With Tete here. A out and out right back no less.
For me unless we are hit with injuries to Tete and others like Odoi.
Ola has I think been brought in to play in Wide midfield/ Attacking Mid. Replacing Stefan and competition to Onomah.
People who claim he is here to be a CB or full back should note whilst he can and has played there.
His natural position is wide and more attacking. Plus I've read much to suggest 'defending' is a weakness. Although he does seem combative. But is that combative like Stefan. As in willing to put his foot in, but that is not the same as the art of defending that a Defender in the backline requires.
He's meant to have some genuine pace doesn't he, so yes play him left or right of the front 3. Let's see what he's got. It's not like we are strong in those positions anyway, so nothing to lose.
I don't understand why this is such a common opinion on here, he has hardly played higher up the pitch than wingback.
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:01:10 AM
I don't understand why this is such a common opinion on here, he has hardly played higher up the pitch than wingback.
there isn't much difference between wing back to winger is there really, infact lots of teams do use attacker wingers as wing backs, and if you look at Ainas interview video, he says on it that he likes to attack but can do the dirty work.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:01:10 AM
I don't understand why this is such a common opinion on here, he has hardly played higher up the pitch than wingback.
there isn't much difference between wing back to winger is there really, infact lots of teams do use attacker wingers as wing backs, and if you look at Ainas interview video, he says on it that he likes to attack but can do the dirty work.
Antonee Robinson also said that he is really attacking and wants to whip in lots of crosses and score goals and that he can also do defense. I don't take that to mean that he was signed to be a winger.
Almost every modern fullback says the same thing.
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:28:01 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:01:10 AM
I don't understand why this is such a common opinion on here, he has hardly played higher up the pitch than wingback.
there isn't much difference between wing back to winger is there really, infact lots of teams do use attacker wingers as wing backs, and if you look at Ainas interview video, he says on it that he likes to attack but can do the dirty work.
Antonee Robinson also said that he is really attacking and wants to whip in lots of crosses and score goals and that he can also do defense. I don't take that to mean that he was signed to be a winger.
Almost every modern fullback says the same thing.
but you yourself said he has played wing back, which is basically a winger that defends. There are lots of examples of full backs playing further up, and Bryan himself did it last season. We are not blessed with attacking options of quality, so let's see what he's got.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
but you yourself said he has played wing back, which is basically a winger that defends. There are lots of examples of full backs playing further up, and Bryan himself did it last season. We are not blessed with attacking options of quality, so let's see what he's got.
But Aina hasn't played as a winger. He has played as a fullback and a wingback. Antonee Robinson also played as a wingback when at Bolton. I still only see people expecting Aina to have been signed as an attacking midfielder, but not Robinson.
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
but you yourself said he has played wing back, which is basically a winger that defends. There are lots of examples of full backs playing further up, and Bryan himself did it last season. We are not blessed with attacking options of quality, so let's see what he's got.
But Aina hasn't played as a winger. He has played as a fullback and a wingback. Antonee Robinson also played as a wingback when at Bolton. I still only see people expecting Aina to have been signed as an attacking midfielder, but not Robinson.
i don't know anyone who thinks he signed as an attacking midfielder, I just want to see him play there as our options are limited. Especially against Ipswich. Just want to see him play
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
but you yourself said he has played wing back, which is basically a winger that defends. There are lots of examples of full backs playing further up, and Bryan himself did it last season. We are not blessed with attacking options of quality, so let's see what he's got.
But Aina hasn't played as a winger. He has played as a fullback and a wingback. Antonee Robinson also played as a wingback when at Bolton. I still only see people expecting Aina to have been signed as an attacking midfielder, but not Robinson.
i don't know anyone who thinks he signed as an attacking midfielder, I just want to see him play there as our options are limited. Especially against Ipswich. Just want to see him play
I'll just quote the first post in this thread: "Ola has I think been brought in to play in Wide midfield/ Attacking Mid. Replacing Stefan and competition to Onomah."
I think Aina could do a job higher up, but I don't think he was signed as an attacking midfielder.
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
but you yourself said he has played wing back, which is basically a winger that defends. There are lots of examples of full backs playing further up, and Bryan himself did it last season. We are not blessed with attacking options of quality, so let's see what he's got.
But Aina hasn't played as a winger. He has played as a fullback and a wingback. Antonee Robinson also played as a wingback when at Bolton. I still only see people expecting Aina to have been signed as an attacking midfielder, but not Robinson.
i don't know anyone who thinks he signed as an attacking midfielder, I just want to see him play there as our options are limited. Especially against Ipswich. Just want to see him play
I'll just quote the first post in this thread: "Ola has I think been brought in to play in Wide midfield/ Attacking Mid. Replacing Stefan and competition to Onomah."
I think Aina could do a job higher up, but I don't think he was signed as an attacking midfielder.
fair point. Well I don't believe that's why he bought, but I would like to see him play there tomorrow to get some game time and just to have a look at him.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Tabby on September 15, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
but you yourself said he has played wing back, which is basically a winger that defends. There are lots of examples of full backs playing further up, and Bryan himself did it last season. We are not blessed with attacking options of quality, so let's see what he's got.
But Aina hasn't played as a winger. He has played as a fullback and a wingback. Antonee Robinson also played as a wingback when at Bolton. I still only see people expecting Aina to have been signed as an attacking midfielder, but not Robinson.
i don't know anyone who thinks he signed as an attacking midfielder, I just want to see him play there as our options are limited. Especially against Ipswich. Just want to see him play
I would play him in front of Tete personally in a 4-2-3-1, or if we go 3-5-2 as a wing back
Aina has mostly played left midfield for the last two years.
IMO Aina, Bryan and Robinson could all be used as wingers.
Think both were signed as RB's, and that they will get a few minutes under their belts tonight.
I'd like to see Aina and Robinson playing in front of Tete and Bryan. Could give us some good defensive stability plus some genuine pace going forward. We would probably then need more of a support striker / no. 10 to play between the midfield and Mitro and getting into the box because neither of them are really wide forwards. Onomah could possibly do this role.
Well we are obviously confused as to how Aina is going to fit in, lets just hope TK and Parker communicated before he was signed and that Parker has something in mind.
Wolves are a good example of a team who play with attacking wing backs. Traore is a winger but often played rwb very successfully last season, Doherty and jonny also were very attacking. Maybe we will see us play this at some point this season
I tell you what Let's leave it up to the manager to decide!
Sorry but I just cannot believe some of the opinions on here.
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 15, 2020, 01:32:01 PM
Think both were signed as RB's, and that they will get a few minutes under their belts tonight.
Rather save them for tomorrow night.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on September 15, 2020, 04:42:57 PM
I tell you what Let's leave it up to the manager to decide!
Sorry but I just cannot believe some of the opinions on here.
If this thread is too much we should probably just shut down the forum. It is just speculation.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on September 15, 2020, 04:42:57 PM
I tell you what Let's leave it up to the manager to decide!
Sorry but I just cannot believe some of the opinions on here.
99% of this forum is opinions. If we just wanted facts without debate then surely we would just look on the official Fulham web page. Surely you must have some opinions of your own, as to wear Alina might slot in to our team
Aina and Tete will play Right Back and rotate depending on the opponent we are facing, Aina is much more attacking than Tete so expect him to play against the weaker sides. Tete is more solid defensively so expect him against the top 6
I am 90% sure this is what will happen and is our plan. Anyone who thinks Aina or Robinson were signed to play winger is IMO mistaken
Quote from: @jolslover on September 15, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
Aina and Tete will play Right Back and rotate depending on the opponent we are facing, Aina is much more attacking than Tete so expect him to play against the weaker sides. Tete is more solid defensively so expect him against the top 6
I am 90% sure this is what will happen and is our plan. Anyone who thinks Aina or Robinson were signed to play winger is IMO mistaken
Aina can play further forward though, even against the better teams I would play Bryan at LW and Aina at RW because then it means all your wide players can defend. Plus Aina is rapid and played further forward previously so wouldn't be out of place at RW
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 15, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 15, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
Aina and Tete will play Right Back and rotate depending on the opponent we are facing, Aina is much more attacking than Tete so expect him to play against the weaker sides. Tete is more solid defensively so expect him against the top 6
I am 90% sure this is what will happen and is our plan. Anyone who thinks Aina or Robinson were signed to play winger is IMO mistaken
Aina can play further forward though, even against the better teams I would play Bryan at LW and Aina at RW because then it means all your wide players can defend. Plus Aina is rapid and played further forward previously so wouldn't be out of place at RW
Aina has played LM and RM yes but in a 5 at the back system as a wing back. He has never played RW at a 433 and I would be surprised if the plan was to start him there.
If we started prem games with 6 defenders on the pitch (Bryan and Aina at LW and RW) I would be dissapointed.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 15, 2020, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 15, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 15, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
Aina and Tete will play Right Back and rotate depending on the opponent we are facing, Aina is much more attacking than Tete so expect him to play against the weaker sides. Tete is more solid defensively so expect him against the top 6
I am 90% sure this is what will happen and is our plan. Anyone who thinks Aina or Robinson were signed to play winger is IMO mistaken
Aina can play further forward though, even against the better teams I would play Bryan at LW and Aina at RW because then it means all your wide players can defend. Plus Aina is rapid and played further forward previously so wouldn't be out of place at RW
Aina has played LM and RM yes but in a 5 at the back system as a wing back. He has never played RW at a 433 and I would be surprised if the plan was to start him there.
If we started prem games with 6 defenders on the pitch (Bryan and Aina at LW and RW) I would be dissapointed.
we are splitting hairs again. playing as a wing back, winger or wide in our 433 system are neigh on identical roles. we do not play a proper 433 like wimledon used to with 3 actual strikers, and our wide players in that role are expected to get up and down the pitch as much as any winger would. which is pretty much what a wing back does, without the added protection behind him. so yes, players who play in one of those positions, should easily be able to slot into one of the other two
Quote from: fulhamben on September 15, 2020, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 15, 2020, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 15, 2020, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 15, 2020, 05:43:29 PM
Aina and Tete will play Right Back and rotate depending on the opponent we are facing, Aina is much more attacking than Tete so expect him to play against the weaker sides. Tete is more solid defensively so expect him against the top 6
I am 90% sure this is what will happen and is our plan. Anyone who thinks Aina or Robinson were signed to play winger is IMO mistaken
Aina can play further forward though, even against the better teams I would play Bryan at LW and Aina at RW because then it means all your wide players can defend. Plus Aina is rapid and played further forward previously so wouldn't be out of place at RW
Aina has played LM and RM yes but in a 5 at the back system as a wing back. He has never played RW at a 433 and I would be surprised if the plan was to start him there.
If we started prem games with 6 defenders on the pitch (Bryan and Aina at LW and RW) I would be dissapointed.
we are splitting hairs again. playing as a wing back, winger or wide in our 433 system are neigh on identical roles. we do not play a proper 433 like wimledon used to with 3 actual strikers, and our wide players in that role are expected to get up and down the pitch as much as any winger would. which is pretty much what a wing back does, without the added protection behind him. so yes, players who play in one of those positions, should easily be able to slot into one of the other two
Tete seems so defensive that he could play on the right side of a back 3 in a 3-5-2 (thereby if we pick up a stellar CB it would be him, Hector and new CB), with Aina as the Wing-Back, or on the Right in a 4 man defensive line against top 6 sides. I also like the idea of Bryan/Robinson as LB/LW and Tete/Aina as RB/RW, perhaps that would be the best for defensive solidity, as well as speed on the counterattack. Also, as Winger they might be our best crossers, good for Mitro.
We have played 433 consistently now since Kit Symons. I don't think we are going to change formation no matter how many times people suggest it here
Tony Khan bought two decent right backs in 2018 (TFM and Christie), neither did as well as expected. Hopefully, by bringing in two right backs results in one being brilliant and the other being decent. If we can integrate a top right back into the team by Christmas, fixing our defense in the winter transfer window will be much easier.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 16, 2020, 03:25:03 AM
Tony Khan bought two decent right backs in 2018 (TFM and Christie), neither did as well as expected. Hopefully, by bringing in two right backs results in one being brilliant and the other being decent. If we can integrate a top right back into the team by Christmas, fixing our defense in the winter transfer window will be much easier.
if we havent fixed our defence is this window, then there will be no point trying to do it in the winter window.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 16, 2020, 07:49:12 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 16, 2020, 03:25:03 AM
Tony Khan bought two decent right backs in 2018 (TFM and Christie), neither did as well as expected. Hopefully, by bringing in two right backs results in one being brilliant and the other being decent. If we can integrate a top right back into the team by Christmas, fixing our defense in the winter transfer window will be much easier.
if we havent fixed our defence is this window, then there will be no point trying to do it in the winter window.
No doubt the 'winter window' will be extended too.
IIRC Christie played the more advanced role for Republic of Ireland but it wasn't especially successful in a poor side. The key to flank success is making the partnerships work as in combinong Robinson with e.g.Bryan or Odoi, until you have a pairing that works well and supports the rest of the side when attacking or defending. Parker needs to determine who his pacemaker is to be so that we get tempo and rhythm right.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 16, 2020, 03:25:03 AM
If we can integrate a top right back into the team by Christmas, fixing our defense in the winter transfer window will be much easier.
If CBs are not brought in before this window shuts, we will be well adrift of safety by Christmas and then, much like 18/19, the owners will not want to throw good money after bad (as we'll be all but down realistically) and it will be a couple of cheapo token signings a la Nordveit and Markovic.
It's do or die in the next two weeks, I'm afraid.
Well all should be revealed at about 6-30pm tonight when the team is announced to face Ipswich , I expect Aerola, Lemina, Robinsin, Tete and Aina to be in the starting eleven. Parker needs to know if any of the five new signings are worthy of a place in he team to face Leeds on Saturday.
Having watched Tete, I think he's our starting right back. He looked great at both ends of the pitch.
I'm intrigued to see whether Aina carries the attacking threat to play further forward, I guess we'll wait and see.
