Graham Souness said on tv after the Sheffield game that ex players should be used as referees. The idea is possibly good but if players had to retire early because of injuries they might not be the best to referee or run the line. Then the fact is they are well known for their cheating and trying to con the poor old referee could they be trusted to be un biased?
if an ex-player get to officiate against an ex-team or rival then it would be interesting to see how they, and the fans, cope, I think it would be very difficult, human nature and all that.
"simulation" needs to be stamped out, its cheating, retrospective red cards and points deduction are the only way, hit the clubs who both encourage and benefit where it hurts
Whatever happened to the yellow card for 'diving' in the penalty area ? (goalkeepers excepted :005:). They used to be quite frequent.
At least we no longer seem to get the ridiculous, "If it's not a penalty, it's got to be a yellow card for diving" assertion - usually from the co-commentator - implying that every tackle where a player goes down is either a free kick or a dive.
He also said (in his opinion) it should have been a penalty & a red card against our keeper.
He of course was the most gentlest of creatures as far as his playing style
If they can be trusted to play against their old club like RLC will be doing on Sunday then they should be trusted to officiate a match impartially
I think the problem is perception. They will come with baggage, bad blood from certain individuals or clubs they played against, and won't be perceived to be impartial
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on February 24, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
He also said (in his opinion) it should have been a penalty & a red card against our keeper.
He of course was the most gentlest of creatures as far as his playing style
His view of course which I don't agree with. To be fair to him, he said that we should have been given a "stonewall" penalty against Liverpool early on this season, he called it in real time and said it was confirmed by VAR but mysteriously not by the ref.
I don't see the logic behind that argument. One does not need to have played the game professionally to be able to apply the rules of the game.
If it's an argument based on level of experience, then he's not considering that they would have already been involved in a large number of games in order to be a top flight ref.
I'm not sure. Maybe a good idea but is Ryan Shawcross and his ilk going to referee to the same 'rules' as Jack Grealish and his ilk.
He has talked about this before - he advocates ex players ( particularly those from the lower leagues and those who have to finish early ) should be given the opportunity.
It's been done in professional cricket for years, first class umpires had to have played the game professionally. Football should have introduced it years ago.
Is there anything stopping ex players becoming referees, suggest the work would be too difficult for most of them and the pay too low.
Quote from: whitejc on February 24, 2021, 10:17:11 AM
"simulation" needs to be stamped out, its cheating, retrospective red cards and points deduction are the only way, hit the clubs who both encourage and benefit where it hurts
The problem here, for me, is that a player running at full pelt only needs a very slight touch to knock him off balance and put him down. VAR, being two dimensional, doesn't always pick that up, so it looks as though the forward has dived when he hasn't.
It might just be me but I can't stand Souness.
Trying to imagine Jack Grealish or some other diver such as Callum Wilson as a referee...
Quote from: milis on February 24, 2021, 04:27:39 PM
Trying to imagine Jack Grealish or some other diver such as Callum Wilson as a referee...
Yes. Then VAR can mark out of Ten
It's the length of time it takes to learn how to referee that is important. People need to start at the bottom and work their way up. Being fit having the ability As well as enjoying what you are doing is important. I don't think players fit completely. But maybe some could be given a try at a lower level
Quote from: blingo on February 24, 2021, 03:21:21 PM
It might just be me but I can't stand Souness.
Why do Ikeep reading Sourness when I see his name
Souness also said Areola's tackle was akin to assault, so I would disregard anything he says as he obviously aint got a scooby what he's talking about.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on February 24, 2021, 06:09:17 PM
Souness also said Areola's tackle was akin to assault, so I would disregard anything he says as he obviously aint got a scooby what he's talking about.
Souness is one of the best pundits on tv !
Quote from: Ed on February 24, 2021, 01:51:27 PM
It's been done in professional cricket for years, first class umpires had to have played the game professionally. Football should have introduced it years ago.
It is certainly the norm, but I don't think it has ever been a requirement for an umpire in first class cricket to have played professionally.
Quote from: Dr Know on February 24, 2021, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on February 24, 2021, 06:09:17 PM
Souness also said Areola's tackle was akin to assault, so I would disregard anything he says as he obviously aint got a scooby what he's talking about.
Souness is one of the best pundits on tv !
Lol
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on February 24, 2021, 06:09:17 PM
Souness also said Areola's tackle was akin to assault, so I would disregard anything he says as he obviously aint got a scooby what he's talking about.
Areola is guilty of assault maybe in this new world, but Souness has guilt of so much worse many many times. https://youtu.be/ygVgxYa3mlo
Souness is a miserable p****.
Met him a few times, actually a really nice bloke.
A friend of mine was playing for Chelsea reserves v Tottenham Hotspur Reserves back in the early 70s and Sourness was playing for Spurs at the time.
During the game Souness and my mate went into a 50 50 tackle with both players punching their weight in the tackle as they did in those days. The ball ran loose to another Chelsea player and as everybody was following the ball including the referee, and with both players still on the floor, as my mate proceeded to get up, Souness stuck his leg up and cynically scrapped his studs across my mates chin drawing blood for no reason at all except that he had lost the ball in the tackle, unfortunately everybody had their eye on the play. These days TV and VAR would have picked it up.
My mate to this day still has the scar.
Souness was one of those players that in a battle you would always want him on your side, but not against you. A bit of an assassin on the pitch and an unpleasant character.
I have no idea what he is like off the pitch.
As a pundit he is divisive and either you like him or you don't.
Some of his comments are not called for, and I often wonder if he would like to foul some of the other pundits on the panel if he was allowed.
I suppose from Skys point of view he makes good TV for them maybe.
Quote from: alfie on February 25, 2021, 10:54:03 AM
Met him a few times, actually a really nice bloke.
Could not agree more Alfie. Was lucky enough to spend a couple of hours at his house in the early 80s. Very honest and straight forward but not full of himself . Enjoy his punditry - yes can be a bit biased towards Liverpool , but a lot more impartial than most.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 25, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
A friend of mine was playing for Chelsea reserves v Tottenham Hotspur Reserves back in the early 70s and Sourness was playing for Spurs at the time.
During the game Souness and my mate went into a 50 50 tackle with both players punching their weight in the tackle as they did in those days. The ball ran loose to another Chelsea player and as everybody was following the ball including the referee, and with both players still on the floor, as my mate proceeded to get up, Souness stuck his leg up and cynically scrapped his studs across my mates chin drawing blood for no reason at all except that he had lost the ball in the tackle, unfortunately everybody had their eye on the play. These days TV and VAR would have picked it up.
My mate to this day still has the scar.
Souness was one of those players that in a battle you would always want him on your side, but not against you. A bit of an assassin on the pitch and an unpleasant character.
I have no idea what he is like off the pitch.
As a pundit he is divisive and either you like him or you don't.
Some of his comments are not called for, and I often wonder if he would like to foul some of the other pundits on the panel if he was allowed.
I suppose from Skys point of view he makes good TV for them maybe.
I think his punditry is like his football in that he takes no prisoners, certainly no siting on the fence.
Quote from: Bill2 on February 25, 2021, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 25, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
A friend of mine was playing for Chelsea reserves v Tottenham Hotspur Reserves back in the early 70s and Sourness was playing for Spurs at the time.
During the game Souness and my mate went into a 50 50 tackle with both players punching their weight in the tackle as they did in those days. The ball ran loose to another Chelsea player and as everybody was following the ball including the referee, and with both players still on the floor, as my mate proceeded to get up, Souness stuck his leg up and cynically scrapped his studs across my mates chin drawing blood for no reason at all except that he had lost the ball in the tackle, unfortunately everybody had their eye on the play. These days TV and VAR would have picked it up.
My mate to this day still has the scar.
Souness was one of those players that in a battle you would always want him on your side, but not against you. A bit of an assassin on the pitch and an unpleasant character.
I have no idea what he is like off the pitch.
As a pundit he is divisive and either you like him or you don't.
Some of his comments are not called for, and I often wonder if he would like to foul some of the other pundits on the panel if he was allowed.
I suppose from Skys point of view he makes good TV for them maybe.
I think his punditry is like his football in that he takes no prisoners, certainly no siting on the fence.
I agree which can be refreshing as long as your not on the end of it I suppose.
Quote from: filham on February 24, 2021, 02:15:07 PM
Is there anything stopping ex players becoming referees, suggest the work would be too difficult for most of them and the pay too low.
The issue would be fast-tracking them to senior positions to referee professional games, leapfrogging those who have been doing it for say 10 to 20 years. Sufficient numbers of ex-players, even from the lower divisions, would then mean very limited career progression for all the other refs.
I would however be interested to see how much of a difference playing experience at professional level would make to decision making. I am not so sure that it is that simple. Be fun to see how they handle the stick as well.
