Forget what Alladyce said at half time. What is it that Parker didn't say. So bloody sloppy, we just thought we had the game won and that is down to the manager.
Sorry Scott, minor progress but just not good enough .
Agreed. We have a decent squad.
The message at HT seems to be we have it won.
Who would you bring in? Serious question.
Quote from: LC on January 30, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Who would you bring in? Serious question.
Exactly. All the decent managers are working.
Please, for the love of god, don't say Lampard.
Rubbish. You never come on and join discussions just leap in with a sack the manager post. Utter garbage.
Who would I bring in? Rafa. If the Khan's are really serious about us as a long term project, we need better than Parker.
Quote from: LC on January 30, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Who would you bring in? Serious question.
Benitez
Howe
I can't take this anymore - 2 seasons of trying not to lose matches. Total inability to win matches.
Its a disease and the only cure is new manager.
Why does someone always need to be a culprit?
Quote from: howitis on January 30, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: LC on January 30, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Who would you bring in? Serious question.
Benitez
Howe
I can't take this anymore - 2 seasons of trying not to lose matches. Total inability to win matches.
Its a disease and the only cure is new manager.
And explain why they are both preferred? Especially Howe.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on January 30, 2021, 04:53:47 PM
Why does someone always need to be a culprit?
To be fair, you can't defend the chalk and cheese halves we had today. At half time you press home the urgency of coming out of the blocks, and instead we revert back to type and concede in the first 15 mins because we look like a rabbit in the headlights. That game should've been done after 45 mins and somehow we find ourselves having to score an equaliser
If I had to pick two it would be Benitez and Howe.
But I still think we should stick with Scott Parker, this season isn't over by a long way. Brighton have Tottenham and Liverpool next. We can still catch them
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on January 30, 2021, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: howitis on January 30, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: LC on January 30, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Who would you bring in? Serious question.
Benitez
Howe
I can't take this anymore - 2 seasons of trying not to lose matches. Total inability to win matches.
Its a disease and the only cure is new manager.
And explain why they are both preferred? Especially Howe.
Are you really asking how Rafas is preferable to Parker? Seriously?
I have to agree, pretty ineffective football, we need a change
Come on if your going to post something ,come with something better than that OP!
So we keep the same DOF that blew our last chance in the PL by wasting £100m on terrible signings, then spent another £50m to scrape us back up last year, and now skint, with £100m of those players still on the books but not starting, spent our residual funds slightly better but still failed to get a CB in for the start of this season and failed to get a striker in this month.
Another manager change isn't the solution
Who would come? why would they? Parker is a good lad but not experienced enough to get us out of this mess. You have to make do with the players you have its that simple....
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on January 30, 2021, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: howitis on January 30, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: LC on January 30, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Who would you bring in? Serious question.
Benitez
Howe
I can't take this anymore - 2 seasons of trying not to lose matches. Total inability to win matches.
Its a disease and the only cure is new manager.
And explain why they are both preferred? Especially Howe.
2 wins in 20 - I could picked Homer Simpson you couldn't argue ...
Quote from: Statto on January 30, 2021, 04:58:43 PM
So we keep the same DOF that blew our last chance with £100m on terrible signings, then spent another £50m to scrape us up, and now skint, with £100m of those players stoll on the books but not starting, spent our residual funds slightly better but still failed to get a CB in for the start of this season and failed to get a striker in this month.
The problem is not Parker.
That's why I bring in Rafa if possible. Its well known he would have considerable say on transfers, even when he was at Newcastle, key transfers would be through him. If Khan is ever going to succeed, he just needs to delegate to a better person for the job.....
Quote from: howitis on January 30, 2021, 04:31:39 PM
Forget what Alladyce said at half time. What is it that Parker didn't say. So bloody sloppy, we just thought we had the game won and that is down to the manager.
Sorry Scott, minor progress but just not good enough .
Might possibly been down to the players thinking they'd already won game,and we're dreaming at start of second half.
I support not firing Parker at all. I want stability at Fulham. Parker is a solid manager. Hasn't lost the dressing room at all.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 30, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: howitis on January 30, 2021, 04:31:39 PM
Forget what Alladyce said at half time. What is it that Parker didn't say. So bloody sloppy, we just thought we had the game won and that is down to the manager.
Sorry Scott, minor progress but just not good enough .
Might possibly been down to the players thinking they'd already won game,and we're dreaming at start of second half.
It's up to Parker to make sure they know what's coming, they were not going to be as bad in the second half that was obvious
Bye Scott.
I don't really understand the continuation theory. I've not seen enough to say he's pushing this team forwards. Yes, we're harder to beat, but that's also down to how negative we play sometimes and the quality we brought in. Parker clearly has some praise for this too, but not enough praise. I've seen enough, if better is available (and it is) I'd look elsewhere.
It just feels like a continuation of mediocrity.
2 wins in 20 games. The team doesn't even have the cohesion it used to. The professionalism has gone too. We should have had the game dead and buried by half time. The fact that we didn't the number 1 thing we needed to do was come out in the 2nd half with intensity and drive knowing WBA couldn't possibly be as bad as they were 1st half.
That's literally Parker's job in the dressing room. Make the team understand that if he didn't himself. And we come out in the 2nd half and play arrogant low tempo football and get punished for it.
Times up. There's no progression. We need a change
Quote from: Rambler on January 30, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
2 wins in 20 games. The team doesn't even have the cohesion it used to. The professionalism has gone too. We should have had the game dead and buried by half time. The fact that we didn't the number 1 thing we needed to do was come out in the 2nd half with intensity and drive knowing WBA couldn't possibly be as bad as they were 1st half.
That's literally Parker's job in the dressing room. Make the team understand that if he didn't himself. And we come out in the 2nd half and play arrogant low tempo football and get punished for it.
Times up. There's no progression. We need a change
Agree with this.
I love the "I want stability" argument. It just makes no sense. What is the point of being consistently poor ? We are stable and bad !
Do you want the status quo or improvement, if we had a bad centre forward you'd get one who could shoot. We have a bad manager who can't motivate and STILL has not worked out any decent dead ball routines, our best team, and that Mitro is a class player.
One thing that was obvious today was that Mitro holds the ball up well, can pass it and makes defenders nervous. But we also learned Scott's team talks are bad, (see my post last week, we always give ground after half time, )and his team selection is flawed and two points from playing Brighton and WBA is not good enough.
We actually looked worse today than in any of our recent games...except up front where Mitro and Lookman looked OK.If only Bobby had taken that second chance.
I like SP, but he just doesn't have the tools to compete in the PL. While we fortified our defense, we neglected our offense. Without a bonafide striker, what do you want from the guy (?). And please, don't tell me Mitro is that man. He's a sub, at best, in this league.
Quote from: Worcesterwhite on January 30, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 30, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: howitis on January 30, 2021, 04:31:39 PM
Forget what Alladyce said at half time. What is it that Parker didn't say. So bloody sloppy, we just thought we had the game won and that is down to the manager.
Sorry Scott, minor progress but just not good enough .
Might possibly been down to the players thinking they'd already won game,and we're dreaming at start of second half.
It's up to Parker to make sure they know what's coming, they were not going to be as bad in the second half that was obvious
Exactly, it's the manager who has to ensure that complacency doesn't creep in to players' minds.
He has to keep them grounded.
Quote from: Rambler on January 30, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
2 wins in 20 games. The team doesn't even have the cohesion it used to. The professionalism has gone too. We should have had the game dead and buried by half time. The fact that we didn't the number 1 thing we needed to do was come out in the 2nd half with intensity and drive knowing WBA couldn't possibly be as bad as they were 1st half.
That's literally Parker's job in the dressing room. Make the team understand that if he didn't himself. And we come out in the 2nd half and play arrogant low tempo football and get punished for it.
Times up. There's no progression. We need a change
I agree with a lot of that, but the problem in the first 15-20 of the second half wasn't that we played "arrogant low tempo football", it was actually a bit of the opposite. The players panicked and instead of trying to slow the game down and play patiently, under more pressure we kept on making stupid decisions and playing blind passes, giving away possession and allowing pressure on us to increase. No one took control - and that is another feature of this Parker team.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 30, 2021, 05:07:56 PM
I don't really understand the continuation theory. I've not seen enough to say he's pushing this team forwards. Yes, we're harder to beat, but that's also down to how negative we play sometimes and the quality we brought in. Parker clearly has some praise for this too, but not enough praise. I've seen enough, if better is available (and it is) I'd look elsewhere.
It just feels like a continuation of mediocrity.
This. I don't think Parker is a particularly bad manager, but he's also not a particularly good one.
It is as much up to the players as it is to the manager to guard against complacency. It is amazing how so many people seem to know what was said in the dressing room at half time. I don't know either, but I am prepared to bet my life savings that Parker did not say anything like "Don't worry, lads, you can relax - the game's won" or "Don't bother marking Perreira" or "You can just coast to the end". I suspect the message was the opposite i.e. to guard against complacency.
We are going down and Parker will be sacked only if we get in trouble next season in Championship.
Quote from: Plodder on January 30, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
It is as much up to the players as it is to the manager to guard against complacency. It is amazing how so many people seem to know what was said in the dressing room at half time. I don't know either, but I am prepared to bet my life savings that Parker did not say anything like "Don't worry, lads, you can relax - the game's won" or "Don't bother marking Perreira" or "You can just coast to the end". I suspect the message was the opposite i.e. to guard against complacency.
Voice of reason to me. Parker is an easy target, and he'll be glad to accept that fact, but doesn't mean we need to take the obvious route. The players body language and attitude were poor right from the start of the second half. To me, it made zero sense as to why though. Once we conceded, we had our bounce back and energy. It shouldn't take that force though - and that was the issue I saw. At least we showed character and salvaged a point. Not good enough, but a point is a point.
He helped with the promotion last season and may do the same next season, sadly when all the loanees go back to their clubs we won`t be left with a promotion chasing squad, so maybe won't matter who is in charge.
Quote from: davew on January 30, 2021, 05:44:52 PM
He helped with the promotion last season and may do the same next season, sadly when all the loanees go back to their clubs we won`t be left with a promotion chasing squad, so maybe won't matter who is in charge.
When the loanees go back we will be left with a squad that is stronger than the one that Parker got promoted last time. The question is more if we will lose many more players important players or not.
Quote from: Statto on January 30, 2021, 04:58:43 PM
So we keep the same DOF that blew our last chance in the PL by wasting £100m on terrible signings, then spent another £50m to scrape us back up last year, and now skint, with £100m of those players still on the books but not starting, spent our residual funds slightly better but still failed to get a CB in for the start of this season and failed to get a striker in this month.
Another manager change isn't the solution
The thing is the makings are there for a good squad this season and mitro was kept out of the last however many games, something Parker took responsibility for.. and at a time when we were struggling to score goals. He's admitted its his fault in that respect and in truth half time team talks like today clearly point in a specific direction, even moreso when you put it in context against the below par performances we got last season with the squad we had.
The arguments for keeping him just become far less convincing and the case more and more black and white in terms of him being replaced.
Quote from: Matt10 on January 30, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: Plodder on January 30, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
It is as much up to the players as it is to the manager to guard against complacency. It is amazing how so many people seem to know what was said in the dressing room at half time. I don't know either, but I am prepared to bet my life savings that Parker did not say anything like "Don't worry, lads, you can relax - the game's won" or "Don't bother marking Perreira" or "You can just coast to the end". I suspect the message was the opposite i.e. to guard against complacency.
Voice of reason to me. Parker is an easy target, and he'll be glad to accept that fact, but doesn't mean we need to take the obvious route. The players body language and attitude were poor right from the start of the second half. To me, it made zero sense as to why though. Once we conceded, we had our bounce back and energy. It shouldn't take that force though - and that was the issue I saw. At least we showed character and salvaged a point. Not good enough, but a point is a point.
He may not have said, "don't worry guys we've got this in the bag", but you can see him saying lukewarm things like.. "we're doing well, keep this up and with a few positional tweaks and we're in a good place.."
You definitely can't imagine him saying.. with energy.. right you, do this, we need more urgency in the second half, its really time to stamp our authority on the second half and dominate them.. let's force them to make mistakes, they're going to come out in the second half and want to fight for this, let's dominate them and not let that happen".. he's just too passive/calm/measured for that.
people crying out for his sacking dont get that!
Quote from: General on January 30, 2021, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on January 30, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: Plodder on January 30, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
It is as much up to the players as it is to the manager to guard against complacency. It is amazing how so many people seem to know what was said in the dressing room at half time. I don't know either, but I am prepared to bet my life savings that Parker did not say anything like "Don't worry, lads, you can relax - the game's won" or "Don't bother marking Perreira" or "You can just coast to the end". I suspect the message was the opposite i.e. to guard against complacency.
Voice of reason to me. Parker is an easy target, and he'll be glad to accept that fact, but doesn't mean we need to take the obvious route. The players body language and attitude were poor right from the start of the second half. To me, it made zero sense as to why though. Once we conceded, we had our bounce back and energy. It shouldn't take that force though - and that was the issue I saw. At least we showed character and salvaged a point. Not good enough, but a point is a point.
He may not have said, "don't worry guys we've got this in the bag", but you can see him saying lukewarm things like.. "we're doing well, keep this up and with a few positional tweaks and we're in a good place.."
You definitely can't imagine him saying.. with energy.. right you, do this, we need more urgency in the second half, its really time to stamp our authority on the second half and dominate them.. let's force them to make mistakes, they're going to come out in the second half and want to fight for this, let's dominate them and not let that happen".. he's just too passive/calm/measured for that.
I disagree entirely with your analysis. We'll never know, but if I had to bet, I would wager that his message was the latter.
i'd rather go down with parker than keep going on the manager merry go round
Get off Scott Parker's back
Some of you are ridiculous
Quote from: clarkey on January 30, 2021, 05:18:39 PM
I love the "I want stability" argument. It just makes no sense. What is the point of being consistently poor ? We are stable and bad !
Do you want the status quo or improvement, if we had a bad centre forward you'd get one who could shoot. We have a bad manager who can't motivate and STILL has not worked out any decent dead ball routines, our best team, and that Mitro is a class player.
One thing that was obvious today was that Mitro holds the ball up well, can pass it and makes defenders nervous. But we also learned Scott's team talks are bad, (see my post last week, we always give ground after half time, )and his team selection is flawed and two points from playing Brighton and WBA is not good enough.
We actually looked worse today than in any of our recent games...except up front where Mitro and Lookman looked OK.If only Bobby had taken that second chance.
Youve clearly got it all worked out .
You can never discount an Allardice team that are struggling, not my fave bloke but he does have a way of firing up players. So, we should have seen that coming at beginning of 2nd half and been more prepared. I'm not qualified to say whether it was what Parker said or didn' tsay at HT, or whether the players own attitude was at fault. Either way, Baggies reaction was predictable and we weren't ready for it. On balance, I'd say hang on to Parker whichever divi we end up in. Howe would be a gamble, and Rafa is old school who buys a team rather than building it (Ranieri anyone?). In the end, a real scarcity of good managers will push up their salary ask with no guarantees so I reckon we stay with what we have.
How many former athletes/footballers on this forum can say that during their playing experience in whatever sport: "Blimey that second half, we were so poor. If only the Gaffer had more clearly defined our goals at the half-time talk, we would never have lost that game."?
#SaidNoOneEver
Quote from: General on January 30, 2021, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on January 30, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: Plodder on January 30, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
It is as much up to the players as it is to the manager to guard against complacency. It is amazing how so many people seem to know what was said in the dressing room at half time. I don't know either, but I am prepared to bet my life savings that Parker did not say anything like "Don't worry, lads, you can relax - the game's won" or "Don't bother marking Perreira" or "You can just coast to the end". I suspect the message was the opposite i.e. to guard against complacency.
Voice of reason to me. Parker is an easy target, and he'll be glad to accept that fact, but doesn't mean we need to take the obvious route. The players body language and attitude were poor right from the start of the second half. To me, it made zero sense as to why though. Once we conceded, we had our bounce back and energy. It shouldn't take that force though - and that was the issue I saw. At least we showed character and salvaged a point. Not good enough, but a point is a point.
He may not have said, "don't worry guys we've got this in the bag", but you can see him saying lukewarm things like.. "we're doing well, keep this up and with a few positional tweaks and we're in a good place.."
You definitely can't imagine him saying.. with energy.. right you, do this, we need more urgency in the second half, its really time to stamp our authority on the second half and dominate them.. let's force them to make mistakes, they're going to come out in the second half and want to fight for this, let's dominate them and not let that happen".. he's just too passive/calm/measured for that.
I've never been a player of his, never been in his dressing room, never even been a fly on the wall.
I have heard him shout when the fake crowd noises are off, and he shouts...a lot. Very distinctly heard as well.
So I'm not sure what's the point of addressing things we aren't privvy to, and using that as a basis for an argument. It's all speculation and I think we're better bunch than to grasp at straws like that.
We started loosing this game half way through the first half when we were cruising. We slowed, lost our urgency and let them come onto us. Parker needed to address that from the sideline and then again at half time. He just isn't ready for the job.
Sometimes you have to wonder if the manager has any effect on the team listening to the excuses given. The team was taken completely unaware the moment WBA started pressing and they weren't able to deal with the high press for 25 minutes before Parker decided to make a change in formation after lettng in two goals.
Quote from: Tabby on January 30, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
Sometimes you have to wonder if the manager has any effect on the team listening to the excuses given. The team was taken completely unaware the moment WBA started pressing and they weren't able to deal with the high press for 25 minutes before Parker decided to make a change in formation after lettng in two goals.
Exactly, we'll never know what happened at half-time.
What we do know is it took 25 minutes for him to change anything after half time.
West Brom responded after half time having had a woeful first half
BDR had 3 excellent chances but sadly buried only one. Not good enough!
Loftus Cheek contributed nothing & he won't be here @ the end of the season
Robinson poor, underwhelmed!
Mitro first half had service to him & played well. Second half didn't get any support
The subs did very well.
Anguissa & Anderson sublime
Likely now that most of the core of excellent players will clear off @ the end of the season when the expected happens
Such a shame as we are so near to having a team good enough to more than survive
Not Scotty's fault but....for the lack of one or two other signings..... again not his fault
You have to ask chewing the cud if you don't get the support of the owner & his son....well what can you do or achieve?
Gutted as it seems like 3 points lost as opposed to 1 gained
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on January 30, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
Mitro first half had service to him & played well. Second half didn't get any support
I agree Mitrovic had a good first half. In our position, however, we can't afford to give a player a 'free pass' when we're up against it and need to turn things around. Mitrovic has to contribute something to get us going again, just like every other player. In my view, he was as responsible for our showing after Albion's equaliser as the rest of those who struggled and took so long to get us a foothold back in the game.
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on January 30, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
West Brom responded after half time having had a woeful first half
BDR had 3 excellent chances but sadly buried only one. Not good enough!
Loftus Cheek contributed nothing & he won't be here @ the end of the season
Robinson poor, underwhelmed!
Mitro first half had service to him & played well. Second half didn't get any support
The subs did very well.
Anguissa & Anderson sublime
Likely now that most of the core of excellent players will clear off @ the end of the season when the expected happens
Such a shame as we are so near to having a team good enough to more than survive
Not Scotty's fault but....for the lack of one or two other signings..... again not his fault
You have to ask chewing the cud if you don't get the support of the owner & his son....well what can you do or achieve?
Gutted as it seems like 3 points lost as opposed to 1 gained
RLC was the one who slotted the pass into BDR's path when he struck the post. If BDR scores that, RLC's got the assist.
At least put some effort when posting blanket statements.
