At half time I asked the people around me in H3 a question,some of these people have been watching Fulham for 10 or so years,some of them have have been watching for 60 years most are somewhere in middle.The question was this-Is the tide turning against Sparky?
The answer shocked me-they all, and I mean out of 20 all 20,said that Mark Hughes is not and never has been the man for Fulham.No lets give him a chance or lets see what he buys in Jan,just a straight "NO your not for us, time to go feller"
Is this what everybody thinks? is there just me saying lets see who he buys in Jan?
If you'd asked people the same question after the Sunderland game in the great escape season most would have said Hodgson needed to go. Please just give Sparky a chance.
Had the same conversation in P1...and its pretty much the same..no relationship of any kind with Hughes...not even enough if an opinion to shout Hughes out or anything like that...never known a game end and almost the whole crowd could not be bothered to do anything but leave...very strange.
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
If you'd asked people the same question after the Sunderland game in the great escape season most would have said Hodgson needed to go. Please just give Sparky a chance.
How any more chances do we have to give him. I for one am all out of chances.
It's turning into a bad joke. Blame hodgson, blame refereeing decisions, blame injuries- we've run out of excuses and I've run out of patience.
I've fought Sparky's corner ferociously but yes Syd the tide has turned. I can't fight anymore.
We don't win away and we've won two matches all season. Wolves barely counts because even then that was a last minute bundled goal from Dembele.
BZ is not the saviour and we cant pin our hopes on a good transfer window. It's unrealistic to expect all the gaps to be filled and everything to click into place.
Sparky is not keeping us up- west Ham and wigans incompetence is. That is the only thing keeping us safe right now.
Blackpool have won as many away matches than we have won in 3 years. Newcastle are rejuvenated and west brom are comfortable.
Villas win and Evertons inevitable late charge will see us stranded.
I'm not calling for Sparky's head I just want my team back.
Ok it's not good..BUT This isnt Mark Hughes side.. He was brought in so late he hasnt had chance to bring in any of his own players. Lets at least give him that chance in January!
For now IN HUGHES I TRUST!
Quote from: Jimpav on December 11, 2010, 08:48:31 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
If you'd asked people the same question after the Sunderland game in the great escape season most would have said Hodgson needed to go. Please just give Sparky a chance.
How any more chances do we have to give him. I for one am all out of chances.
It's turning into a bad joke. Blame hodgson, blame refereeing decisions, blame injuries- we've run out of excuses and I've run out of patience.
I've fought Sparky's corner ferociously but yes Syd the tide has turned. I can't fight anymore.
We don't win away and we've won two matches all season. Wolves barely counts because even then that was a last minute bundled goal from Dembele.
BZ is not the saviour and we cant pin our hopes on a good transfer window. It's unrealistic to expect all the gaps to be filled and everything to click into place.
Sparky is not keeping us up- west Ham and wigans incompetence is. That is the only thing keeping us safe right now.
Blackpool have won as many away matches than we have won in 3 years. Newcastle are rejuvenated and west brom are comfortable.
Villas win and Evertons inevitable late charge will see us stranded.
I'm not calling for Sparky's head I just want my team back.
Fair enough mate, but I'm off the opinon that whoever was in charge this season was going to be tough.
Murphy- 33
Davies- 30
Duff- 31
Gera- 31
A. Hughes- 31
Our team is crying out for some youth to freshen things up, especially in the midfield. Sparky had one month exactly from his appointment to asses what he needed, target players, agree fees and personal terms with players. Was this enough time? I doubt it, January is make or break, and I'm still behind the manager 100%.
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
If you'd asked people the same question after the Sunderland game in the great escape season most would have said Hodgson needed to go. Please just give Sparky a chance.
..............................................................well said and 100% spot-on..........some fans have short memories
Quote from: mrska on December 11, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
Ok it's not good..BUT This isnt Mark Hughes side.. He was brought in so late he hasnt had chance to bring in any of his own players. Lets at least give him that chance in January!
For now IN HUGHES I TRUST!................................................................my thoughts echoed deano...well said that man
But it took him 2 weeks to give Davies a contract, 5 weeks for dickson, he bought 3 players already and one of those is over 30 and a lot have doubts on him.
I'm not sure I trust his judgements at the moment.
We didnt win away under Woy either.
Dembele and Salcido have been good buys.
Our defence still works well.
Our midfield is too thin and ageing but he came in too late in the summer to do much about that.
We have three reasonable strike options and two of them are out injured and the third not fully back yet.
It's shite but it isn't down to Hughes.
Is salcido a good buy, not on todays showing that's for sure. Now don't get me wrong I think he has something but why has Hughes started him when not fully fit with other options?
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 09:39:27 PM
Is salcido a good buy, not on todays showing that's for sure. Now don't get me wrong I think he has something but why has Hughes started him when not fully fit with other options?
Not today no - he was late on three tackles and missed completely. However I can remember a lot of eulogies on here and elsewhere for those wonderful passes in to Demps and Zolly not long ago.
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Things are worrysome.
However, with todays loss at Newcastle, Roy Hodgson has won 1 prem away game in the last 27 as manager for Fulham and nearly half a season with Liverpool and a Big4.
Give MH more time to get his players. I'll make my mind up in January. Roy did us in royally the way he left us. :014:
Dembele was a terrific buy and a steal at £5 million, shame that thug Stoke did him so early, but even though injuries he has looked like he can provide that Spark. Halliche- who knows, and for now lets hope we dont find out for a bit, Hughes and Hangeland we're superb today, Bent, Welbeck and Gyan when he came on got very little in terms of changes. Salcido, started off well, fantastic crosser with both feet. Few injuries, huge loss of confidence, doesn't speak the language and all the stuff in the papers, cant be easy for the guy!
Hodgson liked older, experienced players, who followed instructions perfectly, we're rigid and hard to beat. Hughes seems to preger younger, more athletic, energic players who play more openly and freely. He needs time to get these types of players in i.e. Bentley, Ireland etc.
We will not go down under Hughes in my opinon as long as we get a striker in during January and keep the current team together. Shift some deadwood from the squad (stoor, ej, elm, riise, greening) add a few younger players, and suddenley top 10 looks possible.
Keep the faith.
Not disagreeing it was rubbish/disappointing/dismal etc. Just disagreeing with why. I'm just a bit surprised that Hughes is being made the scapegoat for lack of investment in an ageing squad and a very late decision on his appointment.
I don't think looking at reality is blind optimism.
If he makes some purchases in January and gets some money to do it but still doesn't get results by March/April then I will want to know what he is doing. Until then I don't see what he could do differently - looking at what was on the bench today didnt inspire me. Folk will suggest bringing in some youngsters but why frighten them to death at Anfield and maybe set them back in confidence.
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Personally I though we played really well in the second half, dominated the game, ball just wouldn't stick up top without a target man. Things are improving, West Ham is a great chance against a struggling to team to score some goals and build some confidence.
The team is about to click into shape, if we pull off a shock at Anfield Hughes will be god.
Quote from: WHITEwitch on December 11, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
Not disagreeing it was rubbish/disappointing/dismal etc. Just disagreeing with why. I'm just a bit surprised that Hughes is being made the scapegoat for lack of investment in an ageing squad and a very late decision on his appointment.
I don't think looking at reality is blind optimism.
If he makes some purchases in January and gets some money to do it but still doesn't get results by March/April then I will want to know what he is doing. Until then I don't see what he could do differently - looking at what was on the bench today didnt inspire me. Folk will suggest bringing in some youngsters but why frighten them to death at Anfield and maybe set them back in confidence.
That all makes perfect sense.
But there's something wrong. Hughes doesn't feel right. His Welsh mafia coaching staff doesn't feel right. They just don't seem like a good fit with Fulham. I can't fully articulate why or how but after 32 years supporting the club these guys just don't feel right.
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Personally I though we played really well in the second half, dominated the game, ball just wouldn't stick up top without a target man. Things are improving, West Ham is a great chance against a struggling to team to score some goals and build some confidence.
The team is about to click into shape, if we pull off a shock at Anfield Hughes will be god.
This is a good time to play Liverpool. Gerrard may still be out for another week (at least he won't hopefully last a whole match.)
I watched the Newcastle game today as well and Liverpool was shocking. I counted one chance that Torres completely wasted. The goal was a lucky and massive deflection. Their defense is very vulnerable and their midfield was owned by Newcastle today.
Lucky to escape with only a 3-1 loss. In think we are in with a reasonable shout next week at Anfield actually.
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Personally I though we played really well in the second half, dominated the game, ball just wouldn't stick up top without a target man. Things are improving, West Ham is a great chance against a struggling to team to score some goals and build some confidence.
The team is about to click into shape, if we pull off a shock at Anfield Hughes will be god.
This is a good time to play Liverpool. Gerrard may still be out for another week (at least he won't hopefully last a whole match.)
I watched the Newcastle game today as well and Liverpool was shocking. I counted one chance that Torres completely wasted. The goal was a lucky and massive deflection. Their defense is very vulnerable and their midfield was owned by Newcastle today.
Lucky to escape with only a 3-1 loss. In think we are in with a reasonable shout next week at Anfield actually.
Our players will be so pumped up for the game as well, show Roy what hes missing.
...I don't give a stuff about liverpool, it is my Fulham that is suffering.
I have heard and understood all the excuses - but I still fail to understand why 95% of our Europa campaign squad have suddenly lost the ability to play as a team...
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
...I don't give a stuff about liverpool, it is my Fulham that is suffering.
I have heard and understood all the excuses - but I still fail to understand why 95% of our Europa campaign squad have suddenly lost the ability to play as a team...
There is a school of thought that it is because they are 6 months older.
Personally I think that's rubbish.
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Personally I though we played really well in the second half, dominated the game, ball just wouldn't stick up top without a target man. Things are improving, West Ham is a great chance against a struggling to team to score some goals and build some confidence.
The team is about to click into shape, if we pull off a shock at Anfield Hughes will be god.
This is a good time to play Liverpool. Gerrard may still be out for another week (at least he won't hopefully last a whole match.)
I watched the Newcastle game today as well and Liverpool was shocking. I counted one chance that Torres completely wasted. The goal was a lucky and massive deflection. Their defense is very vulnerable and their midfield was owned by Newcastle today.
Lucky to escape with only a 3-1 loss. In think we are in with a reasonable shout next week at Anfield actually.
Our players will be so pumped up for the game as well, show Roy what hes missing.
Being in 17th spot you mean? Remind him of happier days, back in Pompey.
Seriously, I'll have some of what you're having then put a £10 on us not winning ($10 for you, Finn!): we haven't won away since a shot deflected off Bobby's arse at Pompey! Our next away win won't come at Anfield.
Quote from: CULTUREVULTURE on December 11, 2010, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
...I don't give a stuff about liverpool, it is my Fulham that is suffering.
I have heard and understood all the excuses - but I still fail to understand why 95% of our Europa campaign squad have suddenly lost the ability to play as a team...
There is a school of thought that it is because they are 6 months older.
Personally I think that's rubbish.
+1It's not that the team have turned rubbish in less than half a season, it's because the manager doesn't have the first clue about tactics.
exempli gratia:
That old dumb British managerial chestnut, more strikers = more goals. As
timmyg points out on Craven Cottage Newsround today:
It's probably no coincidence that Sunderland started threatening our goal immediately after Etuhu was replaced by EJ (and Gera took his spot), and Bruce brought on Zenden.
Zenden killed our midfield on the counter and easily could have assisted 2 goals. Good job by Bruce to recognize that, and bad for Hughes to again withdraw a CM for a striker and see our shape dissolve in full view.
+1 to both posts, its down to team selection and style...and that comes from Hughes.
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 10:22:35 PM
+1 to both posts, its down to team selection and style...and that comes from Hughes.
Style yes. Selection no. What choices does he really have? If his biggest conundrum is whether Salcido or Baird starts on left back he is not a very busy man that's for sure.
Quote from: CULTUREVULTURE on December 11, 2010, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
...I don't give a stuff about liverpool, it is my Fulham that is suffering.
I have heard and understood all the excuses - but I still fail to understand why 95% of our Europa campaign squad have suddenly lost the ability to play as a team...
There is a school of thought that it is because they are 6 months older.
Personally I think that's rubbish.
Playing a different system pheraps? Duff and Davies playing on the wrong, or right wings, either way you look at it, Etuhu playing as an attacking midfielder, injuries to new signings Dembele and Salcido and
the loss of our most important player last season might just of had an affect.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 11, 2010, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Personally I though we played really well in the second half, dominated the game, ball just wouldn't stick up top without a target man. Things are improving, West Ham is a great chance against a struggling to team to score some goals and build some confidence.
The team is about to click into shape, if we pull off a shock at Anfield Hughes will be god.
This is a good time to play Liverpool. Gerrard may still be out for another week (at least he won't hopefully last a whole match.)
I watched the Newcastle game today as well and Liverpool was shocking. I counted one chance that Torres completely wasted. The goal was a lucky and massive deflection. Their defense is very vulnerable and their midfield was owned by Newcastle today.
Lucky to escape with only a 3-1 loss. In think we are in with a reasonable shout next week at Anfield actually.
Our players will be so pumped up for the game as well, show Roy what hes missing.
Being in 17th spot you mean? Remind him of happier days, back in Pompey.
Seriously, I'll have some of what you're having then put a £10 on us not winning ($10 for you, Finn!): we haven't won away since a shot deflected off Bobby's arse at Pompey! Our next away win won't come at Anfield.
Show him what his missing in the sense of a low pressure job were the fans aren't on the managers back 24/7, which doesn't seem to be the case at Fulham anymore.
Gerrards injured, Torres is still badly out of form, Liverpool are there for the taking.
Weve got to hope hughes can get some good replacements in jan we must keep the faith at least till feb he hasn't had a fair chance so far.I do however wonder why we are still trying to play in the same way without a target/hold up player on the pitch.Fulham has had worse times and still overcome.
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 11, 2010, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 09:47:46 PM
...to all the optimists I suggest you don't walk down from the back of H6 and listen to what they are saying.
It pains me to say it with witchypoo looking in, but that was rubbish, no change in tactics from the previous games, players looking frustrated that they don't know or understand the gameplan.
I am seriously considering whether I want to endure watching MY football club being led further into the mire on boxing day.
Enjoy the blind optimism...
Personally I though we played really well in the second half, dominated the game, ball just wouldn't stick up top without a target man. Things are improving, West Ham is a great chance against a struggling to team to score some goals and build some confidence.
The team is about to click into shape, if we pull off a shock at Anfield Hughes will be god.
This is a good time to play Liverpool. Gerrard may still be out for another week (at least he won't hopefully last a whole match.)
I watched the Newcastle game today as well and Liverpool was shocking. I counted one chance that Torres completely wasted. The goal was a lucky and massive deflection. Their defense is very vulnerable and their midfield was owned by Newcastle today.
Lucky to escape with only a 3-1 loss. In think we are in with a reasonable shout next week at Anfield actually.
Our players will be so pumped up for the game as well, show Roy what hes missing.
Being in 17th spot you mean? Remind him of happier days, back in Pompey.
Seriously, I'll have some of what you're having then put a £10 on us not winning ($10 for you, Finn!): we haven't won away since a shot deflected off Bobby's arse at Pompey! Our next away win won't come at Anfield.
Show him what his missing in the sense of a low pressure job were the fans aren't on the managers back 24/7, which doesn't seem to be the case at Fulham anymore.
Gerrards injured, Torres is still badly out of form, Liverpool are there for the taking.
They've come home
with 5 wins from the last 5 fixtures at Anfield, 13-2 GD. (the game before that was the defeat to Blackpool)
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 10:25:37 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 10:22:35 PM
+1 to both posts, its down to team selection and style...and that comes from Hughes.
Style yes. Selection no. What choices does he really have? If his biggest conundrum is whether Salcido or Baird starts on left back he is not a very busy man that's for sure.
Well let's start at full back...for various reasons he has played 6 players in that position. Wide Midfield...had Davies deserved to play as many games and if so maybe should be on left. Dickson...sorry apart from two games has been rubbish. Gera fecked around with at start of season....all selection stuff.
Well then if the results decided why don't we just not bother going?
Yes we probably won't win but lets be positive and get behind the team.
"The answer shocked me-they all, and I mean out of 20 all 20,said that Mark Hughes is not and never has been the man for Fulham"
That very much reflects my own thought - irrespective of whether we were doing quite well early in the season or poorly as currently. I think it is because it seems likely that he has come just to do what Roy in practice did, ie use us for a couple of seasons before moving on to something better.
With Roy, I had the feeling that he would be with us 'til either he retired or was offered the England job, and that he would become a Fulham man. That was naive given his career record of moving around but it was what I thought. With Hughes I have the impression that he came to us because there was no better offer to get his career back on track after his sacking by Man. City, and he doesn't feel like a Fulham man. And frankly nor would have Jol.
There is also the way the two have treated Ray Lewington: Roy kept him as a key part of the team whereas he seems to have been marginalised under Hughes and I suspect that only the loyalty of MAF has kept him at Fulham at all. Ray may lack what it takes to be a Premiership manager but he's a real Fulham guy.
Obviously I hope Hughes gets the side winning again, and I don't fault his purchases. Everything he says is measured and sensible and I am sure he will strengthen us in January. But I don't feel any bond towards him like I did with both Chris Coleman and Roy - both of whom seemed passionate about our club even if, in Roy's case, that passion didn't go beyond moving away at the offer of a better job.
Quote from: Oakeshott on December 11, 2010, 10:40:58 PM
"The answer shocked me-they all, and I mean out of 20 all 20,said that Mark Hughes is not and never has been the man for Fulham"
That very much reflects my own thought - irrespective of whether we were doing quite well early in the season or poorly as currently. I think it is because it seems likely that he has come just to do what Roy in practice did, ie use us for a couple of seasons before moving on to something better.
With Roy, I had the feeling that he would be with us 'til either he retired or was offered the England job, and that he would become a Fulham man. That was naive given his career record of moving around but it was what I thought. With Hughes I have the impression that he came to us because there was no better offer to get his career back on track after his sacking by Man. City, and he doesn't feel like a Fulham man. And frankly nor would have Jol.
There is also the way the two have treated Ray Lewington: Roy kept him as a key part of the team whereas he seems to have been marginalised under Hughes and I suspect that only the loyalty of MAF has kept him at Fulham at all. Ray may lack what it takes to be a Premiership manager but he's a real Fulham guy.
Obviously I hope Hughes gets the side winning again, and I don't fault his purchases. Everything he says is measured and sensible and I am sure he will strengthen us in January. But I don't feel any bond towards him like I did with both Chris Coleman and Roy - both of whom seemed passionate about our club even if, in Roy's case, that passion didn't go beyond moving away at the offer of a better job.
Very fair points Mr Oakeshott.
...sorry, it annoys me when people presume because I am not happy (an understatement) with the performaces and they roll of the mantra "get behind the team", I do get behind the team, every game, I don't boo, I cheer even the most pathetic excuses of players - no matter what - I give 100%, and usually when we go a goal behind the first voice you will hear is mine singing "Come On Fulham".
Time I saw some return from the pitch, time they got behind me and thousands like me...
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:52:56 PM
...sorry, it annoys me when people presume because I am not happy (an understatement) with the performaces and they roll of the mantra "get behind the team", I do get behind the team, every game, I don't boo, I cheer even the most pathetic excuses of players - no matter what - I give 100%, and usually when we go a goal behind the first voice you will hear is mine singing "Come On Fulham".
Time I saw some return from the pitch, time they got behind me and thousands like me...
Also very fair points Mr LB.
However, has it occurred to you that you may very well be a more talented football supporter than they are players?
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:52:56 PM
...sorry, it annoys me when people presume because I am not happy (an understatement) with the performaces and they roll of the mantra "get behind the team", I do get behind the team, every game, I don't boo, I cheer even the most pathetic excuses of players - no matter what - I give 100%, and usually when we go a goal behind the first voice you will hear is mine singing "Come On Fulham".
Time I saw some return from the pitch, time they got behind me and thousands like me...
Do you really believe the players aren't giving 100%? Just because the results aren't coming doesn't mean theres a lack of effort, missing a target man upfront is what is costing us.
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:52:56 PM
...sorry, it annoys me when people presume because I am not happy (an understatement) with the performaces and they roll of the mantra "get behind the team", I do get behind the team, every game, I don't boo, I cheer even the most pathetic excuses of players - no matter what - I give 100%, and usually when we go a goal behind the first voice you will hear is mine singing "Come On Fulham".
Time I saw some return from the pitch, time they got behind me and thousands like me...
:Sparkyticus:
Yes yes yes yes, agree 100%.
I
do get behind the team- I pay rather too much for a ticket
- I don't boo
- I applaud the players at the end
- I don't call players donkeys/see you next Tuesdays
- I get involved with all the chants (bar the ones that involve getting into 'em and effin em up)
What I won't do is denigrate the finest manager we've ever had, the most successful team we've ever had whilst at the same time hero worshipping a manager who is dragging us into a relegation dog fight.
Oh for fecks sake how fickle are the Hughes out lynch mob? I cant remember such an injury list, and yes just Bobby missing is a massive set back , add the others on top and it's as bad as i remember. So away games under Woy were much better eh? how come our away support is much better this season? As White Witch said earlier, if we are struggling come march then sack him, but i know 100% he will get it right, my only fear is he will get the boot before the transfer window. Calm down dears it's only december .
Fat Fred saying make this thread a sticky . Just to see who is making a plonker of themselves. lets keep this up there, obviously i wont take being wrong if Hughes dosent get the transfer window, but trust me he'll be a good un. And for all you doubters who would you have up front now and think they'll score goals??? Exactly :59:
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
...it doesn't worry me being hung up to dry if I am wrong, it is my opinion and I don't give a toss what people think or what points they want to score from my views.
We still have strikers but the tactics are not giving them any service and there is no plan 'B', now don't wind me up Spence, I am seriously not in the mood...
When Hughes came in he made a big thing about not changing things too much, not trying to fix what wasn't broke, building on the shape created by Hodgson rather than trying to change it overnight. And fair enough, he seemed to do that at first.
But as the weeks have gone by we have got worse and worse at holding our shape. Players are caught out of position over and over. How many times today did Salcido end up on the right so that Pantsil had to come across to LB?
It's Hughes' insistence on trying to get this ageing, disciplined squad, with no decent striker, to play attacking, open football that makes me think he's actually not that good a manager. So sure, yes, I hope he brings in his own style of players in January. Because he doesn't seem to have the wit to realise that he can't impose his style on what we have at the moment.
I'm not saying 'Hughes out', because I don't see what the alternative is. But I'm not happy.
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
And Briggsy, The Mexican, Etuhu, Duff, AJ, Kamara, Davies, Gera all out for periods so far. Roy didn't have an injury for the longest in his squad.
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
Etuhu's been injured, Duffs been struggling with injuries, Murphys been out injured, Kamara's been injured, as has AJ and our bench is exactly full of terrific players in waiting, is it?
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
Your a Tiff reject i'm not bothered what you think, but as i said who would you play up front to score goals? Also please make this a sticky just to prove people like this wrong. :033:
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
And Briggsy, The Mexican, Etuhu, Duff, AJ, Kamara, Davies, Gera all out for periods so far. Roy didn't have an injury for the longest in his squad.
And the Aussie turn coat keeper for the start of the season, but apart from that what did the romans do for us?
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on December 11, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
Your a Tiff reject i'm not bothered what you think, but as i said who would you play up front to score goals? Also please make this a sticky just to prove people like this wrong. :033:
Go on, I'll bite.
Of course, how we define success might differ. If you mean by success, 'claw our way desperately to lower mid table survival', I'm not interested. I'd define it by matching or beating last season's 12th (for the sake of argument, let's say that not having to play our way to a European final compensates some what for having a marginally older side).
There are injury lists..all at the same time....or injurys during the season.at no time did I say we had no injurys.
Quote from: FulhamFan2 on December 11, 2010, 10:58:58 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:52:56 PM
...sorry, it annoys me when people presume because I am not happy (an understatement) with the performaces and they roll of the mantra "get behind the team", I do get behind the team, every game, I don't boo, I cheer even the most pathetic excuses of players - no matter what - I give 100%, and usually when we go a goal behind the first voice you will hear is mine singing "Come On Fulham".
Time I saw some return from the pitch, time they got behind me and thousands like me...
Do you really believe the players aren't giving 100%? Just because the results aren't coming doesn't mean theres a lack of effort, missing a target man upfront is what is costing us.
I think what is costing us more is playing as if we have got a target man upfront. A couple of bursts of the Arsenal performance where the ball was glued to the grass and we would be three points better off tonight.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 11, 2010, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on December 11, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
Your a Tiff reject i'm not bothered what you think, but as i said who would you play up front to score goals? Also please make this a sticky just to prove people like this wrong. :033:
Go on, I'll bite.
Of course, how we define success might differ. If you mean by success, 'claw our way desperately to lower mid table survival', I'm not interested. I'd define it by matching or beating last season's 12th (for the sake of argument, let's say that not having to play our way to a European final compensates some what for having a marginally older side).
Still not saying who your all conqering front line is :046:
As for who to play up front, for a start I would not be playing his style and try to get back to the basics we have done over the last two years. So AJ/DK/ZG/CD could fit in.
Quote from: The Bronsons on December 11, 2010, 11:11:08 PM
When Hughes came in he made a big thing about not changing things too much, not trying to fix what wasn't broke, building on the shape created by Hodgson rather than trying to change it overnight. And fair enough, he seemed to do that at first.
But as the weeks have gone by we have got worse and worse at holding our shape. Players are caught out of position over and over. How many times today did Salcido end up on the right so that Pantsil had to come across to LB?
It's Hughes' insistence on trying to get this ageing, disciplined squad, with no decent striker, to play attacking, open football that makes me think he's actually not that good a manager. So sure, yes, I hope he brings in his own style of players in January. Because he doesn't seem to have the wit to realise that he can't impose his style on what we have at the moment.
I'm not saying 'Hughes out', because I don't see what the alternative is. But I'm not happy.
I agree totally. Robbie Savage was on Five Live this evening saying that Hughes was a great Manager for him, but he liked players to be athletes. A truly great Manager would get the best out of the existing players by using suitable tactics. Hughes has a well tried set of tactics that worked for him in the past, but need a certain type of player to pull off. So we will have to give him until end of February (in my opinion) to see who he signs in January and whether they make any difference. COYWs.
Sunderland are 6th W5 D9 L3 GD3
Fulham 17th W2 D10 L5 GD-4
Not a massive difference in form but separated by 11 places. For what it's worth I thought AJ coming on at halftime changed things he started to give their defenders problems and when EJ arrived things started going our way, he looks stronger and won a fair few in the air The pair do look like they have a bit of chemistry, I'd like to see us start with them.
Last season was in reality a bit of a blip for use. Wroy wasn't interested in the Europa to begin with and the teams we played didn't do their homework. Zamora found the form very few of us believed he had and lets face it Gera did a lot to make Bobby look great.
For those who want Hughes out, a question. Who would you bring in?
Quote from: CULTUREVULTURE on December 11, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: WHITEwitch on December 11, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
Not disagreeing it was rubbish/disappointing/dismal etc. Just disagreeing with why. I'm just a bit surprised that Hughes is being made the scapegoat for lack of investment in an ageing squad and a very late decision on his appointment.
I don't think looking at reality is blind optimism.
If he makes some purchases in January and gets some money to do it but still doesn't get results by March/April then I will want to know what he is doing. Until then I don't see what he could do differently - looking at what was on the bench today didnt inspire me. Folk will suggest bringing in some youngsters but why frighten them to death at Anfield and maybe set them back in confidence.
That all makes perfect sense.
But there's something wrong. Hughes doesn't feel right. His Welsh mafia coaching staff doesn't feel right. They just don't seem like a good fit with Fulham. I can't fully articulate why or how but after 32 years supporting the club these guys just don't feel right.
While I feel your pain and right I now I agree with you, I think it is a bit insensitive to call them the 'Welsh mafia', how about just calling them his coaching staff.
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
Last years injury list:
AJ
Dempsey
Etuhu
Gera
Murphy
PK
BZ
Duff
Davies
Hangeland
Pantsil
Kamara
Did I miss anyone?
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
And Briggsy, The Mexican, Etuhu, Duff, AJ, Kamara, Davies, Gera all out for periods so far. Roy didn't have an injury for the longest in his squad.
Well sort of, see my last post. He had virtually no injuries when we finished 7th two seasons ago but he had loads of injuries last year and 50 match schedule to boot.
Quote from: RidgeRider on December 12, 2010, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: finnster01 on December 11, 2010, 11:12:19 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 11, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
" I cant remember such an injury list,"
Right so that's bobby,dembele,hellache,senderos and..three of them had nothing to do with last season...so why are the team poor this year...bobby not being on the pitch does not explain the all round individual poor performances.
And Briggsy, The Mexican, Etuhu, Duff, AJ, Kamara, Davies, Gera all out for periods so far. Roy didn't have an injury for the longest in his squad.
Well sort of, see my last post. He had virtually no injuries when we finished 7th two seasons ago...
That was exactly my point. How many injuries did Roy have to deal with in his first half of his reign? I rest my case.
1/ Roy had rubbish results at the start
2/ Our squad played well in the Europa which required one up front and 10 players behind the ball. It didn't and doesn't work in the Prem. So stop comparing the two.
3/ To compare the injury list this season to anything we had before is silly. Our ageing squad are not becoming younger. The lack if playing the same side because of injury is showing
4/ I am loving the way some supporters are having a go at others for being negative. I have had that thrown at me by stupid ignorant fans that most supported,so welcome to my World.
5/ If Hughes goes who is going to change this side around without spending money. I couldn't care less that the spoilt fans don't have a relationship with Hughes. If they want to sleep with him and buy him flowers then fine. But I would prefer he does a job first.
6/ It is a concern that under Hughes we cannot start a blimmin game unril the second half.
7/ We DID play ok and could have scored in the second half of most games but have NO forwards.
8/ AJ needs a forward to play alongside. Taking Kamara off and bringing on AJ was pointless. The poor EJ is better in five minutes alongside another forward than Kamara was in the first half.
9/ If Jol or anyone came in now I would still say we need the same improvements.
10/ I said when Hughes took over it will be a struggle because of our poor and old squad. I blamed Roy for jumping ship and leaving shite behind. But oh no I was told we are Europa runners up and what a great side it was. Well HUGHES HASN'T MADE IT INTO A BAD SIDE. He just wanted to play without 11 players defending. Ironically that was his first mistake. We have no forwards who are worthy of the name. I still would stick with Hughes. I don't want a relationship with him.But then I never wanted a relationship with the overloved Roy either. I just want a team that works.
Just my 2 bob, but I wonder if RH would have brought more than 3 players in during him remaining period pre season? I doubt it. he would have made the most with the squad from last season, his tactics however in my view would have seen us turn in a few better results so far, ( the Team for a start would have understood what was required). I was one in the camp a bit pi55ed when RH decided to up sticks, i was also one of those that whilst having a small reservation of MH, (simply as I couldn't see him being a Fulham man), I was in admiration of the guy believing maybe we had upped our game with regard to his appointment.....from what I saw today we have seen loads of games over the years that were similar but they do seem to be coming thick and fast now and i have to agree with others and suggest a bit of a pattern is setting in here and whilst it is frustrating to have to say it I imagine that we will struggle to improve from this point. Fat is we don't simply lack a striker...we have several already, but trying to find one good enough to be better on paper than we have is not going to be cheap, we don't seem to attack the flanks to cross as easily as we did last season so maybe a midfielder too???, its no good telling Etuhu to go on a run as from what I have seen the gap behind could be exploited by a pub side. Defensively we seem as solid as last season but if we are not attacking we are bound to spend more time defending and that seems more or less why we are conceding goals albeit not as many as we might if the back four and schwarz wer'nt as good as they are.....in summary there is something wrong with the way this Team are playing and that at the end of the day is wholly down to Mr Hughes. :046:
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on December 12, 2010, 12:00:56 AM
Sunderland are 6th W5 D9 L3 GD3
Fulham 17th W2 D10 L5 GD-4
Not a massive difference in form but separated by 11 places. For what it's worth I thought AJ coming on at halftime changed things he started to give their defenders problems and when EJ arrived things started going our way, he looks stronger and won a fair few in the air The pair do look like they have a bit of chemistry, I'd like to see us start with them.
Last season was in reality a bit of a blip for use. Wroy wasn't interested in the Europa to begin with and the teams we played didn't do their homework. Zamora found the form very few of us believed he had and lets face it Gera did a lot to make Bobby look great.
For those who want Hughes out, a question. Who would you bring in?
Sorry, you cant possibly be saying the Europa run was simply a result of the teams we played not doing their homework???
Woah I go away for an evening and this thread turns to fisticuffs!
Here are some stats for you:
- We've already kept more clean sheets so far this season (5) than we did at this point last season (4) and one less than our best season ever two years ago (6). And much more than in '06 and '07 (2 in each).
- We've also scored more (16) than we did by this time in '08 (13) and conceded 8 more (20;12). Last year we scored 4 more goals (20) by this time and conceded 3 less (18) [FWIW 6, or nearly 1/3, of those goals scored came from just two games]
- Lastly, according to physioroom we've had 3 more different players injured so far this season (15) than at this point last (12), 6 more than in '08 (9) and 5 more than in '07 (10)
And
ImperialWhite, why the underlining of my name? Did I (finally) make a salient point?
There have been a number of issues:
- New manager, squad need to get used to him.
- Changing tactics, squad need to get used to them.
- Injuries.
- Relatively (ahem) mature players who aren't getting any younger.
Is it too early for the old "Hughes Out" scenario?
Probably... Who would come in his stead? And regardless of who, he will inherit the same situation... So lets see what the January window brings in.
Had one of the numerous chances we had against Sunderland gone in and we picked up the points, would this have been such a hotly debated post?
On the one hand we didn't play too badly at times, and on balance with some luck should have won.
On the other hand it is a worry that we are failing to pick off sides at home who should be viewed as "beatable". A few weeks ago, looking forward, it looked like a decent run of home games but having failed to win any of them so far the doubts are creeping in.
I dunno what to think really. I'm gonna sleep on it.
I'm still in the"lets see who comes in & who go's out in Jan" camp,but I am concerned.The thing for me is we have no strikers,AJ may never get his form back,EJ no killer instinct at all-we need 2 on form strikers,we need goals,we have everything else,we are defending well as a team,so it's goals we need,we getting player who can score a few and we will be ok :clap_hands:
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
...I don't give a stuff about liverpool, it is my Fulham that is suffering.
I have heard and understood all the excuses - but I still fail to understand why 95% of our Europa campaign squad have suddenly lost the ability to play as a team...
Zamora was the key to how they functioned. The back still works. The mid still works until it gets within striking distance. We create plenty of chances but the missing link is the front. Johnson is nothing without Zamora. Dembele looked like he might fill the gap 75% but he is out. Kamara just isnt up to it.
Also worth pointing out that last season started in July, finished in June (?) 60+ games and has taken its toll. Duff looked knackered (not just injured) playing for Ireland.
Add that to what's been said here and its another factor. I honestly believe RH might well have taken us down - over loyal to those who served well but are over the hill.
I'm optimistic about Hughes but over here in Ireland I admit I see nothing like as much as ye do. Imagine IF Bellamy & Santa Cruz had been snaffled in the transfer window? I don't think we'd be anywhere near where we are.
Great board by the way
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:52:56 PM
...sorry, it annoys me when people presume because I am not happy (an understatement) with the performaces and they roll of the mantra "get behind the team", I do get behind the team, every game, I don't boo, I cheer even the most pathetic excuses of players - no matter what - I give 100%, and usually when we go a goal behind the first voice you will hear is mine singing "Come On Fulham".
Time I saw some return from the pitch, time they got behind me and thousands like me...
why is it that when I question the manager and his piss poor tactical approach to the game that I get accused of 'not getting behind the team' but others call our players 'crap' and 'not good enough' but never get called out?
8th best record for goals conceded, so it's clear that the defence is working. Our problems are up front and we need a midfielder. How different would the tune be now if BZ and Dembele had been fit? What I do agree with is that we need younger blood at Fulham, yet our academy and reserves are constantly overlooked. Why not give the young forwards a chance? They cant do any worse than our forwards are doing now can they? I also believe that AJ was a big mistake for us.
But anyone talking about us being relegated is talking out of their hat. A couple of wins will do wonders for confidence in the team and suddenly we are up and running again and everyone in the Hammersmith End and all around the ground will be cheering again. Relegation this season? Not as long as we all have holes up our rrr ses. We are far better than our current league placing is suggesting. Watch it all change after the Jan transfer window. MH was not given enough time to settle in, buy players and structure the team properly. Once Jan passes, we will know if he has to go by Feb the latest. I just have a sneaky feeling that he will turn it all around.
Nothing to add.. just a cracking thread..
This is pointless, Mark Hughes is our manager, a manager, most people believed, was the best appointed manager ever at Fulham and his appointment showed intent for moving up in the future ..................
So there is a set back, are we not used to those ???? He has alot of pride and he will do us proud, we only need to support him and the team ........
booing is not an option ...................well it should not be as we will only make it harder for him and demoralise the team
Until we stop thinking it is all Hughes and nothing to do with the squad. 7 wins in the Prem all Year.
Until we stop thinking that the odd signing will make us anything but average.
We will always expect too much. Let us just hope to survive this season.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 12, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
We will always expect too much. Let us just hope to survive this season.
Interesting observation.
We have been spoilt for the last two seasons, relative to what we have usually achieved, and the expecation levels have risen accordingly.
Could it be that the natural order of things are being re-established, and a good season for us is one where we avoid relegation?
I hope we have more in us than that, but in all honesty are we really going to be anything other than a selling club where mid-table is good and the odd decent cup run is all we will ever get to cheer about?
Devil's advocate...
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 12, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
Until we stop thinking it is all Hughes and nothing to do with the squad. 7 wins in the Prem all Year.
Until we stop thinking that the odd signing will make us anything but average.
We will always expect too much. Let us just hope to survive this season.
It isn't all Hughes at all, but he has massively contributed to the shower of sh*** that we saw on Sat.
Thought to maybe lighten it up......... for now he's our manager, and just as when sanchez was fu3-1n it up we should still be singing COYW :clap_hands: as difficult as it is, ones thing for sure MOST of the squad are "fulham" people having been here a while and you just gotta see Brede after a defeat to see that guys commitment.....its still better than hartlepool away>>>I'm livin the dream till that day comes again.. :57: :57: :57:
Quote from: WHITEwitch on December 12, 2010, 10:30:03 AM
Quote from: LBNo11 on December 11, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
...I don't give a stuff about liverpool, it is my Fulham that is suffering.
I have heard and understood all the excuses - but I still fail to understand why 95% of our Europa campaign squad have suddenly lost the ability to play as a team...
Zamora was the key to how they functioned. The back still works. The mid still works until it gets within striking distance. We create plenty of chances but the missing link is the front. Johnson is nothing without Zamora. Dembele looked like he might fill the gap 75% but he is out. Kamara just isnt up to it.
However there is the school of thought that says the absence of AJ was the making of Zamorra.
Regardless of our ancient squad Hughes has only managed two wins this season - both against teams in the relegation zone.
Yes Hughes was an exciting prospect- bar Man city he has a good track record but someone of his stature should be doing better regardless of the squad.
We are halfway through the season and yet there is no indication of strategy or tactics apart from a more "attacking/direct" approach. The fans are clueless and so are the players.
We have had injuries but this is not an excuse or the constant changes to the back 4 and the attack. Hodgson achieved stability by playing the same side week in week out regardless of individual errors.
We've got an extremely tough run in so it's no use hoping that BZ will save us and we have a good transfer window.
I repeat myself from earlier. I am not calling for Hughes head- I just want to see a chink of light and something to cling to.
3 points at West Ham would be a start - if we fail here then perhaps all you "believers" will see it from a "doubters" perspective.
Feel free to name and shame me if we finish comfy mid table but be sure to turn the lights off if Arsenal celebrate their title win by relegating us on the last day.
Quote from: Jimpav on December 12, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
Regardless of our ancient squad Hughes has only managed two wins this season - both against teams in the relegation zone.
Yes Hughes was an exciting prospect- bar Man city he has a good track record but someone of his stature should be doing better regardless of the squad.
We are halfway through the season and yet there is no indication of strategy or tactics apart from a more "attacking/direct" approach. The fans are clueless and so are the players.
We have had injuries but this is not an excuse or the constant changes to the back 4 and the attack. Hodgson achieved stability by playing the same side week in week out regardless of individual errors.
We've got an extremely tough run in so it's no use hoping that BZ will save us and we have a good transfer window.
I repeat myself from earlier. I am not calling for Hughes head- I just want to see a chink of light and something to cling to.
3 points at West Ham would be a start - if we fail here then perhaps all you "believers" will see it from a "doubters" perspective.
Feel free to name and shame me if we finish comfy mid table but be sure to turn the lights off if Arsenal celebrate their title win by relegating us on the last day.
Even as a firm doubter, I know that we will beat West Ham.
A win against West Ham can't even be considered as a start, or turning the corner, or whatever. It's a must win. It's must win, and it should be convincing. They've managed no wins, and only 3 draws, away. They've only scored 4 times away, while conceding 15.
In my opinion it's beat West Ham to save Hughes' job. There's no way his position is safe without the 3pts (if he can't manage a win against West Ham he can't be trusted to spend anymore money).
Not read the whole thread (2 young children running around with their mum ill in bed is taking up all my time) I am typing as an outsider really I've only seen the Stoke game in the Carling Cup Live but I am prepared to give MH a chance until this time next season providing we don't get relegated
As I posted in another thread on this last week his record as a manager is good he needs time and some lucky breaks, however I do respect the opinions of those that have watchd us week in week out and are concerned by Hughes management
General bottom line is 'don't like him but we'd be idiots to get shot of him now, plus he's had a poo run of luck with injuries' - which pretty well sums up my thoughts at this juncture.
However, he muct be backed heavily in January - blame whoever you like but we had a paper-thin squad at the start of the season and we've lost too many to injuries. There's nobody who could have emulated the last 2 seasons with the players we've had missing. Which doesn't mean Hughes is doing a great job, just that he's had poo luck.
Quote from: ImperialWhite on December 12, 2010, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: Jimpav on December 12, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
Regardless of our ancient squad Hughes has only managed two wins this season - both against teams in the relegation zone.
Yes Hughes was an exciting prospect- bar Man city he has a good track record but someone of his stature should be doing better regardless of the squad.
We are halfway through the season and yet there is no indication of strategy or tactics apart from a more "attacking/direct" approach. The fans are clueless and so are the players.
We have had injuries but this is not an excuse or the constant changes to the back 4 and the attack. Hodgson achieved stability by playing the same side week in week out regardless of individual errors.
We've got an extremely tough run in so it's no use hoping that BZ will save us and we have a good transfer window.
I repeat myself from earlier. I am not calling for Hughes head- I just want to see a chink of light and something to cling to.
3 points at West Ham would be a start - if we fail here then perhaps all you "believers" will see it from a "doubters" perspective.
Feel free to name and shame me if we finish comfy mid table but be sure to turn the lights off if Arsenal celebrate their title win by relegating us on the last day.
Even as a firm doubter, I know that we will beat West Ham.
A win against West Ham can't even be considered as a start, or turning the corner, or whatever. It's a must win. It's must win, and it should be convincing. They've managed no wins, and only 3 draws, away. They've only scored 4 times away, while conceding 15.
In my opinion it's beat West Ham to save Hughes' job. There's no way his position is safe without the 3pts (if he can't manage a win against West Ham he can't be trusted to spend anymore money).
completely agree, losing to West Ham is not an option. I expect a decent performance against Liverpool next week too, since they are hot and cold.
