, Babel was fairly in unique in finding himself just dropped due to being fkin rubbish.
All I can say is Besiktas's loss is Fulham's loss. When he signed he was asked that after playing in both the premier league and la liga which one was best he cited the latter because his game was more suited to it than to the Premier league. He is slow, lazy, rarely likes to take a player on (because of the first two), always takes the easy option - rolls the ball back to someone else rather than doing what you want a winger to do and attack a player or space. he does and has chipped in with a goal or two but that is mainly due to playing for one of the better teams here where more chances are created.
I expect him to play well in the first few games - as many new signings do - but then for him to revert to type. Christ, he's awful. Thank feck (as a Besiktas fan) he's gone.
And then Ryan proved to be one of our better players on the pitch while he was here.
Sure, he's old...and sure...for whatever reason it's not working at Gala... for him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a valuable piece to help us stay up.
Again, as long as he's not the only signed attacking option I'd bring him back.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
Someone posted this right as he signed with us last time...
QuoteOh God where to start with this.
I currently live in Istanbul and whilst here my local team are Besiktas and I go to see them fairly frequently. For roughly 12 months or so I've wanted this useless waste of space to leave the Vodafone Arena. to say he is piss poor, or has been piss poor, is to talk up his abilities. The Tukish top division is as bad now as any time over the past 10 years or so and clubs are losing players due to FFP.
Over the past couple of months or so, as decent players go (Pepe had his contract cancelled in December from Besiktas), and lesser equipped Turkish players replace them in the team, Babel was fairly in unique in finding himself just dropped due to being fkin rubbish.
All I can say is Besiktas's loss is Fulham's loss. When he signed he was asked that after playing in both the premier league and la liga which one was best he cited the latter because his game was more suited to it than to the Premier league. He is slow, lazy, rarely likes to take a player on (because of the first two), always takes the easy option - rolls the ball back to someone else rather than doing what you want a winger to do and attack a player or space. he does and has chipped in with a goal or two but that is mainly due to playing for one of the better teams here where more chances are created.
I expect him to play well in the first few games - as many new signings do - but then for him to revert to type. Christ, he's awful. Thank feck (as a Besiktas fan) he's gone.
And then Ryan proved to be one of our better players on the pitch while he was here.
Sure, he's old...and sure...for whatever reason it's not working at Gala... for him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a valuable piece to help us stay up.
Again, as long as he's not the only signed attacking option I'd bring him back.
how many people at his age regain there form though? I can't think of one.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
how many people at his age regain there form though? I can't think of one.
I know what you're saying...but even losing some of his form...I'd give him a shot over Cav and Knock because I don't think those two players play as well in Scott's system.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
how many people at his age regain there form though? I can't think of one.
I know what you're saying...but even losing some of his form...I'd give him a shot over Cav and Knock because I don't think those two players play as well in Scott's system.
well I agree with that. It's just there will be a transfer fee and probably decent wages, let's go find some young exciting player.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
Someone posted this right as he signed with us last time...
QuoteOh God where to start with this.
I currently live in Istanbul and whilst here my local team are Besiktas and I go to see them fairly frequently. For roughly 12 months or so I've wanted this useless waste of space to leave the Vodafone Arena. to say he is piss poor, or has been piss poor, is to talk up his abilities. The Tukish top division is as bad now as any time over the past 10 years or so and clubs are losing players due to FFP.
Over the past couple of months or so, as decent players go (Pepe had his contract cancelled in December from Besiktas), and lesser equipped Turkish players replace them in the team, Babel was fairly in unique in finding himself just dropped due to being fkin rubbish.
All I can say is Besiktas's loss is Fulham's loss. When he signed he was asked that after playing in both the premier league and la liga which one was best he cited the latter because his game was more suited to it than to the Premier league. He is slow, lazy, rarely likes to take a player on (because of the first two), always takes the easy option - rolls the ball back to someone else rather than doing what you want a winger to do and attack a player or space. he does and has chipped in with a goal or two but that is mainly due to playing for one of the better teams here where more chances are created.
I expect him to play well in the first few games - as many new signings do - but then for him to revert to type. Christ, he's awful. Thank feck (as a Besiktas fan) he's gone.
And then Ryan proved to be one of our better players on the pitch while he was here.
Sure, he's old...and sure...for whatever reason it's not working at Gala... for him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a valuable piece to help us stay up.
Again, as long as he's not the only signed attacking option I'd bring him back.
how many people at his age regain there form though? I can't think of one.
We potentially have a better squad, so I expect he will do a better job, age and experience will work in our favour. There are quite a few.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
how many people at his age regain there form though? I can't think of one.
I know what you're saying...but even losing some of his form...I'd give him a shot over Cav and Knock because I don't think those two players play as well in Scott's system.
well I agree with that. It's just there will be a transfer fee and probably decent wages, let's go find some young exciting player.
And I agree with that. I don't want to go backwards...but I think Ryan is good depth. He'd probably be ok simply coming in on loan. If he doesn't earn a starting spot during training, no harm no foul.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 08, 2020, 04:49:13 PM
He's a very good player. Someone we absolutely should not turn our nose up at. Surprised by that attitude considering how good he was last time and speaks volumes that at his age he can still cut it at international level.
hes had a poor season for Galatassari, plus he's really old. Why should what he did two years ago trump his current ability
Really old at 33! Put your dukes up matey!
Quote from: Jem on August 08, 2020, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 08, 2020, 04:49:13 PM
He's a very good player. Someone we absolutely should not turn our nose up at. Surprised by that attitude considering how good he was last time and speaks volumes that at his age he can still cut it at international level.
hes had a poor season for Galatassari, plus he's really old. Why should what he did two years ago trump his current ability
Really old at 33! Put your dukes up matey!
for a footballer I meant. Plus he will be 34 in December. He's probably even too old for the mls 😂
Wouldn't thought Scott would contemplate anybody without having him watched or seen videos of him first
Said so in another thread, but I would much prefer for us to go for someone like Deulofeu.
Quote from: hongkongfulham on August 08, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
Said so in another thread, but I would much prefer for us to go for someone like Deulofeu.
Well...yeah. If he's completely recovered I'd take him all day. Him or Sarr...heck, ask Watford to loan them both.
I'd sign Ryan, yet also get Deulofeu OR Sarr as well. Watford might be willing to loan one of them to us.
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
With Khan saying that the soul and spirit of the squad is more important this year, I'm inclined to believe that we will make a move for Babel.
Scott knows him, he knows the club and more important I think several players have tweeted him about coming back when he was in London recently.
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
He's not going to cost a lot as a loanee though, no? That means we can still purchase or loan a younger attacking player (like a Sarr or Deulofeu) and still have Ryan's experience.
He could be our new Kmac (who I don't expect to be with the squad next season)
Babel impressed me immensely in that nightmare relegation season. To be honest I really didn't expect much from him but despite our poor season he really was a pleasure to watch. He showed a passion and determination to fight for the cause along with a great skill level. If he can still perform at the levels of just 15 months ago he must be worth considering. Most of the players have worked with him and with such a short close season he would surely fit in to the squad very easily. I guess Scott Parker knows whether he wants him or not. Let's wait and see.
It's the sort of signing we made the in the last years of the MAF era. No thanks.
I thought Babel played well when getting those thru balls from Johnny Haynes but he might be a tad grey for service in 2020.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 08, 2020, 07:55:32 PM
Babel impressed me immensely in that nightmare relegation season. To be honest I really didn't expect much from him but despite our poor season he really was a pleasure to watch. He showed a passion and determination to fight for the cause along with a great skill level. If he can still perform at the levels of just 15 months ago he must be worth considering. Most of the players have worked with him and with such a short close season he would surely fit in to the squad very easily. I guess Scott Parker knows whether he wants him or not. Let's wait and see.
+1
I might be in the minority but sadly it's a no from me. He was superb two years ago but he will be 34 in 4 months time. As Statto points out it's the sort of signing of the latter MAF days.
Quote from: Twig on August 08, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
I might be in the minority but sadly it's a no from me. He was superb two years ago but he will be 34 in 4 months time. As Statto points out it's the sort of signing of the latter MAF days.
I don't think this is at all to be honest. He's still playing at the very top level, it would be a short term deal and a player who knows the set up, the team and would be relatively cheap. His experience alone would be great in a position we already have ample people in albeit, he'd still be an upgrade. Really surprised a short term loan like this has people saying no really.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Twig on August 08, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
I might be in the minority but sadly it's a no from me. He was superb two years ago but he will be 34 in 4 months time. As Statto points out it's the sort of signing of the latter MAF days.
I don't think this is at all to be honest. He's still playing at the very top level, it would be a short term deal and a player who knows the set up, the team and would be relatively cheap. His experience alone would be great in a position we already have ample people in albeit, he'd still be an upgrade. Really surprised a short term loan like this has people saying no really.
i don't think I've ever heard anyone class the Turkish league as a top level. And yes he might have been playing in it, but by all accounts he was playing very badly in it
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Twig on August 08, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
I might be in the minority but sadly it's a no from me. He was superb two years ago but he will be 34 in 4 months time. As Statto points out it's the sort of signing of the latter MAF days.
I don't think this is at all to be honest. He's still playing at the very top level, it would be a short term deal and a player who knows the set up, the team and would be relatively cheap. His experience alone would be great in a position we already have ample people in albeit, he'd still be an upgrade. Really surprised a short term loan like this has people saying no really.
"short-term deal"
"relatively cheap"
"experience"
When Jol went to MAF to approve his signings circa 2012, I expect that most of the time those were the exact words he used
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
If he were as good as last time, that would be a real coup. (My player of the season). If just a usable substitute, and positive presence around the place, that might still be attractive to Fulham for one campaign. They know all about him, including how he fared in the season just ended, so won't be flying blind if they do make that call.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
Someone posted this right as he signed with us last time...
QuoteOh God where to start with this.
I currently live in Istanbul and whilst here my local team are Besiktas and I go to see them fairly frequently. For roughly 12 months or so I've wanted this useless waste of space to leave the Vodafone Arena. to say he is piss poor, or has been piss poor, is to talk up his abilities. The Tukish top division is as bad now as any time over the past 10 years or so and clubs are losing players due to FFP.
Over the past couple of months or so, as decent players go (Pepe had his contract cancelled in December from Besiktas), and lesser equipped Turkish players replace them in the team, Babel was fairly in unique in finding himself just dropped due to being fkin rubbish.
All I can say is Besiktas's loss is Fulham's loss. When he signed he was asked that after playing in both the premier league and la liga which one was best he cited the latter because his game was more suited to it than to the Premier league. He is slow, lazy, rarely likes to take a player on (because of the first two), always takes the easy option - rolls the ball back to someone else rather than doing what you want a winger to do and attack a player or space. he does and has chipped in with a goal or two but that is mainly due to playing for one of the better teams here where more chances are created.
I expect him to play well in the first few games - as many new signings do - but then for him to revert to type. Christ, he's awful. Thank feck (as a Besiktas fan) he's gone.
And then Ryan proved to be one of our better players on the pitch while he was here.
Sure, he's old...and sure...for whatever reason it's not working at Gala... for him. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be a valuable piece to help us stay up.
Again, as long as he's not the only signed attacking option I'd bring him back.
how many people at his age regain there form though? I can't think of one.
What makes you think that he has lost his form? He's not settled in Turkey, it's bit like Mitro, didn't settle at Newcastle, but has been great with us since.
I don't know how much of this is true,
http://www.turktime.com/haber/galatasaray-da-babel-krizi/551072
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Twig on August 08, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
I might be in the minority but sadly it%u2019s a no from me. He was superb two years ago but he will be 34 in 4 months time. As Statto points out it%u2019s the sort of signing of the latter MAF days.
I don't think this is at all to be honest. He's still playing at the very top level, it would be a short term deal and a player who knows the set up, the team and would be relatively cheap. His experience alone would be great in a position we already have ample people in albeit, he'd still be an upgrade. Really surprised a short term loan like this has people saying no really.
i don%u2019t think I%u2019ve ever heard anyone class the Turkish league as a top level. And yes he might have been playing in it, but by all accounts he was playing very badly in it
Seems selective, what about champions league and playing international football for Holland? A quick look at the reception he received in said Turkish league and not really many criticising him personally so I'm not sure where this vendetta complex you seem to have with Babel is.
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 01:09:14 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Twig on August 08, 2020, 10:49:01 PM
I might be in the minority but sadly it's a no from me. He was superb two years ago but he will be 34 in 4 months time. As Statto points out it's the sort of signing of the latter MAF days.
I don't think this is at all to be honest. He's still playing at the very top level, it would be a short term deal and a player who knows the set up, the team and would be relatively cheap. His experience alone would be great in a position we already have ample people in albeit, he'd still be an upgrade. Really surprised a short term loan like this has people saying no really.
"short-term deal"
"relatively cheap"
"experience"
When Jol went to MAF to approve his signings circa 2012, I expect that most of the time those were the exact words he used
This is very different and needless to say, you already know that. We'd be adding experience and quality to a position we don't necessarily need to improve on. So the budget allocated could be better spent elsewhere on say a RB or CB, or current Reed situation pending, a DM. I really don't think the Khans are saying any of those things above and historically speaking, they've proven otherwise so the logic is a little flakey here. Particularly when we're talking about signing an experienced champions league player who still plays at the top levels.
Of all the names mentioned on various posts right now he's probably the only one I would say yes to.
Just a simple question why should we be looking to take players ( even though big names ) that are no longer good enough at prem level , otherwise they'd be there.
Too old IMO. Pace is(was?) a huge part of his game and I'm not convinced he will offer the same threat at age 34. Has anyone actually seen him play lately? Genuine question, I haven't seen him since he played for us.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:48:57 PM
We'd be adding experience and quality to a position we don't necessarily need to improve on. So the budget allocated could be better spent elsewhere on say a RB or CB, or current Reed situation pending, a DM.
We need to improve in that area. With all due respect to Kebano, Kamara, Knockaert and Cavaleiro, if the LW and RW spots are regularly taken by two from that list, then we're on for a disappointing season. They've plenty of experience between them but we need more pace and talent. Luckily we have ample budget for that. We could spend £25m on each of a CB, RB and DM and still sign a big money winger.
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:48:57 PM
We'd be adding experience and quality to a position we don't necessarily need to improve on. So the budget allocated could be better spent elsewhere on say a RB or CB, or current Reed situation pending, a DM.
We need to improve in that area. With all due respect to Kebano, Kamara, Knockaert and Cavaleiro, if the LW and RW spots are regularly taken by two from that list, then we're on for a disappointing season. They've plenty of experience between them but we need more pace and talent. Luckily we have ample budget for that. We could spend £25m on each of a CB, RB and DM and still sign a big money winger.
Interesting. Wouldn't of put it as a priority myself but I do agree we need more pace in this side!
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Ronaldo 5 years ago
48 goals in 35 matches
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
like I said he is still good at half his ability. Now look at his record in la Liga as to me sire a is a weaker league. For the last four years at Madrid he has slowly declined, it happens when you get old. But if we are seriously contemplating old players then let's go for Rooney. Far better than Babel has ever been and roughly the same age. Any takers for Rooney?
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Ronaldo 5 years ago
48 goals in 35 matches
yep, and slowly declined every season after that till he left Madrid. It's quite insane to believe 34 year olds will be as good or better even than they were previously. So insane that the only one they can mention to make an arguement is arguably the world greatest player.
Lets get Ronaldo
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Ronaldo 5 years ago
48 goals in 35 matches
So how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 09, 2020, 08:00:35 PM
Lets get Ronaldo
that would make way more sense or like I said Rooney. Shearer looks like he keeps himself in shape too
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Ronaldo 5 years ago
48 goals in 35 matches
So how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?
juve spent a lot of money upgrading there squad this season.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
like I said he is still good at half his ability. Now look at his record in la Liga as to me sire a is a weaker league. For the last four years at Madrid he has slowly declined, it happens when you get old. But if we are seriously contemplating old players then let's go for Rooney. Far better than Babel has ever been and roughly the same age. Any takers for Rooney?
O.K. same question, we just can't generalise, 'so how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?'
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 08, 2020, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Ronaldo 5 years ago
48 goals in 35 matches
So how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?
juve spent a lot of money upgrading there squad this season.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 08:04:09 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
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Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
Ronaldo 5 years ago
48 goals in 35 matches
So how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?
juve spent a lot of money upgrading there squad this season.
Right so the decline in goals in previous seasons was down to Juve not spending enough money.
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Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 07:39:39 PM
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Quote from: Twig on August 09, 2020, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: rebel on August 09, 2020, 08:38:11 AM
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Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
like I said he is still good at half his ability. Now look at his record in la Liga as to me sire a is a weaker league. For the last four years at Madrid he has slowly declined, it happens when you get old. But if we are seriously contemplating old players then let's go for Rooney. Far better than Babel has ever been and roughly the same age. Any takers for Rooney?
O.K. same question, we just can't generalise, 'so how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?'
i just answered that, juve improved their squad this year. Plus you are talking about one of the worlds best players. Now answer my question, should we sign a similarly aged Rooney who was a million times better than Babel has ever been?
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Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
like I said he is still good at half his ability. Now look at his record in la Liga as to me sire a is a weaker league. For the last four years at Madrid he has slowly declined, it happens when you get old. But if we are seriously contemplating old players then let's go for Rooney. Far better than Babel has ever been and roughly the same age. Any takers for Rooney?
O.K. same question, we just can't generalise, 'so how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?'
i just answered that, juve improved their squad this year. Plus you are talking about one of the worlds best players. Now answer my question, should we sign a similarly aged Rooney who was a million times better than Babel has ever been?
Have you answered your own question? Rooney was better then Babel. Not any more though ? Maybe ?
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Quote from: rebel on August 08, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 08, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
like I said he is still good at half his ability. Now look at his record in la Liga as to me sire a is a weaker league. For the last four years at Madrid he has slowly declined, it happens when you get old. But if we are seriously contemplating old players then let's go for Rooney. Far better than Babel has ever been and roughly the same age. Any takers for Rooney?
O.K. same question, we just can't generalise, 'so how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?'
i just answered that, juve improved their squad this year. Plus you are talking about one of the worlds best players. Now answer my question, should we sign a similarly aged Rooney who was a million times better than Babel has ever been?
Have you answered your own question? Rooney was better then Babel. Not any more though ? Maybe ?
not any more? Why, if Babel is apparently going to come back and be as good as he was, then doesn't it stand to reason that Rooney will too? Surely makes sense to buy the better player in Rooney doesn't it.
As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
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As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
oldies, freebies and loans, what could possibly go wrong 😂
We could also get Parker as back on the pitch as player-coach, actually
But that's the point. IMO Rooney isn't the better player anymore. I have no idea If Babel can play at same level of just 15 months ago, when he played with a desire and commitment coupled with an ability that very few players demonstrated in that disastrous season. Is he right for Fulham now I don't know. Worth considering though given the short turnaround.
As usual, the debate has been watered down so much that we couldn't possibly sign a player like Babel without comparing it to the back end of the Al Fayed years. If you do a pros and cons column of signing him, the pros outweigh the cons.
If this was likely the only signing or a string of similar signings, i'm with you. But this really isn't the case. It's a signing that is risk free and makes sense for all the reasons we already mentioned, but in short, experienced, knows the club, knows the players, brings a quality we don't really have and with his age, certainly doesn't get a long contract. He could well come and be absolute dross, but i'd still rather we invested in other key areas, CB, DM, RB, backup striker, before even looking at making wingers a priority considering we just spent in excess of £20m on 2 wingers in Knockaert and Cav? I think that's a reasonable position even if you still think we lack pace in the side.
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An attacking midfielder, winger, whatever- but i thought him outstanding for us, his quality stood out,and he seemed very fit, and able to fit straight into the side, make an impact, and develop an understanding with the others that our expensive pre-season signings seemed to find difficult to do.
Forget his age, he was only playing for us a season ago, and is still playing at a top level.
Should snap his up if we get the chance..
Agree 100%, some of the poster's have a short memory scored 6 goals in 15 games.
Yes but that wasn't last week was it, 2 seasons ago
Yes, but he's not going to lose any of the qualities he showed previously. He'll still have the same mindset, 'unfinished business' in the Prem.
Well one quality he will be rapidly losing is physical condition. He would be more than two years older and approaching 34. He simply won't be quite the player he was when we brought him in previously. I'm not knocking the guy, he was a light in a dark place last time around but time waits for no man sadly.
I agree, it's possible age may be catching up with him. I don't know and would rely on the club to check that out. His stats must be available. What I will say though is that at 35 Christiano Ronaldo is still doing okay, not that I'm comparing the two other than their respective ages.
ronaldo is doing ok, but half the player he was a few years ago. Still good at half mind. Babel is starting from a much lower base than ronaldo
Ronaldo, Previous season 21 goals in 31 matches, this season 31 goals in 33 matches, don't you hate stats.
like I said he is still good at half his ability. Now look at his record in la Liga as to me sire a is a weaker league. For the last four years at Madrid he has slowly declined, it happens when you get old. But if we are seriously contemplating old players then let's go for Rooney. Far better than Babel has ever been and roughly the same age. Any takers for Rooney?
O.K. same question, we just can't generalise, 'so how do you explain his 31goals in 33 matches this season? A resurgence in form?'
i just answered that, juve improved their squad this year. Plus you are talking about one of the worlds best players. Now answer my question, should we sign a similarly aged Rooney who was a million times better than Babel has ever been?
Derby has, how well have they done since his arrival?
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 08:55:00 PM
As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
I bet you were 'gushing' over them when they played well for us.
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As usual, the debate has been watered down so much that we couldn't possibly sign a player like Babel without comparing it to the back end of the Al Fayed years. If you do a pros and cons column of signing him, the pros outweigh the cons.
If this was likely the only signing or a string of similar signings, i'm with you. But this really isn't the case. It's a signing that is risk free and makes sense for all the reasons we already mentioned, but in short, experienced, knows the club, knows the players, brings a quality we don't really have and with his age, certainly doesn't get a long contract. He could well come and be absolute dross, but i'd still rather we invested in other key areas, CB, DM, RB, backup striker, before even looking at making wingers a priority considering we just spent in excess of £20m on 2 wingers in Knockaert and Cav? I think that's a reasonable position even if you still think we lack pace in the side.
Good post, if he's loaned to us, there are all sorts of caveats that can be added to his loan contract. If he doesn't perform Parker will hopefully be sensible enough to drop him.
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 08:55:00 PM
As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
Lol brilliant. It's time to move on and forget the past.
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2020, 08:55:00 PM
As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
We could spend £60m to get Luiz, Coleman, Bertrand, Fernandinho, Milner, Silva, Giroud, Young and Babel, but they will only come if we offer them five-year contracts. Everyone will be praising Tony Khan for about two years when we are mid-table in the premier league, then the players will get old and a typically MAF checkbook rescue will be needed where he buys another bunch of less old players. Only this time FFP will be forcing us to buy young players with all the money that we got from the very old players we are selling and we end up free failing though the divisions like Sunderland did before us.
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Would love a younger version of him...but even at 33 I still rate him higher than Cav or Knock.
Well that has to be our benchmark, better than Cav. and Knock, yes unless we have someone better in mind, grab him.
if we don't have someone better in mind, it's gonna be a long hard season.
Agreed 100%. We'll see whether TK has learnt from his mistakes. So far these kinds of threads about these past players and players past their prime in itself is a concern.
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As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
Thats harsh about Karagounis
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As I said up the thread, let's buy a whole team of has-beens like we did under Jol. Maybe we can get Heitinga, Riise, Karagounis, Diarra, Holtby and Berbatov back. Add in Rooney, Schurrle and Babel and that is a bloody good team.
Thats harsh about Karagounis
Love it
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Lets get Ronaldo
that would make way more sense or like I said Rooney. Shearer looks like he keeps himself in shape too
So it's agreed then, sod Babel or Rooney we'll get Ronaldo. While we're at it can I suggest we take a punt on an ageing Messi?
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Lets get Ronaldo
that would make way more sense or like I said Rooney. Shearer looks like he keeps himself in shape too
So it's agreed then, sod Babel or Rooney we'll get Ronaldo. While we're at it can I suggest we take a punt on an ageing Messi?
is still like Shearer as back up. Would be great at defending set pieces too
