Poll
Question:
In or out?
Option 1: In
votes: 86
Option 2: Out
votes: 24
Blingo says OUT
Rafa in, please.
Out.
In
Out only is better is available. I wouldn't gamble on Howe personally, but Rafa absolutely. If that calibre isn't available, I'd keep him but be prepared for more disappointment down the line.
Out for me.
In for the whole season.
In for the whole season. He gained us a point today with substitutions which most people questioned at the time.
It depends on who we can get in. I'd say out, but if the incumbent has to put up with TK having the say over recruitment, it's not going to be anyone any good.
This is what the poll function is for blingo! :005:
My vote goes to IN nonetheless
I've been defending him but my patience is running out.
In
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on January 30, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
This is what the poll function is for blingo! :005:
My vote goes to IN nonetheless
TBH im too wound up to use it Sgt
I think In ... we have been here before with the Saviour manager ... too late in season now.
Give it a go .. if we go down.. sad
In.
But one bookie making Rafa odds on as coming in....Money down on Asian markets,where he just come from.
Smell a rat?🐭
IN.
Why create more chaos and disrupt? SP is young and still learning. He's done good job to get FFC in the Prem. He's missing a couple of player pieces. I think best thing is to stick with SP for at least a couple of more seasons, even if it's back in the Champ.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 30, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
In.
But one bookie making Rafa odds on as coming in....Money down on Asian markets,where he just come from.
Smell a rat?🐭
If he comes in then Mitro will be gone.
Quote from: blingo on January 30, 2021, 05:38:13 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 30, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
In.
But one bookie making Rafa odds on as coming in....Money down on Asian markets,where he just come from.
Smell a rat?[emoji193]
If he comes in then Mitro will be gone.
That's a point
At half time having dominated the game but only being a goal up I predicted a 2-1 defeat. We lost the chance of three points in that first half. But having got back to a draw with a goal made by a sub and scored by a sub I am not sure why Parker is being thought of as being the one at fault. We simply are not very good and I am not sure a new manager will make any more difference than any other time we brought in a new man after struggling in the Prem.
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 05:39:28 PM
At half time having dominated the game but only being a goal up I predicted a 2-1 defeat. We lost the chance of three points in that first half. But having got back to a draw with a goal made by a sub and scored by a sub I am not sure why Parker is being thought of as being the one at fault. We simply are not very good and I am not sure a new manager will make any more difference than any other time we brought in a new man after struggling in the Prem.
Motivation and tactics come to mind Ross.
In
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 30, 2021, 05:26:45 PM
Out only is better is available. I wouldn't gamble on Howe personally, but Rafa absolutely. If that calibre isn't available, I'd keep him but be prepared for more disappointment down the line.
Something along these lines. Although I think there must be better than just having Rafa as an option over keeping parker. So I'm more in the Parker out camp then in at this stage. We've had enough time with him producing mediocre performances from the better quality squad those results have got.
Whatsmore is I'm fed up of being a yoyo team and actually think if we stay up we've got the makings of a potentially quite exciting squad. I want someone who can bring that out more.
In
In for the season and next season, unless things go horribly wrong next season. We are going to be playing in the Championship next season, unfortuanately, and he knows how to get a team promoted from that division, so I'll stick with him. I lay the blame for this relegation at TK's door. We are one or two PL calibre attacking players short of staying up this time round.
Blingo you should add a poll to this thread.
Too many of the squad and first choice players are just not PL quality but a good coach could do better if only by motivation. We have never looked fit enough and coaching for crossing the ball appears school boy at best.
In. Just remember Bobby Robson, great piece of business sacking him after 1 season. The rest is history after he left us. Get Mitro firing, we will be ok.
i am for keeping parker but in the last two games he helped cost us 4 points, no question.
his obseesion with the very poor rubens is a very big bugbear. plus second half tactics were non existent until we went 2 1 down. did he not realise sam would change things, he wasn't looking when the new center forward came on so not sure he even knew.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 30, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
In.
But one bookie making Rafa odds on as coming in....Money down on Asian markets,where he just come from.
Smell a rat?🐭
If it's the Chinese markets, Bat.
To do that Jarv you have to have players that are prepared to give him the ball
Shake it all about
Was Parker out for most of last season, because we constantly underperformed with a very talented championship side and saw lots of good players become worse. Should have gone up automatically.
This season, I'm a bit more sympathetic towards him as lots of our squad are playing well for him and giving 100%, but we just don't have a natural finisher (evident in today's first half). If Parker was given a second striker and we still kept failing to win, I'd be less sympathetic.
Quote from: jarv on January 30, 2021, 05:46:17 PM
In. Just remember Bobby Robson, great piece of business sacking him after 1 season. The rest is history after he left us. Get Mitro firing, we will be ok.
Bobby Robson is brought up a bit in these discussions. Other than him, list the sacked Fulham managers to subsequently achieve great things.
Cookie Coleman cav for Sheffield Weds job.
Would be stupid to change managers imo
Parker In for me
IN definitely.
In. I'm sick and tired of all this calling for managers to be sacked. Look at the last two relegations, where did sacking managers get us? Khan said he was appointing Parker to bring stability to the club and that is what we have.
Parker is a good coach/manager and getting better all the time. Keep him whatever happens and I believe success will come.
IN for me, we have a game in hand don't we? Also if Mitro gets going then we have some goals.
In - he has the potential to be an outstanding manager. Look at what happened to Frank Lampard compared to the way Man U backed Solskjaer - Arsenal have backed Arteta.......needs a couple of results to go well.
If we could get Rafa in, I'd do it, if we can't I'd stick with what we have
IN.... but why not add a Poll?? Just an idea.....😉⚽️⚽️
Always in. Stop this nonsense. Parker has the chance if we give him some time to be a splendid top flight manager some day. For crying out loud, it's his first season in the Prem!
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on January 30, 2021, 06:28:52 PM
IN.... but why not add a Poll?? Just an idea.....😉⚽️⚽️
Already suggested that, come on Blingo it is easy to do!!
Quote from: SouthIslandWhite on January 30, 2021, 06:32:46 PM
Always in. Stop this nonsense. Parker has the chance if we give him some time to be a splendid top flight manager some day. For crying out loud, it's his first season in the Prem!
And our last for quite a while!!
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Please explain why he is not what we want ?
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Please explain why he is not what we want ?
Despite being at Liverpool and Chelsea he was unable to make a difference in the league and at Newcastle despite money to back him didn't make much of an impact. He plays very much a counter attacking style which is very similar to Parker Ball. Hardly a manager to change things around.
SP in
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Please explain why he is not what we want ?
Despite being at Liverpool and Chelsea he was unable to make a difference in the league and at Newcastle despite money to back him didn't make much of an impact. He plays very much a counter attacking style which is very similar to Parker Ball. Hardly a manager to change things around.
Wrong on so many levels there. But you're welcome to that opinion.
In. If players actually were good enough to score from the opportunities Parker's tactics gave us in first half we would not be having this conversation.
Sack Reid & Lookman for missing 1 on 1's
Quote from: davew on January 30, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: SouthIslandWhite on January 30, 2021, 06:32:46 PM
Always in. Stop this nonsense. Parker has the chance if we give him some time to be a splendid top flight manager some day. For crying out loud, it's his first season in the Prem!
And our last for quite a while!!
Just like the last time we were relegated you mean
Where has this Benitez stuff come from? And why on earth would he want to come here?
In!
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 30, 2021, 07:14:25 PM
Where has this Benitez stuff come from? And why on earth would he want to come here?
Exactly right. People put names forward and haven't a clue whether they're interested or indeed if there's even a vacancy
Quote from: SG on January 30, 2021, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 30, 2021, 07:14:25 PM
Where has this Benitez stuff come from? And why on earth would he want to come here?
Exactly right. People put names forward and haven't a clue whether they're interested or indeed if there's even a vacancy
I mentioned Benitez as he's a manager I'd prefer to Parker but added if the option isn't available and a manager of his quality (high end basically) wasn't available, I'd stick with Parker. It's an opinion. No less valid than people who want to keep Parker, we have no idea how TK and the board feel about him at this moment in time. All we do know is, yes, he's currently the manager but he must be skating on extremely thin ice. 2 wins from 20. Managers have been sacked for far less. Rightly or wrongly.
In all the way! I think Parker has done a good job so far with the talent we have on hand. He's learned from his past and has changed our tactics for the better, and we look a better team now. Yes, results aren't going our way, but some of this has to go on the players. Parker can't be taking all the blame even though I know that's how it is for managers these days. The players created plenty of chances first half and only one was converted.
In. Let's have some stability.
In but get rid in the summer if/when we go down
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Please explain why he is not what we want ?
Despite being at Liverpool and Chelsea he was unable to make a difference in the league and at Newcastle despite money to back him didn't make much of an impact. He plays very much a counter attacking style which is very similar to Parker Ball. Hardly a manager to change things around.
He joined Newcastle when they were relegation fodder but the following season romped the Championship and got them promoted. He is a quality manager that could be the difference between loosing some key players and keeping them to fight for us next season. He has shown he is not afraid to do it in the lower leagues and is proven at the highest level. Highly rated and we would be lucky to get him.
Scott Parker IN, but get rid of TK he is a carbuncle on the backside of this club and the reason why we are in the bottom 3, and whether we stay up or go down he should be replaced by a proper qualified Director of Football, enough is enough with this imposter.
It would not matter which manager was at the club because they would still have to put up with this part time amateur who is only in this position because of who his father is and not on merit.
I asked myself this question, if we had Big Sam in charge and SP was in the seat at WBA this afternoon would we have been sharing the points after our first 30 min performance.
I think not, we would have taken all three and comfortabley.
Out.
He's not been properly backed in attack. I think he's done well overall and mainly been let down by the players missing chances. You could say he's a bit too cautious, but even so we should have got more wins based on chances.
In
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Please explain why he is not what we want ?
Despite being at Liverpool and Chelsea he was unable to make a difference in the league and at Newcastle despite money to back him didn't make much of an impact. He plays very much a counter attacking style which is very similar to Parker Ball. Hardly a manager to change things around.
He joined Newcastle when they were relegation fodder but the following season romped the Championship and got them promoted. He is a quality manager that could be the difference between loosing some key players and keeping them to fight for us next season. He has shown he is not afraid to do it in the lower leagues and is proven at the highest level. Highly rated and we would be lucky to get him.
Which players would stay because if Rafa was coach and not any other coach? I wasn't aware of any loyalty to him with any of out current squad. I am not aware Rafa at Newcastle did more than Parker at fulham considering Newcastles backing.
Quote from: VamosFFC on January 30, 2021, 07:24:26 PM
In all the way! I think Parker has done a good job so far with the talent we have on hand. He's learned from his past and has changed our tactics for the better, and we look a better team now. Yes, results aren't going our way, but some of this has to go on the players. Parker can't be taking all the blame even though I know that's how it is for managers these days. The players created plenty of chances first half and only one was converted.
I agree. But if he gets a good striker and the team doesn't improve its results then he won't have any more excuses.
IN,
I was wrong re Slavisa, we should have persevered, so stick with SP.
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
I asked myself this question, if we had Big Sam in charge and SP was in the seat at WBA this afternoon would we have been sharing the points after our first 30 min performance.
I think not, we would have taken all three and comfortabley.
Out.
Maybe but then again we wouldnt have played in the way we played in the first half either now would we for gods sake !!!
Out, because we need a manager who challenge the Kahns.
Undecided so I suppose that's an in, just think he should have got himself a more experienced assistant we have 2 people learning on the job,
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 11:33:46 PM
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on January 30, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Please will people stop mentioning Rafa. He is just the sort of coach/manager we don't want. Like those who wanted Big Sam. Please have some common sense folks.
Please explain why he is not what we want ?
Despite being at Liverpool and Chelsea he was unable to make a difference in the league and at Newcastle despite money to back him didn't make much of an impact. He plays very much a counter attacking style which is very similar to Parker Ball. Hardly a manager to change things around.
He joined Newcastle when they were relegation fodder but the following season romped the Championship and got them promoted. He is a quality manager that could be the difference between loosing some key players and keeping them to fight for us next season. He has shown he is not afraid to do it in the lower leagues and is proven at the highest level. Highly rated and we would be lucky to get him.
Which players would stay because if Rafa was coach and not any other coach? I wasn't aware of any loyalty to him with any of out current squad. I am not aware Rafa at Newcastle did more than Parker at fulham considering Newcastles backing.
Benitez has a track record of wanting to spend big and has had his fair share of disasters at Inter and one of the Madrid's so if we are looking at his Liverpool record, circa 2005, which had one highlight but of course ended badly, and the Newcastle promotion I'd say stick with SP.
Anybody coming in is going to have to show and tell rather than buy and sign.
Quote from: ALG01 on January 30, 2021, 05:46:37 PM
i am for keeping parker but in the last two games he helped cost us 4 points, no question.
his obseesion with the very poor rubens is a very big bugbear. plus second half tactics were non existent until we went 2 1 down. did he not realise sam would change things, he wasn't looking when the new center forward came on so not sure he even knew.
Scots fault RLC had one cleared off the line against BHA? Scotts fault BDR hit the post and should have made it 2? Scotts fault Areola threw two in recently? Scotts fault Mitro missed a pen v Sheff Utd? Scotts fault Lookman missed a pen v WHU?
Wow, with everything bring Scotts fault I'm surprised he can face leaving the house each day.
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Quote from: Hoppus on January 31, 2021, 07:43:23 AM
Out, because we need a manager who challenge the Kahns.
I work as a manager in a business & disagree with many of the owners decisions but, whilst I constructively put across alternative viewpoints, ultimately unless I have the money to buy the Company I perform my job to the best of my ability with the resources at my disposal. I think SP is in the same position.
Relegation or not, I want him to stay.
OUT!!!
But only if we can replace him with someone with lots of experience and a Premier League title under their belts. Perhaps, Ranieri.
Quote from: _Putney_ on January 31, 2021, 07:58:04 PM
OUT!!!
But only if we can replace him with someone with lots of experience and a Premier League title under their belts. Perhaps, Ranieri.
Never heard of him.
Quote from: VamosFFC on January 30, 2021, 07:24:26 PM
In all the way! I think Parker has done a good job so far with the talent we have on hand. He's learned from his past and has changed our tactics for the better, and we look a better team now. Yes, results aren't going our way, but some of this has to go on the players. Parker can't be taking all the blame even though I know that's how it is for managers these days. The players created plenty of chances first half and only one was converted.
. Good managers turn things around. A perfect example of this is when Roy took over a worse bunch than we have now and got us to our highest ever prem finish a d the final of the Europa Cup.
Better hang on to him now, we are going to need him to lead us in the Championship next year.
If our owners are thinking of a change,it will come tomorrow.
Not because of the WBA result,but the result from Brighton tonight,they might just think that we're up to our necks in it now.
Otherwise he'll stay I'm sure of.
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
I asked myself this question, if we had Big Sam in charge and SP was in the seat at WBA this afternoon would we have been sharing the points after our first 30 min performance.
I think not, we would have taken all three and comfortabley.
Out.
If fat boy had been in charge we wouldn't have had an attacking 1st half performance!
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 31, 2021, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: Luka on January 30, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
I asked myself this question, if we had Big Sam in charge and SP was in the seat at WBA this afternoon would we have been sharing the points after our first 30 min performance.
I think not, we would have taken all three and comfortabley.
Out.
If fat boy had been in charge we wouldn't have had an attacking 1st half performance!
So the fact is that they scored the same number of goals as we did. So our "attacking 1st half performance" was matched by them in the 2nd 45.
I'm not a fan of Allerdyce either but ffs he got them sorted at half time. They were a different proposition second half and we were lethargic.
I have SP in for the season, because I see no point in changing now, if we are relegated as seems likely a new man will want to have a say in his preferred players. I have never been a fan of Parker but he has dropped parkerball and improved the performances, I worry however if we go down he will revert to parkerball.
So we are all agreed then Scott Parker stays. 👍⚽️
May aswell now, we're stuffed anyway. However, we will need to rebuild the team for the championship as half of our players will be gone. Is SP the man to rebuild the team?
Quote from: blingo on February 01, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
May aswell now, we're stuffed anyway. However, we will need to rebuild the team for the championship as half of our players will be gone. Is SP the man to rebuild the team?
I think you find that there will be no need to rebuild the team for the Championship as Fulham will not be relegated.
As any Astrologer will tell you, the planets Jupiter and Saturn are moving into the Star Sign Aquarius, and any Werewolf will confirm that those planets and the Star sign are in conjunction with a "FULL MOOOON 🌕"therefore on that basis the Tide will turn and Fulham will avoid the trap door.
IN but only because there's no point replacing the manager if we keep the same DoF. A new manager will just end up as yet another scapegoat to cover up for someone else's incompetence.
Only two managers under the Khan's have been able to give us an identity, SJ and SP. SP has done so in the PL. Yes, it hasn't been enough but we are miles better than the start of the season and with the right strikers, I think we would be okay. It may be too late now but chopping and changing hasn't helped. Players also seem to like SP. Definitely SP in for me. We need some stability.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 01, 2021, 03:11:49 AM
So we are all agreed then Scott Parker stays. 👍⚽️
More decisive than the TK Out thread.
in for the rest of this season but if we aren't within striking distance of the play offs next season by december then time to replace so the new guy can tailor jan window signings to suit his plans.
