He looked like his old self tonight. COYW
The next game is against Burnley for the FA Cup, so we will start Mitrovic as we are going to give some time to the reserves. It will be interesting to see if he starts next week against Brighton - somehow I doubt it.
I think it's down to Parker to integrate Mitrovic. If not, we will go down. We will go down fighting yes.. but we just aren't a threat in front of goal. We need a striker. If we aren't buying one.. then it's down to Parker to pull one more rabbit out the hat. Integrate Mitro.
Why....didn't look any different to me.
His whole body language was different when he came on. He really wanted it, calling for the ball and unlucky not to score
Think he needs an hour and regarding of the score take him off
Yep or kamara. I just want a striker to start games. Any striker. Even call up tiehi
Yes I agree it's a no brainer that Mitro should start v Burnley, he looked more confident and interested tonight but did not get long enough to make an impact.
It's a no brainer. Mitro has to play
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season and buying players rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
It is not Parker's fault if the club does not purchase a decent striker, that is the same reason why Slavisa got fed up with the lack of support and too much interference from the owners son. Parker seems to have better relationship with the owners son, but that is because Parker tolerates him, whereas clearly Slavisa was far from happy with the owners son.
If we don't get the striker we need and we fail to stay up, that is the fault once again of the owners son.
If you cast your mind back to the last season we were relegated, we had three managers, and none of them could save Fulham, you cannot tell me they were all wrong.
I am not sure if the Chairman really understands the gravity of the situation as he seems to rely heavily on his son who will as usual scapegoat the manager as he has always done, when in actual fact he is the weakest link.
Having said that he can redeem himself by bringing in the striker we need, but I have no confidence in his ability to do that, but there is still time to prove me wrong.
I'd start him in the cup and see how he goes, with a view to building up some sharpness before the big one on Wednesday.
Hopefully we get a couple of goals up early on, and take him off on 45/60 mins.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2021, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
It is not Parker's fault if the club does not purchase a decent striker, that is the same reason why Slavisa got fed up with the lack of support and too much interference from the owners son. Parker seems to have better relationship with the owners son, but that is because Parker tolerates him, whereas clearly Slavisa was far from happy with the owners son.
If we don't get the striker we need and we fail to stay up, that is the fault once again of the owners son.
If you cast your mind back to the last season we were relegated, we had three managers, and none of them could save Fulham, you cannot tell me they were all wrong.
I am not sure if the Chairman really understands the gravity of the situation as he seems to rely heavily on his son who will as usual scapegoat the manager as he has always done, when in actual fact he is the weakest link.
Having said that he can redeem himself by bringing in the striker we need, but I have no confidence in his ability to do that, but there is still time to prove me wrong.
If we are prepared to ruin next season's budget, we can use next season's wage to bring in Josh King, but will Josh King keep us up or just mean that next season we cannot afford to keep Tete/Tosin/Robinson/Reed (ie. our future).
its not just about having a striker. We need someone to scor the goals but equally importantly they have to be part of our shape out of possession .Cavaleiro hasnt been great in front of goal,and had one of his poorer games yesterday but has been getting aplace for his tireless running na dmobility which has been avital part of how we have played. Kamara doesnt seem to get it and Mitro is too slow.
Its not about changing one position and all will be fine ,because if we play Mitro we are one man down defensively. Could see BDR playing in cavs spot against Brighton. We missed his energy yesterday. Whilst Im at it Bryan did well but we missed robinsons energy and mobility pushing the opposition deep down that left hand side.
Quote from: blingo on January 20, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
He looked like his old self tonight. COYW
I must have been watching a different game.
Parker should begiven some game time against Burnley in the cup, just sufficient to ensure that he is match fit for the Brighton match next Wednesday.
Against Brighton Mitro must start, there really is no option, surely we can all see that including Parker.
Body language wise he looked better no doubt about that. Think he will start v Burnley but to get into Brighton team he will need to show the Mitro of last season.
Quote from: filham on January 21, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
Parker should begiven some game time against Burnley in the cup, just sufficient to ensure that he is match fit for the Brighton match next Wednesday.
Against Brighton Mitro must start, there really is no option, surely we can all see that including Parker.
You want Parker to play? I doubt he's match fit lol.
Mitro is not the answer - but try him in the cup game and lets see...
The answer is a new striker
Watch this space 10 days to go :023:
Quote from: colinwhite on January 21, 2021, 06:04:59 AM
its not just about having a striker. We need someone to scor the goals but equally importantly they have to be part of our shape out of possession .Cavaleiro hasnt been great in front of goal,and had one of his poorer games yesterday but has been getting aplace for his tireless running na dmobility which has been avital part of how we have played. Kamara doesnt seem to get it and Mitro is too slow.
Its not about changing one position and all will be fine ,because if we play Mitro we are one man down defensively. Could see BDR playing in cavs spot against Brighton. We missed his energy yesterday. Whilst Im at it Bryan did well but we missed robinsons energy and mobility pushing the opposition deep down that left hand side.
I don't agree that with Mitro we necessarily lose out defensively. He always comes back to defend set pieces such as corners and is danced good at it. Also, his hold up play takes pressure off our defence and gives them time to get back into shape. Because Cav often fails to hold balls that are pinged up to him the ball often comes back immediately. That said, I am also aware of Cav's contributions to help out our defence. So I think they both contribute, just in different ways.
Quote from: St Eve on January 20, 2021, 10:52:10 PM
It's a no brainer. Mitro has to play
Agree 100% - he has to be our starting striker instead of cavaleiro. What he doesn't have in pace he makes up for with strength, playing off the shoulders of defenders and genuine threat when in the box.. something you simply can't guarantee with cavaleiro and its starting to hurt us.
There must be an argument in the clubs hierarchy about signing a new striker when we've got a proven one Parker refuses to give proper game time to.
Mitro has to and should be playing. Parkers stubbornness with this is detrimental to how we play and where we are in the league. We've got a good enough team now in midfield and defence and they will create the opportunities for metro if he's playing to tap in.
Bordering on criminal that we're not using him, especially given the fact we've been struggling for goals.
When RLC was clean through and shot at de gea in the highlights you could see the space mitro would have occupied and gobbled up if rlc had been able to square it for a tap in.
Mitro is a clinical striker and needs to be used. He's a nuisance to defend against and should be one of the guaranteed starters.
Says so much that when cavaleiro scored with a leaping header against spurs that no one had expected it and became wide eyed in amazement.. mitro would've been expected to do something with it.
See the effort he had which bounced off bailly and nearly went in.
Give the guy a starting birth otherwise our managers stubbornness will see us go down as we're simply not winning enough games now.
Quote from: davew on January 21, 2021, 07:32:02 AM
Quote from: blingo on January 20, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
He looked like his old self tonight. COYW
I must have been watching a different game.
looks like you are the only one that didn't see it.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 20, 2021, 10:50:24 PM
Yep or kamara. I just want a striker to start games. Any striker. Even call up tiehi
I would like to see Tiehi given 30 minutes to see what he can do
How can people start running down Mitro on the evidence of 10 minutes on the pitch, from the highlights he had a couple of good touches and he won a couple of aerial battles in the box which we never do without him. Lets see him play for the full 90 and see how he gets on. Remember he played the full 120 against QPR and if memory serves me well he laid on the assist for one of our goals.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 21, 2021, 12:59:57 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2021, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
It is not Parker's fault if the club does not purchase a decent striker, that is the same reason why Slavisa got fed up with the lack of support and too much interference from the owners son. Parker seems to have better relationship with the owners son, but that is because Parker tolerates him, whereas clearly Slavisa was far from happy with the owners son.
If we don't get the striker we need and we fail to stay up, that is the fault once again of the owners son.
If you cast your mind back to the last season we were relegated, we had three managers, and none of them could save Fulham, you cannot tell me they were all wrong.
I am not sure if the Chairman really understands the gravity of the situation as he seems to rely heavily on his son who will as usual scapegoat the manager as he has always done, when in actual fact he is the weakest link.
Having said that he can redeem himself by bringing in the striker we need, but I have no confidence in his ability to do that, but there is still time to prove me wrong.
If we are prepared to ruin next season's budget, we can use next season's wage to bring in Josh King, but will Josh King keep us up or just mean that next season we cannot afford to keep Tete/Tosin/Robinson/Reed (ie. our future).
and your point is ?
Because my point is, and look upon it as snakes and ladders. It is better to go up the ladder and stay in the Premier League reaping all the financial benefits and attracting quality players, and building on the the team we have, rather than go down the snake and be relegated back to square one with all the trauma of changing personnel on and off the pitch and feeding on scraps again, with the owners son blaming everyone else instead of himself.
It's like chalk and cheese. We need a striker now, at once, with immediate effect, pronto.
I think that Mitro can fit in to our new formation & style.
He probably has to play a bit deeper, almost like a Firmino-type role, and have the likes of Lookman & RLC running hard to play off him.
Quote from: General on January 21, 2021, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: St Eve on January 20, 2021, 10:52:10 PM
It's a no brainer. Mitro has to play
Agree 100% - he has to be our starting striker instead of cavaleiro. What he doesn't have in pace he makes up for with strength, playing off the shoulders of defenders and genuine threat when in the box.. something you simply can't guarantee with cavaleiro and its starting to hurt us.
There must be an argument in the clubs hierarchy about signing a new striker when we've got a proven one Parker refuses to give proper game time to.
Mitro has to and should be playing. Parkers stubbornness with this is detrimental to how we play and where we are in the league. We've got a good enough team now in midfield and defence and they will create the opportunities for metro if he's playing to tap in.
Bordering on criminal that we're not using him, especially given the fact we've been struggling for goals.
When RLC was clean through and shot at de gea in the highlights you could see the space mitro would have occupied and gobbled up if rlc had been able to square it for a tap in.
Mitro is a clinical striker and needs to be used. He's a nuisance to defend against and should be one of the guaranteed starters.
Says so much that when cavaleiro scored with a leaping header against spurs that no one had expected it and became wide eyed in amazement.. mitro would've been expected to do something with it.
See the effort he had which bounced off bailly and nearly went in.
Give the guy a starting birth otherwise our managers stubbornness will see us go down as we're simply not winning enough games now.
Well put
Mitro is a natural striker and can get goals from nothing, he can hold up play and be part of flowing moves staying up other players. I wonder if Injury/Covid has had a part to play re playing time!
The problem with playing Mitro is that we'd have to change shape and it's not as simple as "drop Cav and start Mitro". Assuming we decide to use him, we can't really play 5-2-3 as we have done in recent weeks because the point of the front 3 is to press high so that the midfield two are able to sit a little deeper and mop up any loose balls. We then revert to 5-4-1 under a prolonged period of pressure, which usually has Cav or Lookman as the highest pressing player. Mitro doesn't have that in his locker because he's a target man.
The other option is to say lets tweak it to a 5-3-2, because we need to balance losing our pressing from the front by making us more solid in the middle and harder to play through, because teams will have more time to build up from the back with Mitro playing. If you do this then you've got to probably drop BDR (our actual top scorer and one of our best performers), because RLC will most likely be the most advanced of the midfield trio with Mitro and Lookman up front. So we make the change to accommodate him but it makes us narrower and we'll have to sit deeper by default and probably resort to going long because Lookman will be the only player trying to get in behind. Like it or not, Cav has been good at linking attack and defence, and Mitro doesn't have the mobility to do what he's been doing, even if he's got better finishing ability and better hold up play.
Quote from: Twig on January 21, 2021, 11:47:40 AM
Quote from: colinwhite on January 21, 2021, 06:04:59 AM
its not just about having a striker. We need someone to scor the goals but equally importantly they have to be part of our shape out of possession .Cavaleiro hasnt been great in front of goal,and had one of his poorer games yesterday but has been getting aplace for his tireless running na dmobility which has been avital part of how we have played. Kamara doesnt seem to get it and Mitro is too slow.
Its not about changing one position and all will be fine ,because if we play Mitro we are one man down defensively. Could see BDR playing in cavs spot against Brighton. We missed his energy yesterday. Whilst Im at it Bryan did well but we missed robinsons energy and mobility pushing the opposition deep down that left hand side.
I don't agree that with Mitro we necessarily lose out defensively. He always comes back to defend set pieces such as corners and is danced good at it. Also, his hold up play takes pressure off our defence and gives them time to get back into shape. Because Cav often fails to hold balls that are pinged up to him the ball often comes back immediately. That said, I am also aware of Cav's contributions to help out our defence. So I think they both contribute, just in different ways.
Im talking about how we press,with speed and mobility. we also attack fluidly without Mitro. He plays down the middle and players cant intermix in quite the same way. Im not talking about duel play, but defensive shape.
I thought he looked sharper in the 10 mins or so than we've seen for some time.
I'm still not sure he suits the system so Parker has two choices really:
1) Change the system to suit a proven goalscorer
2) Keep the system and look for the answer within. Lookman looked classy in the CF role, but needed the support of players around him more.
There's a 3) which is buy a striker to suit, but not sure that'll happen.
And 4 Jim, play like we played for thelast 10 minutes last night
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 21, 2021, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 21, 2021, 12:59:57 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2021, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
It is not Parker's fault if the club does not purchase a decent striker, that is the same reason why Slavisa got fed up with the lack of support and too much interference from the owners son. Parker seems to have better relationship with the owners son, but that is because Parker tolerates him, whereas clearly Slavisa was far from happy with the owners son.
If we don't get the striker we need and we fail to stay up, that is the fault once again of the owners son.
If you cast your mind back to the last season we were relegated, we had three managers, and none of them could save Fulham, you cannot tell me they were all wrong.
I am not sure if the Chairman really understands the gravity of the situation as he seems to rely heavily on his son who will as usual scapegoat the manager as he has always done, when in actual fact he is the weakest link.
Having said that he can redeem himself by bringing in the striker we need, but I have no confidence in his ability to do that, but there is still time to prove me wrong.
If we are prepared to ruin next season's budget, we can use next season's wage to bring in Josh King, but will Josh King keep us up or just mean that next season we cannot afford to keep Tete/Tosin/Robinson/Reed (ie. our future).
and your point is ?
Because my point is, and look upon it as snakes and ladders. It is better to go up the snake and stay in the Premier League reaping all the financial benefits and attracting quality players, and building on the the team we have, rather than go down the snake and be relegated back to square one with all the trauma of changing personnel on and off the pitch and feeding on scraps again, with the owners son blaming everyone else instead of himself.
It's like chalk and cheese. We need a striker now, at once, with immediate effect, pronto.
But I doubt if the very expensive Josh King is the answer. Bournemouth fans would love to be rid of him. Doesn't even look that good in the Championship.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2021, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
It is not Parker's fault if the club does not purchase a decent striker, that is the same reason why Slavisa got fed up with the lack of support and too much interference from the owners son. Parker seems to have better relationship with the owners son, but that is because Parker tolerates him, whereas clearly Slavisa was far from happy with the owners son.
If we don't get the striker we need and we fail to stay up, that is the fault once again of the owners son.
If you cast your mind back to the last season we were relegated, we had three managers, and none of them could save Fulham, you cannot tell me they were all wrong.
I am not sure if the Chairman really understands the gravity of the situation as he seems to rely heavily on his son who will as usual scapegoat the manager as he has always done, when in actual fact he is the weakest link.
Having said that he can redeem himself by bringing in the striker we need, but I have no confidence in his ability to do that, but there is still time to prove me wrong.
The chances of getting a decent striker in the January transfer window is slim probably around 5% . The chances of getting a decent striker that hits the ground running and immediately starts scoring goals is even slimmer, probably around 1 %. If we don't get one and totally blame TK without knowing what has gone on in the background is quite frankly ludicrous. It is up to Scott Parker to devise a system that integrates our existing striker who won the golden boot in the Championship last year. If Mitro was available at another club we would be screaming to buy him !
I have no problem with Parker operating on the principles of least resistance to necessity to change for change sake and I have explained this as best I can elsewhere including the obvious predicament that our current recruiters do not have an enviable record of meeting coaching needs when you look at the facts. One thing we do know is that Andersen is a class centre back and Adarabioyo (in particular) cannot but benefit from his time playing alongside him. That benefit spreads far and wide however, into the midfield, and also up top and the unity is apparent to all of us who watch this team regularly. It is a marker about how solutions can be found when you find good quality in the market as compared to risk taking because there is no other solution remaining available to meet a need.
Mitro has not let Fulham down in his time here. We do not know the extent to which his play has been hindered by physical and/or mental constraints. Players suffer from lapses in form more often than they are aided by better times but the results are always gauged against some kind of 'norm'. Mitro's norm is goal scoring or chance taking and the main difference which occurred sometime at the back end of last season was his failure to score in spite of having chances to do so. Parker successfully found a way around that bind, but, IMO, it will soon be time to look at this conundrum more honestly than just leaving things as they are and hoping that one from BDR, RLC, Lookman, Cavaleiro, or whoever else will fill the hole and become regular scorers against any opponent they face.
Either Mitro is of value to Fulham or not and it is time to answer this. I believe he must be played and Parker needs to solve the puzzle.
<<We have to start with Mitro next match>>
WHY???!!!????????
Quote from: blingo on January 21, 2021, 02:45:07 PM
And 4 Jim, play like we played for thelast 10 minutes last night
But blingo come on if we had tried to play that way for 90 minutes against united we would have shipped load of goals and got slaughtered!!
Quote from: Gezza on January 21, 2021, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2021, 11:42:13 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2021, 11:22:06 PM
No Manager gets a whole new team on promotion. Parker asked for upgrades in many positions, Parker got a new player in ten positions, so he has to deliver with what he has, rather than blame not getting XI new players.
Parker could have got a striker, if he was prepared to have less defenders and midfielders. FFP is designed to crucify teams like us that keep reinforcing every season rather than building talent.
Mitrovic is fantastic for Serbia and against Brighton 2019, if Parker cannot get him to perform then he isn't a great manager. Get a clean sheet and few chances to Mitro in the box, we should have a good chance to win.
It is not Parker's fault if the club does not purchase a decent striker, that is the same reason why Slavisa got fed up with the lack of support and too much interference from the owners son. Parker seems to have better relationship with the owners son, but that is because Parker tolerates him, whereas clearly Slavisa was far from happy with the owners son.
If we don't get the striker we need and we fail to stay up, that is the fault once again of the owners son.
If you cast your mind back to the last season we were relegated, we had three managers, and none of them could save Fulham, you cannot tell me they were all wrong.
I am not sure if the Chairman really understands the gravity of the situation as he seems to rely heavily on his son who will as usual scapegoat the manager as he has always done, when in actual fact he is the weakest link.
Having said that he can redeem himself by bringing in the striker we need, but I have no confidence in his ability to do that, but there is still time to prove me wrong.
The chances of getting a decent striker in the January transfer window is slim probably around 5% . The chances of getting a decent striker that hits the ground running and immediately starts scoring goals is even slimmer, probably around 1 %. If we don't get one and totally blame TK without knowing what has gone on in the background is quite frankly ludicrous. It is up to Scott Parker to devise a system that integrates our existing striker who won the golden boot in the Championship last year. If Mitro was available at another club we would be screaming to buy him !
A manager is only as good as the players he has under his belt, a player on the ball needs support from his team mates as does a manager needing support from his D of F. Unfortunately the only thing ludicrous is the fact that the position of D of F was given to the son of the owner, and I can confirm is that there is no such player let alone a forward called Frankie Ludicrous.
Quote from: WindyCity on January 21, 2021, 03:37:30 PM
<<We have to start with Mitro next match>>
WHY???!!!????????
because we need to win, and we know that playing a midfielder up top does not work
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 21, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
The problem with playing Mitro is that we'd have to change shape and it's not as simple as "drop Cav and start Mitro". Assuming we decide to use him, we can't really play 5-2-3 as we have done in recent weeks because the point of the front 3 is to press high so that the midfield two are able to sit a little deeper and mop up any loose balls. We then revert to 5-4-1 under a prolonged period of pressure, which usually has Cav or Lookman as the highest pressing player. Mitro doesn't have that in his locker because he's a target man.
The other option is to say lets tweak it to a 5-3-2, because we need to balance losing our pressing from the front by making us more solid in the middle and harder to play through, because teams will have more time to build up from the back with Mitro playing. If you do this then you've got to probably drop BDR (our actual top scorer and one of our best performers), because RLC will most likely be the most advanced of the midfield trio with Mitro and Lookman up front. So we make the change to accommodate him but it makes us narrower and we'll have to sit deeper by default and probably resort to going long because Lookman will be the only player trying to get in behind. Like it or not, Cav has been good at linking attack and defence, and Mitro doesn't have the mobility to do what he's been doing, even if he's got better finishing ability and better hold up play.
Sorry don't see that at all.
With bdr back and Robinson we can easily play the same formation with mitrl lookman and bdr our most potent attacking unit and rlc and mitro even dovetailing off one another. Mitro can also play and has shown a willingness to play for the team anywhere necessary.
What we're lacking is finishing ability.. he is better at finishing than cavaleiro. This season and the great foundations we've built will be for nothing if we don't play mitro front and centr.
Quote from: General on January 22, 2021, 01:22:54 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 21, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
The problem with playing Mitro is that we'd have to change shape and it's not as simple as "drop Cav and start Mitro". Assuming we decide to use him, we can't really play 5-2-3 as we have done in recent weeks because the point of the front 3 is to press high so that the midfield two are able to sit a little deeper and mop up any loose balls. We then revert to 5-4-1 under a prolonged period of pressure, which usually has Cav or Lookman as the highest pressing player. Mitro doesn't have that in his locker because he's a target man.
The other option is to say lets tweak it to a 5-3-2, because we need to balance losing our pressing from the front by making us more solid in the middle and harder to play through, because teams will have more time to build up from the back with Mitro playing. If you do this then you've got to probably drop BDR (our actual top scorer and one of our best performers), because RLC will most likely be the most advanced of the midfield trio with Mitro and Lookman up front. So we make the change to accommodate him but it makes us narrower and we'll have to sit deeper by default and probably resort to going long because Lookman will be the only player trying to get in behind. Like it or not, Cav has been good at linking attack and defence, and Mitro doesn't have the mobility to do what he's been doing, even if he's got better finishing ability and better hold up play.
Sorry don't see that at all.
With bdr back and Robinson we can easily play the same formation with mitrl lookman and bdr our most potent attacking unit and rlc and mitro even dovetailing off one another. Mitro can also play and has shown a willingness to play for the team anywhere necessary.
What we're lacking is finishing ability.. he is better at finishing than cavaleiro. This season and the great foundations we've built will be for nothing if we don't play mitro front and centr.
Well said.
Quote from: blingo on January 22, 2021, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: General on January 22, 2021, 01:22:54 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 21, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
The problem with playing Mitro is that we'd have to change shape and it's not as simple as "drop Cav and start Mitro". Assuming we decide to use him, we can't really play 5-2-3 as we have done in recent weeks because the point of the front 3 is to press high so that the midfield two are able to sit a little deeper and mop up any loose balls. We then revert to 5-4-1 under a prolonged period of pressure, which usually has Cav or Lookman as the highest pressing player. Mitro doesn't have that in his locker because he's a target man.
The other option is to say lets tweak it to a 5-3-2, because we need to balance losing our pressing from the front by making us more solid in the middle and harder to play through, because teams will have more time to build up from the back with Mitro playing. If you do this then you've got to probably drop BDR (our actual top scorer and one of our best performers), because RLC will most likely be the most advanced of the midfield trio with Mitro and Lookman up front. So we make the change to accommodate him but it makes us narrower and we'll have to sit deeper by default and probably resort to going long because Lookman will be the only player trying to get in behind. Like it or not, Cav has been good at linking attack and defence, and Mitro doesn't have the mobility to do what he's been doing, even if he's got better finishing ability and better hold up play.
Sorry don't see that at all.
With bdr back and Robinson we can easily play the same formation with mitrl lookman and bdr our most potent attacking unit and rlc and mitro even dovetailing off one another. Mitro can also play and has shown a willingness to play for the team anywhere necessary.
What we're lacking is finishing ability.. he is better at finishing than cavaleiro. This season and the great foundations we've built will be for nothing if we don't play mitro front and centr.
Well said.
Having grown up in the era when the FA Cup was the most important competition I have to say I'd use it to try out RLC and Mitro for a portion of the match. Jim earlier in this topic mentions Mitro looked like his old self and RLC had a very good second half. We can use Sunday's game to experiment whilst resting most of the team.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 21, 2021, 06:31:27 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on January 21, 2021, 03:37:30 PM
<<We have to start with Mitro next match>>
WHY???!!!????????
because we need to win, and we know that playing a midfielder up top does not work
With all due respect, I have seen nothing that indicates FFC "must" start Mitrovic in these upcoming game(s). He is way out of form, can't put anything on target, may or may not be carrying an injury, and the club has actually had more success (however you define success) when he is not starting. I am grateful for his past contributions over two promotions, but right now, anyway, I just don't see him as a 'much needed' piece. JMHO.
Quote from: General on January 22, 2021, 01:22:54 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 21, 2021, 01:09:31 PM
The problem with playing Mitro is that we'd have to change shape and it's not as simple as "drop Cav and start Mitro". Assuming we decide to use him, we can't really play 5-2-3 as we have done in recent weeks because the point of the front 3 is to press high so that the midfield two are able to sit a little deeper and mop up any loose balls. We then revert to 5-4-1 under a prolonged period of pressure, which usually has Cav or Lookman as the highest pressing player. Mitro doesn't have that in his locker because he's a target man.
The other option is to say lets tweak it to a 5-3-2, because we need to balance losing our pressing from the front by making us more solid in the middle and harder to play through, because teams will have more time to build up from the back with Mitro playing. If you do this then you've got to probably drop BDR (our actual top scorer and one of our best performers), because RLC will most likely be the most advanced of the midfield trio with Mitro and Lookman up front. So we make the change to accommodate him but it makes us narrower and we'll have to sit deeper by default and probably resort to going long because Lookman will be the only player trying to get in behind. Like it or not, Cav has been good at linking attack and defence, and Mitro doesn't have the mobility to do what he's been doing, even if he's got better finishing ability and better hold up play.
Sorry don't see that at all.
With bdr back and Robinson we can easily play the same formation with mitrl lookman and bdr our most potent attacking unit and rlc and mitro even dovetailing off one another. Mitro can also play and has shown a willingness to play for the team anywhere necessary.
What we're lacking is finishing ability.. he is better at finishing than cavaleiro. This season and the great foundations we've built will be for nothing if we don't play mitro front and centr.
Its all about how we press not who is the better finisher!!! With mitro in the side (and im not saying he wont be against Brighton) we are one man short in press. In the premiership you get punished for that! There are other points too.
Mitro is not going to get the chances that we have carved out recently,because they have come through quick fluid play often on the counter. Its one thing to throw caution to the wind when your a goal down with 10 minutes to go and another to have a game strategy .
Mitro doesnt run the channels or switch positions but tends to stay central effectively locking the central areas and allowing the opposition defense to have the play in front of them.
And actually when it comes right down to it Mitro is not in the side primarily because he missed ahat load of chances and is currently not looking like scoring. I would bet that he has missed as many clear chances as Cavaleiro (and Im not happy with him either).
