a new contract just after you have been promoted and before you have seen what he can do in the premiership
Jus text my mate the same thing. utter lunacy. Stuck with this rubbishh or an expensive payout.
I imagine there will be get out clauses based on performance. Khan Sr is quite shrewd.
One question who has been making the mistakes today on the pitch, the players or manager.
Quote from: Milo on September 19, 2020, 04:20:05 PM
I imagine there will be get out clauses based on performance. Khan Sr is quite shrewd.
It's Khan jnr who's the one who keeps making decisions. Haven't yet genuinely enjoyed a season under the khan's ownership.
We shouldn't be this far behind leeds - we got promoted with them.
How they had that much space for their first and 4 goals is shocking and beyond me.
Well done Reid for the second. A glimmer of hope.
Not even sure it is the manager. Our players have been poo under 3 managers in the Prem.
It's not the manager, or not just the manager, so far we have scored three away in this match.
Our defence cannot be defended, it is abysmal.
A manager to an extent is only as good as the players under him, and due to the incompetence of the D of F Scott and the players and the supporters have been let down yet again.
But game isn't over yet.
It's not his fault that our team make 4 horrific errors, ask Hector why he did what he did for the first, third and fourth goals, and why Bryan pushed sausage boy when he wasn't even going to win the header for the penalty. We need two good CB's, that's on the transfer team not Parker
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
result ended up the same in case you missed it, we lost. villa is a must win game now imo
It's not negativity
It's just realism
And people's analysis on a message board
Our defending was inexcusable today
Individuals making mistakes just look at the mistakes leeds have made in their 2 games and nobody is asking for Bielsa to go .
Odoi and Bryan are not pl standard simple as and startind to doubt Hector .
But Credit to the rest because they kept going and they do that for Parker .
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
a new contract just after you have been promoted and before you have seen what he can do in the premiership
Nonsense. We played quite well. Let down mostly by Hector and also a lack of fitness from Tete, who didn't track back. The tactics were spot on and I don't say that often about Parker.
Quote from: Baszab on September 19, 2020, 05:03:02 PM
It's not negativity
It's just realism
And people's analysis on a message board
Our defending was inexcusable today
yep, im not even saying sack him, im saying it was stupid to give out a big contract before the first ten games at least
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
result ended up the same in case you missed it, we lost. villa is a must win game now imo
On to Villa then. We fought from 4-1 down. I wouldn't see that happening under other Managers, even Joka.
There's enough blame to go around.
Parker can't be blamed for Hector failing to clear the ball at the corner for their first, and has very little to do with Bryan's calamity.
But he can be blamed for the complete lack of defensive shape that allowed them to score their 2nd and 3rd. Hector should have done a lot better for the Bamford goal, but the team can't be set up to be that easily shredded directly from losing the aerial battle off a goal kick. And yeah Hector's flying up to halfway (and Tete being in no man's land) was crazy, but if players keep on making the same type of mistakes then it is a failure of tactics and coaching.
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure as to why we never got close enough to challenging for automatics (in a pretty weak championship) with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure of why we failed to seal automatics with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
We were dull last season, but you couldn't call us dull today.
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure of why we failed to seal automatics with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
We were indeed dull last season. If I had to characterize Parker's approach, it would be 'CAREFUL'. We weren't exciting but we were organized and solid. and yes, adjustments need to certainly be made. But if I am balancing my apprehensions about Parker(which there are some, similar to yours) and the credit he definitely deserves, I don't see any reason why he should be receiving blame for the outcome of this match. I support him.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure of why we failed to seal automatics with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
We were dull last season, but you couldn't call us dull today.
I didn't and it certainly wasn't dull! It was very much so at 4-1 but fair play, the sub for BDR made a big difference, which on past form none of us saw coming. That said Kebano was really poor again which is sad to see. He worked hard to track back when losing the ball but looks out his depth at the moment. Rooting for him to turn it around but really hoping we find an exciting winger before the end of the window
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
We did look surprisingly dull. If I had to characterize Parker's approach, it would be 'CAREFUL'. We weren't exciting but we were organized and solid. and yes, adjustments need to certainly be made. But if I am balancing my apprehensions about Parker(which there are some, similar to yours) and the credit he definitely deserves, I don't see any reason why he should be receiving blame for the outcome of this match. I support him.
Still thinks Parker needs to get someone in to help him with attacking movement. It gets very static once we reach the final third.
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure of why we failed to seal automatics with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
We were dull last season, but you couldn't call us dull today.
I didn't and it certainly wasn't dull! It was very much so at 4-1 but fair play, the sub for BDR made a big difference, which on past form none of us saw coming. That said Kebano was really poor again which is sad to see. He worked hard to track back when losing the ball but looks out his depth at the moment. Rooting for him to turn it around but really hoping we find an exciting winger before the end of the window
He nearly scored and got past his man several times. He's no Messi, but he's okay.
We do need to improve our quality on the wing but I think he's one of the most productive wingers we have.
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure of why we failed to seal automatics with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
We were indeed dull last season. If I had to characterize Parker's approach, it would be 'CAREFUL'. We weren't exciting but we were organized and solid. and yes, adjustments need to certainly be made. But if I am balancing my apprehensions about Parker(which there are some, similar to yours) and the credit he definitely deserves, I don't see any reason why he should be receiving blame for the outcome of this match. I support him.
I think he deserves some level of blame for conceding 7 in 2 games. In this game? no not soley to blame at all, but we looked all over the place at the back and it's not the first time we've said that by a long shot. Will continue to hope he becomes a top manager with us. If he proved himself in the top flight, I'd be 100% behind him getting an extended contract, but the timing of the extension for me was ill advised.
Two very tough games to start the season with a good performance today and already some are looking to blame the manager.
Come on lets all get behind Parker , he is doing well and the best we have had for a while. Give him a couple of top players now and we could survive.
Yet another managerial change and start thinking Championship.
Last week it was all Ream's fault. This week he didn't play and so it is all Parker's fault.
Some people sort of jump about all over the place when with a little more game watching from Hector (caught out again today twice) and others we could have stopped Leeds scoring a couple of their goals. That is the margins in football - they're very fine between wins and losses and Parker can do nothing from the sidelines except tolerate until he has alternatives. Sure he signed a contract because the last guy who didn't sign a contract was out the door PDQ.
I don't know, there are too many variables.
I miss the defensive coaching of hodgson. Spending time on the training ground drilling the defence - then worry about attack later.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Posted before the match had even finished? Some supporters can't help but vomit negativity and try to place blame as soon as they feel the slightest twinge of disappointment. It's an amazing way to discredit yourself.
Once again, alot of us weren't completely convinced by promotion via the playoffs and spent the vast part of last season unsure of why we failed to seal automatics with the team we had at our disposal. That's where the concern comes from, this is not just kneejerk people calling for his sacking on game 2 (I'm certainly not, he should get a chance with some new higher quality signings brought in) But despite the come back we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games and need to make some massive improvements if we are to stay in this league. Personally appreciate the job Parker did in terms of getting us promoted and in the final of the playoffs he got us performing well. But can we please not pretend the large part of the season where we looked suprisingly dull didnt happen.
I'd love for him to get us playing well and defending better, hopefully he does. But questioning the decision to give him a long deal before a ball is kicked is fair I think. But we all have our opinions
We were dull last season, but you couldn't call us dull today.
I didn't and it certainly wasn't dull! It was very much so at 4-1 but fair play, the sub for BDR made a big difference, which on past form none of us saw coming. That said Kebano was really poor again which is sad to see. He worked hard to track back when losing the ball but looks out his depth at the moment. Rooting for him to turn it around but really hoping we find an exciting winger before the end of the window
He nearly scored and got past his man several times. He's no Messi, but he's okay.
We do need to improve our quality on the wing but I think he's one of the most productive wingers we have.
Not how I saw it, will watch the replay back when its online as I may be being harsh...Yes indeed he did have the one chance that hit the post which was a good moment from him but outside of that he fluffed lines in a number of attacks which could have been more fruitful. I'm a fan of him as a guy as I've said on him before, nothing personal against him but at the moment he's running into blind alleys alot and fluffing his lines more often than not. 3 games in a row he's underperformed in my opinion and undoubtable we need to upgrade that position. Happy enough as an option on the bench for squad depth.
2 games in for this talk is way,way too soon. Typical of this board sadly sometimes.
To be fair at the time the OP put this out there is looked like we had absolutely melted, which would have been unforgivable. But we didn't - which is key. We showed real grit to drag ourselves back into it and played with urgency, plus a bit more fluidity which is definitely something to build upon. Shows we can do it in this league. That is down to SP.
We all knew before the season started that our defence won't keep us up as is - that hasn't changed. That's not down to SP.
I'm not saying is or isn't the man to keep us up - i'm saying 2 games into a 38 game season when we STILL dont have PL quality CBs to give this team a chance isn't the time to make that call on him as a manager. Utter madness and way too early to knee-jerk him out the door now when the players are evidently still playing for him - only when he's been given the adequate tools to do his job can a fair decision be made.
From what I saw, if we get the quality we need at CB / drill them as a unit / get Anguissa & Lemina fit and motivated / we play with the intensity going forwards we did in the second half then we have half a chance.
Once again would like to remind everyone that this thread is questioning the decision to give Parker an extended contract before game 1. Not the decision to keep him at the club, not calling for his sacking, just saying it does put us in a more difficult position if things dont improve. Incidently had we stormed the championship with Slav style football I'd probably feel differently about it, but even then I'd still think, hey, maybe just wait until they've proven themseleves in the top flight before jumping the gun. But again, each to thheir own, we really don't need to go round in circles about wether we should or shouldnt support the team or Parker. We wall want both to do well, but it's possible to feel that way AND at the same time suggest extending his contract at that time seems like an odd decision.
Haven't read all the above admittedly, but give the guy a chance, subs made a difference. Said on other threads it's defence that's the issue. He is learning and needs time. If we go down , keep him anyway.
Quote from: Baszab on September 19, 2020, 05:03:02 PM
It's not negativity
It's just realism
And people's analysis on a message board
Our defending was inexcusable today
Realism would indicate that it is true, and not subjective. So you are wrong, it is an subjective opinion, that can probably quite easily be taken as negative (but that is of course also subjective).
Not his fault TK hasn't bought any PL standard CBs !!
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Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
a new contract just after you have been promoted and before you have seen what he can do in the premiership
Come on now. Blame him for the squad he's assembled. Scott's tactics can work with better players.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:33:18 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
a new contract just after you have been promoted and before you have seen what he can do in the premiership
Come on now. Blame him for the squad he's assembled. Scott's tactics can work with better players.
That's what pleased me about today - the tactics. They were better than last year. We were let down by individual errors.
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:29:20 PM
Once again would like to remind everyone that this thread is questioning the decision to give Parker an extended contract before game 1. Not the decision to keep him at the club, not calling for his sacking, just saying it does put us in a more difficult position if things dont improve. Incidently had we stormed the championship with Slav style football I'd probably feel differently about it, but even then I'd still think, hey, maybe just wait until they've proven themseleves in the top flight before jumping the gun. But again, each to thheir own, we really don't need to go round in circles about wether we should or shouldnt support the team or Parker. We wall want both to do well, but it's possible to feel that way AND at the same time suggest extending his contract at that time seems like an odd decision.
Why does it matter? Paying off a 2-year contract if he's not the guy won't bankrupt us.
The point is, it boils down to the people saying that think we made a mistake giving him a 2-year contract because they think he's not up to the job. If you don't think he's up to the job, why do you not want us to sack him as early as possible and get "the right guy" in? Because he's on a 2-year contract? What does that matter? Literally hundreds, if not thousands of managers have been sack with 2 years left on their deals, makes no odds.
Quote from: jayffc on September 19, 2020, 05:29:20 PM
Once again would like to remind everyone that this thread is questioning the decision to give Parker an extended contract before game 1. Not the decision to keep him at the club, not calling for his sacking, just saying it does put us in a more difficult position if things dont improve. Incidently had we stormed the championship with Slav style football I'd probably feel differently about it, but even then I'd still think, hey, maybe just wait until they've proven themseleves in the top flight before jumping the gun. But again, each to thheir own, we really don't need to go round in circles about wether we should or shouldnt support the team or Parker. We wall want both to do well, but it's possible to feel that way AND at the same time suggest extending his contract at that time seems like an odd decision.
But giving him an extension to a contract doesn't actually stop the club sacking him or throwing him a party or going with him on a night out. The extension is just a way to make the coach feel a bit more security along with the players around him. The players will feel less likely to sod off if the coach they have been with and may like is still given a vote of confidence. Having a go at the club for doing it is simply the usual round robin approach to attacking everything the club, players and owner does whenever we have a negative result. It simply makes no sense. The contract extension didn't change what happened on the pitch or what will happen if the owners start to panic like the supporters.
I agree we don't need to keep on about supporting the club or being a fan or criticising the way the club have gone about transfers or the coach goes about tactics. But to have a go at the owners for giving the coach an extension to a contract before a ball is kicked and then attacking that decision is just nonsensical and comes over as yet another way to climb a dying tree, find a broken branch and start beating the tree with it. What is the point when there are plenty of other points far more important that make more sense to talk about.
Quote from: General on September 19, 2020, 04:23:36 PM
Quote from: Milo on September 19, 2020, 04:20:05 PM
I imagine there will be get out clauses based on performance. Khan Sr is quite shrewd.
It's Khan jnr who's the one who keeps making decisions. Haven't yet genuinely enjoyed a season under the khan's ownership.
We shouldn't be this far behind leeds - we got promoted with them.
How they had that much space for their first and 4 goals is shocking and beyond me.
Well done Reid for the second. A glimmer of hope.
I agree. he has not signed the players we need to survive, the ones we have are nowhere near good enough. other teams manage to get the players, he is very very poor because he remains a part time amateur in a shark pool.
A different group of defenders, ream haters you can't blame him. I lay the blame at a collective of SP, TK, and the coaching team the result being another rubbish defensive performance. NOT sure with this collective of staff they can put it right, we may score 3 goals but defensively off the pitch and on it its seems Fulham are clueless. The buck has to stop with the manager.
I'm learning from last season.
I spent the entire year questioning Scott, adamant we were not going up under him, and here we are in the Prem! Yep he's a rookie, yep I still question whether the team believe in him, but he's got the entire season as far as I'm concerned.
I felt promotion came too quick for this team. The squad still contains the players I was unconvinced about last time around in the Prem, and has added players that I was unconvinced about in the Championship.
So I don't expect to stay up. It's going to be a long hard season but what I hope to see is Scott grow in the role, keep developing, keep learning and try to develop a style of play and a serious competitive edge at the club (something that I saw over the last 8 games in the Championship).
It's threads like this that make me despair with the short-term views of the modern game. One or two bad results and it's sack the manager.
Let's face it, before the season kicked off we were already up there as one of the favourites to go down. That's not down to the way Scott sets the team up, it's due to the relative quality of the squad. I think the club are doing the right thing and taking the long term view, with one eye on a possible return to the Championship next season. Changing the management team halfway through the season is not going to change how likely we are to get results.
I'd much rather have some stability and grow an ethos within the team . So what if we go down again? If we build with the long term in mind then maybe next time we can make it stick.
The only time we should make a change from Parker is if it's clear that he's lost the respect of the dressing room. Changing that does make a difference and needs to be nipped in the bud. Otherwise, let's keep rebuilding with a long term approach.
Just seen his interview on BBC and respect to the guy. He doesn't want to name and shame anyone yet he realises there is a huge problem and he comes across pretty astute.
I really do hope he can fix it.
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on September 19, 2020, 05:32:27 PM
Not his fault TK hasn't bought any PL standard CBs !!
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Where are these PL standard players then?
How can you blame Scott for that? Simply individual errors from players who aren't good enough
On topic.
I'm glad we gave him the extension. Incoming players want stability. (They also want other things, but stability helps).
Quote from: Herbie on September 19, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
It's threads like this that make me despair with the short-term views of the modern game. One or two bad results and it's sack the manager.
Let's face it, before the season kicked off we were already up there as one of the favourites to go down. That's not down to the way Scott sets the team up, it's due to the relative quality of the squad. I think the club are doing the right thing and taking the long term view, with one eye on a possible return to the Championship next season. Changing the management team halfway through the season is not going to change how likely we are to get results.
I'd much rather have some stability and grow an ethos within the team . So what if we go down again? If we build with the long term in mind then maybe next time we can make it stick.
The only time we should make a change from Parker is if it's clear that he's lost the respect of the dressing room. Changing that does make a difference and needs to be nipped in the bud. Otherwise, let's keep rebuilding with a long term approach.
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Give Scott the time he has absolutely earned from last season.
Quote from: joef on September 19, 2020, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: Herbie on September 19, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
It's threads like this that make me despair with the short-term views of the modern game. One or two bad results and it's sack the manager.
Let's face it, before the season kicked off we were already up there as one of the favourites to go down. That's not down to the way Scott sets the team up, it's due to the relative quality of the squad. I think the club are doing the right thing and taking the long term view, with one eye on a possible return to the Championship next season. Changing the management team halfway through the season is not going to change how likely we are to get results.
I'd much rather have some stability and grow an ethos within the team . So what if we go down again? If we build with the long term in mind then maybe next time we can make it stick.
The only time we should make a change from Parker is if it's clear that he's lost the respect of the dressing room. Changing that does make a difference and needs to be nipped in the bud. Otherwise, let's keep rebuilding with a long term approach.
💯👆🏻
Give Scott the time he has absolutely earned from last season.
out of interest how much time would you give him, what if we lose our first 6?
Until the point it's clear he's lost the dressing room. I really hope we don't pull the trigger this season just because it looks like we're going down. If we were an established PL team that was at risk of going down then maybe, but the reality is we're not that anymore.
Quote from: Herbie on September 19, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Until the point it's clear he's lost the dressing room. I really hope we don't pull the trigger this season just because it looks like we're going down. If we were an established PL team that was at risk of going down then maybe, but the reality is we're not that anymore.
I agree with your post. I also wanted to stress that I don't think that after 2 games we're likely to go down. We haven't even invested real promotion money on any players. The window is still open.
We only need to finish higher than 3 other teams. We need to stay within striking distance.
Last season after 2 games Bournemouth was 10th in the table.
They got relegated.
Bryan isn't premiership quality (although I'll forever love him for his two goals) and needs to be replaced ASAFP.
We need one absolute top draw CB minimum, preferably 2.
However, getting/keeping Zambo and Lemina fit and in the right headspace, is now a necessity. Absolute best players on the pitch, especially Zambo (not for the first time this season).
A flying, free scoring winger is also essential.
IMO, I think the time has come to sell Mitro (I love him and think he is absolute class), he isn't fast or mobile enough for this league. We need pace. If not sell him, the Brewster from Liverpool on loan as an Owen to our Shearer.....
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 07:14:32 PM
Bryan isn't premiership quality (although I'll forever love him for his two goals) and needs to be replaced ASAFP.
We need one absolute top draw CB minimum, preferably 2.
However, getting/keeping Zambo and Lemina fit and in the right headspace, is now a necessity. Absolute best players on the pitch, especially Zambo (not for the first time this season).
A flying, free scoring winger is also essential.
IMO, I think the time has come to sell Mitro (I love him and think he is absolute class), he isn't fast or mobile enough for this league. We need pace. If not sell him, the Brewster from Liverpool on loan as an Owen to our Shearer.....
? mitro has 3 goals in two games and you want to sell him?
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 07:14:32 PM
Bryan isn't premiership quality (although I'll forever love him for his two goals) and needs to be replaced ASAFP.
We need one absolute top draw CB minimum, preferably 2.
However, getting/keeping Zambo and Lemina fit and in the right headspace, is now a necessity. Absolute best players on the pitch, especially Zambo (not for the first time this season).
A flying, free scoring winger is also essential.
IMO, I think the time has come to sell Mitro (I love him and think he is absolute class), he isn't fast or mobile enough for this league. We need pace. If not sell him, the Brewster from Liverpool on loan as an Owen to our Shearer.....
? mitro has 3 goals in two games and you want to sell him?
As I said, I love him and think he's class, I just think we could invest in a fast and more mobile premiership quality player.
Leave Scotty alone.🤗
Quote from: filham on September 19, 2020, 05:19:47 PM
Two very tough games to start the season with a good performance today and already some are looking to blame the manager.
Come on lets all get behind Parker , he is doing well and the best we have had for a while. Give him a couple of top players now and we could survive.
Yet another managerial change and start thinking Championship.
Totally agree, Fulhamben does not like Parker so our manager has no chance in his eyes. Only when we win the Champions League will he come around to begrudgingly like him!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on September 19, 2020, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: filham on September 19, 2020, 05:19:47 PM
Two very tough games to start the season with a good performance today and already some are looking to blame the manager.
Come on lets all get behind Parker , he is doing well and the best we have had for a while. Give him a couple of top players now and we could survive.
Yet another managerial change and start thinking Championship.
Totally agree, Fulhamben does not like Parker so our manager has no chance in his eyes. Only when we win the Champions League will he come around to begrudgingly like him!
winning a point would be a good start. And dropping Parker ball would be a second good way to go up in my estimations. We looked so much better in the last half hour once we abandoned the stupid slow passing it around the back Tactics.
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 07:14:32 PM
Bryan isn't premiership quality (although I'll forever love him for his two goals) and needs to be replaced ASAFP.
We need one absolute top draw CB minimum, preferably 2.
However, getting/keeping Zambo and Lemina fit and in the right headspace, is now a necessity. Absolute best players on the pitch, especially Zambo (not for the first time this season).
A flying, free scoring winger is also essential.
IMO, I think the time has come to sell Mitro (I love him and think he is absolute class), he isn't fast or mobile enough for this league. We need pace. If not sell him, the Brewster from Liverpool on loan as an Owen to our Shearer.....
? mitro has 3 goals in two games and you want to sell him?
As I said, I love him and think he's class, I just think we could invest in a fast and more mobile premiership quality player.
What would you hope they use this extra speed and mobility to achieve? Presumably it's not that you want them to score goals (given Mitro already does that and you don't want him)
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 07:16:20 PM
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 07:14:32 PM
Bryan isn't premiership quality (although I'll forever love him for his two goals) and needs to be replaced ASAFP.
We need one absolute top draw CB minimum, preferably 2.
However, getting/keeping Zambo and Lemina fit and in the right headspace, is now a necessity. Absolute best players on the pitch, especially Zambo (not for the first time this season).
A flying, free scoring winger is also essential.
IMO, I think the time has come to sell Mitro (I love him and think he is absolute class), he isn't fast or mobile enough for this league. We need pace. If not sell him, the Brewster from Liverpool on loan as an Owen to our Shearer.....
? mitro has 3 goals in two games and you want to sell him?
As I said, I love him and think he's class, I just think we could invest in a fast and more mobile premiership quality player.
Yes bring in a fast and mobile Premier Division player to join Mitro not replace him, if we want to stay in the Premier you don't sell your best players, plus he is a fighter. The person we should be replacing is the owners son who has wasted so much of his fathers money on mediocrity, that's why there appears to be a lack of money.
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
a new contract just after you have been promoted and before you have seen what he can do in the premiership
Ridiculous statement.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 19, 2020, 09:22:18 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
a new contract just after you have been promoted and before you have seen what he can do in the premiership
Ridiculous statement.
why? We have done most of our players on a loan to buy to see if they can cut it, but jumped straight in with a big contract for the most important member of staff
