Can't fathom why we're seen by the media as firm favourites for relegation after 2 games while Leeds (who have conceded exactly the same number of goals as us) are seen as "a breath of fresh air"
Current crop of pundits grew up when Leeds were good.
Quote from: Edinburgh White on September 20, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
Can't fathom why we're seen by the media as firm favourites for relegation after 2 games while Leeds (who have conceded exactly the same number of goals as us) are seen as "a breath of fresh air"
I guess it's because they have won 1 game and scored more than us.
I guess that it becuase they attack get people into the box and score goals why we just plod it about in midfield not crossing it into the box to our only player in there thats good with his head until we are 3 goals down
SKY reporting they've got a CB in their sights valued around £17m.
Quote from: SP on September 22, 2020, 05:33:05 PM
SKY reporting they've got a CB in their sights valued around £17m.
Hope its Odoi
Just the heading --------- are better than us.
As much as it grinds me to say it , but it's true.
They won't go down and we won't get out of the bottom three.
Quote from: SP on September 22, 2020, 05:33:05 PM
SKY reporting they've got a CB in their sights valued around £17m.
It's probably one we've been linked with.
Could be this guy
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8702037/Leeds-United-set-sign-Dinamo-Zagreb-centre-Josko-Gvardiol-17m.html
£17m for an 18 year old... that would be one hell of a statement
If they sign their second CB before we even sign one, that pretty much tells you why we're predicted to go down and they're not. Nothing to do with us coming up through the play-offs or having a young manager. Everything to do with being notoriously poor in the transfer market.
They have scored 7 goals in 2 games.
They're signing Diego Llorente. You may recall the name from back when we were linked with him.
Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2020, 07:56:32 PM
They have scored 7 goals in 2 games.
For some context, they have scored 7 goals out of 10 shots on goal. They have not created much, just been incredibly efficient. That is not sustainable.
I suggest listening to Bielsa's post game press conference, as he is refreshingly honest and clearly under no pretence that Leeds have had a good start playing wise. Also interesting comments on Mitro, for those that sometimes question his contributions.
Statto your comments are right on the money,👍
Marcelo Bielsa being a legend.
Quote from: bobbo on September 22, 2020, 09:44:38 PM
Statto your comments are right on the money,👍
Spot on and accurate ⚽️
Noone could argue that we haven't had recruitment problems, and the lack of dcent cbs brought in is glaringly obvious, and very frustrating for fans,for whatever reason, but the name Bielsa must attract good players to the club, and also Leeds with their history, now touted by the media for success again.
But I don't think they are that good, and will be found out.
But they're bound to do better than us, most will say.
But against all reason, I'm going to say - stuff leeds, we will bring in cb's and Parker and the team will show the so and so's.
We are Fulham, stuff Leeds.
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Bielsa is great tbf, and the movement and workrate in that team is tremendous.
But the reason they didn't walk away with the Championship last year is that their players aren't actually that good and that is the same reason they will be towards the bottom this season.
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 22, 2020, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2020, 07:56:32 PM
They have scored 7 goals in 2 games.
For some context, they have scored 7 goals out of 10 shots on goal. They have not created much, just been incredibly efficient. That is not sustainable.
I suggest listening to Bielsa's post game press conference, as he is refreshingly honest and clearly under no pretence that Leeds have had a good start playing wise. Also interesting comments on Mitro, for those that sometimes question his contributions.
Who's questioning Mitro's contributions?
Quote from: Samsara on September 23, 2020, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on September 22, 2020, 09:00:41 PM
Quote from: Samsara on September 22, 2020, 07:56:32 PM
They have scored 7 goals in 2 games.
For some context, they have scored 7 goals out of 10 shots on goal. They have not created much, just been incredibly efficient. That is not sustainable.
I suggest listening to Bielsa's post game press conference, as he is refreshingly honest and clearly under no pretence that Leeds have had a good start playing wise. Also interesting comments on Mitro, for those that sometimes question his contributions.
Who's questioning Mitro's contributions?
I do not keep record of people's comments, and as such I cannot tell you. What I can tell you is that there has been many posts, especially after the covid-break stating that he is not contributing much to our play, and that he is too static, and even some weird poster claiming that he should have scored at least twice as many goals last season (although have to assume that last one was just a troll). There have been many suggestions that we were better when Mitro was out for example (even though we only created probably like two scoring chances per game in those games).
There is nothing to say that there is no merit to such comments, but it is interesting to hear the honest view of someone like Bielsa when he basically said that there is not much his defenders can do against a player like Mitro (as an answer to the question on what his defenders needs to do differently).
Lets be honest, right now Leeds are looking better than us and long time fans , like myself, secretly admire their fast direct attacking style which is more exciting than the wall to wall Parker Ball we have to endure.
However ,the media are going OTT with them and are not giving us any credit for matching them in the game at Elland Road.
Leeds are strengthening their defence with the potential signing of Spanish international Centre back Diego Llorente from Real Sociedad
Quote from: spikey norman on September 23, 2020, 09:48:54 AM
Leeds are strengthening their defence with the potential signing of Spanish international Centre back Diego Llorente from Real Sociedad
We are potentially signing a million and one players by all these media reports.
Personally don't take much notice until they walk out on match day, then I wait 4/5 games before I start to form an opinion.
Leeds spending is just over £80m (just an observation), with just 9 days to go.
Yep Llorente in now and Koch earlier. We were both in roughly the same position coming up but they've signed the players they needed and we haven't. That's the simple difference, and it'll probably be the difference between going down and staying up.
This all maybe correct, by their stadium isn't in the new Fifa game...
Quote from: Statto on September 26, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
Yep Llorente in now and Koch earlier. We were both in roughly the same position coming up but they've signed the players they needed and we haven't. That's the simple difference, and it'll probably be the difference between going down and staying up.
Are they the players they need?
After all we have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and we have not upgraded our CB's
Leeds have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and they have supposedly "upgraded"
Where they have been better than us is up the top end.
Quote from: alfie on September 26, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 26, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
Yep Llorente in now and Koch earlier. We were both in roughly the same position coming up but they've signed the players they needed and we haven't. That's the simple difference, and it'll probably be the difference between going down and staying up.
Are they the players they need?
After all we have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and we have not upgraded our CB's
Leeds have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and they have supposedly "upgraded"
Where they have been better than us is up the top end.
IMO there are a lot of misconceptions and oversimplifications about Leeds flying at the moment because of this 7 goals conceded stat. They conceded most of those goals against the reigning champions. They haven't at any point this season been more than 1 goal behind the opposition. Their goal difference is 0. Perhaps the reason they've conceded so many isn't that their defence is poor, but because they persist with trying to attack the opposition rather than sitting back. In any case, their best defensive signing, Llorente, hasn't even played yet, and they won't keep conceding 3-4 goals per game for long.
Whether Leeds stay up or not and how loved they are really shouldn't be of that much to us. They battled against the Champions at Anfield and lost 4-3. Then they faced everyone's relegation certainty at home and won 4-3. They can score goals but concede them just as easily.
The memory of two seasons ago will still be on the minds of not just the supporters but many at the Club and a few of those will not want to repeat the mistakes they personally made back then.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of those players new to the club haven't had much playing time not because they're not match fit but haven't properly integrated with the squad yet to earn earn game time. The fact that a lot of the new comers know others already in the squad makes me wonder whether players have been asked their opinions on player a and/or b.
Scott has shown loyalty and belief in players (Josh) but isn't affraid to make a difficult choice. Roy did the same with Baird.
So for what it's worth I think the club are going about things differently and in a better way. I can't think of a pundit who I think is worth listening too either.
Quote from: Statto on September 26, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 26, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 26, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
Yep Llorente in now and Koch earlier. We were both in roughly the same position coming up but they've signed the players they needed and we haven't. That's the simple difference, and it'll probably be the difference between going down and staying up.
Are they the players they need?
After all we have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and we have not upgraded our CB's
Leeds have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and they have supposedly "upgraded"
Where they have been better than us is up the top end.
IMO there are a lot of misconceptions and oversimplifications about Leeds flying at the moment because of this 7 goals conceded stat. They conceded most of those goals against the reigning champions. They haven't at any point this season been more than 1 goal behind the opposition. Their goal difference is 0. Perhaps the reason they've conceded so many isn't that their defence is poor, but because they persist with trying to attack the opposition rather than sitting back. In any case, their best defensive signing, Llorente, hasn't even played yet, and they won't keep conceding 3-4 goals per game for long.
Hopefully we won't either.
Quote from: rebel on September 26, 2020, 08:26:05 AM
Leeds spending is just over £80m (just an observation), with just 9 days to go.
And they still have to pay 18m for for Big Kev from RB Lipzieg who they don't want
Quote from: Statto on September 26, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 26, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 26, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
Yep Llorente in now and Koch earlier. We were both in roughly the same position coming up but they've signed the players they needed and we haven't. That's the simple difference, and it'll probably be the difference between going down and staying up.
Are they the players they need?
After all we have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and we have not upgraded our CB's
Leeds have conceded 7 goals in 2 games and they have supposedly "upgraded"
Where they have been better than us is up the top end.
IMO there are a lot of misconceptions and oversimplifications about Leeds flying at the moment because of this 7 goals conceded stat. They conceded most of those goals against the reigning champions. They haven't at any point this season been more than 1 goal behind the opposition. Their goal difference is 0. Perhaps the reason they've conceded so many isn't that their defence is poor, but because they persist with trying to attack the opposition rather than sitting back. In any case, their best defensive signing, Llorente, hasn't even played yet, and they won't keep conceding 3-4 goals per game for long.
IMO the biggest misconception is around Leeds offense. They have created very little, but just happened to score on almost all of their chances. Their defense has been poor and the 7 goals against reflects that, but their offense hasn't been very good either. I do understand that it is the most important stat to score goals, but it is not sustainable to score on 75% of your chances. They may of course get their act together, but otherwise they will get relegated just as is the case for us. I think Leeds are vastly overrated based on their performances so far.
Of course they won't concede 3-4 goals every game, but they also won't score 3-4 goals every game.
In my opinion.
