Quote from: grandad on August 22, 2020, 09:16:08 AM
Bet he gets off with a fine & having to apologise. Any other non celeb would be banged up for a few years. He should be made an example of.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 22, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
Who you calling Mrs Doubtfire ?
Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
But doesn't he get worse from opposition fans, he and his mates have to have a 'thicker skin'.
Quote from: Jurassic Parker on August 22, 2020, 03:37:50 PM
His sister was stabbed with a sharp object.
Some of you need to wait to hear the full story before making horrid remarks.
Quote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 06:04:50 PMI understand your point but they are entitled to holiday and enjoy themselves, everyone deserves the right to that. You can use the same argument to any number of people nut just footballers or celebrities. Just because they are high profile doesn't mean they cannot have A lifeQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Why go to an environment where drink could result in belligerent behaviour?, they are guaranteed targets.
Quote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 06:29:16 PMUnfortunately he is a footballer which means he will automatically be blamed regardless of facts.Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 06:04:50 PMI understand your point but they are entitled to holiday and enjoy themselves, everyone deserves the right to that. You can use the same argument to any number of people nut just footballers or celebrities. Just because they are high profile doesn't mean they cannot have A lifeQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Why go to an environment where drink could result in belligerent behaviour?, they are guaranteed targets.
As someone said above there is a lot to come out on this i reckon
Quote from: alfie on August 22, 2020, 07:37:32 PMQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 06:29:16 PMUnfortunately he is a footballer which means he will automatically be blamed regardless of facts.Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 06:04:50 PMI understand your point but they are entitled to holiday and enjoy themselves, everyone deserves the right to that. You can use the same argument to any number of people nut just footballers or celebrities. Just because they are high profile doesn't mean they cannot have A lifeQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Why go to an environment where drink could result in belligerent behaviour?, they are guaranteed targets.
As someone said above there is a lot to come out on this i reckon
Quote from: Nero on August 22, 2020, 08:03:58 PMFrom what i have read athat is 2 of the 4 things the defendants have been charge with, also public violence and something elseQuote from: alfie on August 22, 2020, 07:37:32 PMQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 06:29:16 PMUnfortunately he is a footballer which means he will automatically be blamed regardless of facts.Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 06:04:50 PMI understand your point but they are entitled to holiday and enjoy themselves, everyone deserves the right to that. You can use the same argument to any number of people nut just footballers or celebrities. Just because they are high profile doesn't mean they cannot have A lifeQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Why go to an environment where drink could result in belligerent behaviour?, they are guaranteed targets.
As someone said above there is a lot to come out on this i reckon
Isnt the case about hitting a policeman and then trying to bribe him, if he was that pissed he didnt realise that he was hitting a police ,then thats his own throught whether his sister got a p**** or not
Quote from: Nero on August 22, 2020, 08:03:58 PMQuote from: alfie on August 22, 2020, 07:37:32 PMQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 06:29:16 PMUnfortunately he is a footballer which means he will automatically be blamed regardless of facts.Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 06:04:50 PMI understand your point but they are entitled to holiday and enjoy themselves, everyone deserves the right to that. You can use the same argument to any number of people nut just footballers or celebrities. Just because they are high profile doesn't mean they cannot have A lifeQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Why go to an environment where drink could result in belligerent behaviour?, they are guaranteed targets.
As someone said above there is a lot to come out on this i reckon
Isnt the case about hitting a policeman and then trying to bribe him, if he was that pissed he didnt realise that he was hitting a police ,then thats his own throught whether his sister got a p**** or not
Quote from: Nero on August 22, 2020, 08:03:58 PMThere are a lot of the facts not in the public domain, as for assaulting a policeman there are a number of police who are dressed in plain clothes especially around the nightclubs and bars, so need to wait and see if this is the case. Also as for sister being stabbed, she did not go to hospital and there is no pictures of any injury so again have to wait and see. I will keep my views on this until evidence has been shown. At the moment it is conjecture and rumour.Quote from: alfie on August 22, 2020, 07:37:32 PMQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 06:29:16 PMUnfortunately he is a footballer which means he will automatically be blamed regardless of facts.Quote from: rebel on August 22, 2020, 06:04:50 PMI understand your point but they are entitled to holiday and enjoy themselves, everyone deserves the right to that. You can use the same argument to any number of people nut just footballers or celebrities. Just because they are high profile doesn't mean they cannot have A lifeQuote from: junior white on August 22, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
Not knowing the facts I can't comment but footballers are targets, Greece as it stands has no quarantine rules when you come back so safe to go to, so a lot of brits there as always.
I know he shouldn't react but he is human and when people abuse your loved ones it must be hard to stay calm, some of the videos doing the rounds show some of the abuse was not just F United but also aimed at his wife and things said about his young girls, so sometimes it is hard to not react.
Why go to an environment where drink could result in belligerent behaviour?, they are guaranteed targets.
As someone said above there is a lot to come out on this i reckon
Isnt the case about hitting a policeman and then trying to bribe him, if he was that pissed he didnt realise that he was hitting a police ,then thats his own throught whether his sister got a p**** or not
Quote from: rebel on August 23, 2020, 12:16:56 PM
I'm not trying to trivialize this, but he should have asked the police if they wanted a 'selfie' with him. :003:
Quote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PM
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Quote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PMThe only way then is to never leave his house.
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Quote from: alfie on August 25, 2020, 06:30:53 AMWe have this discussion where we ask would you rather be a foot baller back in the day earning decent money or a footballer today earning Mega money and the issues that come with that?Quote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PMThe only way then is to never leave his house.
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Quote from: alfie on August 25, 2020, 06:30:53 AMQuote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PMThe only way then is to never leave his house.
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Quote from: Motspur Park on August 25, 2020, 07:09:55 AMSorry I am quite clearly wrong, I will withdraw my commentQuote from: alfie on August 25, 2020, 06:30:53 AMQuote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PMThe only way then is to never leave his house.
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Of course they can leave the house..... and have a great time. Unfortunately, it is all about culture. If a 20-30 year old wants to be part of celebrity culture, down loads of shots and get p###ed in an expensive bar, of course he is more likely to get in altercations. If, however, as most international footballers do, they go to exclusive establishments and have a good time but not get out of their heads, then there is far less likelihood of trouble. Not a hard to grasp concept.... but there will always be people making excuses.
Quote from: alfie on August 25, 2020, 06:30:53 AMQuote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PMThe only way then is to never leave his house.
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
Quote from: DucatiFFC on August 25, 2020, 04:23:01 PM
You have probably forgotten Gazza .
Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 06:28:00 PM
All he got was 21 months suspended for 3 years.
Quote from: Motspur Park on August 25, 2020, 07:09:55 AMYep exactly.Quote from: alfie on August 25, 2020, 06:30:53 AMQuote from: Enfield on August 24, 2020, 09:21:11 PMThe only way then is to never leave his house.
When you are on £190K a week, you should have the sense to realize that you can't have an ordinary life,
and you also have enough sense to avoid situations which could lead to conflict.
Of course they can leave the house..... and have a great time. Unfortunately, it is all about culture. If a 20-30 year old wants to be part of celebrity culture, down loads of shots and get p###ed in an expensive bar, of course he is more likely to get in altercations. If, however, as most international footballers do, they go to exclusive establishments and have a good time but not get out of their heads, then there is far less likelihood of trouble. Not a hard to grasp concept.... but there will always be people making excuses.
Gareth Southgate, who named his squad to face Iceland and Denmark at St. George's Park earlier today, has provided an update:
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Quote from: Jurassic Parker on August 22, 2020, 03:37:50 PM0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg
His sister was stabbed with a sharp object.
Some of you need to wait to hear the full story before making horrid remarks.
Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:34:10 PMQuote from: Jurassic Parker on August 22, 2020, 03:37:50 PM0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg
His sister was stabbed with a sharp object.
Some of you need to wait to hear the full story before making horrid remarks.
Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:34:10 PMQuote from: Jurassic Parker on August 22, 2020, 03:37:50 PM0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg 0001.jpeg
His sister was stabbed with a sharp object.
Some of you need to wait to hear the full story before making horrid remarks.
Quote from: fulhamross on August 26, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
Sounds very dodgy. I think he's innocent.
No video footage, plain clothed cops, and a rushed court case? No evidence apart from what the Greek cops said?
All this hatred on here for Harry is ridiculous. Too many mong daily mail / sun readers
Quote from: Dodgin on August 25, 2020, 08:37:15 PMremember a bunch of Israelis were found not guilty of gang rape.
I have no idea if he is guilty as charged, just a thought, knowing that English youth can get into trouble abroad. Is anyone ever found not guilty in Greece
Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
Quote from: rebel on August 26, 2020, 05:01:52 PMIndeed none of us where there so we dont know if he did anything or nit so we cannot say for certain that he did or didnt. Conjecture from all sides. Don't think what he spent on booze, food or his holiday is relevant, if he can afford it thats up to him, i spend what o can afford and have had some absolute banking nights out in GreeceQuote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
None of us were there. Everyone is allowed an opinion, just because it's not the same as yours, doesn't make them wrong. By all accounts HM had been drinking. People do 'crazy things' under the influence. So you can't go on about the Greek police are this or are that. He spent something like over £63,000 on drink over a 3 day period.
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2020, 05:21:45 PMQuote from: rebel on August 26, 2020, 05:01:52 PMIndeed none of us where there so we dont know if he did anything or nit so we cannot say for certain that he did or didnt. Conjecture from all sides. Don't think what he spent on booze, food or his holiday is relevant, if he can afford it thats up to him, i spend what o can afford and have had some absolute banking nights out in GreeceQuote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
None of us were there. Everyone is allowed an opinion, just because it's not the same as yours, doesn't make them wrong. By all accounts HM had been drinking. People do 'crazy things' under the influence. So you can't go on about the Greek police are this or are that. He spent something like over £63,000 on drink over a 3 day period.
Aside form that he has now had his appeal approved so under Greek law the previous conviction is dismissed and he is again innocent until proven guilty, very strange system.
Will be months before it gets heard now i reckon
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2020, 05:21:45 PMQuote from: rebel on August 26, 2020, 05:01:52 PMIndeed none of us where there so we dont know if he did anything or nit so we cannot say for certain that he did or didnt. Conjecture from all sides. Don't think what he spent on booze, food or his holiday is relevant, if he can afford it thats up to him, i spend what o can afford and have had some absolute banking nights out in GreeceQuote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
None of us were there. Everyone is allowed an opinion, just because it's not the same as yours, doesn't make them wrong. By all accounts HM had been drinking. People do 'crazy things' under the influence. So you can't go on about the Greek police are this or are that. He spent something like over £63,000 on drink over a 3 day period.
Aside form that he has now had his appeal approved so under Greek law the previous conviction is dismissed and he is again innocent until proven guilty, very strange system.
Will be months before it gets heard now i reckon
Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMI agree with the last part of your posting, but question the first part of your posting, do you have 1st hand experience about them being corrupt etc? 1 question I have to ask is that if they are corrupt and I suspect they may well be, couldn´t HM offer them enough to drop the charges?Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 27, 2020, 11:20:24 AM
I see he came out with the usual...."Do you know who I am"...😕
Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
Quote from: ffcne on August 27, 2020, 04:16:38 PMAll true and it is all here say unless you were there.Quote from: epsomraver on August 25, 2020, 09:43:37 PMQuote from: grandad on August 25, 2020, 05:51:34 PM
Maguire banged to rights. Found guilty of all charges. Bet all he will get is a miniscule fine . He has yet to face any action from Manure.
some of you really talk rubbish on here, any of you ever had dealings with the Greek police? they are corrupt, nobody is ever not guilty, they are aggressive , have no translators, they put together a case in less than 3 days without telling the defence anything about it, no translations in court., I can see why I don't bother to come in here much now with all the ignorant comments, Harry is not a troublemaker, he doesn't court the limelight , you people going to stand by while your sister is molested by Albanians? yes course you are!!!
Who knows if that story is true regarding Albanians?
Do you know all the facts . ?
Were you there?
If not that is an ignorant comment.
Do you know how the legal system works?
Happens a lot in this country.
Lawyers dont disclose information until near the trial.
Quote from: RaySmith on September 01, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
it's one's word against the other, and they have the advantage of being the police.
Quote from: Asotosyios on September 01, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
According to the police report, Maguire and his friends shouted ".... f&%* the Greece, f*&% the Greek civilization...."
Quote from: RaySmith on September 02, 2020, 12:42:54 PM
I believe Xenophon's Anabasis, in the original Ancient Greek, is his favourite reading.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 02, 2020, 01:05:59 PM
If the Greek police told me night followed day I would go and ask somebody else.
Quote from: cmg on September 02, 2020, 04:13:51 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 02, 2020, 01:05:59 PM
If the Greek police told me night followed day I would go and ask somebody else.
You're only saying that because you got fooled by that wooden horse they left on your doorstep.
Quote from: Asotosyios on September 02, 2020, 01:01:41 PMQuote from: RaySmith on September 02, 2020, 12:42:54 PM
I believe Xenophon's Anabasis, in the original Ancient Greek, is his favourite reading.
Are you sure it's not Plato's Symposium? :dft011:
I am Greek and have been living in the UK for a long time, so don't really want to take sides - I only added what the police report mentioned as per the Greek media.
What is interesting is that English people mostly think that Maguire is blameless and the "corrupted" Greek police is at fault, while most people in Greece consider it as one of the many incidents that take place every summer in the Greek islands between drunk English people. Obviously both of these are generalizations, but still interesting to see.
Quote from: domprague on September 03, 2020, 09:46:13 PM
Rent a villa. Go to a resort with a better clientele that pissed shouting and swearing at people. Accept that you'll be a target and in return you're paid a fortune. It's not difficult.
