The Club have today submitted a squad list for the 2020/21 Premier League season.
The squad contains no more than 17 players that do not fulfil the 'Home Grown Player' criteria out of the 25-man roster.
Our 25-man squad is as follows:
GOALKEEPERS
Alphonse Areola
Fabricio Ramirez
Marek Rodák
DEFENDERS
Tosin Adarabioyo
Ola Aina
Joachim Andersen
Joe Bryan
Michael Hector
Terence Kongolo
Maxime Le Marchand
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream
Antonee Robinson
Kenny Tete
MIDFIELDERS
Tom Cairney
Mario Lemina
Ruben Loftus-Cheek
Harrison Reed
André-Frank Zambo Anguissa
ATTACKERS
Ivan Cavaleiro
Aboubakar Kamara
Neeskens Kebano
Ademola Lookman
Aleksandar Mitrović
Bobby De Cordova-Reid
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
Seri's career is kill. Is there even a league we can loan him to?
Fabri made it?
No Seri is a shock considering the price tag.
KMAC
Stef Jo
Onomah missing too?
That's a surprise for JO
Quote from: sarvenpa on October 20, 2020, 05:01:22 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
That's Josh working from home for 10 weeks then.
So Seri is out as I had thought was a possibility. The others were all predictable with Onamah being injured.
Quote from: Riversider on October 20, 2020, 05:03:06 PM
That's Josh working from home for 10 weeks then.
he will drop to the 23s. Let's be honest he wasn't gonna get in the team anyway
Josh Onomah is supposedly out until mid December so has been left out. Andersen is obviously back before then
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he m
isses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Or maybe, just maybe Andersen isn't going to be a long lay off after all.
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Maybe Onomah has even longer time to fully fit?
Good that it implies a pre xmas return for Anderson. Slightly surprised Odoi made that cut but he is useful to have on the bench as can play anywhere across the back
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Different injuries take differing amounts of time to heal? Anderson should be back in November, if Josh isn't ready until December then he can play in the U23's until January when we take one of the surplus defenders out and add him in
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Different injuries take differing amounts of time to heal? Anderson should be back in November, if Josh isn't ready until December then he can play in the U23's until January when we take one of the surplus defenders out and add him in
TomRogers FFC.
@FulhamFC
Onomah is out until mid December
is it as tetes out they need Odoi as back up so Onomah misses out and been told come Jan when Tete fit Odois out and your in, Still only have room for 25 no mater what.
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Maybe Onomah has even longer time to fully fit?
yes that's possible, I didn't even know he was injured. The club aren't very good at communicating with the fans
Quote from: Nero on October 20, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
is it as tetes out they need Odoi as back up so Onomah misses out and been told come Jan when Tete fit Odois out and your in, Still only have room for 25 no mater what.
I'd assume that one of the CB's would be on the chopping block before Odoi. Might be that MLM is staying as Kongolo and Andersen are currently injured.
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Quote from: Nero on October 20, 2020, 05:12:39 PM
is it as tetes out they need Odoi as back up so Onomah misses out and been told come Jan when Tete fit Odois out and your in, Still only have room for 25 no mater what.
I'd assume that one of the CB's would be on the chopping block before Odoi. Might be that MLM is staying as Kongolo and Andersen are currently injured.
you would imagine that to be the case. Can't be many teams with 6 centre backs registered in it.
So Andersen and Tete are currently out... That makes sense then to have Odoi and one of Ream or MLM in, but not sure it justifies both.
We should be looking to have two solid options in each position. Odoi is a utility man, and whilst he's the biggest liability for me, his versatility makes him important.
GK
Rodak
Areola
RB
Tete
Aina
(Tete out injured means Odoi)
CBs
Kongolo
Tosin
Andersen (out injured)
Ream
Hector/MLM (one of those two makes sense to ditch)
LB
Bryan
Robinson
RW
Kebano
Cavaleiro
CM
RLC
Cairney
Anguissa
Lemina
Reed (one extra as covers two spots)
LW
Lookman
BDR
FWD
Mitro
Kamara
In my opinion I find it strange and am gutted to see Stefan left out - weird to think not only what he can offer but also that Norway's captain is now not able to play competitive football between now and January, unless we simply let him go on a free.
Kamara has got in by the skin of his teeth - we simply don't have any genuine options up front as an out and out striker aside from Mitro and playing the numbers game means he's in the squad.
Onomah - I feel really sorry for. He was really positive for us towards the back end of last season and I thought Parker really rated him as a player and he's young and was getting better and more confident too. Is the jump to the other players that significant? Perhaps. Lemina, RLC and Anguissa are all clearly above the quality of most of the midfield we had last season. That said though, is it a stupid transfer policy when RLC and perhaps Lemina are both loans with no options when we have players on permanent contracts that aren't even in the 25? I think so and that's a problem with how we recruited.
Kmac - lovely guy and has more than earned his time at the club both on and off the pitch. Just a shame we couldn't get him offloaded to another club. I think we should pimp him out to other clubs and give him a glowing reference and hopefully another club in the championship will pick him up. He hardly played much last season, so sadly the writing was on the wall. He posted something to his instagram with a picture of him in a Fuham shirt saying 'keep smiling, it could be worse' yesterday, so i assume he was told then.I think he still has something to offer a championship team, fitness levels and physical mobility dependent.
Sad times at the club and a shame so many careers with the club have had to end this way. Especially as both Stefan and KMac stayed after we got relegated again despite playing key roles in getting us promoted the first time and then not playing afterwards.
Badge of honour.
Not surprised about SteffJo at all. He doesn't do it for us at all. I predicted Seri (good riddance) and KMac (that's a shame). I thought the 4th would be Fabri. AK was a cert to make it
Quote from: General on October 20, 2020, 06:17:43 PM
Onomah - I feel really sorry for. He was really positive for us towards the back end of last season and I thought Parker really rated him as a player and he's young and was getting better and more confident too. Is the jump to the other players that significant? Perhaps. Lemina, RLC and Anguissa are all clearly above the quality of most of the midfield we had last season. That said though, is it a stupid transfer policy when RLC and perhaps Lemina are both loans with no options when we have players on permanent contracts that aren't even in the 25? I think so and that's a problem with how we recruited.
Just two small points, Onomah wasn't picked because he's out with injury until December so there wasn't much point picking him in all honesty until he's able to contribute, and if we stay up we have an obligation to purchase Lemina which is a good deal for all parties
Looks a good squad but surely Seri should have been transfered during the window. What does he do now .
Two observations: Our squad is actually 26 players...
Given that - what ever happened to the home grown rule?
Arsenal's squad is 29 players strong, but they have a lot of players that have come through their academy and have dropped Mesut Ozil.
Why wouldn't Tosin be considered a home grown player? Because he didn't come through our academy? Or he's over a certain age?
Quote from: General on October 20, 2020, 06:17:43 PM
In my opinion I find it strange and am gutted to see Stefan left out - weird to think not only what he can offer but also that Norway's captain is now not able to play competitive football between now and January, unless we simply let him go on a free.
You saw that Scott didn't rate him in the Championship though. Why would his opinion change in a tougher league?
I think all the omissions were obvious ones that Scott would make...based on his history. He didn't rate Seri, didn't rate McDonald, didn't rate Stefjo and Onomah was injured. (MLM probably lucked out with Onomah being injured)
I think seri is being 'taught a lesson'
The thing about Seri is that he's 3.3 mil per year or Or 65k per week apparently. That really hurts the wage bill. One would have thought that surely the club would have moved mountains to get some of that off the books.
The MLS transfer window doesn't close until Thursday Oct. 29th. Wonder if the club could find a team to at least take some of the wage bill?
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The thing about Seri is that he's 3.3 mil per year or Or 65k per week apparently. That really hurts the wage bill. One would have thought that surely the club would have moved mountains to get some of that off the books.
The MLS transfer window doesn't close until Thursday Oct. 29th. Wonder if the club could find a team to at least take some of the wage bill?
I'm sure we tried to move him. Can't make teams take a player they don't value.
And what's truly the negative effect of having him hurt our wage bill this season? Personally, I know I didn't want to see him on the pitch. Win imo regardless of his wage.
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So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Lie? That's a bit strong.
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Quote from: love4ffc on October 20, 2020, 07:18:27 PM
The thing about Seri is that he's 3.3 mil per year or Or 65k per week apparently. That really hurts the wage bill. One would have thought that surely the club would have moved mountains to get some of that off the books.
The MLS transfer window doesn't close until Thursday Oct. 29th. Wonder if the club could find a team to at least take some of the wage bill?
I'm sure we tried to move him. Can't make teams take a player they don't value.
And what's truly the negative effect of having him hurt our wage bill this season? Personally, I know I didn't want to see him on the pitch. Win imo regardless of his wage.
we did try to loan him, it was all agreed and seri himself cancelled the move
Can anyone explain to me what the point of this 25 man squad concept is? And this season it seems particularly pointless, as what would happen if a squad is ravaged by coronavirus and they only have 5 players not in isolation or positive for Covid? Would they have to play their youth team? Forfeit the match?
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Can anyone explain to me what the point of this 25 man squad concept is? And this season it seems particularly pointless, as what would happen if a squad is ravaged by coronavirus and they only have 5 players not in isolation or positive for Covid? Would they have to play their youth team? Forfeit the match?
They'd make you forfeit the match
Shame to see Stefjo left out - particularly with all four players dropped being central midfielders (strange!), I think he has something to offer in a box to box role. Always been decent for us and a solid pro. I would have dropped Fabri or one of the centre backs (do we need 7?!)
As a post above mentioned especially disappointing for StefJo as recently been the Norwegian captain (last match absent due to injury).
I believe Kevin MacDonald is doing his coaching qualifications so hopefully can use this period in a coaching capacity.
Seri might be able to move to Portugal or Turkey?
Surprised to see Seri left out given his wages. We are well stocked in central midfield though. I expect if Andersen had veen fit we'd have cut one of MLM or Odoi.
Hopefully we can send Seri out on loan.
Quote from: General on October 20, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
Two observations: Our squad is actually 26 players...
Given that - what ever happened to the home grown rule?
Arsenal's squad is 29 players strong, but they have a lot of players that have come through their academy and have dropped Mesut Ozil.
Why wouldn't Tosin be considered a home grown player? Because he didn't come through our academy? Or he's over a certain age?
Because he didn't come through our academy.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 20, 2020, 09:07:28 PM
Surprised to see Seri left out given his wages. We are well stocked in central midfield though. I expect if Andersen had veen fit we'd have cut one of MLM or Odoi.
Hopefully we can send Seri out on loan.
Since we are paying Seri's wages regardless, I don't see why it should factor into a decision like this. A little surprised though that not one of Seri and Johansen was included.
Seri to China would be great, probably the only place where they would pay a big chunk of his salary...
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 20, 2020, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: General on October 20, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
Two observations: Our squad is actually 26 players...
Given that - what ever happened to the home grown rule?
Arsenal's squad is 29 players strong, but they have a lot of players that have come through their academy and have dropped Mesut Ozil.
Why wouldn't Tosin be considered a home grown player? Because he didn't come through our academy? Or he's over a certain age?
Because he didn't come through our academy.
Rodak did however come through our academy.
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Quote from: fulhamben on October 20, 2020, 05:00:27 PM
So the big surprise is Onomah being dropped. Along with seri kmac and stefjo
Peter Rutzler
@peterrutzler
"I understand Onomah is injured, which is why he misses the cut. #FFC"
which is a lie as Anderson has a long lay off and he still made it
Lie? That's a bit strong.
Think they exp3ct Anderson back after the next international break
Emotional and quite marvellous tribute to our midfield double act who guided us through our fantastic Joka years on Twitter written by White Noise.
Apologies if this has already been posted but I see that the players omitted from our squad include; Seri, Johansen, McDonald and Onomah. Shame about Onomah as he showed some form last year, as for Seri the least said about such a costly flop the better.
My understanding is that Onomah apparently is left out as he is injured until December then he can come back into the squad in the new year if required and AN Other may be left out.
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Seri to China would be great, probably the only place where they would pay a big chunk of his salary...
Our local Chinese Takeaway is looking for a delivery driver.🤗
A slightly earlier thread has just shown up on my iPad. So mods please feel free to close this thread.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 20, 2020, 09:09:27 PM
Quote from: General on October 20, 2020, 06:57:10 PM
Two observations: Our squad is actually 26 players...
Given that - what ever happened to the home grown rule?
Arsenal's squad is 29 players strong, but they have a lot of players that have come through their academy and have dropped Mesut Ozil.
Why wouldn't Tosin be considered a home grown player? Because he didn't come through our academy? Or he's over a certain age?
Because he didn't come through our academy.
That's incorrect, he counts as homegrown. I believe two different things are being mixed here. Each squad can a maximum number of 17 non homegrown players . Doesn't have to be from our own academy, but needs to have spent at least three seasons in the UK before 21 years of age. As such Tosin counts as homegrown. As do Rodak, Aina, Hector, Bryan, Robinson, Cairney, RLC, Reed, Lookman (and Onomah).
Another thing is that outside of the 25 players allowed, you can have an unlimited number of players under a certain age (21?). We have no such players in our squad, but could use youngsters anyway I assume. Arsenal has a bunch In their registered squad, hence they can go above the 25 allowed.
Heres our 25 man squad with 20 of them being defenders....
Might as well be!
Love it
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Quote from: Craven_Chris on October 20, 2020, 05:07:02 PM
Good that it implies a pre xmas return for Anderson. Slightly surprised Odoi made that cut but he is useful to have on the bench as can play anywhere across the back
He can, albeit very badly at this level!
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 20, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Parker made it clear he didn't want Seri, so Seri's agent thought he was guaranteed to be sold and held out for £15.5m wages at club of Seri's choice.
It seems Seri is only worth £16m, so if Fulham want any money they have to convince Seri that he won't leave unless he lowers his wages of £15.5m over five years.
Tony Khan gave Seri options, a) he can train with the u23s squad for the next 2 years, b) earn his spot in the first team for 2021 or c) get FFC a £5m transfer fee, but Seri cannot d) sign a £15.5m contract with another club and FFC get less than £1m.
Good on Tony Khan for not giving into Seri.
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 20, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Parker made it clear he didn't want Seri, so Seri's agent thought he was guaranteed to be sold and held out for £15.5m wages at club of Seri's choice.
It seems Seri is only worth £16m, so if Fulham want any money they have to convince Seri that he won't leave unless he lowers his wages of £15.5m over five years.
Tony Khan gave Seri options, a) he can train with the u23s squad for the next 2 years, b) earn his spot in the first team for 2021 or c) get FFC a £5m transfer fee, but Seri cannot d) sign a £15.5m contract with another club and FFC get less than £1m.
Good on Tony Khan for not giving into Seri.
Bad on him for the ill judgement in buying Seri or should I say in being mugged to waste that amount of money on a dud in the first place and then being lumbered with his wages, and you are congratulating the owners son for this incompetence.
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 20, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Parker made it clear he didn't want Seri, so Seri's agent thought he was guaranteed to be sold and held out for £15.5m wages at club of Seri's choice.
It seems Seri is only worth £16m, so if Fulham want any money they have to convince Seri that he won't leave unless he lowers his wages of £15.5m over five years.
Tony Khan gave Seri options, a) he can train with the u23s squad for the next 2 years, b) earn his spot in the first team for 2021 or c) get FFC a £5m transfer fee, but Seri cannot d) sign a £15.5m contract with another club and FFC get less than £1m.
Good on Tony Khan for not giving into Seri.
One can see why his Agent thinks that they have a good position to negotiate from, even alternative D is a decent saving for us as we can avoid his wages for 2 years.
a) cost to Fulham -7m
b) cost to Fulham -7m
c) cost to Fulham +5m
d) cost to Fulham +1m
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 20, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Parker made it clear he didn't want Seri, so Seri's agent thought he was guaranteed to be sold and held out for £15.5m wages at club of Seri's choice.
It seems Seri is only worth £16m, so if Fulham want any money they have to convince Seri that he won't leave unless he lowers his wages of £15.5m over five years.
Tony Khan gave Seri options, a) he can train with the u23s squad for the next 2 years, b) earn his spot in the first team for 2021 or c) get FFC a £5m transfer fee, but Seri cannot d) sign a £15.5m contract with another club and FFC get less than £1m.
Good on Tony Khan for not giving into Seri.
One can see why his Agent thinks that they have a good position to negotiate from, even alternative D is a decent saving for us as we can avoid his wages for 2 years.
a) cost to Fulham -7m
b) cost to Fulham -7m
c) cost to Fulham +5m
d) cost to Fulham +1m
It's not that simple, if I understand FFP properly. Selling Seri for a big loss would be really bad.
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 20, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Parker made it clear he didn't want Seri, so Seri's agent thought he was guaranteed to be sold and held out for £15.5m wages at club of Seri's choice.
It seems Seri is only worth £16m, so if Fulham want any money they have to convince Seri that he won't leave unless he lowers his wages of £15.5m over five years.
Tony Khan gave Seri options, a) he can train with the u23s squad for the next 2 years, b) earn his spot in the first team for 2021 or c) get FFC a £5m transfer fee, but Seri cannot d) sign a £15.5m contract with another club and FFC get less than £1m.
Good on Tony Khan for not giving into Seri.
One can see why his Agent thinks that they have a good position to negotiate from, even alternative D is a decent saving for us as we can avoid his wages for 2 years.
a) cost to Fulham -7m
b) cost to Fulham -7m
c) cost to Fulham +5m
d) cost to Fulham +1m
It's not that simple, if I understand FFP properly. Selling Seri for a big loss would be really bad. I assume the club wanted to loan him out to get some of his wages covered and he didn't want that, prefering just to enjoy London and collect a check. Which is his prerogative, if not exactly an inspiring response.
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Quote from: General on October 20, 2020, 06:17:43 PM
In my opinion I find it strange and am gutted to see Stefan left out - weird to think not only what he can offer but also that Norway's captain is now not able to play competitive football between now and January, unless we simply let him go on a free.
You saw that Scott didn't rate him in the Championship though. Why would his opinion change in a tougher league?
I think all the omissions were obvious ones that Scott would make...based on his history. He didn't rate Seri, didn't rate McDonald, didn't rate Stefjo and Onomah was injured. (MLM probably lucked out with Onomah being injured)
I think it's a question of whether scott should be more objective in the way he views stefan. Stefan wasn't given much game time, which made me think it was perhaps more of a personal clash as it is proven he is a reliable contributor in the championship. As someone said he's also not as old as MLM. I also think, had Scott seen Johansen for his merits then he would've seen that he had the creativity we needed as an AM, CAM type player last season, someone who can split a defence or find that reaching pass (like Lemina) but also score goals. I simply think Stefan is more of a Ollie Norwood level (Norwood stepped up with Sheffield Utd and put in a real account of himself in their success last season) and could make the step up alongside better quality players and think he proves that internationally and I think he's been unfairly treated.
I'm also dissapointed in Seri - I thought he'd perhaps get the fact he wasn't moving on and therefore it may have prompted him to put the effort in and apply himself to get into the squad at the very least. Someone said they think him being left out may be the kick up the backside he needed from Scott - I hope that's the case, but if he hasn't done it already... he runs the risk of being with us being the worst decision for him - noone likes to see that happen.
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Brilliant
In all seriousness that sort of gamesmanship and mettle was as important in our first promotion season as the slick passing etc
I personally will miss Steph . He combined play very well, and was good box to box. Also having the ability of being able to take one for the Team made the midfield far tighter. We will now only have Harrison Reed who has that in his locker. Any capable Sunday league Team should be able to waltz pass the other midfield players that we have. Lets hope our two Centre backs are ready for a load of action this Season.
Both Steph Jo and K Mac have been great servants to this club and I, for one, will certainly miss them.
Last time we were in this division, Johansen didn't get much of a look in and when he did it was it a struggling team. So by all means call those excuses for the fact that we he did take the pitch, it all seemed too quick for him. He tried his usual, but found it hard either to get on the ball or hinder opponents.
Quote from: filham on October 20, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Looks a good squad but surely Seri should have been transfered during the window. What does he do now .
He sits in the warm and laughs all the way to the bank.
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Quote from: Denzil Dexter on October 20, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
Seri gets an easy life. Turn up for training and get paid £?????? every week
Parker made it clear he didn't want Seri, so Seri's agent thought he was guaranteed to be sold and held out for £15.5m wages at club of Seri's choice.
It seems Seri is only worth £16m, so if Fulham want any money they have to convince Seri that he won't leave unless he lowers his wages of £15.5m over five years.
Tony Khan gave Seri options, a) he can train with the u23s squad for the next 2 years, b) earn his spot in the first team for 2021 or c) get FFC a £5m transfer fee, but Seri cannot d) sign a £15.5m contract with another club and FFC get less than £1m.
Good on Tony Khan for not giving into Seri.
One can see why his Agent thinks that they have a good position to negotiate from, even alternative D is a decent saving for us as we can avoid his wages for 2 years.
a) cost to Fulham -7m
b) cost to Fulham -7m
c) cost to Fulham +5m
d) cost to Fulham +1m
It's not that simple, if I understand FFP properly. Selling Seri for a big loss would be really bad. I assume the club wanted to loan him out to get some of his wages covered and he didn't want that, prefering just to enjoy London and collect a check. Which is his prerogative, if not exactly an inspiring response.
How much is Seri costing Fulham against FFP limits? We are paying him £3.4mn a year and on top of that, the transfer fee we paid is amortising over the 4 year life of his contract. The amount we paid for Seri s a matter of some debate, we seem to have paid between £25m and £30m for him and MLM, but have argued that most of it was paid for MLM (thus avoiding triggering various sell on clauses on Seri).
But I think from a pure accounting point of view, we paid £10m for Seri (and £15m for MLM) which means Seri's contract amortisation is £2.5m a year. Coupled with the £3.4m in wages we pay him, that makes for a charge to FFP of £5.9m a year on Seri.
The longer we keep him (particularly not playing) the older he gets, the less remains on his contract and his market value tends towards nil. I think the longer we keep him, the worse it is from an FFP perspetive I think:
To set that out, if we had sold him in the last transfer window (lets assume he would go on a free): The immediate FFP impact would be £-5mn, ie we would lose the carrying value left on his contract but we would stop paying his wages.
If, instead, we sell him next summer (also for nil), the immediate FFP impact is -£8.4m which breaks down as: -£2.5m further contract amortisation, -£2.5m carrying value, and -3.4m in wages, but the FFP charge is spread over 2 seasons of which £5.9m would be recognised in the 20/21 season and the last £2.5 in the 21/22 season.
If we wait one more year, he leaves as a free agent and the total FFP impact is £11.8m again spread over 2 seasons: -£5m in contract amortisation and -£6.8mn in wages, and that would be £5.9mn in the current season, and £5.9mn in the next.
So I think, all in all, it is better to release him on a free as soon as possible. The trouble is, we are paying him £65k a week and he is entitled to that money. No other club will pay him this, so he will not leave, he will stay and collect his £3.4m a year.
The plan for Fulham must be to let him rot in the u23s and thus threaten to destroy any market value he has beyond the end of his contract, then he might see it is better to leave now for a pay cut, but preserve his ability to command a decent wage into his mid-thirties. But I doubt that will work, he has his bird in the hand so why waste it....
Its a real shame anyway
Quote from: LittleErn on October 21, 2020, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: filham on October 20, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Looks a good squad but surely Seri should have been transfered during the window. What does he do now .
He sits in the warm and laughs all the way to the bank.
To be honest what else can he do? FFC gave him that contract, so he is entitled to his pay, if he is training and doing what he supposed to be doing and the management choose not to select him,
He is in limbo, personally I don't think he is that bad a player, it just hasn't worked for him here.
Quote from: alfie on October 21, 2020, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: LittleErn on October 21, 2020, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: filham on October 20, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Looks a good squad but surely Seri should have been transfered during the window. What does he do now .
He sits in the warm and laughs all the way to the bank.
To be honest what else can he do? FFC gave him that contract, so he is entitled to his pay, if he is training and doing what he supposed to be doing and the management choose not to select him,
He is in limbo, personally I don't think he is that bad a player, it just hasn't worked for him here.
I didn't say he was wrong to do it. I might do the same in his position. I agree that he has shown flashes of ability, but he is just not physical enough for the Prem. I am not convinced that he has shown the best attitude since he came back, which might be why he's not in the squad. I hope we can get a loan agreement that would suit him and us.
His situation has become a bit like Ozil at the Arse and all normal logic would say, he should take a pay cut and go enjoy his football somewhere he's wanted
Seri's career is slipping away while he picks up the big bucks but I think the moneys more important to him than playing.
The best result would be for him to find a club for January and leave now and train with his new team (like Hector did) while we pay him until January.
25 Squad players (*Home grown)
Adarabioyo, Abdul-Nasir Oluwatosin*
Aina, Temitayo Olufisayo Olaoluwa*
Andersen, Joachim Christian
Areola, Alphonse
Bryan, Joseph Edward*
Cairney, Thomas*
Hector, Michael Anthony James*
Kamara, Aboubakar
Kebano, Neeskens
Kongolo, Terence
Le Marchand, Maxime
Lemina, Mario Rene Junior
Loftus Cheek, Ruben*
Lookman, Ademola*
Mitrovic, Aleksandar
Neves Abreu Cavaleiro, Ivan Ricardo
Odoi, Denis Frimpong
Ramirez, Fabricio Agosto
Ream, Timothy Michael
Reed, Harrison James*
Reid, Bobby Armani*
Robinson, Antonee*
Rodak, Marek*
Tete, Kenny Joelle
Zambo Anguissa, Andre-Frank
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on October 21, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
His situation has become a bit like Ozil at the Arse and all normal logic would say, he should take a pay cut and go enjoy his football somewhere he's wanted
Seri's career is slipping away while he picks up the big bucks but I think the moneys more important to him than playing.
The best result would be for him to find a club for January and leave now and train with his new team (like Hector did) while we pay him until January.
Normal logic? It is it normal to take a pay cut when you don't have to?
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on October 22, 2020, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on October 21, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
His situation has become a bit like Ozil at the Arse and all normal logic would say, he should take a pay cut and go enjoy his football somewhere he's wanted
Seri's career is slipping away while he picks up the big bucks but I think the moneys more important to him than playing.
The best result would be for him to find a club for January and leave now and train with his new team (like Hector did) while we pay him until January.
Normal logic? It is it normal to take a pay cut when you don't have to?
I would say yes, for someone who's already a multi-millionaire, given the choice between (a) earning £3m per year for another couple of years with Fulham but watching your talent, popularity and future earning potential slip away, and (b) dropping down to £2m per year for a couple of years with another club but increasing your earning potential thereafter (both as a player, and in the longer-term) and getting the chance get some trophies and memories, I'd expect them to choose (b).
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on October 21, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
His situation has become a bit like Ozil at the Arse and all normal logic would say, he should take a pay cut and go enjoy his football somewhere he's wanted
Seri's career is slipping away while he picks up the big bucks but I think the moneys more important to him than playing.
The best result would be for him to find a club for January and leave now and train with his new team (like Hector did) while we pay him until January.
Yes BT that would crtainly be the best option.
Quote from: Statto on October 21, 2020, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on October 20, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
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Brilliant
In all seriousness that sort of gamesmanship and mettle was as important in our first promotion season as the slick passing etc
Spot on. It's clear Steffjo isn't Scott Parker's kind of midfielder. That's OK. Scott Parker wasn't my kind of midfielder wheras Steffjo was and is. Never once saw him do a crop circling manoeuvre to slow play down in a faux display of midfield "mastery". My favourite player in our promotion season under Slava. By a mile. Thanks Stefan.
Quote from: LittleErn on October 21, 2020, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: filham on October 20, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Looks a good squad but surely Seri should have been transfered during the window. What does he do now .
He sits in the warm and laughs all the way to the bank.
Ah yes the chilblains! I'd forgotten about them. Best TK adds them his buyer beware list along with dodgy knees.
I am unclear on the rules for the 25 man squad. Can only those in the 25 man squad play this season? Can players be dropped from the 25 and other players added during the season? Can we play someone from the U-23s who is not on the 25 man squad if someone who is in the 25 is injured or suspended?
