What's he done exactly to earn a starting position in our squad 0ver Keebano ? Or even Knockaert,
I don't remember the last time he had a decent game, Am i missing something or what ? If so please fill me in as I'd love to know.
Other then that we were decent today especially in the 2nd half
Anguissa & Tete both Very impressive
I thought Dennis had a good game too although I'm sure the haters will disagree
Since you asked...
He had better attacking stats than any attacker not named Mitro last season.
Personally, I don't care about that because I don't rate him at EPL level. I think he gives the ball away more than Kebano or Knock, but I also think Cav is the more clinical finisher. Ball also sticks to his feet way too often...as it does with Knock.
Again...none of our wide players are even as good as Ryan Babel (which should be our lowest bar)...but I digress.
I thought Cav was particularly underwhelming today. Never looks like getting either a goal nor an assist these days. He always seems to take an extra touch and end up Parker-pirouetting when he initially looks to go forward. Found him frustrating to watch today.
agree with all of that
If we can fit him behind Mitro, he'll be much more dangerous. In the one two combination, that was all down to his speed and quick thinking. He shouldn't be playing on the wings. He's too isolated there, and when he's cut in from the left, he's not pulling the trigger. He scored goals for Wolves when he was playing in the centre. If Scott's going to play him, that's where he needs to be from now on.
Heard hes got a picture of the Manger with one of the players from last year sister
he sarted quite well last season but generally has been poor. i think his stats relate to the begining of last season not the second half... i really do not rate him at all, it may be becaus he looks way to far wide to make an impact. prefer kebano on the left wing
Useless🤓
Quote from: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
he sarted quite well last season but generally has been poor. i think his stats relate to the begining of last season not the second half... i really do not rate him at all, it may be becaus he looks way to far wide to make an impact. prefer kebano on the left wing
That's what I am saying, I think he's in the wrong position. Kebano is taking that LW spot better, so it should be competition between (currently) Cav and BDR for that AMF position.
I just don't rate him, always try's to cut in and loses the ball, Keebano is 5 times more efficient,
I wouldn't play him behind Mitro either he's a winger no logic in that thought,
FIn my humble opinion Cairney should of started TODAY behind Mitro in place of Onomah with Keebano on the left and either AK Or Knock on the right,
We had enough steel in the midfield with Anguissa & Reed
If Cairney was in form today we could of won as we all know when Cairney plays well Fulham play well
I don't rate Cavaleiro at all, lazy and a passenger in almost every game he is selected to play. The bloke cannot have a conscience to walk off the pitch knowing he has done very little when he is on it, not a single bead of perspiration on his face, he walks off looking as though he has just come out of the dry cleaners.
It really is a strange one, how he is selected, even in the middle of last season he seemed to have lost his way. A loan somewhere might revitalise his performance.
Quote from: Dodgin on September 19, 2020, 09:57:30 PM
It really is a strange one, how he is selected, even in the middle of last season he seemed to have lost his way. A loan somewhere might revitalise his performance.
I was told that is a crazy suggestion.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 19, 2020, 09:28:30 PM
I don't rate Cavaleiro at all, lazy and a passenger in almost every game he is selected to play. The bloke cannot have a conscience to walk off the pitch knowing he has done very little when he is on it, not a single bead of perspiration on his face, he walks off looking as though he has just come out of the dry cleaners.
He has been very poor of late and for me, pretty useless today, but I don't think you can call him lazy. He was always tracking back and didn't stop running. Unfortunately, and much like Knockaert, that don't help much if you do sod all with the ball when its at your feet.
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 19, 2020, 10:03:21 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 19, 2020, 09:28:30 PM
I don't rate Cavaleiro at all, lazy and a passenger in almost every game he is selected to play. The bloke cannot have a conscience to walk off the pitch knowing he has done very little when he is on it, not a single bead of perspiration on his face, he walks off looking as though he has just come out of the dry cleaners.
He has been very poor of late and for me, pretty useless today, but I don't think you can call him lazy. He was always tracking back and didn't stop running. Unfortunately, and much like Knockaert, that don't help much if you do sod all with the ball when its at your feet.
+1 I dont think he's lazy at all, just completely ineffective.
Should be Kebano LW and Knockaert RW for me.
BDR instead of Onomah to give that bit of pace around Mitro.
Well said op
Although I'm not certain Kebano is the answer, but he does give 100%
I've said before that Cav doesn't have what we need but keep being responded to with his assists record is good!
He doesn't make space
He doesn't track back...
When he does, he just gives away a foul (same as Kebano)
When he does get the all he promises much but with little end product
He tries to take on too many
Rarely sees an early pass
Slows the game
Always tries to cut inside
I now see why Wolves let him go
I feel for him because I think he was a good player and I'm not sure why it's changed, although it looks like he could/should lose a few pounds!
Cav has been useless all year.
The stats are simply wrong. Versus Arsenal he did zero in the second half and I mean literally zero, see if he touches the ball once.He has not got a scooby.
It is like playing with ten men...except worse because now and again they pass the ball to him and he gives it straight away. What is it with Parker ???? Kebano or Knoc are both 100% better. Cav needs to go ASAP he is worse than nothing.
No goals and no assists when did he last play a hgood game not 2020 that is for sure.Please get rid, he unbalances the team.And is a fatal flaw in Parker's otherwise continuing recovery as a coach.
I'm not defending Cav overall, but he helped create the second goal at Wembley. That was ... three matches ago.
I know a lot of people don't rate Cav, and it's probably due to the fact he's more of a "luxury" player than we need.
But I thought the one shining light in his performance yesterday was that he at least tried to make something happen and be direct. That was mainly in the first half when all his mates were content to just knock the ball around sideways and backwards and invite Leeds' high press
Quote from: FFC In Oz on September 20, 2020, 07:33:56 AM
I know a lot of people don't rate Cav, and it's probably due to the fact he's more of a "luxury" player than we need.
But I thought the one shining light in his performance yesterday was that he at least tried to make something happen and be direct. That was mainly in the first half when all his mates were content to just knock the ball around sideways and backwards and invite Leeds' high press
He's just lost that bit of directness in shooting though. He cut inside multiple times, and waited for the perfect opportunity to shoot. Think he's definitely in his own head right now. I agree though, he did try to make things happen. In addition, he was part of the initial attack that led to the 3rd goal.
https://streamable.com/7poqvi
Lost the ball too many times for me. Ok he tried to make things happen ,but with at least three touches on the ball at every ball contact , was slowing our play down. Our transition to attack often ends up with a backwards pass. Kind of says it all.
We've signed him, so it's a case of working with any 'strengths' he has. When he first played for us, he scored some goals, cutting inside and shooting. If he was a 'tinned can' everyone knows what that tin contains 'cutting inside and shooting'. He needs to do something different and not what he likes to do, because that just isn't working.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on September 19, 2020, 10:17:56 PM
Should be Kebano LW and Knockaert RW for me.
BDR instead of Onomah to give that bit of pace around Mitro.
Agree Kebano L and Knock R. Knock also gives us more defensive cover and god knows we need every scrap we can get.
However I would replace Onomah with TC not BDR. He's got a good strike on him but also offers a calm head when we need one (which is often).
Quote from: Matt10 on September 19, 2020, 08:43:45 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
he sarted quite well last season but generally has been poor. i think his stats relate to the begining of last season not the second half... i really do not rate him at all, it may be becaus he looks way to far wide to make an impact. prefer kebano on the left wing
That's what I am saying, I think he's in the wrong position. Kebano is taking that LW spot better, so it should be competition between (currently) Cav and BDR for that AMF position.
I think that may be worth a try. Anguissa's pass to BDR for our second was a well constructed goal allowing the latter time and space to decide where to place his shot. Cavaleiro does have quality at times but his promise is seldom realised. With better quality delivery in central midfield we offer much more variation that futile attacks down the wing that come to nothing because our opponents already know the drill. Tete can change that on the right as we have already seen and so that just leaves his flank partner and the left wing partnership to sort out.
Quote from: rebel on September 20, 2020, 08:03:44 AM
We've signed him, so it's a case of working with any 'strengths' he has. When he first played for us, he scored some goals, cutting inside and shooting. If he was a 'tinned can' everyone knows what that tin contains 'cutting inside and shooting'. He needs to do something different and not what he likes to do, because that just isn't working.
Whilst I agree with what you say in theory, it doesn't always work that way.
Everyone for 15 years knew Robben was going to cut inside and shoot. Knowing what's going to happen and stopping it are two totally different things.
At the moment the order of quality is
Kamara
>
Reid / Cavaleiro / Kebano
>
Knockaert
As long as the latter isn't starting, I won't be criticising Parker's selection in those positions
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
At the moment the order of quality is
Kamara
>
Reid / Cavaleiro / Kebano
>
Knockaert
As long as the latter isn't starting, I won't be criticising Parker's selection in those positions
Disagree, Kamara has been one of the worst in 2 PL games. Kebano is currently probably best of the rest, Reid had his best game, Knockaert finds himself good shooting spots as Cavaleiro but actually tries to shoot aswell (hopefully soon on target).
Quote from: Moltobueno on September 20, 2020, 10:55:05 AM
Knockaert finds himself good shooting spots as Cavaleiro but actually tries to shoot aswell (hopefully soon on target).
Knockaert hasn't had a shot on target since 2017. Him "trying to shoot" is not a good thing. He'd be better off passing it. In fact, on basis that it's harder for the opposition to get distance on a throw in than a goal kick, it would actually be better if every time he thought about shooting, he instead just rolled the ball out of play for an opposition throw in at the nearest point.
Cav was very poor today and last week. Does the same thing every time gets the ball cut inside runs into traffic then has to do a poor pass or loses the ball. Perhaps if he started to mix it up a bit by going down the outside it might make the defenders have to think. Currently not worth a starting place and maybe dropping him will sharpen him up.
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
At the moment the order of quality is
Kamara
>
Reid / Cavaleiro / Kebano
>
Knockaert
As long as the latter isn't starting, I won't be criticising Parker's selection in those positions
Please fill me in on what Cav has done in previous games to compare him at the same level as Keebano ?
Knockaert has been far better then Cav and he's been pretty inefficient himself....
AK hasn't been in good form but there's something about him
Keebano has been the inform player out of all the players you've posted but Cav started over him 🤔
Keebano did more in 5 mins then Cav did throughout the whole game
Hitting the post etc..
I just do not understand why Cav started
Mendes has had Tones pants down like many an agent
Quote from: absenteeism on September 20, 2020, 08:37:11 PM
Mendes has had Tones pants down like many an agent
This comment, unsurprisingly, reeks of a complete lack of understanding and knowledge about the situation. This was not a situation where we acquired an unknown player with questionable merits. Cav was a well known player who had already excelled at the level we acquired him for, and had made a reasonable contribution for a good team at the level we were aiming for. Based on previous performances the price was not too high, but rather the going rate for a top Championship winger. There was also no obvious risk factors involved such as age or injuries.
Cav also played a big part in us getting back to the PL, even though most of his good performances came the first third of the Season.
I get that you are on a massive whining streak today, but do you really just have to make stuff up as you go along all the time?
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
At the moment the order of quality is
Kamara
> Reid / Cavaleiro / Kebano
> Knockaert
As long as the latter isn't starting, I won't be criticising Parker's selection in those positions
I think all these players are decent squad players even the worst of them (possibly Knockaert). My problem is the best of these wingers (possibly Kamara) is nowhere near a quality 90 minute premier league player, with his pace and power he is kind of ok to make up the numbers in a starting XI, but he is nowhere near good enough to be the best winger in a team that stays up. In addition to what we have the squad needs a quality winger that plays 90 miniutes, and the rest of the wingers can rotate two a game.
You have to look at the teams they excelled in before we signed them, and compare them to the Fulham team they play in now. Cav and Knok played in really good teams, they were attacking teams. Attacking wise we've taken steps backwards, we pass the ball around very slowly endlessly.
Want to see Kebano starting ahead of Cav until a better winger can be brought in. Cav hasn't been on form for months now.
Quote from: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
he sarted quite well last season but generally has been poor. i think his stats relate to the begining of last season not the second half... i really do not rate him at all, it may be becaus he looks way to far wide to make an impact. prefer kebano on the left wing
Agree.
Those early goals he scored lead us to believe that he was going to be good but we have seen little from him for a long time now. Kebano or even Ried must be in front of him for the wide left position .
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
Quote from: filham on September 21, 2020, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
he sarted quite well last season but generally has been poor. i think his stats relate to the begining of last season not the second half... i really do not rate him at all, it may be becaus he looks way to far wide to make an impact. prefer kebano on the left wing
Agree.
Those early goals he scored lead us to believe that he was going to be good but we have seen little from him for a long time now. Kebano or even Ried must be in front of him for the wide left position .
Agree with that. Still think we'll bring in a new winger though before the window shuts.
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
This - suprised people are putting their blinkers on regarding this. Soft penalty or not, Cav did technically set the opportunity up that saw us score and give us a chance.
According to whoscored he scored 5 goals and made 7 assists for us last season. (12 total)
Knockaert got 3 goals and 4 assists (7)
Bobby scored 6 and got 3 assists (9)
Neeskens got 5 goals and 1 assist (6)
Kamara got 4 goals and 4 assists. (8)
By these stats alone, Cav is our most prolific proven winger during the last season, Reid next, then Kamara, then Knockaert and then Neeskens.
And that is so far proven this season as only Reid and Cav are the only two who've registered for us.
I would have Knockers and reid wide and Onomah central.
Kebano flatters to deceive 2 or 3 good games and then disappears. He is good as an impact sub.
Same can be said ok AK, think he is great but there are times when you know he will be better of the bench and times when your playing a team where you may start him if they dont have a lot of pace at the back,
Quote from: junior white on September 21, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
I would have Knockers and reid wide and Onomah central.
Kebano flatters to deceive 2 or 3 good games and then disappears. He is good as an impact sub.
Same can be said ok AK, think he is great but there are times when you know he will be better of the bench and times when your playing a team where you may start him if they dont have a lot of pace at the back,
Knock deceives every game though, a few nice touches and runs around a lot but very little end product. For Kebano you usually get some end product. For me Kebano should be our first choice on the left. Right wing up for grabs between the other wingers.
Quote from: General on September 21, 2020, 10:34:30 AM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
This - suprised people are putting their blinkers on regarding this. Soft penalty or not, Cav did technically set the opportunity up that saw us score and give us a chance.
According to whoscored he scored 5 goals and made 7 assists for us last season. (12 total)
Knockaert got 3 goals and 4 assists (7)
Bobby scored 6 and got 3 assists (9)
Neeskens got 5 goals and 1 assist (6)
Kamara got 4 goals and 4 assists. (8)
By these stats alone, Cav is our most prolific proven winger during the last season, Reid next, then Kamara, then Knockaert and then Neeskens.
And that is so far proven this season as only Reid and Cav are the only two who've registered for us.
I haven't checked but I bet Kebano played fewer games than the others. You have to look at the goals vs games ratio. I think he's underrated on here.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 21, 2020, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: junior white on September 21, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
I would have Knockers and reid wide and Onomah central.
Kebano flatters to deceive 2 or 3 good games and then disappears. He is good as an impact sub.
Same can be said ok AK, think he is great but there are times when you know he will be better of the bench and times when your playing a team where you may start him if they dont have a lot of pace at the back,
Knock deceives every game though, a few nice touches and runs around a lot but very little end product. For Kebano you usually get some end product. For me Kebano should be our first choice on the left. Right wing up for grabs between the other wingers.
Agree 100%. Knock was very hit and miss in the Championship and now were a league higher, we need a better a better option.
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
That's a bit desperate mate
Quote from: Big T on September 21, 2020, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
That's a bit desperate mate
Facts right place to make the play he anticipated Bryan overlapping
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 21, 2020, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: General on September 21, 2020, 10:34:30 AM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
This - suprised people are putting their blinkers on regarding this. Soft penalty or not, Cav did technically set the opportunity up that saw us score and give us a chance.
According to whoscored he scored 5 goals and made 7 assists for us last season. (12 total)
Knockaert got 3 goals and 4 assists (7)
Bobby scored 6 and got 3 assists (9)
Neeskens got 5 goals and 1 assist (6)
Kamara got 4 goals and 4 assists. (8)
By these stats alone, Cav is our most prolific proven winger during the last season, Reid next, then Kamara, then Knockaert and then Neeskens.
And that is so far proven this season as only Reid and Cav are the only two who've registered for us.
I haven't checked but I bet Kebano played fewer games than the others. You have to look at the goals vs games ratio. I think he's underrated on here.
I think he was perhaps slightly underrated but with that incredible form top at the end of the season has gone to being very overrated by many. His goals to games ratio for his Fulham career is surely not impressive by any means? Although probably a little better if we look at goals to minutes, since he has rarely played 90 minutes. Seems a great guy, but far from a solution to anything at this level in my opinion. Starting to suspect that the same can be said for several other players though.
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
It was a poor ball played out of desperation had it been a better pass Joe could have got to it before being taken out.
Quote from: Bill2 on September 21, 2020, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
It was a poor ball played out of desperation had it been a better pass Joe could have got to it before being taken out.
That's what I'm saying, can hardly champion him for that pass, Keebano did more in 5 mins then Cavs done in the past 6 months
There's just no way he'd earnt the right to start against Leeds
End of.....
It's in every managers team talk, exactly what Cav likes to do, more often then not, they double up and stop him cutting in and shooting. That's his 'hallmark', that's how he scores his goals. He needs to find other strings to his bow.
Quote from: rebel on September 21, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
It's in every managers team talk, exactly what Cav likes to do, more often then not, they double up and stop him cutting in and shooting. That's his 'hallmark', that's how he scores his goals. He needs to find other strings to his bow.
Rebel what happened too CC ?
I miss it
T Mac
I prefer Kebano. Because our build up play is slow, Kebano is more suited to taking people on from a dead start. Its why I think Knock and Cav struggle as they would prefer to be getting in behind. Someone like Eze would have been great for us I think.
If we went more direct I think Cav gets exponentially more dangerous
Quote from: Bill2 on September 21, 2020, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
It was a poor ball played out of desperation had it been a better pass Joe could have got to it before being taken out.
Call it what you may he made the pass end of, won the pen and dispatched by MITROVIC.
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 22, 2020, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on September 21, 2020, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: fulhamfever on September 21, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
CAV played the ball to Bryan who won the penalty which got us Level that enough is a game changing play.
It was a poor ball played out of desperation had it been a better pass Joe could have got to it before being taken out.
Call it what you may he made the pass end of, won the pen and dispatched by MITROVIC.
The pass was too long and meant Joe was heading nowhere, had he not been fouled it would have ended up as a goal kick. If you want to see a good pass look at the one to Bamford for his goal.
Quote from: Big T on September 21, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 21, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
It's in every managers team talk, exactly what Cav likes to do, more often then not, they double up and stop him cutting in and shooting. That's his 'hallmark', that's how he scores his goals. He needs to find other strings to his bow.
Rebel what happened too CC ?
I miss it
T Mac
Hi Big T
I know the site owner ran a Pub, maybe all the stuff around Covid, lack of funds etc caused it's demise. I know very little, it just disappeared. I initially thought it had been hacked and they were building it back up. But it just disappeared.
Quote from: rebel on September 22, 2020, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: Big T on September 21, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: rebel on September 21, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
It's in every managers team talk, exactly what Cav likes to do, more often then not, they double up and stop him cutting in and shooting. That's his 'hallmark', that's how he scores his goals. He needs to find other strings to his bow.
Rebel what happened too CC ?
I miss it
T Mac
Hi Big T
I know the site owner ran a Pub, maybe all the stuff around Covid, lack of funds etc caused it's demise. I know very little, it just disappeared. I initially thought it had been hacked and they were building it back up. But it just disappeared.
Yeah that's what I figured, I miss all those degenerates on there, especially picking on BP
At times the Knocky, Cav and BDR, make Kebano look good.
I should add IMHO.