Check out this post from Fulham FC https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2021/february/Carvalho-Great-To-Get-Three-Points/
Fabio Carvalho has scored 10 goals so far for the U23's. With the lack of goals in the first team I can't help but wonder why not have him as an option on the bench?
In Fulham's last match the bench mainly consisted of defenders. Surely Scott and the first team are crying out for more attacking options. Why not leave Hector or Odoi out and add Fab?
Maybe it's not so easy to flip flop between u23 and the first team as they may be in different bubbles.
He does look good, saw him at the age of 17 playing against Bromley first team. Plenty of space on the bench to give him an opportunity. assuming we were three up.
I see no reason why he shouldn´t make the bench as we are not excatly spoilt for choice when it comes to attacking options. Must be a better option than having Ream, Odoi, Hector and Bryan all on the bench at the same time.
Doesn't matter who we bring in if we don't adopt a more attacking outlook.
He can't score if we are constantly recycling and not taking the opportunity to get the ball into the box.
Wouldn't do his confidence any good I feel.
Is there a named squad that are eligible to play that we submitted earlier in the year, or can you play anyone?
Quote from: Milo on February 23, 2021, 06:38:06 PM
Is there a named squad that are eligible to play that we submitted earlier in the year, or can you play anyone?
We can play as many Academy youngsters as we like. They do not form part of the 25 named squad.
Quote from: grandad on February 23, 2021, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: Milo on February 23, 2021, 06:38:06 PM
Is there a named squad that are eligible to play that we submitted earlier in the year, or can you play anyone?
We can play as many Academy youngsters as we like. They do not form part of the 25 named squad.
Exactly right.
If they're good enough , they're old enough
Quote from: jelmo on February 23, 2021, 05:44:12 PM
Maybe it's not so easy to flip flop between u23 and the first team as they may be in different bubbles.
Think its exactly that. Pulling the guy out of training/games with the u23 with the promise of maybe a few minutes when we are coasting in games (dare to dream) wouldn't be good for his development. I seem to remember that when we pulled Jasper and him in for our Cup squad it required some pre planning/covid logistics.
His next step will likely be a loan given our previous policy with promising lads.
I agree with the sentiment of the post however. Would love to see guys continue to come through with us, as our track record has been ok in recent years. Roberts, Elliot, Sess, Rodak, dembele, lasse,
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 23, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
They are different players and don't even share the same position
Quote from: Jamie88 on February 23, 2021, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 23, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
They are different players and don't even share the same position
At this stage Parker obviously thinks Onamah and Reid on the bench will prevent Fabio getting a run on the field. Fabio is probably ready to be sent on loan to the championship or play with us if we go down, but I really doubt he is premier league ready yet.
Wasn't Jasper getting more bench time last season than all of the other youngsters and Stansfield also appeared ahead of Fabio last season.
I guess the bottom line for me, if team bubbles are not an issue then I wouldn't mind seeing either Fabio or Jasper on the first team bench as options. Again, I think the current first team bench is defender heavy and could use more attacking options.
Quote from: love4ffc on February 24, 2021, 02:11:14 AM
I guess the bottom line for me, if team bubbles are not an issue then I wouldn't mind seeing either Fabio or Jasper on the first team bench as options. Again, I think the current first team bench is defender heavy and could use more attacking options.
If you think sticking a player with incredible potential on a premier league bench improves him, then why isn't RLC (who has spent more minutes on the bench than any other truly talented player) the best player in premier league? Fabio can play u23s until he's a first team starter, or he's the Mo Salah of the U23s, then play him when he is too good for many to handle.
We need to get the ball into the middle first
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 23, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
How do you know that Carvalho isn't as good as Onomah ?
Quote from: blingo on February 23, 2021, 10:15:04 PM
If they're good enough , they're old enough
+1. I am not a fan of United but I do admire their yoof system from right back to the '50's under Matt Busby when they used to win the FA Yoof Cup year on year. I am not sure from exactly when but in every game for many seasons a yoof product had taken part.
Quote from: love4ffc on February 23, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
Check out this post from Fulham FC https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2021/february/Carvalho-Great-To-Get-Three-Points/
Fabio Carvalho has scored 10 goals so far for the U23's. With the lack of goals in the first team I can't help but wonder why not have him as an option on the bench?
In Fulham's last match the bench mainly consisted of defenders. Surely Scott and the first team are crying out for more attacking options. Why not leave Hector or Odoi out and add Fab?
He looks OK in the U23s but there's a massive gap between U23s and first team football. Personally, don't think the U23 set up, nationally (not just us) works...some clubs use it to play youngsters (like we do), other clubs play squad first teamers (Leeds/Newcastle). There's no natural step up to the first team.
Quote from: Whitestone on February 24, 2021, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 23, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
How do you know that Carvalho isn't as good as Onomah ?
I agree with your question, but also, they are not remotely comparable as they play in completely different positions so I really struggle to see the relevance of this.
Quote from: Twig on February 24, 2021, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on February 24, 2021, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 23, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
How do you know that Carvalho isn't as good as Onomah ?
I agree with your question, but also, they are not remotely comparable as they play in completely different positions so I really struggle to see the relevance of this.
Onomah and Carvalho are both attacking midfielders.
If he feeds off crosses/passes into the box I fear he might go hungry.
Quote from: Whitestone on February 24, 2021, 01:35:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 24, 2021, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on February 24, 2021, 08:14:29 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 23, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Fabio Carvalho isn't as good as Josh Onamah yet, as Onamah's game in u23 shows he is much too good for that level and better than Fabio. If both players are on the bench it's highly unlikely both will play, so it seems Parker would prefer Carvalho to play in u23 than being Onamah's backup, which I think is wise.
How do you know that Carvalho isn't as good as Onomah ?
I agree with your question, but also, they are not remotely comparable as they play in completely different positions so I really struggle to see the relevance of this.
Onomah and Carvalho are both attacking midfielders.
If Carvalho, Reid and Onamah were on the bench, what player could Carvalho substitute that Onamah or Reid couldn't?
As for whether Onamah or Carvalho is better, we can compare their latest U23 performances, it seems from limited minutes that Onamah is much too good for u23 and it seems Carvalho could use another 6 to 18 months in his development.
Parker of course gets to see both on the training ground, and based on his decisions we know he rates Onamah and Reid for now, while wants Carvalho to develop in the under 23s.
It maybe worth noting that Venus Willians coach (ie their dad) choose to delay her from senior tennis competition more than any other player in history, winning a set against top four player Aracha Sanchez two years before professional debut. Venus Williams was delayed so much that she made the US Open final four months after her first gland slam match. 8 months before her US Open Final, Venus Williams had played 14 professional matches, even though every tournament wanted her to play as their wildcard, even tennis magazines were saying she will win a grand slam shortly after she enters.
The coach delaying Carvalho debut until he is ready like the Williams sisters maybe a great decision too.
Carvalho not in the u23 squad today, possibly been moved up.
Quote from: sunburywhite on February 24, 2021, 07:46:02 AM
We need to get the ball into the middle first
Do that and Mitro, Maja, and whoever you put in there can score. It is more our current problem than anything else.
He is still a little lightweight..
076.gifChampionship expierence next year - either with us (let's hope not) or loan deal in my opinion
Oh and wasn't he in the latest training pics on social media!?!
Surely Carvalho is worth having on the bench over Hector Odoi etc now we can name 9 subs
