All huff and puff with no final product....
I really rated him at first but I'm leaning at Aina at left back now, Antonee works so hard and gets up and down the wing BUT
Both add great value to the team. A selection dilemma I'm more than happy to have
On one hand, I kind of think Robinson is terrible. He is very unpolished on the ball and teams leave him open for a reason. His defense is scattered and his athleticism bails him out.
On the other, he kind of brings out the best in Lookman. The threat of an overlap does help free Lookman up to cut inside or run at guys.
Overall, I am not impressed with Robinson. I am surprised Bryan cant get time over him. Bryan is more polished, albeit less athletic.
I think Parker will keep him starting, but I honestly wouldnt mind him on the bench. He is one of the worst LB/LWBs in the league.
No Bryan fits that category as he cannot defend
I have no idea of Scotts thinking but we get less crosses in the box with Robinson (at least I think we do). everything else aside, I put him (sadly) in front of Joe
Totally agree with the OP but I cling to the hope that he can be coached into crossing the ball properly. He is a very raw talent.
He wasn't getting the ball passed to him during his many runs in the first half, he does defend well
Quote from: fancyfeet4 on February 20, 2021, 11:03:45 PM
On one hand, I kind of think Robinson is terrible. He is very unpolished on the ball and teams leave him open for a reason. His defense is scattered and his athleticism bails him out.
On the other, he kind of brings out the best in Lookman. The threat of an overlap does help free Lookman up to cut inside or run at guys.
Overall, I am not impressed with Robinson. I am surprised Bryan cant get time over him. Bryan is more polished, albeit less athletic.
I think Parker will keep him starting, but I honestly wouldnt mind him on the bench. He is one of the worst LB/LWBs in the league.
One of the worst in the league? His first season at this level and defensively he's been mostly superb? If the big issue is his crossing and ball control then that's great news because those things can be coached much easier than defensive awareness. I'm sure that the coaching team are aware it's an area to improve, he literally is one of the best value signings we'll make over the last 10 years because we could sell him now for a profit and he's going to get much better and worth even more.
Quote from: perry geyton on February 20, 2021, 10:52:43 PM
All huff and puff with no final product....
I really rated him at first but I'm leaning at Aina at left back now, Antonee works so hard and gets up and down the wing BUT
Thought he had a good game today. Much more controlled than in past appearances. Was getting reckless with his passing and tackling, time on the bench has hopefully brought him back with a more measured approach. That being said, I think the club is best with Aina and Tete as the FB's.
He definately has potential but I'm not sure he has the brains for the Killer ball, hopefully he works on that and improves,
Joe for me sadly is definately not good enough at this level in my opinion
I was going to make a thread on this, but since one has already been created, I'll post here.
Does anyone else prefer Bryan to Robinson at left back? I really don't think Robinson brings anything to the table. I think he's still too raw. His touch and control is not great. Anytime he gets the ball, I feel like his mind is moving faster than his feet and he just stumbles with the ball at this feet. Give me Joe Bryan at left back any day over Robinson, or even Aina over him too.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 20, 2021, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: fancyfeet4 on February 20, 2021, 11:03:45 PM
On one hand, I kind of think Robinson is terrible. He is very unpolished on the ball and teams leave him open for a reason. His defense is scattered and his athleticism bails him out.
On the other, he kind of brings out the best in Lookman. The threat of an overlap does help free Lookman up to cut inside or run at guys.
Overall, I am not impressed with Robinson. I am surprised Bryan cant get time over him. Bryan is more polished, albeit less athletic.
I think Parker will keep him starting, but I honestly wouldnt mind him on the bench. He is one of the worst LB/LWBs in the league.
One of the worst in the league? His first season at this level and defensively he's been mostly superb? If the big issue is his crossing and ball control then that's great news because those things can be coached much easier than defensive awareness. I'm sure that the coaching team are aware it's an area to improve, he literally is one of the best value signings we'll make over the last 10 years because we could sell him now for a profit and he's going to get much better and worth even more.
True that for what we paid for him, he's currently now in today's over inflated market an 8 million pound center back
i think he looks the weak link . lots of energy but his heading is bad and his crossing horrendous
I cannot believe theres a forum complaining about Robinson, I love this guy, I really think he has the potential to make it at a top club! I see a young Andrew Robertson, which is funny as their both A.R. again funny enough watching matches of hull city with my dad we would say exactly the same, he needs to work on that final touch but look at Robertson's final touch now! If I remember properly Robertson was snapped up by liverpool for 9 mill, I'd only take 20 for Robinson right now, yes he is a bit unpolished but the man works hard and I was kinda happy he got his red card, shows the guys got grit too... something I still feel the 'polished' Robertson, and all of the liverpool team right now tbh, lack.
Very surprised hes getting stick! For 2 mill this guys our big profit!
I wish to add, someone else has mentioned it but I wish to stress, mentoring and improving a person's ability to cross the ball is much easier to teach then to mentality to sniff out danger and killer movement. I'd love to see Robinson swiftly moving forward in a white shirt for years to come! Hopefully in the prem! COYW
Quote from: Willham on February 21, 2021, 12:42:46 AM
I cannot believe theres a forum complaining about Robinson, I love this guy, I really think he has the potential to make it at a top club! I see a young Andrew Robertson, which is funny as their both A.R. again funny enough watching matches of hull city with my dad we would say exactly the same, he needs to work on that final touch but look at Robertson's final touch now! If I remember properly Robertson was snapped up by liverpool for 9 mill, I'd only take 20 for Robinson right now, yes he is a bit unpolished but the man works hard and I was kinda happy he got his red card, shows the guys got grit too... something I still feel the 'polished' Robertson, and all of the liverpool team right now tbh, lack.
Very surprised hes getting stick! For 2 mill this guys our big profit!
He's getting criticized cos his final balls woefull, no harm in it he's just been frustrating to watch, not saying he doesn't have potential Either though,
Hopefully he improves in that department
Quote from: VamosFFC on February 20, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
I was going to make a thread on this, but since one has already been created, I'll post here.
Does anyone else prefer Bryan to Robinson at left back? I really don't think Robinson brings anything to the table. I think he's still too raw. His touch and control is not great. Anytime he gets the ball, I feel like his mind is moving faster than his feet and he just stumbles with the ball at this feet. Give me Joe Bryan at left back any day over Robinson, or even Aina over him too.
Yes I prefer Bryan over Robinson too (but Aina over both of them).
Robinson is nowhere near good enough for the Premier League IMO. He's ok (but not great) defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward. It's all about mindless runs with no plan. We often lose possession when he gets the ball. His passing is horrible. His reading of the game is shockingly poor at this level. His crosses are non-league standard. There's a reason his teammates have started to ignore his runs. They have learned that passing the balls to him is usually a wasted opportunity.
His work rate and pace is very good but that's about it. I personally don't think he is better than Championship level at best. At least not yet.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on February 21, 2021, 12:55:57 AM
Quote from: VamosFFC on February 20, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
I was going to make a thread on this, but since one has already been created, I'll post here.
Does anyone else prefer Bryan to Robinson at left back? I really don't think Robinson brings anything to the table. I think he's still too raw. His touch and control is not great. Anytime he gets the ball, I feel like his mind is moving faster than his feet and he just stumbles with the ball at this feet. Give me Joe Bryan at left back any day over Robinson, or even Aina over him too.
Yes I prefer Bryan over Robinson too (but Aina over both of them).
Robinson is nowhere near good enough for the Premier League IMO. He's ok (but not great) defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward. It's all about mindless runs with no plan. We often lose possession when he gets the ball. His passing is horrible. His reading of the game is shockingly poor at this level. His crosses are non-league standard. There's a reason his teammates have started to ignore his runs. They have learned that passing the balls to him is usually a wasted opportunity.
His work rate and pace is very good but that's about it. I personally don't think he is better than Championship level at best. At least not yet.
There's a reason we concede a lot less goals nowadays and having Robinson over Bryan is one of the biggest ones. Joe is great in the championship and as a squad player at this level, but he's got some of the worst positional awareness I've ever seen. Teams targeted him early on in the season, and the penalty he gave away against Leeds was a prime reason why he's not good enough at this level because he gets caught ball watching and loses his man. Defensively and physically, Robinson is miles ahead and like I said above, it's much easier to coach the technical aspects of improving his crossing etc rather than teaching him how to defend first and foremost. It's also his first season at this level and personally I think he's done a pretty good job, aside from his crossing
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 21, 2021, 01:40:16 AM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on February 21, 2021, 12:55:57 AM
Quote from: VamosFFC on February 20, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
I was going to make a thread on this, but since one has already been created, I'll post here.
Does anyone else prefer Bryan to Robinson at left back? I really don't think Robinson brings anything to the table. I think he's still too raw. His touch and control is not great. Anytime he gets the ball, I feel like his mind is moving faster than his feet and he just stumbles with the ball at this feet. Give me Joe Bryan at left back any day over Robinson, or even Aina over him too.
Yes I prefer Bryan over Robinson too (but Aina over both of them).
Robinson is nowhere near good enough for the Premier League IMO. He's ok (but not great) defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward. It's all about mindless runs with no plan. We often lose possession when he gets the ball. His passing is horrible. His reading of the game is shockingly poor at this level. His crosses are non-league standard. There's a reason his teammates have started to ignore his runs. They have learned that passing the balls to him is usually a wasted opportunity.
His work rate and pace is very good but that's about it. I personally don't think he is better than Championship level at best. At least not yet.
There's a reason we concede a lot less goals nowadays and having Robinson over Bryan is one of the biggest ones. Joe is great in the championship and as a squad player at this level, but he's got some of the worst positional awareness I've ever seen. Teams targeted him early on in the season, and the penalty he gave away against Leeds was a prime reason why he's not good enough at this level because he gets caught ball watching and loses his man. Defensively and physically, Robinson is miles ahead and like I said above, it's much easier to coach the technical aspects of improving his crossing etc rather than teaching him how to defend first and foremost. It's also his first season at this level and personally I think he's done a pretty good job, aside from his crossing
You say Robinson is miles ahead of Bryan, but I have to respectfully disagree. Going off overall quality as a footballer, Bryan's surpasses Robinson easily. Also, I really don't think Bryan is a liability at leftback. Sure, he goes about defending differently than Robinson, but he's still a quality defender, and I think he can compete in this league. I think the only reason Parker goes with Robinson is because of his athleticism and that's it.
Regarding Robinson's technical aspects, he obviously isn't learning from the coaching and taking it in. That's to say if he even is getting extra coaching. Or, he's just banking on his athleticism to bail him out of situations and doesn't think he needs to improve.
No way Bryan is better than Robinson. Joe has never been able to defend, he always turns his back when opposition try to cross it in. Robinson doesn't let them cross it in.
I like Aina on the left and Tete on the right personally.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 21, 2021, 01:40:16 AM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on February 21, 2021, 12:55:57 AM
Quote from: VamosFFC on February 20, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
I was going to make a thread on this, but since one has already been created, I'll post here.
Does anyone else prefer Bryan to Robinson at left back? I really don't think Robinson brings anything to the table. I think he's still too raw. His touch and control is not great. Anytime he gets the ball, I feel like his mind is moving faster than his feet and he just stumbles with the ball at this feet. Give me Joe Bryan at left back any day over Robinson, or even Aina over him too.
Yes I prefer Bryan over Robinson too (but Aina over both of them).
Robinson is nowhere near good enough for the Premier League IMO. He's ok (but not great) defensively but offers absolutely nothing going forward. It's all about mindless runs with no plan. We often lose possession when he gets the ball. His passing is horrible. His reading of the game is shockingly poor at this level. His crosses are non-league standard. There's a reason his teammates have started to ignore his runs. They have learned that passing the balls to him is usually a wasted opportunity.
His work rate and pace is very good but that's about it. I personally don't think he is better than Championship level at best. At least not yet.
There's a reason we concede a lot less goals nowadays and having Robinson over Bryan is one of the biggest ones. Joe is great in the championship and as a squad player at this level, but he's got some of the worst positional awareness I've ever seen. Teams targeted him early on in the season, and the penalty he gave away against Leeds was a prime reason why he's not good enough at this level because he gets caught ball watching and loses his man. Defensively and physically, Robinson is miles ahead and like I said above, it's much easier to coach the technical aspects of improving his crossing etc rather than teaching him how to defend first and foremost. It's also his first season at this level and personally I think he's done a pretty good job, aside from his crossing
Totally agree. Robinson has the potential at this level with fantastic pace. Bryan is a good back up, and possesses some quality for crossing. But, his positional sense in defending is not great. Aina is better than both of them though....
Aina is our best LB at this current moment.
Robinson has the potential, but has also backed it up with solid performances in his first season at this level.
Bryan has failed to impress in both PL seasons. I do expect him to leave this summer.
We also have Steve Sess/Opoku if we end up going down, as backup to Robinson.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on February 20, 2021, 11:09:54 PM
I have no idea of Scotts thinking but we get less crosses in the box with Robinson (at least I think we do). everything else aside, I put him (sadly) in front of Joe
Interestingly, in Robinson's last proper run of games in the team, there was a statistic on tv which stated that most of our attacking chances came through him during the system. Think it was the Liverpool game.
I think our full backs are very strong in ability and depth. Have had a few mates (arsenal and Leeds) who said they'd both take our full backs if we were to go down.
Bryan isn't a good enough defender for this level. His inability to stay tight to his man and win tackles/blocks 1 on 1 has consistently been a killer for us.
Robinson is a much better defender (even with the odd mistake), and his athleticism is very valuable in stretching the pitch. But he's definitely our weakest regular starter technically.
Just not been the same since the red card , but from his earlier performances we know he's got it . I like the lad.
His crossing and general technical ability seems limited and I'm sceptical whether he can ever get them to the level you expect from a first XI player in the PL
However, Fredericks became a PL full back despite not being able to cross and not having any real skill, so there's evidently a niche if you can find it in the right setup
Also don't think with Lookman does him any favours... Mola don't pass
Robinson is very iffy defensively. If you have two minutes, watch the second goal v west brom. I'd be angry if my u16s did that. He's been diving in a lot too, did it v spurs about 3 times that almost cost us. I like him and think at the moment he's unpolished so with a huge load of potential. Bryan's crossing and awareness are way better imo. However in a four at the back, Aina is streets ahead at LB
Quote from: Jim© on February 21, 2021, 11:27:51 AM
Robinson is very iffy defensively. If you have two minutes, watch the second goal v west brom. I'd be angry if my u16s did that. He's been diving in a lot too, did it v spurs about 3 times that almost cost us. I like him and think at the moment he's unpolished so with a huge load of potential. Bryan's crossing and awareness are way better imo. However in a four at the back, Aina is streets ahead at LB
Just watched the WBA goal, Robinson is nowhere to be seen and just jogs around not tracking back to his zone whatsoever. That, plus the red card - can see why he was dropped for a couple of games.
He looks almost up to the level of a Premier League player, just missing that ability to make a key pass. Definitely would have him over Bryan whose defensive game wasn't up to scratch in the Championship, remember how it seemed like 80% of goals came down our left hand side last season. At least that isn't happening this campaign.
Quote from: Statto on February 21, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
His crossing and general technical ability seems limited and I'm sceptical whether he can ever get them to the level you expect from a first XI player in the PL
However, Fredericks became a PL full back despite not being able to cross and not having any real skill, so there's evidently a niche if you can find it in the right setup
Also don't think with Lookman does him any favours... Mola don't pass
+1 from me.
He's too reliant on his raw athleticism and needs to develop a more technical aspect to his game. He lacks finesse. How many crosses of his have found a team mate this season? I'd dare say you could count them on one hand.
Aina should be starting on the left and Tete on the right.
Quote from: hopper on February 21, 2021, 11:46:09 AM
Quote from: Jim© on February 21, 2021, 11:27:51 AM
Robinson is very iffy defensively. If you have two minutes, watch the second goal v west brom. I'd be angry if my u16s did that. He's been diving in a lot too, did it v spurs about 3 times that almost cost us. I like him and think at the moment he's unpolished so with a huge load of potential. Bryan's crossing and awareness are way better imo. However in a four at the back, Aina is streets ahead at LB
Just watched the WBA goal, Robinson is nowhere to be seen and just jogs around not tracking back to his zone whatsoever. That, plus the red card - can see why he was dropped for a couple of games.
He looks almost up to the level of a Premier League player, just missing that ability to make a key pass. Definitely would have him over Bryan whose defensive game wasn't up to scratch in the Championship, remember how it seemed like 80% of goals came down our left hand side last season. At least that isn't happening this campaign.
I agree that Bryan isn't good enough defensively for the Premier League but he was one of the best left backs in the Championship. The reason we conceded lots of goals down our left was more because of Ream than Bryan.
Even with his shortcomings I would still prefer Bryan's footballing skills and reading of the game over Robinson's aimless Forrest Gump routine down the left when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch. Robinson seems to lack any awareness of what's happeing around him and I doubt that's something that can be coached.
Neither of them are good enough for the Premier League really so it's a good thing we have Aina.
Both Bryan and Robinson can do a solid job for us next season if we're relegated though, which is a good thing because Aina will be gone.
He has a head like a fifty pence piece, but I do like him. He has time on his side, and if a club like AC Milan (even in their current, lesser state) wanted him then he has potential in my eyes.
Quote from: FFC In Oz on February 21, 2021, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: Statto on February 21, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
His crossing and general technical ability seems limited and I'm sceptical whether he can ever get them to the level you expect from a first XI player in the PL
However, Fredericks became a PL full back despite not being able to cross and not having any real skill, so there's evidently a niche if you can find it in the right setup
Also don't think with Lookman does him any favours... Mola don't pass
+1 from me.
He's too reliant on his raw athleticism and needs to develop a more technical aspect to his game. He lacks finesse. How many crosses of his have found a team mate this season? I'd dare say you could count them on one hand.
Aina should be starting on the left and Tete on the right.
Fredericks is a good comparison. Both have the speed and athleticism to make up for their often poor positioning. Neither are effective crossers of the ball. The one thing Fred does/did better is time his runs. Robinson is constantly forced to stop or slow down to collect passes because he is taking off at full tilt before the passer is prepared to put it out to him. Completely negates his pace doing this.
Quote from: Statto on February 21, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
His crossing and general technical ability seems limited and I'm sceptical whether he can ever get them to the level you expect from a first XI player in the PL
However, Fredericks became a PL full back despite not being able to cross and not having any real skill, so there's evidently a niche if you can find it in the right setup
Also don't think with Lookman does him any favours... Mola don't pass
Funny you say that I was thinking the same thing he's like a young version of Fredricks
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
Robinson had been one of my favorite players. He is not the same player since the red card, I really don't know how that can be explained. I felt his crosses and passing were getting better several games before the red card. But ever since the card, he is not playing well at all. I think right now anyway, Aina should be getting his position and starting assignment. Robinson will need to win his job back.
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
League one standard and out of his depth? If he's a league one left back then why does he start most games for us and why do we not concede a shed load of goals down our left flank then? Considering at LB we've got a "league 1" standard LB and a LCB who's never played consistently at this level, our defensive record is nothing short of remarkable if we're hamstrung that badly LOL
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
Have to disagree. I think AR can play at this level. His problem right now is that he is just out of form. Hasn't been playing well since his red card, imo.
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 21, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
League one standard and out of his depth? If he's a league one left back then why does he start most games for us and why do we not concede a shed load of goals down our left flank then? Considering at LB we've got a "league 1" standard LB and a LCB who's never played consistently at this level, our defensive record is nothing short of remarkable if we're hamstrung that badly LOL
He was at Wigan who got relegated to League1 and then he came to us.
He hasn't improved.
Luckily we have some good players along side him.
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 21, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
League one standard and out of his depth? If he's a league one left back then why does he start most games for us and why do we not concede a shed load of goals down our left flank then? Considering at LB we've got a "league 1" standard LB and a LCB who's never played consistently at this level, our defensive record is nothing short of remarkable if we're hamstrung that badly LOL
He was at Wigan who got relegated to League1 and then he came to us.
He hasn't improved.
Luckily we have some good players along side him.
Would have gone to AC Milan in the January window of that season if not for a heart issue.
Good defensively, excellent getting forward to assist attack, however crossing very poor.
He should work largely on crossing the ball in training.
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 21, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
League one standard and out of his depth? If he's a league one left back then why does he start most games for us and why do we not concede a shed load of goals down our left flank then? Considering at LB we've got a "league 1" standard LB and a LCB who's never played consistently at this level, our defensive record is nothing short of remarkable if we're hamstrung that badly LOL
He was at Wigan who got relegated to League1 and then he came to us.
He hasn't improved.
Luckily we have some good players along side him.
So you're saying any player we sign from league one could never be PL quality? Wigan getting relegated was due to a points deduction, they were mid table in the championship before that happened so your logic has already gone out of the window
Wasn't Deli Ali playing league 1 when Tottenham signed him..
I do agree Robinson has struggled a bit since being banned but for me he is our best LB yes he needs to work on his final ball for sure but he is very pacy athletic & links well with Lookman. He is certainly an upgrade on Joe Bryan
I like Robinson, i believe he was a bargain and even if we go down he will still be in the team. I rate him over Bryan. I like Bryan but Robinson is better
Robinson needs to be developed . The modern game almost demands full backs who attack and can cross the ball ( something Bryan for example can do ) . He is inexperienced , raw but can make it if he works very , very hard and has the right coaching . He could be better than Fredericks with the right commitment and support.
It's up to the lad and the club - we shall see . I just wish him all the best , but for now it's Tete and Aina for me.
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
Decent athlete..just not a baller. What on earth does that mean? Help me please I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Quote from: Willham on February 21, 2021, 12:42:46 AM
I cannot believe theres a forum complaining about Robinson, I love this guy, I really think he has the potential to make it at a top club! I see a young Andrew Robertson, which is funny as their both A.R. again funny enough watching matches of hull city with my dad we would say exactly the same, he needs to work on that final touch but look at Robertson's final touch now! If I remember properly Robertson was snapped up by liverpool for 9 mill, I'd only take 20 for Robinson right now, yes he is a bit unpolished but the man works hard and I was kinda happy he got his red card, shows the guys got grit too... something I still feel the 'polished' Robertson, and all of the liverpool team right now tbh, lack.
Very surprised hes getting stick! For 2 mill this guys our big profit!
And one that, yes, he has faults, but nothing that can't be improved upon, next season or 2 he is going to be dynamite.
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Quote from: Twig on February 22, 2021, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
Decent athlete..just not a baller. What on earth does that mean? Help me please I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Well, put it like this, in response to Stefjo playing in 4 out of 4 wins for our neighbours and having stats of 1 goal, 131 passes & 108 successful passes, Charlie Austin said "guy is a baller" as compliment to him.
Quote from: Jim© on February 21, 2021, 11:27:51 AM
Robinson is very iffy defensively. If you have two minutes, watch the second goal v west brom. I'd be angry if my u16s did that. He's been diving in a lot too, did it v spurs about 3 times that almost cost us. I like him and think at the moment he's unpolished so with a huge load of potential. Bryan's crossing and awareness are way better imo. However in a four at the back, Aina is streets ahead at LB
1000% This.
After that then go and watch the goal Iwobi scores at our place (vs Everton).
Then watch the Leicester goal away.
And then have a look at the second Leicester goal at home where he's miles too wide.
And then the rest. I do like him, I think he's a good player overall but quite frankly his electric pace covers up a whole multitude of sins and anyone who thinks he's defensively solid should have look at themselves.
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Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
Decent athlete..just not a baller. What on earth does that mean? Help me please I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Well, put it like this, in response to Stefjo playing in 4 out of 4 wins for our neighbours and having stats of 1 goal, 131 passes & 108 successful passes, Charlie Austin said "guy is a baller" as compliment to him.
But what does it actually mean?
In this context, it's taken from basketball to mean 'very good' or 'impressive' etc. Another Americanism leaking into our language, basically.
Joe bryan is abetter footballer ,but is poor defensively and doesnt have great athleticism or height. Robinson is afantastic athlete and honest performer but lacks abit of quality. If he had that he would be playing for stop 6 side. Robinsons a young lad and his season so far makes alot of sense with the ups and downs. I wouldnt pick him either ahead of Aina just now,but I think he was afantstic signing a will come good and develop into a really top player.
He's just a raw gem that needs polishing in a few places.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 23, 2021, 01:47:29 PM
In this context, it's taken from basketball to mean 'very good' or 'impressive' etc. Another Americanism leaking into our language, basically.
Thank you.
Sounded like it meant something quite different to me!
I'm happy enough with Robinson on the team and he has alot of upside still.
Agree with much that's been said, hes raw and his athleticism is a key component in his value , it means that he is able to make up for defensive errors generally (just like Frederick's used to do) and that's an important aspect in judging his effectiveness at defending. He's been part of a vastly improved back 4 but unfortunately for him, Aina came in at LB and showed how it's done.
Have said it before on here...if I'm Parker right now I'm making him make 25-50 successful crosses in a row, every day, that hit his target, at the end of every training session...and hes not allowed to go home until hes done it. He might hate it but it's the thing that if he improves it would completely turn him into a top LWB for years to come.
If he could cross a ball it would have been an absolute game changer this season, hope he adds it to his game. If he does and Lookman starts actually passing to him it could open up a lot more goals for us
Quote from: jayffc on February 24, 2021, 11:45:04 AM
I'm happy enough with Robinson on the team and he has alot of upside still.
Agree with much that's been said, hes raw and his athleticism is a key component in his value , it means that he is able to make up for defensive errors generally (just like Frederick's used to do) and that's an important aspect in judging his effectiveness at defending. He's been part of a vastly improved back 4 but unfortunately for him, Aina came in at LB and showed how it's done.
Have said it before on here...if I'm Parker right now I'm making him make 25-50 successful crosses in a row, every day, that hit his target, at the end of every training session...and hes not allowed to go home until hes done it. He might hate it but it's the thing that if he improves it would completely turn him into a top LWB for years to come.
If he could cross a ball it would have been an absolute game changer this season, hope he adds it to his game. If he does and Lookman starts actually passing to him it could open up a lot more goals for us
Great post jayffc. Spot on.
Quote from: perry geyton on February 20, 2021, 10:52:43 PM
All huff and puff with no final product....
I really rated him at first but I'm leaning at Aina at left back now, Antonee works so hard and gets up and down the wing BUT
Think i'm with you, but I think Antonee is actually really good, he's got the ability to obviously attack and still get back to defend, his turn of pace is blistering even at this level and he's a good tackler both in general but also in one on one situations. I think he's an intelligent guy who could offer a lot. He does need to improve on his final ball in the attacking third, both on the ground passes and crossing, but if he does, he'd be quite the player. As someone else said, not a bad headache to see him and Aina competing for the place and not to forget the more than competent Joe Bryan. Aina is my favourite so far, just because of his versatility and maturity on the ball and when in the final third, but it's a good problem to have.
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Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
League one standard and out of his depth? If he's a league one left back then why does he start most games for us and why do we not concede a shed load of goals down our left flank then? Considering at LB we've got a "league 1" standard LB and a LCB who's never played consistently at this level, our defensive record is nothing short of remarkable if we're hamstrung that badly LOL
He was at Wigan who got relegated to League1 and then he came to us.
He hasn't improved.
Luckily we have some good players along side him.
So you're saying any player we sign from league one could never be PL quality? Wigan getting relegated was due to a points deduction, they were mid table in the championship before that happened so your logic has already gone out of the window
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Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 08:47:26 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on February 21, 2021, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: Luka on February 21, 2021, 05:35:04 PM
There was a similar thread a few weeks back and nothing has happened to change my mind about Robinson since then. It's not his fault he's being asked to play above his ability level, it's just where he finds himself. He is a kick and run lower Championship/league one full back clearly out of his depth.
Reminds me a lot of AK47.........decent athlete just not a baller.
League one standard and out of his depth? If he's a league one left back then why does he start most games for us and why do we not concede a shed load of goals down our left flank then? Considering at LB we've got a "league 1" standard LB and a LCB who's never played consistently at this level, our defensive record is nothing short of remarkable if we're hamstrung that badly LOL
He was at Wigan who got relegated to League1 and then he came to us.
He hasn't improved.
Luckily we have some good players along side him.
So you're saying any player we sign from league one could never be PL quality? Wigan getting relegated was due to a points deduction, they were mid table in the championship before that happened so your logic has already gone out of the window
We paid peanuts for the player for a reason. He was a "one for the future" signing that could prove to be a bargain if he can hit the required level of footballing prowess required in the Premier league.
I said that he hasn't improved (my opinion) and as such isn't at the level required.
He looked pretty good at Wigan who were playing mid to lower championship and now league one footballl. So my logic is that the championship/league one level was and remains his current playing grade.
Thought he looked better crossing today, he gets a lot of stick of not getting g the best crosses in but thought he did very well today, especially at getting that cross into the box under pressure, something I havent seen from him before, I usually see him creating a lot of space before his cross but today he did very well under pressure.
Quote from: Willham on March 05, 2021, 12:11:30 AM
Thought he looked better crossing today, he gets a lot of stick of not getting g the best crosses in but thought he did very well today, especially at getting that cross into the box under pressure, something I havent seen from him before, I usually see him creating a lot of space before his cross but today he did very well under pressure.
He was very good today, made some great runs, his crossing still not great when he doesn't keep it on the ground
But credit due
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Quote from: Willham on March 05, 2021, 12:11:30 AM
Thought he looked better crossing today, he gets a lot of stick of not getting g the best crosses in but thought he did very well today, especially at getting that cross into the box under pressure, something I havent seen from him before, I usually see him creating a lot of space before his cross but today he did very well under pressure.
He was very good today, made some great runs, his crossing still not great when he doesn't keep it on the ground
But credit due
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Quote from: Willham on March 05, 2021, 12:11:30 AM
Thought he looked better crossing today, he gets a lot of stick of not getting g the best crosses in but thought he did very well today, especially at getting that cross into the box under pressure, something I havent seen from him before, I usually see him creating a lot of space before his cross but today he did very well under pressure.
Yeah, so overall I thought his involvement was improved.
The stats are interesting though, he attempted 12 passes of 30yards or over - only 6 of them found a Fulham player.
He's actually only recorded 1 successful pass into the penalty box and none of his "crosses" into the box were successful.
6/12 long passes - 50%
1 pass into the box
0 crosses into the box
https://fbref.com/en/matches/44b3d20c/Fulham-Tottenham-Hotspur-March-4-2021-Premier-League
Quote from: perry geyton on March 05, 2021, 02:47:42 AM
Quote from: Willham on March 05, 2021, 12:11:30 AM
Thought he looked better crossing today, he gets a lot of stick of not getting g the best crosses in but thought he did very well today, especially at getting that cross into the box under pressure, something I havent seen from him before, I usually see him creating a lot of space before his cross but today he did very well under pressure.
He was very good today, made some great runs, his crossing still not great when he doesn't keep it on the ground
But credit due
Agreed, thought he had a very nice game. Still young kid, will get better with experience. Has some holes in his game, but like him and could be nice piece over the future.
I thought it was a mistake to take him off v spurs. Bryan made us worse. WShether that was because he is less good or because he didn't get up the pace of the game as sub, who knows but taking robinson off was surely an error.
