So, 3 league games lost on the bounce and a league cup defeat to Championship team.
All i see is a lot of overreaction by huge swathes of our "supporters" ready to sack off just about everyone involved.
In the cold light of day today, had we taken our chances last night, especially that 20 minute spell after half time (best we've been this season) I think we'd have gone on to win the game. Brentford could barely get close to the ball.
Looking back at league games I expected little from Arsenal game- but was encouraged by a very decent first half performance.
Leeds away, again, we didn't look bad at all, just crazy decision making gifted goals (and a fair old dive by Bamford). But for a post we could have come away with a point.
Villa home, more crazy decisions by defenders and we're giving goals away whilst looking on a par for long chunks of the game.
Interesting to note we've had the 7th most shots, 12th most shots on target in Prem thus far. Nine teams have conceded more shots this season.
However and this is where we fall down- the conversion rate against us is 55%. So more than every other shot on target is going in, which is very high.
We need to improve, of course we do, but I don't go along with a lot of the "worst ever", "embarrassing", "laughing stock" stuff that I'm seeing.
A couple of good new additions and we could be looking pretty OK in my mind.
Fans in overreaction shocker.
I agree we do overreact and our answer to all things is to sack or get rid of anybody or everybody involved. As if somehow life is a computer game. Which is where our problems lie.
If I could look at the squad and see players brought in and see an improvement from last season, player on player. I would moan about the lack of defenders but at least we could see improvement. But not one player arguably, has improved us. We can debate the point over one or two. But if we are honest, this squad would struggle in the Championship.
Yes we over react and yes we should all count our blessings. But the bad thing is the lack of improvement and that is a shame. We should have learned from out last visit here two years ago. But all we have done is spent less and brought in very average looking replacements.
well reasoned arguments Jim© however conceding 3 goals a game is just not acceptable I don't care who is the manager, DoF, tea lady or boot boy.
if we get new additions, they'll be a gamble.
our squad from last season should be able to play as a team, they don't appear to be able to at the moment and the "errors" are very basic stuff, so until the players play as a team we are going to be the "worst ever", "embarrassing" and "laughing stock"
I fear the issues are deeper than not having quality CBs
The thing is the "worst ever", "embarrassing", "laughing stock" stuff is not just coming from pessimistic Fulham fans on here. It's coming from the wider football community of commentators and non-Fulham fans. So if they say they're laughing at us, then they're laughing at us.
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
The thing is the "worst ever", "embarrassing", "laughing stock" stuff is not just coming from pessimistic Fulham fans on here. It's coming from the wider football community of commentators and non-Fulham fans. So if they say they're laughing at us, then they're laughing at us.
F**K em
There is hope, the 'purple patch' against Leeds, we played good football and defended well. We need to do that for 90 minutes plus. Park needs to get the team playing to it's strengths. If Parker goes any new manager will do exactly that. A new manage won't try and invent 'the wheel', it's already there.
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
The thing is the "worst ever", "embarrassing", "laughing stock" stuff is not just coming from pessimistic Fulham fans on here. It's coming from the wider football community of commentators and non-Fulham fans. So if they say they're laughing at us, then they're laughing at us.
This. The worst team last season in the PL actually won plaudits from many for their commitment to playing pretty football, even if a lack of talent meant that more often than not, they didn't get the result.
We are winning plaudits for having the worst defence ever assembled in the top flight.
Our season depends on what happens in the next few days until the first transfer window closes.
If we get 2 reasonable cbs in who are good to go for the sheff United game - then I think we have a fighting chance to avoid relegation.
I don't want us to aim for getting good cbs in before the second transfer window closes - that will be too late.
I think we will lose to Wolves but after that we need to start getting points.
Its the manner of the performances, the lack of cohesion, effort, desire, if there was any semblance of fight and desire then there would be hope.
I felt for Lookman, he came on v Brentford and made a difference, his energy was so much greater than those around him yet no one seemed inspired by this.
That's what worries me.
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Quote from: whitejc on October 02, 2020, 10:28:22 AM
I fear the issues are deeper than not having quality CBs.
Agree with you 100% and it it is the deeper issues that have been around for as long as the Khans have been here if not from before. Ironically, in view of the OP comment, the answer from the Khans has been to sack somebody, anybody, regardless of the more profound implications of understanding what the problem really is and where it stems from. They are shooters in a dark business they little understand, in a sport's culture very different to their own country.
A hierarchy is, in principle, the foundation upon which the rest of an entity is built. If the foundations are wrong the whole will shake until it crumbles. A wise occupant of the whole, experiencing the shaking, will get an expert in to look at the foundations and carry out remedial work and make them safe. This runs counter to what the Khans have done in every which way you care to look. They needed a figurehead who understood English football from the bottom up at the very beginning of their stewardship. That appointment to the Club alone would have guided their business plan and avoided some of the more disastrous mistakes had they found the right person. IMO.
Quote from: Tempest on October 02, 2020, 10:48:48 AM
Its the manner of the performances, the lack of cohesion, effort, desire, if there was any semblance of fight and desire then there would be hope.
I felt for Lookman, he came on v Brentford and made a difference, his energy was so much greater than those around him yet no one seemed inspired by this.
That's what worries me.
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I've not seen any lack of desire- none at all.
I think the team as a whole were inspired by Lookman but after that period of 20 mins when we looked great, they scored an easy goal and our heads went down- which is understandable.
I've been a Fulham supporter for 20 + years. Watching the team in the lower leagues was better than that completely embarrassing show last night. At least in the third division, you didn't expect much but the players played with a bit of pride and passion. Last night, there was none of it. No pride, no passion, and absolutely no confidence. Scott puts the team out to play how he used to - sideways and round in circles. There is nothing clinical, nothing a bit rough around the edges (which is needed at times).
There are players that are getting in the way, and clog up the wage bill.
Seri, Ream (simply lost it), McDonald, Knockaert, Cavaleiro.
All should be put on the list, even given away if needs be.
Others can and should be sold.
There is something rotten that is poisoning this club.
To relate to the OP, I think overall we've had a mixture of bad defending and bad luck.
The 55% conversion rate of shots against is scary high, and when you look at some of the goals, they are one-offs. Costa's first goal was an incredible shot, he'd pull that off maybe 1 in 25 times. Bamford's finish was unusually accurate, he is generally quite profligate. Costa's second was unsaveable (albeit he was unmarked). The Aston Villa goals all came down to bad defending, but I still think we were unlucky to see BDR's goal chalked off, I felt the Mitro bit was more of an accidental collision than a foul, and it was before Kamara even took the shot so I don't see why it should be considered as part of the goal.
Against Brentford, Kebano's freekick or decent effort on goal were both unlucky not to be goals. yes, some bad decision making going forward as well. But we shouldnt discount the impact a bit of luck can have on the team's fortunes.
We're crying out for a bit of good fortune, a lucky deflection, a cheap penalty, whatever, to just change our luck and get us a foothold. RIght now it seems every shot taken against us is a goal.
Funny how different people see the same game yet view it differently.
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Quote from: Tempest on October 02, 2020, 10:48:48 AM
Its the manner of the performances, the lack of cohesion, effort, desire, if there was any semblance of fight and desire then there would be hope.
I felt for Lookman, he came on v Brentford and made a difference, his energy was so much greater than those around him yet no one seemed inspired by this.
That's what worries me.
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I've not seen any lack of desire- none at all.
I think the team as a whole were inspired by Lookman but after that period of 20 mins when we looked great, they scored an easy goal and our heads went down- which is understandable.
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Quote from: bencher on October 02, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
To relate to the OP, I think overall we've had a mixture of bad defending and bad luck.
The 55% conversion rate of shots against is scary high, and when you look at some of the goals, they are one-offs. Costa's first goal was an incredible shot, he'd pull that off maybe 1 in 25 times. Bamford's finish was unusually accurate, he is generally quite profligate. Costa's second was unsaveable (albeit he was unmarked). The Aston Villa goals all came down to bad defending, but I still think we were unlucky to see BDR's goal chalked off, I felt the Mitro bit was more of an accidental collision than a foul, and it was before Kamara even took the shot so I don't see why it should be considered as part of the goal.
Against Brentford, Kebano's freekick or decent effort on goal were both unlucky not to be goals. yes, some bad decision making going forward as well. But we shouldnt discount the impact a bit of luck can have on the team's fortunes.
We're crying out for a bit of good fortune, a lucky deflection, a cheap penalty, whatever, to just change our luck and get us a foothold. RIght now it seems every shot taken against us is a goal.
Incredibly- Newcastle have had 3 shots on target this season in the prem. They've got 4 points. 2-0 win v Brighton and last min pen v Spurs. Yep, I'd take a large chunk of luck at this moment in time!
Quote from: bencher on October 02, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
To relate to the OP, I think overall we've had a mixture of bad defending and bad luck.
The 55% conversion rate of shots against is scary high, and when you look at some of the goals, they are one-offs. Costa's first goal was an incredible shot, he'd pull that off maybe 1 in 25 times. Bamford's finish was unusually accurate, he is generally quite profligate. Costa's second was unsaveable (albeit he was unmarked). The Aston Villa goals all came down to bad defending, but I still think we were unlucky to see BDR's goal chalked off, I felt the Mitro bit was more of an accidental collision than a foul, and it was before Kamara even took the shot so I don't see why it should be considered as part of the goal.
Against Brentford, Kebano's freekick or decent effort on goal were both unlucky not to be goals. yes, some bad decision making going forward as well. But we shouldnt discount the impact a bit of luck can have on the team's fortunes.
We're crying out for a bit of good fortune, a lucky deflection, a cheap penalty, whatever, to just change our luck and get us a foothold. RIght now it seems every shot taken against us is a goal.
You have to make your own luck, it does not just turn up one morning on your doorstep.
The harder you work the luckier you get.
Luck is an explanation for someone else's success.
We now know who inspired Monty Python's Black Knight. "It's just a flesh wound." "I'm invincible."
There is no bad luck about it.
We do not have a prem quality squad and have an inexperienced manager that is struggling with trying to play a formation and style that can only work when you have world class players and a central midfielder that is physical in the old fashioned way.
I have seen all the games like all of you and I very p[essimisitic about our chances. We play some pretty stuff but have been behind within 10 miniutes in every league game so far and conceded in all three with 5 miniutes of the re start. That spoeaks voliumes, it is not 'bad luck.'
Under slav I always felt we had the possibility of coming good, I do not see that this time. I am not calling for parlker's head but am extrremel disapointed in what he is doing and the style, he is clearly making things worse. But the squad, as ever under the Khan's is wrong, wrong, wrong. They are not taking it seriously. We have a new web site but not a proper team. TK said he woill do better, when? Unless he knows how to get four top class players in by the end of the deadline then it is hard to see how we can win a game this season unless we start scoring 4 or more every game.
In all these years i have loved supporting the team, but these guys are taking all the fun out of it. The idea the owner's son will run team affairs is an afront to my intelligence and it is no wonder I get so upset. It is because they have taken the fun out oif it. I can cope with ;losing because i used to think we were always capable of pulling off a shock and beating anyone. Today I cannot see us winning any games at all. I know by the laws of average we will get a couple of fluky wins but that will not impress me.
The Khan's simply do not learn any lessons, if they did TK would stand aside in favour of proper experieinced people. Not bad pluck, rank bad management.
"Is it that bad?"
YES it is. And much like you, I had posted well before the season started that I wasn't concerned about the Arsenal result. BUT, I was looking at the following 5-6 games where I felt FFC could realistically be expected to compete and take points. Obviously before things started we were all looking for upgrades in back four, which never happened. But even without those upgrades, I think most FFC supporters felt points could still be captured from the likes of Leeds and Villa. Terribly disappointing season start, and yes, it is bad. One wonders how/when/where this team can secure points. Relegation is almost a foregone conclusion at this point.
Quote from: Jim© on October 02, 2020, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: Tempest on October 02, 2020, 10:48:48 AM
Its the manner of the performances, the lack of cohesion, effort, desire, if there was any semblance of fight and desire then there would be hope.
I felt for Lookman, he came on v Brentford and made a difference, his energy was so much greater than those around him yet no one seemed inspired by this.
That's what worries me.
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I've not seen any lack of desire- none at all.
I think the team as a whole were inspired by Lookman but after that period of 20 mins when we looked great, they scored an easy goal and our heads went down- which is understandable.
No it's not understandable, these guys are professional footballers, trained to a ridiculously high level from a very young age. There really was no passion, no desire just a a crowd of over entitled over paid un mature men on the pitch. They need to grow some and stop strutting around pointing as though it's not their fault.
It is that bad! However as was mentioned in another post yesterday - Crystal Palace had an even worse start 3 seasons ago (six defeats on the trot I believe).
I think all we want to see is 11 players on the pitch that play as a team and make a fight of it over 90mins. If we can get these (seemingly elusive) new centre backs on board and cut out the stupid mistakes every game, then I think we have a good chance of finishing one point above 18th place. We will need to have a lot of luck with injuries as well - as our back up players cannot be relied upon based on what we saw last night!
In my opinion - the other teams in the bottom four are all as crap as us on paper. The advantage they all have over us is a more experienced manager. That said - we should not be sacking Parker at this stage, otherwise we will continue to follow the same suicidal path we have done twice previously.
Quote from: Southdowns White on October 02, 2020, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Jim© on October 02, 2020, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: Tempest on October 02, 2020, 10:48:48 AM
Its the manner of the performances, the lack of cohesion, effort, desire, if there was any semblance of fight and desire then there would be hope.
I felt for Lookman, he came on v Brentford and made a difference, his energy was so much greater than those around him yet no one seemed inspired by this.
That's what worries me.
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I've not seen any lack of desire- none at all.
I think the team as a whole were inspired by Lookman but after that period of 20 mins when we looked great, they scored an easy goal and our heads went down- which is understandable.
No it's not understandable, these guys are professional footballers, trained to a ridiculously high level from a very young age. There really was no passion, no desire just a a crowd of over entitled over paid un mature men on the pitch. They need to grow some and stop strutting around pointing as though it's not their fault.
Whilst they may be all of those things, another thing they are is human. We'd had a very good spell, even the commentators were commenting on how good we looked. We give a free kick away and the easiest of goals and our heads drop. I understand it, I've played sport at a good level and i'd feel the same. It's human nature- nothing that can be affected by paying someone money or otherwise.
Yes
Quote from: Lordedmundo on October 02, 2020, 02:49:07 PM
Crystal Palace had an even worse start 3 seasons ago (six defeats on the trot I believe).
That Palace side would still be above us on goal difference with three games played
Quote from: 70sPimlico on October 02, 2020, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Statto on October 02, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
The thing is the "worst ever", "embarrassing", "laughing stock" stuff is not just coming from pessimistic Fulham fans on here. It's coming from the wider football community of commentators and non-Fulham fans. So if they say they're laughing at us, then they're laughing at us.
F**K em
:plus one:
One simple undisputable fact, two new reliable centre backs of some quality has to be our priority, getting them will not immediately turn us into a good premier league team but failing to sign them by Monday night will mean almost certain relegation.
