I think it'll be difficult for many to blame Scott Parker this season, got us up, new to the Premier League, but, I feel he's been thrown under the bus a bit by Tony Kahn.
Handed a new 3 year deal for his achievements, but, at the same time, hasn't really been supported with the right players.
Yes, we've seen the likes of Lemina come in, Tete, the goalie, with a couple of new contract extensions thrown about, but, I feel he's been let down once again by our DOF.
Some will say the window doesn't close until October, well, that's true, but we've needed centre backs and a supporting striker since the beginning, and guess what, we're still waiting.
Our DOF made a big statement about not making the same mistakes again, however, from I can see, we're making them all over again.
Remember, whilst Scott struggles on and off the pitch this season, there will always be a persistent support by our DOF for a certain AEW wrestling venture, so let's make sure the fingers get pointed in the correct location.
TK is 100% the issue.
every manager has his foot shot through by the amateur we have as DoF. He wouldn't get an interview anywhere else let alone a job in any division. his only claim to fame is his father's money that he is happy to waste.
Agree
Tk has done some good things but we have known for a long time we need centre halves and we haven't done a thing about it and thats disgraceful
TK is not the issue its Parkers tatics we dont defend we dont attack we just pass the ball in the middle of the park, we do nothing we arent attacking gettng players forward like Leeds are. we arent defensicly dogged and hard to break down getting player back behind the ball, like under Hodgson, we just pass and pass then lose it becuase of no movement from the players just stood still then we let the other team who are moving who then run pass us and score.
Quote from: Nero on September 19, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
TK is not the issue its Parkers tatics we dont defend we dont attack we just pass the ball in the middle of the park, we do nothing we arent attacking gettng players forward like Leeds are. we arent defensicly dogged and hard to break down getting player back behind the ball, like under Hodgson, we just pass and pass then lose it becuase of no movement from the players just stood still then we let the other team who are moving who then run pass us and score.
Totally agree, all our wingers are accused of being rubbish but it is the system of play that makes them look so bad, they are facing our own goal to collect the ball and when they turn they are totally marked because of our slow build up. At this level teams will just sit around us because they know with all the passes we make going nowhere we will give the ball away, then hit us with speed. Tete comes in crosses the ball Mitro scores twice, knock, cav, Kebano, Reid are playing inverted so there reaction is to cut inside onto their better foot. We really need to stop playing inverted and up the tempo, possession going nowhere will ensure we continue to lose games. Big credit to Parker for getting the attitude better but it style of play that needs changing.
The new signings look good, but we need more. Simple as that.
I'm loathed to attack TK, as he seems like a man emotional guy, but this is a 'spend money to make money' situation.
If we don't spend now, relegation is guaranteed.
Quote from: Craven Mad on September 19, 2020, 10:56:32 PM
The new signings look good, but we need more. Simple as that.
I'm loathed to attack TK, as he seems like a man emotional guy, but this is a 'spend money to make money' situation.
If we don't spend now, relegation is guaranteed.
That pretty much sums it up 2 CB plus another Striker is what is needed and if the window had shut before games kicked of they would have been here already
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2020, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 19, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
TK is not the issue its Parkers tatics we dont defend we dont attack we just pass the ball in the middle of the park, we do nothing we arent attacking gettng players forward like Leeds are. we arent defensicly dogged and hard to break down getting player back behind the ball, like under Hodgson, we just pass and pass then lose it becuase of no movement from the players just stood still then we let the other team who are moving who then run pass us and score.
Totally agree, all our wingers are accused of being rubbish but it is the system of play that makes them look so bad, they are facing our own goal to collect the ball and when they turn they are totally marked because of our slow build up. At this level teams will just sit around us because they know with all the passes we make going nowhere we will give the ball away, then hit us with speed. Tete comes in crosses the ball Mitro scores twice, knock, cav, Kebano, Reid are playing inverted so there reaction is to cut inside onto their better foot. We really need to stop playing inverted and up the tempo, possession going nowhere will ensure we continue to lose games. Big credit to Parker for getting the attitude better but it style of play that needs changing.
I couldn't agree less if I tried and I am one of SP's fiercest critics when I believe he is wrong. We can argue about team selections all day long but individual coaches support and advise SP and he isn't a stranger to the inconsistencies that thwart or delay observed improvements. Professional footballers have different mindsets to supporters and different coaches have their methods for dealing with the awkward ones (look at what happened to Kamara as an example). Jokanovic's methods actually saw individuals improve above expectations but what I don't know is where he got that ability from. Does Parker have that? Well, looking at Reed from last season perhaps he does but not on the scale Jokanovic could achieve since Onomah, so significant at Cardiff, hasn't had a good game this season. Anguissa looked uneven yesterday because the scoreline suddenly went into decline and the reason it happened is because team mates stopped being professional.
None of the above is about TK. Parker has what he has been given and like Jokanovic before him has to find solutions. But Parker also needs to feel his DoF cares enough to meet his needs because otherwise he too will descend to 'what will be'. I just believe that a better DoF with serious clout and the ability to close deals would help in the process and not hinder it. TK isn't that guy and if he loves FFC as he says he does he'll do the decent thing and get a seriously good and charismatic professional in to handle the whole recruitment process. But all that is too late to rectify what has already passed. Just my feelings on what has been a problem for far too long already.
Agree 100%.
Quote from: Nero on September 19, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
TK is not the issue its Parkers tatics we dont defend we dont attack we just pass the ball in the middle of the park, we do nothing we arent attacking gettng players forward like Leeds are. we arent defensicly dogged and hard to break down getting player back behind the ball, like under Hodgson, we just pass and pass then lose it becuase of no movement from the players just stood still then we let the other team who are moving who then run pass us and score.
Completely disagree with you. It has been obvious that we have one ageing CB who struggled last time in the Prem (even under different managers) and who won't get better as he gets older. Alongside him we have a CB untested at Prem level. Oh yes and TK loaned out our third CB. So the cupboard is bare, how is that not the fault of our DoF? Yes, it's like throwing SP under the bus. Absolutely.
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
... it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch ...
From Summer 2016 to now isn't the flick of a switch. The flick of a switch is the time equivalent of the amount of real sport you'll see in wrestling ... period.
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
As I said on another thread, both our opponents so far, Leeds and Arsenal, needed a CB this summer and they both managed to bring one in for the start of the season (Koch and Gabriel). So this idea that there aren't enough CBs to go around or it's impossible to sign players until the last few days of the window, is obviously bo11ocks. It's just our transfer team, led by TK, being poor compared to other clubs.
Hi I am a coach that has been given an extension to my contract. This is because my team have moved up to a higher level. Now we need improvement in some positions but really my job is to do the best I can with what I have. I make suggestions and hopefully I will have the player in the positions I want.
Hi I am responsible for the cash and the transfers. Part of my job is listening to the manager and looking at the computer screen and checking stats. For some time now my team has done very well. I have two promotions. Also one relegation that can be put at my door. In all the time I have been here we have needed strength up the middle of the park. Keeper, centre half and centre forward. In all that time I have been in charge I have bought lots and lots of players with good stats. But arguably only one decent centre half and one decent forward. The forward wasn't entirely down to me either. So I have failed in that department but there is still time to improve. But my history isn't great. I wonder if maybe somebody else could help with these positions?
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
As I said on another thread, both our opponents so far, Leeds and Arsenal, needed a CB this summer and they both managed to bring one in for the start of the season (Koch and Gabriel). So this idea that there aren't enough CBs to go around or it's impossible to sign players until the last few days of the window, is obviously bo11ocks. It's just our transfer team, led by TK, being poor compared to other clubs.
I'm glad we didn't sign Koch. He looks a complete liability and has already given away two penalties in the opening matches. Leeds aren't exactly keeping clean sheets. The wait for centre backs is frustrating for all but it's so important that the club get it right this time.
Quote from: Whitestone on September 20, 2020, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
As I said on another thread, both our opponents so far, Leeds and Arsenal, needed a CB this summer and they both managed to bring one in for the start of the season (Koch and Gabriel). So this idea that there aren't enough CBs to go around or it's impossible to sign players until the last few days of the window, is obviously bo11ocks. It's just our transfer team, led by TK, being poor compared to other clubs.
I'm glad we didn't sign Koch. He looks a complete liability and has already given away two penalties in the opening matches. Leeds aren't exactly keeping clean sheets. The wait for centre backs is frustrating for all but it's so important that the club get it right this time.
Likewise, Leeds defence is as bad as ours. Conceded 4 against Pool, and 3 against us (so called already relegated team).
Koch has an unfortunate name and even more unfortunate face and haircut but he's a German international and relatively young. He's clearly a quality signing. If he doesn't adjust immediately or Biesla can't get the best out of him (surely not because he's the best manager in world football apparently...) then so be it, but their DoF has done his part by bringing the player in and getting him in good time. As it happens I suspect he'll settle in and show his quality as the season progresses. Are people really saying that if he was in our squad right now and fully fit, they'd pick Ream/Odoi/MLM ahead of him? No.
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
Well said. Sometimes when I read the threads on here it's as though some think it's like playing a computer game where you just click a button and it's done. Like any multi-million pound business deal, there are so many things that could cause the transaction to fall over, even more so with the level of greed in the modern game.
I have no doubt that the recruitment team recognise where we need to strengthen, more so than the average Joe fan. However they also have a duty to run the club responsibly. The only way to get players in quickly is to throw money at the deal, or take a punt on someone who will then be berated for being a waste of money because his English isn't that great. Whilst we've all watched a lot of football, I imagine there a very few fans who actually also have insight into what it takes to run a club. Yes, it would have been great to have brilliant additions come into the club for a reasonable price at the very start of the window. The reality of that happening, however, is not that easy.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 19, 2020, 09:29:10 PM
Tk has done some good things but we have known for a long time we need centre halves and we haven't done a thing about it and thats disgraceful
This has been an issue since the demise of Hangeland and Hughes.
A top, experienced centre back had to be top of our priority list from before the window opened. Before we blame anyone or anything for leaking goals that need has to be met.
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 11:35:01 AM
Koch has an unfortunate name and even more unfortunate face and haircut but he's a German international and relatively young. He's clearly a quality signing. If he doesn't adjust immediately or Biesla can't get the best out of him (surely not because he's the best manager in world football apparently...) then so be it, but their DoF has done his part by bringing the player in and getting him in good time. As it happens I suspect he'll settle in and show his quality as the season progresses. Are people really saying that if he was in our squad right now and fully fit, they'd pick Ream/Odoi/MLM ahead of him? No.
After 2 games and given away penalties in each TK would be getting blamed for this useless signing based on stats why did we pay 15m for him hes useless what stats was he looking at. I mean people want Ream stringing up for one missed placed kick.
There are two problems. One is that as nice a guy as sp is he is not experienced enough for the premiership, secondly, TK is more involved in wrestling than ffc.
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
I mean people want Ream stringing up for one missed placed kick.
Not going to argue about Koch because we'll just have to see what happens with the passage of time there. But for the record, people criticise Ream because he's been crap at defending for five years.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 20, 2020, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
... it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch ...
From Summer 2016 to now isn't the flick of a switch. The flick of a switch is the time equivalent of the amount of real sport you'll see in wrestling ... period.
TK has had 4 seasons to sort this out. His CB signings are a lengthy list of failures. Of course he may pull a rabbit out of the hat before the window closes but we could be comfortably adrift of the pack by then. It seems us and WBA have booked two of the relegation slots already unless there is a rapid improvement in our defensive play.
Quote from: OdecaMynoT on September 20, 2020, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 19, 2020, 09:29:10 PM
Tk has done some good things but we have known for a long time we need centre halves and we haven't done a thing about it and thats disgraceful
This has been an issue since the demise of Hangeland and Hughes.
I agree, but nobody cares cause it is all about the now and for some they aren't going to ever shake the Khan's are failing us narrative. Acquiring quality centre backs is hard for a club like Fulham. Who would have even thought Hughes and Hangeland would have done as well as they did? We couldn't even hold on to Chris Smalling before Man Utd came calling.
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
I think you'll find it was Mike Rigg who swapped Richards for Fredericks. Nothing to do with Malone.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 20, 2020, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
I think you'll find it was Mike Rigg who swapped Richards for Fredericks. Nothing to do with Malone.
Odd to swap a player to Cardiff and get a Bristol City player in return while also coincidentally getting a Cardiff player.
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Thats a bit irrelevant though. You still don't loan out your 20m CB and not replace regardless of personal spats. In regards to Koch, had we brought him in and be with 3 points on the board, we'd be a much happier fan set right now. Could we have signed him? I'm not really sure why you need me to point out another example of a player we 'could' of signed. Maybe we will sign better than Koch (hopefully) but that doesn't refute the point. We haven't signed anyone and we're already 0 for 2 with 7 goals conceded against, dare I say it, not the greatest of teams. You might think this is a TK bashing post but its more about disappointment and potentially wasted opportunities than having some petty dig at TK.
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Thats a bit irrelevant though. You still don't loan out your 20m CB and not replace regardless of personal spats. In regards to Koch, had we brought him in and be with 3 points on the board, we'd be a much happier fan set right now. Could we have signed him? I'm not really sure why you need me to point out another example of a player we 'could' of signed. Maybe we will sign better than Koch (hopefully) but that doesn't refute the point. We haven't signed anyone and we're already 0 for 2 with 7 goals conceded against, dare I say it, not the greatest of teams. You might think this is a TK bashing post but its more about disappointment and potentially wasted opportunities than having some petty dig at TK.
Its not irrelevant though is it if the Manager isnt going to play the player, and says he a bad egg and disrupting the dessing roon, what's the point in him taking up and squard place and wages, Leeds have only got 3 points because Parker cant get a team to defend as a unit because of plodding motionless football where everyone is stood still when they receive the ball which is easy to defend agains. So if we had beat Leeds 4-3 you would be happy with our defense as we had won a game but leak 3 for the second week running. Yes we need a CB but there are bigger issue defensive wise then that.
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Thats a bit irrelevant though. You still don't loan out your 20m CB and not replace regardless of personal spats. In regards to Koch, had we brought him in and be with 3 points on the board, we'd be a much happier fan set right now. Could we have signed him? I'm not really sure why you need me to point out another example of a player we 'could' of signed. Maybe we will sign better than Koch (hopefully) but that doesn't refute the point. We haven't signed anyone and we're already 0 for 2 with 7 goals conceded against, dare I say it, not the greatest of teams. You might think this is a TK bashing post but its more about disappointment and potentially wasted opportunities than having some petty dig at TK.
Its not irrelevant though is it if the Manager isnt going to play the player, and says he a bad egg and disrupting the dessing roon, what's the point in him taking up and squard place and wages, Leeds have only got 3 points because Parker cant get a team to defend as a unit because of plodding motionless football where everyone is stood still when they receive the ball which is easy to defend agains. So if we had beat Leeds 4-3 you would be happy with our defense as we had won a game but leak 3 for the second week running. Yes we need a CB but there are bigger issue defensive wise then that.
A lot of conjecture in there. Where does Parker say any of that? I thought I made it clear, had we signed a CB, were 3/6 points and said CB was playing already, I think we'd all be happier no? I think the team look sharper in midfield than we have previously, we look more threatening, and players are passing the ball quicker, so really, the issue with our team is the defence. Not sure how thats even up for debate to be honest.....
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Thats a bit irrelevant though. You still don't loan out your 20m CB and not replace regardless of personal spats. In regards to Koch, had we brought him in and be with 3 points on the board, we'd be a much happier fan set right now. Could we have signed him? I'm not really sure why you need me to point out another example of a player we 'could' of signed. Maybe we will sign better than Koch (hopefully) but that doesn't refute the point. We haven't signed anyone and we're already 0 for 2 with 7 goals conceded against, dare I say it, not the greatest of teams. You might think this is a TK bashing post but its more about disappointment and potentially wasted opportunities than having some petty dig at TK.
Leeds have 7 goals against them as well, and that's with Koch being signed.
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
Totally agree, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, why don't the moaners wait until the 5th October to see what we finish up with, after that date the board is yours to say "we told you so"
Quote from: alfie on September 20, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Thats a bit irrelevant though. You still don't loan out your 20m CB and not replace regardless of personal spats. In regards to Koch, had we brought him in and be with 3 points on the board, we'd be a much happier fan set right now. Could we have signed him? I'm not really sure why you need me to point out another example of a player we 'could' of signed. Maybe we will sign better than Koch (hopefully) but that doesn't refute the point. We haven't signed anyone and we're already 0 for 2 with 7 goals conceded against, dare I say it, not the greatest of teams. You might think this is a TK bashing post but its more about disappointment and potentially wasted opportunities than having some petty dig at TK.
Leeds have 7 goals against them as well, and that's with Koch being signed.
4 of which against last years champions and they have 3 points already though. I thought I was pretty clear about Koch and Leeds frailities but you can hand it to them. They also had a weak spot and identified it quicker than we have and as a result, have something to show for it.
They have 7 goals against them as we have 3 of our against the current form team in Arsenal. You say Leeds identified it quicker id say no they may have got someone I quicker as they lost Ben White and brought what was available. Is he any good well 7 goals against and given away 2 penalties says no atm. If we had signed him and he did that for us even with 3 points people here would be moaning he a liability another TK stats based signing how did he spend 13m on him hes no better then Ream.
Quote from: alfie on September 20, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 20, 2020, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 20, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 20, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on September 20, 2020, 03:30:49 PM
Football fans a so fickle it's untrue. Last January onwards we had a last signed that centre back we had been looking out so. Many said that if Hector had played all season we would have won the league.
This season is a massive step up, ask WBA, or the 60-70% of clubs that get relegated after winning the play off final. We need a big upgrade a centre half, rather like the majority of teams. These centre halves are like hens teeth.
Fulham are an attractive club for many players, but the best out there will not come to us. Is anyone giving Tony Khan praise for bringing in Zambo. He is a players that is attracting the top clubs but many of you said he was crap and a waste of money.
Transfers are extremely difficult, Tete seems like a steal, TK did well to get £25M for Sess plus Onomah, sell Aluco for £7,5 M swap Richards for Malone then sell Malone for £5M and you know there are many more. He found the money for Mitro etc etc.
Very well said. There aren't enough quality centre backs to fit into every 20 premier league teams. And it's hard to plan out long term because Fulham can't keep any really good players. They will leave.
I'm not even their biggest supporter, but lets look at Leeds here. I watched Ben White again today, and the guys class. Looked too good for championship, and seemingly good enough for the Prem. Leeds lost this player from their championship winning season, bought in Koch (who I'm not even a big fan of) but he's starting games, had some pre season and has settled in. Arguably helped them to be 3 points in front of us now but the point being, they have found a player quickly, got him in and he's already starting. Why we haven't managed to do that is really beyond me at this point. CB's aren't in short supply, no position is, deals are difficult, I appreciate that, but other clubs have done the business and its accumulating points already. Yesterday, was their for the taking, but we gave away some of the cheapest goals you'll see at any level so winning games will be near on impossible unless we consistently find 3 goals + which is a tall order for us based on form/history.
We went into the window knowing full well, full backs and centre backs were the priority. We're addressed one which is good, but the elephant in the room was always the CB. Then we loan out Mawson without a replacement and we're none the wiser about whose coming in to replace him. I've been fairly quiet about it thus far, but seeing us ship 3 to Arsenal (who I watched yesterday, WestHam made them look bang average, we made them look like top 4!) and 4 to Leeds, which we all saw coming is just a bit difficult to swallow at this point in time.
Moan aside, I'm praying in next 2 days we have a match fit ready CB signing but its a tall ask for all that to happen so I won't hold my breath.
We loaned out Mawson because he and Parker had a falling out, do you think TK done that off his own back. I can image if we had brought Kock and he conceded 2 pentalies and let in 7 goals people praising TK for siging such a great player, Tell which CB has been signed by a club this window we could have got?
Thats a bit irrelevant though. You still don't loan out your 20m CB and not replace regardless of personal spats. In regards to Koch, had we brought him in and be with 3 points on the board, we'd be a much happier fan set right now. Could we have signed him? I'm not really sure why you need me to point out another example of a player we 'could' of signed. Maybe we will sign better than Koch (hopefully) but that doesn't refute the point. We haven't signed anyone and we're already 0 for 2 with 7 goals conceded against, dare I say it, not the greatest of teams. You might think this is a TK bashing post but its more about disappointment and potentially wasted opportunities than having some petty dig at TK.
Leeds have 7 goals against them as well, and that's with Koch being signed.
So it looks like Leeds will be joining us in being relegated then, the question is which one will finish lower.
I agree with the original poster. Not sure how so many people can argue otherwise and suggest TK is not to blame and that somehow it is impossible to identify and sign one CB in the world who is significantly better than Ream!
Quote from: Lordedmundo on September 21, 2020, 09:41:45 AM
I agree with the original poster. Not sure how so many people can argue otherwise and suggest TK is not to blame and that somehow it is impossible to identify and sign one CB in the world who is significantly better than Ream!
Feel free to go ahead and find one that is available, oh and don't forget according to this forum the player must have "Premiership experience", apparently it's so easy to do.
The fact it's not 100% clear cut, suggests that - frustratingly, the likelihood is it's a bit of both.
Everyone knows we got promoted despite having an unremarkable season last year, especially given our squad.
Cavaleiro, Knockaert, Mitrovic, Bobby Reid - all on their day can dominate defences in that division on their own and have PROVEN it... the fact we didn't get an automatic place at least shows we were under utilising players tactically.
Our defensive shape was soo poor the last two games that it was reminiscent of pub football - the amount of space leeds found and the lack of cohesion with our back four was incredibly poor.
I'd argue our defensive tactics/personnel have been responsible for 2 goals in each of our games so far, which means without them we perhaps could've seen a 1-0 scoreline against arsenal and a 3-2 scoreline in our favour against Leeds.
That said though, whilst the tactics have probably been too gun-ho (I appreciate you need to attack more at this level), I would've had us down to be more conservative against Arsenal and aim to hit them on the counter attack - same to a lesser degree against Leeds.
All of that could be made better had we two more CB's who commanded the defence and the box and didn't (like Hector) play so roguely - like he did at leeds - to the point he found himself up by the half way line, not winning posession, Leeds counter-attacking and then scoring.
The two CBs fault lies in TK's inability to address the situation and our fault to ship that many goals is also tactical and a clear lack of instilling defensive discipline and shape.
Quote from: alfie on September 21, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on September 21, 2020, 09:41:45 AM
I agree with the original poster. Not sure how so many people can argue otherwise and suggest TK is not to blame and that somehow it is impossible to identify and sign one CB in the world who is significantly better than Ream!
Feel free to go ahead and find one that is available, oh and don't forget according to this forum the player must have "Premiership experience", apparently it's so easy to do.
I for one don't agree that a player needs premiership experience - the fact they don't has and is constantly disproven. What we need is a commanding CB, one who can control the box from set pieces and has height (like Hector was doing but in the championship) - or two.. and another who can play LCB and knows how to balance communication with speed and accuracy in the tackle (semedo is joining the portuguese revolution at wolves and has played 80 odd times for Barca).
The players exist, Khan just needs to put the money behind someone who's more subtle and diplomatic when it comes to dealing with players.
Quote from: General on September 21, 2020, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: alfie on September 21, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on September 21, 2020, 09:41:45 AM
I agree with the original poster. Not sure how so many people can argue otherwise and suggest TK is not to blame and that somehow it is impossible to identify and sign one CB in the world who is significantly better than Ream!
Feel free to go ahead and find one that is available, oh and don't forget according to this forum the player must have "Premiership experience", apparently it's so easy to do.
I for one don't agree that a player needs premiership experience - the fact they don't has and is constantly disproven. What we need is a commanding CB, one who can control the box from set pieces and has height (like Hector was doing but in the championship) - or two.. and another who can play LCB and knows how to balance communication with speed and accuracy in the tackle (semedo is joining the portuguese revolution at wolves and has played 80 odd times for Barca).
The players exist, Khan just needs to put the money behind someone who's more subtle and diplomatic when it comes to dealing with players.
Problem is Semedo is RB not a CB. Everyone's looking for CB so the good ones are waiting to see who comes in for them and then choosing the best team. And as a newly promoted side we're low on the pecking order. Name a CB that's been signed this window that Fulham could have got?
Its all about cash nothing else. Throw enough of it at a player and he will come. Apart from the top top echelon.
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on September 20, 2020, 07:42:42 PM
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
Totally agree, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, why don't the moaners wait until the 5th October to see what we finish up with, after that date the board is yours to say "we told you so"
We can see what's happening on stage and it's not good enough. We don't need to know what's happening behind the scenes - it's irrelevant. We've got to the point where there's no excuse.
Quote from: blingo on September 21, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Its all about cash nothing else. Throw enough of it at a player and he will come. Apart from the top top echelon.
Surely the coach takes some responsibility Blingo? I'm amazed at the tune Cooper is getting out of Brighton.
Quote from: alfie on September 21, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on September 21, 2020, 09:41:45 AM
I agree with the original poster. Not sure how so many people can argue otherwise and suggest TK is not to blame and that somehow it is impossible to identify and sign one CB in the world who is significantly better than Ream!
Feel free to go ahead and find one that is available, oh and don't forget according to this forum the player must have "Premiership experience", apparently it's so easy to do.
Thanks TK - will do :dft012:
So we have not got the players we need in the essential positions, so far. This is nothing new, so I think we should look behind the scenes to see where recruitment could be improved.
First the scouting staff. We have Brian Talbot, a 67 year old who was a journeyman Pro in his day who has hired his Son, who I am sure has had experience of playing Football with his Kids in the park. This must be a great wheeze for his family, but what gems have they ever unearthed?. Cant think of any, so its time the the Scouting Team where replaced.
I see that Javier has now left as Assistant to Tony the DOF. 9 months in the job, and probably realised that he would not have any influence within his Role. Good luck to a nice man.
We are blessed with having a great Owner, who has brought financial stability ,and genuinely cares about the Club and as well as being a thoroughly decent man. He does however have a Son called Tony.
Tony is a well educated articulate man. Mr Khan Snr, has however realised that he cannot involve him in his main Automobile business.
So what does he do with him?. Well he has given him True Media , the stats based Company, a stake in Wrestling in the States, and Co owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham. I do hope he knows a little bit more about the differences between American football and what we play. When he talks about Coach Parker it worries me.
I really feel he should step back from his DOF role , and get a Professional Football man in to ensure future recruitment is right.
Scott Parker , is a genuine Football man, and if given his Head will one day be a very good Manager. This would include being responsible for his own recruitment of players. Similar to Jean Tigana, and Roy Hodson who produced wonderful Teams.
My concern is that Tony will not see the sense of this, and will regard Fulham as his toy and will not take kindly to the idea of having a professional running the recruitment.
If this does not happen, as certain as God made apples, Coach Parker will be the full guy if things go pee tong. Once again Mr Khan Snr will have to pick up the pieces. I would also hope that he would realise to protect his long term investment at Fulham, he would suggest that his Son steps aside, even if this means he has to put up with a little chin wobble from Junior.
Quote from: steed the legend on September 25, 2020, 01:23:04 PM
So we have not got the players we need in the essential positions, so far. This is nothing new, so I think we should look behind the scenes to see where recruitment could be improved.
First the scouting staff. We have Brian Talbot, a 67 year old who was a journeyman Pro in his day who has hired his Son, who I am sure has had experience of playing Football with his Kids in the park. This must be a great wheeze for his family, but what gems have they ever unearthed?. Cant think of any, so its time the the Scouting Team where replaced.
I see that Javier has now left as Assistant to Tony the DOF. 9 months in the job, and probably realised that he would not have any influence within his Role. Good luck to a nice man.
We are blessed with having a great Owner, who has brought financial stability ,and genuinely cares about the Club and as well as being a thoroughly decent man. He does however have a Son called Tony.
Tony is a well educated articulate man. Mr Khan Snr, has however realised that he cannot involve him in his main Automobile business.
So what does he do with him?. Well he has given him True Media , the stats based Company, a stake in Wrestling in the States, and Co owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham. I do hope he knows a little bit more about the differences between American football and what we play. When he talks about Coach Parker it worries me.
I really feel he should step back from his DOF role , and get a Professional Football man in to ensure future recruitment is right.
Scott Parker , is a genuine Football man, and if given his Head will one day be a very good Manager. This would include being responsible for his own recruitment of players. Similar to Jean Tigana, and Roy Hodson who produced wonderful Teams.
My concern is that Tony will not see the sense of this, and will regard Fulham as his toy and will not take kindly to the idea of having a professional running the recruitment.
If this does not happen, as certain as God made apples, Coach Parker will be the full guy if things go pee tong. Once again Mr Khan Snr will have to pick up the pieces. I would also hope that he would realise to protect his long term investment at Fulham, he would suggest that his Son steps aside, even if this means he has to put up with a little chin wobble from Junior.
HAs it been 7 minutes? Just what we needed, another Tony khan thread.
One thing. Brian Talbot, a journey man pro?
I'm guessing your not old enough to remember him. He was a flipping excellent player. He must have played in at least 4 FA cup finals, scoring at least 1 from memory. Definitely played in a European final and finally played for England.
Remember, players didn't earn the money in the 80's. He would have needed to carry on playing, simply because he ended to keep earning.
having an inexperienced manager and a dof like TK or whatever he classes himself as "head of operations" is a situation no club really wants to find themselves in
Quote from: Statto on September 20, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
As I said on another thread, both our opponents so far, Leeds and Arsenal, needed a CB this summer and they both managed to bring one in for the start of the season (Koch and Gabriel). So this idea that there aren't enough CBs to go around or it's impossible to sign players until the last few days of the window, is obviously bo11ocks. It's just our transfer team, led by TK, being poor compared to other clubs.
So, you're a CB like Gabriel (Arsenal) and two clubs come to you- Fulham and Arsenal. Which one do you go to? The established Prem club with huge stadium and trophy wins galore or Fulham, just back in Prem after being relegated last time around.
You talk about the Leeds Cb as decent. He's worse than any of ours (Koch) in my opinion, though big Hec needs a boot up his backside of late.
Add to this the odd timing of us finishing playoff final (Leeds had a 2 week headstart on us in terms of transfers) and it's not easy.
I don't like particularly defending the bloke as I'd love a really good DOF- but it is what it is and we need to get on with it.
At the end of his illustrious playing career Talbot Snr went into player management at WBA and there followed spells at Aldershot, Hibs, Rushden & Diamonds, Oldham, Oxford United mostly of quite short duration. He managed R&D into the Football League. It is fair to say he has a fine football pedigree. He is Fulham's Chief Scout and Assistant Director of Football Operations appointed by the Khans in 2017. His son is seemingly registered as a player with Dunstable Town. He has played 260 plus games for lower league clubs.
What does that tell us about their scouting ability or the Khans' ability to recruit wisely to an English football club? Is there a pattern here or is there something we are all missing?
Quote from: grandad on September 20, 2020, 09:57:59 AM
How on earth can some blame TK for not signing a CB partner for Hector? How do you know which players he has tried to sign. You can´t just snap your fingers & one will appear.You can lead a horse to water but you can´t make it drink. The Club have always done their recruitment quietly with input from the whole recruitment team. The Khans have invested massively in the Club, hindered by the totally unfair FFP rules.
The problems started in 2010 when MAF had a golden chance to rebuild the squad but he lost interest. Luckily the Khans took us under their wings & have had to build again. They have made mistakes but I trust them to continue running the Club in a financially secure way.
Get off the backs of the Khans & SP. They know what they would like in order to preserve our status but it isn´t always possible to do it at the flick of a switch.
2013 is seven years ago. that isn't a flickof the switch it is a very long time to stamp your authority and style.
I largely do not agree with what you say here because as you probably know I do feel TK is a major drag on our progress. I also do not think MAF 'lost interest' but was clearly showing the signs of age catching up. If he would have remianed, even now I do not think we would have ever been relegated because he would have porfesionals running tema affairs not his family.
Quote from: Jim© on September 25, 2020, 02:13:09 PM
So, you're a CB like Gabriel (Arsenal) and two clubs come to you- Fulham and Arsenal. Which one do you go to? The established Prem club with huge stadium and trophy wins galore or Fulham, just back in Prem after being relegated last time around.
Presumably there's a defender out there, or indeed a whole field of players, who aren't going to get into a top 6 team like Arsenal but would improve our team, as a newly-promoted club, and to whom Fulham would be an attractive destination. And perhaps we'd be well-advised to aim for that sort of player.
