Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Tosin and Anderson. Thought both deserved a clean sheet tonight.
Agreed
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on November 30, 2020, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
:plus one:
What a contrast to the LCFC CBs who were both poor IMO.
He was my motm tonight. Didn't put one foot wrong, not one. Same could be said of Anderson too but he didn't seem to be cutting out as much as young tosin. Was also good to see him put his foot through the ball when Leicester went for the press rather than mess about at the back. Shame they scored, maybe lemina should have got closer to him, but as about as solid a defensive performance as you could have wished for.
He has been an excellent purchase, well done Tony Khan and everyone involved in that transfer.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on November 30, 2020, 08:20:41 PM
He has been an excellent purchase, well done Tony Khan and everyone involved in that transfer.
Agree, thus far he looks to be one of TK's better decisions.
Quote from: fulhamben on November 30, 2020, 08:16:35 PM
He was my motm tonight. Didn't put one foot wrong, not one. Same could be said of Anderson too but he didn't seem to be cutting out as much as young tosin. Was also good to see him put his foot through the ball when Leicester went for the press rather than mess about at the back. Shame they scored, maybe lemina should have got closer to him, but as about as solid a defensive performance as you could have wished for.
Same here.
Thought Tosin was absolutely immense. He was in the right spot at the right time more times than I could count, particularly in the second half.
He read the play brilliantly, and along with his mate Andersen, was instrumental in getting us the 3 points
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
Tosin earns the same wages as Seri and double what Mawson earns, so he is not that cheap, but is a great pickup for the price.
Never thought it would happen but we were secure at the back tosun was immense backed up by Anderson the new hangaland and Hughes.
As Ben says above, it was nice to see us learn from our errors. Two minutes in, he had the ball on the edge of his area, about to get pressed and instead of trying a cross field ball, he just launched it down the line. Thought the back 4 were excellent last night, and Aina had his best game defensively for us playing almost as a third centre back when out of possession.
Andersen reminds me a lot of Hughes, nothing fancy, nothing exceptional, just steady, dependable.
Well done back 4 (including the two sitting MFs) as we restricted a very dangerous Leicester team to pot shots in the main part.
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
Tosin earns the same wages as Seri and double what Mawson earns, so he is not that cheap, but is a great pickup for the price.
If you're going by those figures that were published recently, I wouldn't. Some of those are way out & I know that for a fact
If Tosin , coming to us as a Man City fringe player, is on twice what Mawson earns, I'll be absolutely flabbergasted
Successful Centre backs generally come in pairs, and it appears that we have the makings of another good pairing. You can see it in their faces and body language that they are both Warriors.
Kudos to all of the back 4, solid game defensively. Most games when the opposition has a corner, I just cringe. But it seemed for the most part FFC had corners under control. Loved how the game started even before we scored. Cap tip to SP for his defensive strategy. And BDR for his contribution in that strategy. I think this sort of defense should be used going forward, especially against some of the obvious top teams with potent offenses.
Unchanged back four for a while now, not sure what happens when Tete and Kongola become available. I imagine they become fixtures on the bench.
Defensively we are in a lot better shape now and as Filham says we have plenty in reserve to choose from soon.
Based on comments made in the transfer window, it looks like Tosin was our 4th choice target, i wonder how the other targets would have done if we got them.. my guess is not as good as Tosin.
Anyway good signing and good work from the board- young guy and can improve a lot from here as well.
Quote from: filham on December 01, 2020, 05:46:28 PM
Unchanged back four for a while now, not sure what happens when Tete and Kongola become available. I imagine they become fixtures on the bench.
Harsh on Tete to lose his place after starting so well, Aina has been the weaker member generally in the back 4 for me, but, hes also had some really good games so should probably hold down his place until such a time as he hits a poor run of form.
Presume they'll both start in the cup and have a chance to state their claims. Wouldn't want to upset this back 4 unnecessarily at this point.
Might be wrong but dont think we have an option on Joachim so if he goes back next year that might be Kongolos time to shine so hell need to stay sharp before then if long term its him and Tosin at the back.
A nice problem to have!
Out back 4 also seems amazing if you think how much money we spend on them!! (Isn't it about £5.5M)
Villa paid more than double for just Matt Cash :-)
(Ok Anderson is loan without option to buy, but if we stay up no doubt we can make this happen, also we have in Kongolo a cheap back up)
Quote from: Jeroen on December 01, 2020, 08:45:33 PM
Out back 4 also seems amazing if you think how much money we spend on them!! (Isn't it about £5.5M)
Villa paid more than double for just Matt Cash :-)
(Ok Anderson is loan without option to buy, but if we stay up no doubt we can make this happen, also we have in Kongolo a cheap back up)
The recruitment may not have been done particularly early etc...but no denying to a man they have all massively improved us and our fate is very much in our hands at this point. As you say, great signings at a snip of what they will be worth if they continue to play this way all season. . And in Kongolo we now have a bench CB who I'm not terrified to bring in if needs be....of course that could yet turn out to be misplaced as he's not played in a while, but can't be much worse than Ream and Hector were doing.
Really hope we do stay up and we're able to make at least Joachim and Areola permanent moves. Further forward would be dream land to re-sign lookman.
If this team continues to gel and we can make a key number of these loans permanent we'll have a very exciting base to push on from. Think if we can get through the next 2 without embarrassing ourselves too much and having our egos deflated too much, we're really going to continue to suprise some teams higher up than us. Wouldnt that be nice to stick it to the bookies who paid out on relegation!
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
Tosin earns the same wages as Seri and double what Mawson earns, so he is not that cheap, but is a great pickup for the price.
If you're going by those figures that were published recently, I wouldn't. Some of those are way out & I know that for a fact
If Tosin , coming to us as a Man City fringe player, is on twice what Mawson earns, I'll be absolutely flabbergasted
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Back four has improved and changed our fortunes.
Andersen, Adarabioyo, Robinson, Areola are not coming out of that team all season.
Ridiculously good players - Tosin has all the attributes to be a leader, and working with Andersen and Areola is ideal for him.
Robinson is so dedicated to his role and fears no one, ridiculously consistent and makes things happen. Engine on him too.
Aina is getting better and he's improving - Tete coming back to fitness will be a bonus too only spot up for grabs IMHO.
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Quote from: HillingdonFFC on December 01, 2020, 10:07:54 AM
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
Tosin earns the same wages as Seri and double what Mawson earns, so he is not that cheap, but is a great pickup for the price.
If you're going by those figures that were published recently, I wouldn't. Some of those are way out & I know that for a fact
If Tosin , coming to us as a Man City fringe player, is on twice what Mawson earns, I'll be absolutely flabbergasted
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Even if he's on £60k and I'm sceptical about that, it's still a good financial package factoring in signing on fee and wage for a young player good enough to start. He can only improve. Same with Robinson.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 01, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Seriously, no one really believes that he earns that sort of money do they?
I also read something on the internet that the US election was rigged, but I don't have to believe all that I read do I?
Quote from: Jim© on December 02, 2020, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 01, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Seriously, no one really believes that he earns that sort of money do they?
I also read something on the internet that the US election was rigged, but I don't have to believe all that I read do I?
Nope, but you should be open to reading all the evidence currently being presented- if and as it is materializing, which it is, though rather worryingly- isn't really being reported anywhere mainstream that I've seen. If it turns out to be bull then it's as you were and the right outcome should be absolutely respected.
As for what Tosin earns, I wouldn't know how these websites ascertain that sort of inside info... Is it made public anywhere? How do they find that out? No idea how regularly these websites are accurate on this. I personally find it hard to believe he'd be on this sort of money at this stage in his career. Do Man City youngsters really get paid that sort of dosh even if they have never broken into the first team? Seems unlikely but with the money being thrown about these days, who knows!
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Only articles I can find on his wages allude to him being on 20k per week when he was at Man City, but not from any particularly official looking sources
Quote from: jayffc on December 02, 2020, 10:00:35 PM
Nope, but you should be open to reading all the evidence currently being presented- if and as it is materializing, which it is, though rather worryingly- isn't really being reported anywhere mainstream that I've seen. If it turns out to be bull then it's as you were and the right outcome should be absolutely respected.
As for what Tosin earns, I wouldn't know how these websites ascertain that sort of inside info... Is it made public anywhere? How do they find that out? No idea how regularly these websites are accurate on this. I personally find it hard to believe he'd be on this sort of money at this stage in his career. Do Man City youngsters really get paid that sort of dosh even if they have never broken into the first team? Seems unlikely but with the money being thrown about these days, who knows!
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Only articles I can find on his wages allude to him being on 20k per week when he was at Man City, but not from any particularly official looking sources
Believe me, I've read a lot of it and there's good reason why almost all of it has been thrown out of court in the US. There is no evidence anywhere and my god there's millions of Trump supporters looking for it isn't there? Made up stuff on the internet with no base in fact. Much like these reputed wages that players earn. I could post all over the internet and send a few articles in to football sites, what Tosin supposedly earns (let's say £68,000 a week, entirely made up), it would then become "fact" in some peoples' eyes as it was on the internet in a news type fashion.
Yep, nice seeing a settled back 4.
On which note, anyone know when we can expect Tete and Kongolo to return? I wouldn't be looking to put them straight in, but would be useful to know.
Quote from: Jeroen on December 01, 2020, 08:45:33 PM
Out back 4 also seems amazing if you think how much money we spend on them!! (Isn't it about £5.5M)
Villa paid more than double for just Matt Cash :-)
(Ok Anderson is loan without option to buy, but if we stay up no doubt we can make this happen, also we have in Kongolo a cheap back up)
Sadly I think there's every doubt we could sign Anderson. His home club made it pretty clear he will not be available.
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Quote from: Jim© on December 02, 2020, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 01, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Seriously, no one really believes that he earns that sort of money do they?
I also read something on the internet that the US election was rigged, but I don't have to believe all that I read do I?
Nope, but you should be open to reading all the evidence currently being presented- if and as it is materializing, which it is, though rather worryingly- isn't really being reported anywhere mainstream that I've seen. If it turns out to be bull then it's as you were and the right outcome should be absolutely respected.
As for what Tosin earns, I wouldn't know how these websites ascertain that sort of inside info... Is it made public anywhere? How do they find that out? No idea how regularly these websites are accurate on this. I personally find it hard to believe he'd be on this sort of money at this stage in his career. Do Man City youngsters really get paid that sort of dosh even if they have never broken into the first team? Seems unlikely but with the money being thrown about these days, who knows!
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Only articles I can find on his wages allude to him being on 20k per week when he was at Man City, but not from any particularly official looking sources
I'm open to reading every scrap of proper factual evidence of electoral fraud. Thus far I haven't seen anything whatsoever (except completely unsubstantiated claims). Care to share anything you have?
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 01, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Seriously, no one really believes that he earns that sort of money do they?
If you don't believe what the media tells you the truth about Tosin wages, then be consistent and don't believe anything on Seri's or Mito's wages.
If people think we don't know Tosin wages, then we cannot know that his wages present a good value.
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
Tosin earns the same wages as Seri and double what Mawson earns, so he is not that cheap, but is a great pickup for the price.
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on November 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Lots of plaudits righly going the way of Reed, Zambo and BDR for the defending, but Tosin was immense. Lots of interceptions and clearances plus great positioning. Nothing got past him tonight.
Yes Tosin good. Andersen excellent as well. Good CB partnership at last.
Agree. Both big improvements on what we had. Tosin is a great pickup for the price.
Tosin earns the same wages as Seri and double what Mawson earns, so he is not that cheap, but is a great pickup for the price.
How do you know how much Tosin earns, genuinely interested in how you got that information ?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 04, 2020, 03:33:27 AM
If you don't believe what the media tells you the truth about Tosin wages, then be consistent and don't believe anything on Seri's or Mito's wages.
If people think we don't know Tosin wages, then we cannot know that his wages present a good value.
I don't believe anything I'll read on a player's wages. I'll always put 'supposedly' or 'apparently' as they're hugely inflated compared to what they do earn.
But if you genuinely think Tosin earns what Mitro does and that this is out in the public domain, I'd imagine there'd be issues within the squad and players like Harrison Reed, Rodak, Bryan et al knocking on the DOF door demanding a substantial payrise.
I'm not claiming I know what these specific players earn, but using common sense and knowledge of some players I do know their earnings, would lead me to think that you're way way out.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 04, 2020, 03:33:27 AM
If you don't believe what the media tells you the truth about Tosin wages, then be consistent and don't believe anything on Seri's or Mito's wages.
If people think we don't know Tosin wages, then we cannot know that his wages present a good value.
I don't believe anything I'll read on a player's wages. I'll always put 'supposedly' or 'apparently' as they're hugely inflated compared to what they do earn.
But if you genuinely think Tosin earns what Mitro does and that this is out in the public domain, I'd imagine there'd be issues within the squad and players like Harrison Reed, Rodak, Bryan et al knocking on the DOF door demanding a substantial payrise.
I'm not claiming I know what these specific players earn, but using common sense and knowledge of some players I do know their earnings, would lead me to think that you're way way out.
If you're disputing the general idea that most of our players are earning somewhere between £30k and £60k (with a few on even more) then, to use your analogy from up the thread, that's like thinking the US election was rigged, because you'd have to ignore an overwhelming body of consistent evidence from various sources, and publicly-available indicators such as the total wage bill disclosed in our accounts.
But if you're just disputing the fact that Tosin earns twice what Mawson earns I can entirely see where you're coming from. Perhaps Tosin is on a bit more given the low fee and two years' inflation since we signed Mawson but I can't see it being double. Like you I treat these reported figures as having a wide margin of error (albeit i reckon overall, they're generally in the right ballpark).
Quote from: Statto on December 04, 2020, 09:58:44 AM
But if you're just disputing the fact that Tosin earns twice what Mawson earns I can entirely see where you're coming from. Perhaps Tosin is on a bit more given the low fee and two years' inflation since we signed Mawson but I can't see it being double. Like you I treat these reported figures as having a wide margin of error (albeit i reckon overall, they're generally in the right ballpark).
Yep, it's definitely just the second bit- what Tosin earns.
I'd love somehow for a club to publish what players earnt a week as some would be surprised that it wasn't the £100k that many believe (not talking FFC here!). Saying that, it's still sickening what some earn for never even playing a game.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 01, 2020, 10:55:04 PM
Everywhere the wages of players are published they place Tosin's wages as double Mawson and equally to Seri. If we are going to comment that Tosin is good value, then surely these are the figures we must use.
Tosin was good value for his wages (a young centre back on high wages is money better spent than other positions), but at a similar wages to Mitrovic, Tosin isn't that cheap and needs to put in years of good service to justify his cost to us.
Tosin isn't a uncover star, but a player that has been identified as class from his mid-teens that has played well, but not had a true breakout season that would get him recalled to ManCity.
Man City knew he would never play for them and wanted his wages off the book, while he wanted to join a premier league team that he knew he would start and that was good enough that if he kept clean sheets would stay up, so joined Fulham.
Seriously, no one really believes that he earns that sort of money do they?
I also read something on the internet that the US election was rigged, but I don't have to believe all that I read do I?
Nope, but you should be open to reading all the evidence currently being presented- if and as it is materializing, which it is, though rather worryingly- isn't really being reported anywhere mainstream that I've seen. If it turns out to be bull then it's as you were and the right outcome should be absolutely respected.
As for what Tosin earns, I wouldn't know how these websites ascertain that sort of inside info... Is it made public anywhere? How do they find that out? No idea how regularly these websites are accurate on this. I personally find it hard to believe he'd be on this sort of money at this stage in his career. Do Man City youngsters really get paid that sort of dosh even if they have never broken into the first team? Seems unlikely but with the money being thrown about these days, who knows!
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Only articles I can find on his wages allude to him being on 20k per week when he was at Man City, but not from any particularly official looking sources
I'm open to reading every scrap of proper factual evidence of electoral fraud. Thus far I haven't seen anything whatsoever (except completely unsubstantiated claims). Care to share anything you have?
Havent got a moment today to link to each individual source but they're usually linked in the bio section of the video I'll post below,. I was saying much the same regarding the election but have been trying to break my algorithms a bit of late and do try to read everything from huffpost to Breitbart (both too extreme for me!) And in between, to see how the same story is reported and make some sort of objective opinion.
A friend sent me over some of the coverage on it all from this channel...theres tons of there following the trials https://youtu.be/20fUZBfK6-o
whilst his style isnt really for me, a bit bullish and showmanesque (hes a conservative comedian) I've found some of the coverage is of things I'm not really seeing reported much anywhere else. At very least there is a swathe of signed testimony (lying under oath is a serious crime so that's alot of people putting their necks on the line if proven to be all b s-, some questionable video evidence backing up claims and a series of worrying issues and statistical anomalies with the computerised voting system used in a number if states, enough accumatively to be fully considered genuine evidence of some pretty wildly abnormal voting patterns and irregularities that have got me to the point of...fair play, its worth investigating. It's a hard thing to prove definitively of course, but I'm no longer convinced theres zero evidence.. whether it's enough to swing an election is a whole other thing.
I take crowders takes on things with a large pinch of cynicism as he is openly and unashamedly biased in his desired outcome... but he is linking to genuine sources so rather than run around gathering each one for this post I've just popped 1 of his vids above but theres alot of coverage on there. I gather hes getting higher viewing figures than CNN on some of this stuff now which says alot about peoples mistrust of MSM now. Anyway , not here to say its definitive one way or the other ...just that there are questions around a number of events that night that should be thoroughly investigated.
As long as the player is capable of keeping the ball away from goal. But if it went the opposite way probably my thoughts would change on that. The next few fixtures are really tough games, but if he does manage to put in a good performance at both would be a huge achievement for him and also Andersen.
I noticed one of the MCFC forum posters said he'd be interested to see how Tosin was playing. Well if he performs in the same way as last Monday he'll find out we got a massive bargain. I don't care what he's paid as long as earns it which he has done so far
Quote from: jayffc on December 04, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Havent got a moment today to link to each individual source but they're usually linked in the bio section of the video I'll post below,. I was saying much the same regarding the election but have been trying to break my algorithms a bit of late and do try to read everything from huffpost to Breitbart (both too extreme for me!) And in between, to see how the same story is reported and make some sort of objective opinion.
A friend sent me over some of the coverage on it all from this channel...theres tons of there following the trials https://youtu.be/20fUZBfK6-o
whilst his style isnt really for me, a bit bullish and showmanesque (hes a conservative comedian) I've found some of the coverage is of things I'm not really seeing reported much anywhere else. At very least there is a swathe of signed testimony (lying under oath is a serious crime so that's alot of people putting their necks on the line if proven to be all b s-, some questionable video evidence backing up claims and a series of worrying issues and statistical anomalies with the computerised voting system used in a number if states, enough accumatively to be fully considered genuine evidence of some pretty wildly abnormal voting patterns and irregularities that have got me to the point of...fair play, its worth investigating. It's a hard thing to prove definitively of course, but I'm no longer convinced theres zero evidence.. whether it's enough to swing an election is a whole other thing.
I take crowders takes on things with a large pinch of cynicism as he is openly and unashamedly biased in his desired outcome... but he is linking to genuine sources so rather than run around gathering each one for this post I've just popped 1 of his vids above but theres alot of coverage on there. I gather hes getting higher viewing figures than CNN on some of this stuff now which says alot about peoples mistrust of MSM now. Anyway , not here to say its definitive one way or the other ...just that there are questions around a number of events that night that should be thoroughly investigated.
I'm sorry, but I stopped watching when they started claiming that "vote dumps" were some sort of proof of wrongdoing.
It's been proved, in front of Republican observers that of course vote dumps happened due to the nature of voting this election, with vast swathes of Democrats doing as they were asked and not attending in person.
I'm sure that the US election wasn't 100% accurate, but there is so much security in place around it, that it's pretty inconceivable to think that 1) things went as wrong as Trump is claiming (as proved by various recounts) and 2) The errors ONLY occurred in states that Trump lost. The absentee ballots were "dumped" into result numbers across the US.
Quote from: Jim© on December 04, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: jayffc on December 04, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Havent got a moment today to link to each individual source but they're usually linked in the bio section of the video I'll post below,. I was saying much the same regarding the election but have been trying to break my algorithms a bit of late and do try to read everything from huffpost to Breitbart (both too extreme for me!) And in between, to see how the same story is reported and make some sort of objective opinion.
A friend sent me over some of the coverage on it all from this channel...theres tons of there following the trials https://youtu.be/20fUZBfK6-o
whilst his style isnt really for me, a bit bullish and showmanesque (hes a conservative comedian) I've found some of the coverage is of things I'm not really seeing reported much anywhere else. At very least there is a swathe of signed testimony (lying under oath is a serious crime so that's alot of people putting their necks on the line if proven to be all b s-, some questionable video evidence backing up claims and a series of worrying issues and statistical anomalies with the computerised voting system used in a number if states, enough accumatively to be fully considered genuine evidence of some pretty wildly abnormal voting patterns and irregularities that have got me to the point of...fair play, its worth investigating. It's a hard thing to prove definitively of course, but I'm no longer convinced theres zero evidence.. whether it's enough to swing an election is a whole other thing.
I take crowders takes on things with a large pinch of cynicism as he is openly and unashamedly biased in his desired outcome... but he is linking to genuine sources so rather than run around gathering each one for this post I've just popped 1 of his vids above but theres alot of coverage on there. I gather hes getting higher viewing figures than CNN on some of this stuff now which says alot about peoples mistrust of MSM now. Anyway , not here to say its definitive one way or the other ...just that there are questions around a number of events that night that should be thoroughly investigated.
I'm sorry, but I stopped watching when they started claiming that "vote dumps" were some sort of proof of wrongdoing.
It's been proved, in front of Republican observers that of course vote dumps happened due to the nature of voting this election, with vast swathes of Democrats doing as they were asked and not attending in person.
I'm sure that the US election wasn't 100% accurate, but there is so much security in place around it, that it's pretty inconceivable to think that 1) things went as wrong as Trump is claiming (as proved by various recounts) and 2) The errors ONLY occurred in states that Trump lost. The absentee ballots were "dumped" into result numbers across the US.
Id advise not stopping at one piece of evidence you feel you have an answer for but each to their own. The problem as they discuss in various other videos regarding the dumps ,as is being brought up in court,is the timing of these dumps consistsntly being fairly suspect. (Times when people have been sent home from counting, of which there is some questionable video evidence, blocking card put into windows just before it happened in another case. If theres no issue then there shouldn't be any problem investigating it...they talk at length about the point you make on other videos...as I say...I'm not sold either way but there are alot of questionable events taking place in tandem that should be looked into, it's not one point it's the accumulation of a lot of smoke... the biggest question mark's for me are often around the machine voting software use...(the same system which he Democrats were frequently saying was open to manipulation from foreign enterties and open to corruption prior to the last election)...the issues there are also that odds are youd expect if it was just simple faults the problems would be split at least somewhere close to evenly with votes flipping one way or another ..but anywhere there has been questionable dumps or flips of votes in states using that software it has almost 99% of the time flipped to Biden....that should raise suspicion if, as suggested - that sort of thing has nevehappened before...
All I care about personally is that we have trustworthy and fair elections...if theres nothing to be seen there and that stands up under independent scrutiny then great....for me the adversity to looking into any of it with the openness that there could be some truth suggests people only care if it's the outcome they want.
I'm a centrist personally, certainly no fan of Trump as a man, but I do believe in the right to a fair trial and I do believe there is an accumulation of evidence that rightfully should go to the courts. That's all
P.s this could be absolute b.s
https://youtu.be/oQ9YGSMY2xg
But if there has been a mixture of video evidence and testimony from apparent whistleblowers (which there appears to be) I'd want that investigated regardless of which way I voted as presented this way it certainly seems very suspect..... it could be nothing of course...but it should be proved that's the case and someone should have a plausible defence.
Anyway...enough on politics I appreciate this is a fulham board and not everyone interested!
