Sorry if this has been posted but there were a lot of pics on social media yesterday of the team back in training but nothing of these 2. I would have thought everyone would have reported back together?
Maybe they are giving the spotlight to the lad that got promoted and keeping these 2 low key at the moment. Having said that Robinson is getting a lot of focus so who knows ?
Some of the squad are in the government mandated self isolation depending on where they went on holiday I think
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 25, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
Some of the squad are in the government mandated self isolation depending on where they went on holiday I think
This would make sense.
As long as Fabri was there we will be fine.
Quote from: Twig on August 25, 2020, 11:34:01 AM
As long as Fabri was there we will be fine.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 25, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
Some of the squad are in the government mandated self isolation depending on where they went on holiday I think
Is this true? Surely with such a short turnaround/pre-season, the players/club would have changed their holiday destination so as not to lose out on vital training time? It's not like they will need to be concerned over a few hundred pounds or whatever admin fees...
The lack of Zambo and Seri concerns me a bit to be honest. I felt sure they would both not be with us this season but had started to think maybe we'd keep Zambo if Villareal has missed the chance. Maybe not then...
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 25, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 25, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
Some of the squad are in the government mandated self isolation depending on where they went on holiday I think
Is this true? Surely with such a short turnaround/pre-season, the players/club would have changed their holiday destination so as not to lose out on vital training time? It's not like they will need to be concerned over a few hundred pounds or whatever admin fees...
The lack of Zambo and Seri concerns me a bit to be honest. I felt sure they would both not be with us this season but had started to think maybe we'd keep Zambo if Villareal has missed the chance. Maybe not then...
France were added to the restriction list 10 days ago, which could explain it if they went to there for vacation.
There has to be a bit of testing for COVID- 19 as well as level of fitness. It's not like the old days of pre season, 10 times around the pitch. It's a bit more scientific now
Quote from: Andy S on August 25, 2020, 11:59:44 AM
There has to be a bit of testing for COVID- 19 as well as level of fitness. It's not like the old days of pre season, 10 times around the pitch. It's a bit more scientific now
Dont forget up and down the terraces as well
Quote from: Tabby on August 25, 2020, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 25, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 25, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
Some of the squad are in the government mandated self isolation depending on where they went on holiday I think
Is this true? Surely with such a short turnaround/pre-season, the players/club would have changed their holiday destination so as not to lose out on vital training time? It's not like they will need to be concerned over a few hundred pounds or whatever admin fees...
The lack of Zambo and Seri concerns me a bit to be honest. I felt sure they would both not be with us this season but had started to think maybe we'd keep Zambo if Villareal has missed the chance. Maybe not then...
France were added to the restriction list 10 days ago, which could explain it if they went to there for vacation.
Yeah, the timings would fit. If rules changed whilst they were already there (play-off final having been on the 4th). Cool, let's hope it's just that then!
Quote from: Andy S on August 25, 2020, 11:59:44 AM
There has to be a bit of testing for COVID- 19 as well as level of fitness. It's not like the old days of pre season, 10 times around the pitch. It's a bit more scientific now
Don't tell that to Felix Magath...
Seri and Anguissa have to be looked upon as money in a transfer budget that is locked away in a bank vault and needs a special warrant for withdrawal.
Because of their value Parker is possibly unable to risk them on a training pitch without a document signed by the Chairman, TK and a medical officer.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 25, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 25, 2020, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 25, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 25, 2020, 11:29:16 AM
Some of the squad are in the government mandated self isolation depending on where they went on holiday I think
Is this true? Surely with such a short turnaround/pre-season, the players/club would have changed their holiday destination so as not to lose out on vital training time? It's not like they will need to be concerned over a few hundred pounds or whatever admin fees...
The lack of Zambo and Seri concerns me a bit to be honest. I felt sure they would both not be with us this season but had started to think maybe we'd keep Zambo if Villareal has missed the chance. Maybe not then...
France were added to the restriction list 10 days ago, which could explain it if they went to there for vacation.
Yeah, the timings would fit. If rules changed whilst they were already there (play-off final having been on the 4th). Cool, let's hope it's just that then!
Anguissa was on holiday in France, his Instagram activity places him in the French riviera. Wouldn't worry about him potentially missing out on fitness work either because most of his insta posts show him doing cardio or weight training so he's not going to come back a couch potato for sure. Also don't think we need to worry about players fitness in general, usually they have around 5-6 weeks off whereas this time most players will have had 4 max and most of our squad had 3 at a push so will have a better starting point.
I'm sure this is what the lads are up to https://www.instagram.com/p/CDhdcVmHbkB/ Actually, is he the new free transfer forward we were looking to add to the squad?
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 25, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
I'm sure this is what the lads are up to https://www.instagram.com/p/CDhdcVmHbkB/ Actually, is he the new free transfer forward we were looking to add to the squad?
Get him in at cb, he's good in the air.
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
Savage!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
I've coached gen X and millennials (gen Y) football teams. Tell a Gen X he is useless and needs to grow a pair, then he'll grow a pair and prove you that he deserves a starting place. I never told a Gen Y player he is useless, but even suggesting that a player is not contributing as much as he should, he'll start crying, then won't chase the ball and prove to you that he wasn't useless before you said anything as he is contributing much less now. With millennials you need to wrap them up in cotton wool and tell them they get a medal for coming second in football match as long as they chase the ball. The best coaches get the best out of their players and most Gen Ys would be useless for Neil Warnock or similar traditional English Approach.
Seri seems a very typical millennial to me, he was wrapped in cotton wool in france told his awesome for coming fourth, third and eighth which is when he played his best. I would note other countries including France where I have lived are much less critical of players and focus more on what players did right than wrong. Seri would find England a massive shock, and it seems to have had a terrible impact devaluing Fulham's asset (ie Seri) significantly.
In terms of single out Seri, i think it's unfair, as Seri is far from the only "fair-weather player" in the squad, by guess its about half the squad (especially some of the promoted 17/18 squad that played well in the second half of the season only when the weather was good). And, as for Fulham paying Seri's wages there is nothing Fulham can do to stop that unless he gets a better offer to leave with pay rise and Fulham agree.
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
I've coached gen X and millennials (gen Y) football teams. Tell a Gen X he is useless and needs to grow a pair, then he'll grow a pair and prove you that he deserves a starting place. I never told a Gen Y player he is useless, but even suggesting that a player is not contributing as much as he should, he'll start crying, then won't chase the ball and prove to you that he wasn't useless before you said anything as he is contributing much less now. With millennials you need to wrap them up in cotton wool and tell them they get a medal for coming second in football match as long as they chase the ball. The best coaches get the best out of their players and most Gen Ys would be useless for Neil Warnock or similar traditional English Approach.
Seri seems a very typical millennial to me, he was wrapped in cotton wool in france told his awesome for coming fourth, third and eighth which is when he played his best. I would note other countries including France where I have lived are much less critical of players and focus more on what players did right than wrong. Seri would find England a massive shock, and it seems to have had a terrible impact devaluing Fulham's asset (ie Seri) significantly.
In terms of single out Seri, i think it's unfair, as Seri is far from the only "fair-weather player" in the squad, by guess its about half the squad (especially some of the promoted 17/18 squad that played well in the second half of the season only when the weather was good). And, as for Fulham paying Seri's wages there is nothing Fulham can do to stop that unless he gets a better offer to leave with pay rise and Fulham agree.
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
That's the spirit, glad to hear you admit Seri is a fair weather player, which is as good a reason as any to get him off the books and send him away with a flee in his ear 👂😁
You cannot get Seri off the books from an FFP perspective until another DOF gives him a better offer to leave.
If you just want him out of the club, let him keep holiday in France or let him train by himself in Richmond Park.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
I've coached gen X and millennials (gen Y) football teams. Tell a Gen X he is useless and needs to grow a pair, then he'll grow a pair and prove you that he deserves a starting place. I never told a Gen Y player he is useless, but even suggesting that a player is not contributing as much as he should, he'll start crying, then won't chase the ball and prove to you that he wasn't useless before you said anything as he is contributing much less now. With millennials you need to wrap them up in cotton wool and tell them they get a medal for coming second in football match as long as they chase the ball. The best coaches get the best out of their players and most Gen Ys would be useless for Neil Warnock or similar traditional English Approach.
Seri seems a very typical millennial to me, he was wrapped in cotton wool in france told his awesome for coming fourth, third and eighth which is when he played his best. I would note other countries including France where I have lived are much less critical of players and focus more on what players did right than wrong. Seri would find England a massive shock, and it seems to have had a terrible impact devaluing Fulham's asset (ie Seri) significantly.
In terms of single out Seri, i think it's unfair, as Seri is far from the only "fair-weather player" in the squad, by guess its about half the squad (especially some of the promoted 17/18 squad that played well in the second half of the season only when the weather was good). And, as for Fulham paying Seri's wages there is nothing Fulham can do to stop that unless he gets a better offer to leave with pay rise and Fulham agree.
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
I would have thought there has to be a national shortage of cotton wool by now as you have wrapped a ton of it around Seri and all the fair weather players you have sponsored.
Nevertheless all joking aside, these kind of players have been expensive errors of judgement but I do not see anyone held responsible, just a diet of excuses.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
I've coached gen X and millennials (gen Y) football teams. Tell a Gen X he is useless and needs to grow a pair, then he'll grow a pair and prove you that he deserves a starting place. I never told a Gen Y player he is useless, but even suggesting that a player is not contributing as much as he should, he'll start crying, then won't chase the ball and prove to you that he wasn't useless before you said anything as he is contributing much less now. With millennials you need to wrap them up in cotton wool and tell them they get a medal for coming second in football match as long as they chase the ball. The best coaches get the best out of their players and most Gen Ys would be useless for Neil Warnock or similar traditional English Approach.
Seri seems a very typical millennial to me, he was wrapped in cotton wool in france told his awesome for coming fourth, third and eighth which is when he played his best. I would note other countries including France where I have lived are much less critical of players and focus more on what players did right than wrong. Seri would find England a massive shock, and it seems to have had a terrible impact devaluing Fulham's asset (ie Seri) significantly.
In terms of single out Seri, i think it's unfair, as Seri is far from the only "fair-weather player" in the squad, by guess its about half the squad (especially some of the promoted 17/18 squad that played well in the second half of the season only when the weather was good). And, as for Fulham paying Seri's wages there is nothing Fulham can do to stop that unless he gets a better offer to leave with pay rise and Fulham agree.
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
That's the spirit, glad to hear you admit Seri is a fair weather player, which is as good a reason as any to get him off the books and send him away with a flee in his ear 👂😁
I really don't see the point in bringing back Seri (and his big salary) if he is not ready to/able to/good enough to play regularly in Premier League. He managed 2-3 good games for us last time out and has well documented problems with ingrowing toenails (and or) chilblains which he has said prevent him playing in cold weather - not just a Tuesday night up in Burnley! Whether or not Tony is ready to admit he was an ill judged signing I don't know (probably not!) However, if we can arrange some kind of swap deal from Galatasaray for Babel then I would snap their hands off
Maybe Scotty has seen enough of them when he himself was a player and backs his own man management & coaching skills to bring out their potential?
Quote from: copthornemike on August 26, 2020, 10:53:05 AM
Maybe Scotty has seen enough of them when he himself was a player and backs his own man management & coaching skills to bring out their potential?
Perhaps he has a cure for ingrowing toenails and chilblains?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
"most likely scenario"? How's mawson/seri going to achieve that? By dropping a division and going to Turkey respectively? I think all players are aware that they're incredibly lucky to be earning what they do for what is relatively an easy job. Certainly the ones I've spoken to.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
If Seri does go abroad again, be it on loan or signing permanently for another club, it is my view the players he leaves behind at Motspur Park who are going to be featuring for us this season won't give a second thought to where he's gone or how much he may be earning because none of them would consider trading their opportunity to play in the Premier League to be wherever Seri ends up.
And even if your assessment of the players' mindset were correct, wouldn't the revolt have happened last summer when, I assume, those who stayed saw their wages cut following relegation, while Seri, by going out on loan, took less of a shortfall? And now we're a Premier League club again, if the players were as envious as you suggest, wouldn't they resent that Seri's wage packet will (I'm assuming again) go back up to its reported £66,000 per week despite that he contributed nothing to our promotion season whereas they gave everything? If the players are as focused on comparing their earnings to Seri's as you would have me believe, it seems to me it would be better for morale if he were nowhere near the training ground.
I even wonder whether your suggestion that he be made to train with the Under-23 squad can be enforced. I suspect Seri may be able to challenge this in law on the grounds the Club, having offered him his high-earning contract, cannot then punish him for it (which is what your idea boils down to).
Quote from: Arthur on August 26, 2020, 01:11:15 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
If Seri does go abroad again, be it on loan or signing permanently for another club, it is my view the players he leaves behind at Motspur Park who are going to be featuring for us this season won't give a second thought to where he's gone or how much he may be earning because none of them would consider trading their opportunity to play in the Premier League to be wherever Seri ends up.
And even if your assessment of the players' mindset were correct, wouldn't the revolt have happened last summer when, I assume, those who stayed saw their wages cut following relegation, while Seri, by going out on loan, took less of a shortfall? And now we're a Premier League club again, if the players were as envious as you suggest, wouldn't they resent that Seri's wage packet will (I'm assuming again) go back up to its reported £66,000 per week despite that he contributed nothing to our promotion season whereas they gave everything? If the players are as focused on comparing their earnings to Seri's as you would have me believe, it seems to me it would be better for morale if he were nowhere near the training ground.
100% this. Brilliantly put.
It's a shame re. Seri as I do think he could work in Parker's system and there were flashes when he first joined (before the court case or the cold weather... There is definitely a player there) but I just can't see a way back for him in the dressing room. We might get away with Anguissa coming back as in the interim he has gone and performed really well at a higher level. The players can almost forgive him not staying and support the promotion push given that he would actively help them in staying up. But it seems different with Seri. I would question his desire and motivation (to be at the club and more generally, given the cold weather stuff and the form away from the club).
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Having a longer holiday makes sense, as I really think Seri would be better to start in the squad rather than on the bench, work his way to the bench, get some game time at end of a game and maybe start later in the season against Man City (or any game we are likely to lose).
Seri seems like he needs fans behind him, and if he starts early in the season this won't happen, other players need to have their chance first and he needs to win fans over. If we win three of the first nine games, Seri probably won't be required to start, but if we lose six in a row his name will be coming up as he has some real talent in his boots that hasn't been used the right way yet.
What seri needs is a good face to face talk telling him to grow a pair get his backside into gear and start showing the right application and commitment, instead of your namby pamby suggestion of wrapping him up in cotton wool whilst paying him a small fortune in wages.
But of course he won't do what I recommend because he has not got what it takes. As for what you suggest is one of the many reasons we were humiliated the last time we were relegated.
Have you not learnt anything about teams with soft underbellys who field fair weather players who hardly ever punch their weight.
I've coached gen X and millennials (gen Y) football teams. Tell a Gen X he is useless and needs to grow a pair, then he'll grow a pair and prove you that he deserves a starting place. I never told a Gen Y player he is useless, but even suggesting that a player is not contributing as much as he should, he'll start crying, then won't chase the ball and prove to you that he wasn't useless before you said anything as he is contributing much less now. With millennials you need to wrap them up in cotton wool and tell them they get a medal for coming second in football match as long as they chase the ball. The best coaches get the best out of their players and most Gen Ys would be useless for Neil Warnock or similar traditional English Approach.
Seri seems a very typical millennial to me, he was wrapped in cotton wool in france told his awesome for coming fourth, third and eighth which is when he played his best. I would note other countries including France where I have lived are much less critical of players and focus more on what players did right than wrong. Seri would find England a massive shock, and it seems to have had a terrible impact devaluing Fulham's asset (ie Seri) significantly.
In terms of single out Seri, i think it's unfair, as Seri is far from the only "fair-weather player" in the squad, by guess its about half the squad (especially some of the promoted 17/18 squad that played well in the second half of the season only when the weather was good). And, as for Fulham paying Seri's wages there is nothing Fulham can do to stop that unless he gets a better offer to leave with pay rise and Fulham agree.
I'd love to know how the dressing room is when players like Cairney and Bryan are earning less than Robinson, while Seri gets a big pay rise to leave for basically being a "fair weather player". If we find Seri a better offer, my guess is "fair weather players" will multiple in number at the club as players realise the best way to stay in the top tier and get a pay rise is to be let go by the club.
If Mawson and Seri are the players that get the two biggest pay rises this season which is the most likely scenario now, I wonder it will improve the dressing room and create a fighting the Fulham badge attitude. I honestly think telling a player to train with under 23s is better motivations for the other players, than finding him a better contract at a new club.
I would have thought there has to be a national shortage of cotton wool by now as you have wrapped a ton of it around Seri and all the fair weather players you have sponsored.
Nevertheless all joking aside, these kind of players have been expensive errors of judgement but I do not see anyone held responsible, just a diet of excuses.
I must say Woolly at the time of purchase Seri was considered by most of the football world as an excellent buy, as much as our DOF has made a few errors, it's not his fault if a players decides not to perform when he goes across those white lines.
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
What shall we tell them next??
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 26, 2020, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
What shall we tell them next??
Hah. I've often wondered if we could arrange something behind the scenes, a ITK transfer rumour and let it play out on the board appearing to be true, just to see if it then made the gossip columns.
Messi confirms he's tired of spanish cuisine and would like to play near Fishers where he can get a very good cod, chips and mushy peas for the post-game munchies...
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 26, 2020, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
What shall we tell them next??
Hah. I've often wondered if we could arrange something behind the scenes, a ITK transfer rumour and let it play out on the board appearing to be true, just to see if it then made the gossip columns.
Messi confirms he's tired of spanish cuisine and would like to play near Fishers where he can get a very good cod, chips and mushy peas for the post-game munchies...
it was tried many moons ago with on tiff with a Briggs to arsenal story, nothing ever came of it
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
He posted on Instagram that he was in the South of France a few weeks ago .
As an aside, I'd urge people not to look at his Instagram account. It will not endear him to English fans. If Harvey Elliott's haircut had a social media account, it would look something like Anguissa's. Lots of designer gear and rap music. If you've seen Kongolo's social media, imagine that buf possibly a bit worse (which until now I didnt think possible).
Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2020, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
He posted on Instagram that he was in the South of France a few weeks ago .
As an aside, I'd urge people not to look at his Instagram account. It will not endear him to English fans. If Harvey Elliott's haircut had a social media account, it would look something like Anguissa's. Lots of designer gear and rap music. If you've seen Kongolo's social media, imagine that buf possibly a bit worse (which until now I didnt think possible).
Hah. I can imagine the horror...
Though, that said, I'm not sure what's worse - all that stuff or the team singing Robbie Williams - Angels, Oasis and the hits from 1995 after the final.
I'm putting in the box that I'm too old to understand. And I'm increasingly comfortable with that!
I suspect neither Seri nor Zambo will play for us next season.
Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2020, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already but reports state Anguissa took his end of season break back home in France 🇫🇷 which would then require a quarantine period which may explain his absence from the training pics.
Said reports more than likely took their info from this very thread. If you look a few posts back that was discussed (and increasingly sports 'journalists' take info from fan forums).
He posted on Instagram that he was in the South of France a few weeks ago .
As an aside, I'd urge people not to look at his Instagram account. It will not endear him to English fans. If Harvey Elliott's haircut had a social media account, it would look something like Anguissa's. Lots of designer gear and rap music. If you've seen Kongolo's social media, imagine that buf possibly a bit worse (which until now I didnt think possible).
I don't understand. (Maybe it's because I'm American) I've seen his instagram account. Did he say something negative about the UK that I missed?
Quote from: RoyTund on August 26, 2020, 08:41:17 PM
I suspect neither Seri nor Zambo will play for us next season.
I fear you are correct. We could lose a lot of money selling Seri, then not get Reed and spend a heap of money getting midfield replacements that haven't played premier league. Draining us financially, so we only have enough money in defense for a two players a new CB and a new RB, then if one of those or Hector don't adjust to premier league we are leaking goals again.
We should keep Seri as a squad player and save money by not selling him for a lose, spending every cent on multiple centre backs so hopefully TK gets one or two correct. Unless, we have two good premier league centre backs out of those we buy and proven championship centre back Hector (ie unproven in premier league and Bundasliga failure), we will be relegated by Christmas (ie Ream plays every game we go down).
If our centre backs are good enough, we will be still in the relegation battle by the winter transfer window, if they are the worst in the premier league it will be too late to stay up by Jan 2021.
Don't waste money replacing Seri, we have enough talent in midfield. Besides last time our points per game were marginally better with Seri in the starting XI (20 points in 24 starts) vs not starting (6 points in 14 starts).
If players are injuried, Seri as our 5th best central midfielder is a decent option, but Ream cannot be our squads 2nd or 3rd best centre back, Ream is a squad player like Seri no better, and CB is a more important position too in a relegation battle. I wouldn't be disappointed if TK bought kept the existing centre backs and brought three more centre backs in. TK can sell the excess in the winter and buy more wingers then if he wants, right now we need to add players that can achieve clean sheets.
IF (big if) we sell Zambo then it would seem like we're going to make a profit, which you'd think would be reinvested into other players. Reed and Lemina being imminent signings are positives as it fills two important gaps, but it would then mean we're probably 1 CM short and would either have to get Arter back (viable for depth) or splash out on another player. We're not short of money and £20m+ can be spent on reinforcements but unless he says he wants to leave, I have a feeling it would take a serious offer for us to part ways, based on the fact that Parker clearly rates him and TK has already insinuated on Twitter that the club values him heavily.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2020, 12:58:24 AM
IF (big if) we sell Zambo then it would seem like we're going to make a profit, which you'd think would be reinvested into other players. Reed and Lemina being imminent signings are positives as it fills two important gaps, but it would then mean we're probably 1 CM short and would either have to get Arter back (viable for depth) or splash out on another player. We're not short of money and £20m+ can be spent on reinforcements but unless he says he wants to leave, I have a feeling it would take a serious offer for us to part ways, based on the fact that Parker clearly rates him and TK has already insinuated on Twitter that the club values him heavily.
If we sell Anguissa for less than his worth, then it's a mistake.
If we sell Anguissa for what he is worth, then reinvest it in equally good players that don't the premier league or squad, then it's a mistake.
If we sell Anguissa for more than he's worth and reinvest it into worst players, then it's a mistake.
All likely scenarios.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 27, 2020, 01:27:16 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2020, 12:58:24 AM
IF (big if) we sell Zambo then it would seem like we're going to make a profit, which you'd think would be reinvested into other players. Reed and Lemina being imminent signings are positives as it fills two important gaps, but it would then mean we're probably 1 CM short and would either have to get Arter back (viable for depth) or splash out on another player. We're not short of money and £20m+ can be spent on reinforcements but unless he says he wants to leave, I have a feeling it would take a serious offer for us to part ways, based on the fact that Parker clearly rates him and TK has already insinuated on Twitter that the club values him heavily.
If we sell Anguissa for less than his worth, then it's a mistake.
If we sell Anguissa for what he is worth, then reinvest it in equally good players that don't the premier league or squad, then it's a mistake.
If we sell Anguissa for more than he's worth and reinvest it into worst players, then it's a mistake.
All likely scenarios.
Scenario one is unlikely considering how much TK values Anguissa.
Scenario two doesn't make any sense based on what you've written
Scenario three is a risk yes, but it's a risk that every club has when trying to sell a player and replace them, not unique to us
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 27, 2020, 01:27:16 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2020, 12:58:24 AM
IF (big if) we sell Zambo then it would seem like we're going to make a profit, which you'd think would be reinvested into other players. Reed and Lemina being imminent signings are positives as it fills two important gaps, but it would then mean we're probably 1 CM short and would either have to get Arter back (viable for depth) or splash out on another player. We're not short of money and £20m+ can be spent on reinforcements but unless he says he wants to leave, I have a feeling it would take a serious offer for us to part ways, based on the fact that Parker clearly rates him and TK has already insinuated on Twitter that the club values him heavily.
If we sell Anguissa for less than his worth, then it's a mistake.
If we sell Anguissa for what he is worth, then reinvest it in equally good players that don't the premier league or squad, then it's a mistake.
If we sell Anguissa for more than he's worth and reinvest it into worst players, then it's a mistake.
All likely scenarios.
Unfortunately it appears unless the player has decided to show full commitment to Fulham then the biggest mistake of all that you have missed out has already been made which is buying him in the first place.
