Both wanted by Mark Warburton..... I'm thinking, we need Stefjo as a squad player.....would Charlie Austin be of use to us?
Sounds like a good move for both players. Neither are what we need. Stef Jo has been fantastic for us and by all accounts has been on top form for QPR. Despite that I think it's time to part ways with a player who's best days are behind him. If he returns he will barely feature and he must recognise that. The time has come for Fulham to bring in players for the future. We need to sign players who have either played regularly in the Premier League or have the quality to play in that league because our target should be automatic promotion next season.
Quote from: Whitestone on May 12, 2021, 09:51:53 AM
Sounds like a good move for both players. Neither are what we need. Stef Jo has been fantastic for us and by all accounts has been on top form for QPR. Despite that I think it's time to part ways with a player who's best days are behind him. If he returns he will barely feature and he must recognise that. The time has come for Fulham to bring in players for the future. We need to sign players who have either played regularly in the Premier League or have the quality to play in that league because our target should be automatic promotion next season.
Knowing our luck when we play QPR next season Austin will get a hatrick and look like the foward we should have signed and Stef Jo will will boss the MF and put one in the top RH corner from 25 yards ensuring his 10th MOM performance of the season :005: :005:
I understand the above posts but I just find it hard to put into print that we should let Stefjo go, he has done so well for us in the past.
Make no mistake our loss would become Ranger's gain.
If we let him go, we should exchange for one of QPR's best young strikers.
All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
We need to keep StefJo as he provides some much needed creativity. Parker needs to use him more this time though.
Not interested in Austin, need someone with more pace, who can press from the front.
Stefjo won't stay, why would he? He won't get games under SP. Also Mitro, Bryan, there are a few who will look to move on if SP is in charge.
He's a legend as a player but sometimes you've just got to let these things go, I think.
Hopefully not to QPR, but if we're aiming high in this division then we're going to need better than Johansen, sadly.
We could do a lot worse than StefJo. Very much hope he returns.
Imagine if Stefjo had stayed on with us, he could pick out a pass, unlike Anguissa. We'd have a lot more ideas in the attacking third that is for sure. Look at how he's done for QPR in such a short time. I just don't think he's ever going to be in Parker's plans. Parker likes the ball on the ground, and StefJo is a classic player who sends it over the top more often. Although, he set up some crucial goals in our promo season, each on the ground. There really isn't any player like him in modern football anymore, and it'd be a real shame if he doesn't come back.
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
We agree to disagree....proper Fulhamish
Charlie Austin - do we need another groundsman?
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Quote from: Nero on May 12, 2021, 10:51:32 AM
All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
Not true. He's averaged 83% pass completion with 1.6 key passes per game this season.
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
Not true. He's averaged 83% pass completion with 1.6 key passes per game this season.
Fair enough. Haven't watched any Championship football this season. It certainly wasn't his strongpoint at Fulham though.
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
Not true. He's averaged 83% pass completion with 1.6 key passes per game this season.
Fair enough. Haven't watched any Championship football this season. It certainly wasn't his strongpoint at Fulham though.
Again gotta disagree, first two seasons under Jokanovic he got 8 assists one season and 9 the other.
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
Not true. He's averaged 83% pass completion with 1.6 key passes per game this season.
Fair enough. Haven't watched any Championship football this season. It certainly wasn't his strongpoint at Fulham though.
Again gotta disagree, first two seasons under Jokanovic he got 8 assists one season and 9 the other.
That was a while ago. Johansen has been great for Fulham and who knows he may come back, but if we're going to progress as a team we need to move on from the stalwarts of the Jokanovic era. If we are going to get off the rollercoaster of promotion, relegation, promotion, relegation the club need to be more forward thinking in their recruitment of players. If our target next season is promotion which I assume it must be, the players that we bring in this summer must be proven in the Premier League or have the potential to play at that level. Johansen doesn't fit either of those criteria.
We have to move forward from the past. Stefjo was just too slow for the premiership, last time in the championship he picked up about a dozen bookings with nearly all being for hacking someone down after being beaten by a player quicker than him.
Like wise, Christie, Ream and Odoi etc should be ditched if we want to progress with players capable of taking us forward.
Long term planning has to be implemented if we wish to return and STAY in the premiership.
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All season Parker been on about player not being cute enough when the opposition are attacking but let's stefjo leave the king of the professional foul and breaking up play
StefJo definitely knows the art of winning a game.....can slso pick out a decent pass
I have to disagree there. He has many good attributes but passing wouldn't be near the top of the list. So many of his passes went astray.
Not true. He's averaged 83% pass completion with 1.6 key passes per game this season.
Fair enough. Haven't watched any Championship football this season. It certainly wasn't his strongpoint at Fulham though.
Again gotta disagree, first two seasons under Jokanovic he got 8 assists one season and 9 the other.
That was a while ago. Johansen has been great for Fulham and who knows he may come back, but if we're going to progress as a team we need to move on from the stalwarts of the Jokanovic era. If we are going to get off the rollercoaster of promotion, relegation, promotion, relegation the club need to be more forward thinking in their recruitment of players. If our target next season is promotion which I assume it must be, the players that we bring in this summer must be proven in the Premier League or have the potential to play at that level. Johansen doesn't fit either of those criteria.
I'm not sure....our problem this season was late recruitment..... we'd lost 10 games, and couldn't get them back.....Burnley, Brighton, Palace don't have 20 premiership player's, but they're still in the league
Quote from: sarnian on May 12, 2021, 11:26:37 PM
We have to move forward from the past. Stefjo was just too slow for the premiership, last time in the championship he picked up about a dozen bookings with nearly all being for hacking someone down after being beaten by a player quicker than him.
Like wise, Christie, Ream and Odoi etc should be ditched if we want to progress with players capable of taking us forward.
Long term planning has to be implemented if we wish to return and STAY in the premiership.
Hence we need a DOF
We probably have to sell one midfielder at an FFP profit this season to bring in another winger on loan with option to buy. The only midfielders we can sell at an FFP profit are Reed, Anguissa, Stefjo, Cairney and Onamah.
If the other four all want to stay at Fulham, then cashing in on Stefjo might be good business. If any of the other four want to leave (especially Anguiissa), then keeping Stefjo is wise, unless we get a great price (which is likely as Stefjo's value is sky high at the moment).
Sorry but we just have to have a clear out. StefJo sadly and probably for a decent price. The others I don't think price will matter as much; AK, Ream, Odoi, Onomah, Christie, Seri, Fabri. That would be my minimum clear out as not one of those should get near even our Championship bench. Add in Mitro and Zambo if they don't want to play for us at Champ level. Add in Mawson (or medically retire him) if he's never going to be capable of 90 mins.
We must reset and when we do we need to build a squad that can play to a clear footballing philosophy. No more ad hoc, opportunistic recruitment. I want a Fulham way, a recognisable style and I only want players who fit that approach.
Oh yes, and go easy on the loans!
Quote from: Twig on May 13, 2021, 07:58:33 AM
Sorry but we just have to have a clear out. StefJo sadly and probably for a decent price. The others I don't think price will matter as much; AK, Ream, Odoi, Onomah, Christie, Seri, Fabri. That would be my minimum clear out as not one of those should get near even our Championship bench. Add in Mitro and Zambo if they don't want to play for us at Champ level. Add in Mawson (or medically retire him) if he's never going to be capable of 90 mins.
We must reset and when we do we need to build a squad that can play to a clear footballing philosophy. No more ad hoc, opportunistic recruitment. I want a Fulham way, a recognisable style and I only want players who fit that approach.
Oh yes, and go easy on the loans!
You want to clear out Fabri; Christie, Mawson, Ream, Odoi; Anguissa, Seri, Stefjo, Onomah; Mitro, and AK; then who are your bench and squad players, especially as we are only allowed around five loans per game. A great XI rarely gets a team automatic promotion.
Not getting the best out of StefJo and letting him go is another nail in Parker's coffin as far as I am concerned.Bad judgement.
A box to box intelligent midfielder, who can break at speed and knows how to manage a game was exactly the role we missed in midfield. When Reed was injured we had no general.
I would have him over Zambo any day.
Oh and BTW if you are worried about who to sell, Cav and Knoc can both go. Any sale price at all is worth it for either.
Keep Kebano and get rid of Mawson, Seri, and Christie. That will help matters but be careful about the others especially Josh, he is young, strong and if coached correctly could be excellent.
Quote from: Twig on May 13, 2021, 07:58:33 AM
Sorry but we just have to have a clear out. StefJo sadly and probably for a decent price. The others I don't think price will matter as much; AK, Ream, Odoi, Onomah, Christie, Seri, Fabri. That would be my minimum clear out as not one of those should get near even our Championship bench. Add in Mitro and Zambo if they don't want to play for us at Champ level. Add in Mawson (or medically retire him) if he's never going to be capable of 90 mins.
We must reset and when we do we need to build a squad that can play to a clear footballing philosophy. No more ad hoc, opportunistic recruitment. I want a Fulham way, a recognisable style and I only want players who fit that approach.
Oh yes, and go easy on the loans!
That'll be Mr Roy's job
In my opinion, Stefjo had become a liability, every time he came on I was waiting for the red card to come out. He may have been suffering from an injury but his performances had dipped considerably last season. Regarding the others I would keep Kebano and get rid of all that other dead wood hanging around the training field.
Quote from: clarkey on May 13, 2021, 08:11:35 AM
Not getting the best out of StefJo and letting him go is another nail in Parker's coffin as far as I am concerned.Bad judgement.
A box to box intelligent midfielder, who can break at speed and knows how to manage a game was exactly the role we missed in midfield. When Reed was injured we had no general.
I would have him over Zambo any day.
Parker never really liked Johansen - even last year, he barely played him after Christmas. This year, Parker gave Onomah a place on the 25-man squad in January and sent Johansen away and Onomah has barely played at all.
Johansen could have done a job as a squad player for a few games this season despite all the comments here that he's not PL quality, his legs are gone, etc.
A lot of love on here for stefjo, just want to join in he's been a big hit down the road with rangers. They were hovering near relegation and he's def been part of their revival . I want him to stay but I fear he may want out .
Quote from: bobbo on May 13, 2021, 12:40:07 PM
A lot of love on here for stefjo, just want to join in he's been a big hit down the road with rangers. They were hovering near relegation and he's def been part of their revival . I want him to stay but I fear he may want out .
I wish Parker would consider him. He has that "football-nous" that Parker claims most of the current players don't have. Also, StefJo was quite good for West Brom when we got relegated last time out.
Managers who value a true playmaker will line up for StefJo. I said it before, but he's a classic playmaker. There really isn't anyone else like him.
They can't afford him simple as that.Plus why would we let him go to a competitor in the championship.Í hope he stays with us and helps us next season we need players of his calibre in the Championship.
Love what Stefjo has done for us in the past but we need to move forward and get someone in who can players role next season and hopefully the season after in the Premiership
As for Charlie Austin, no thank you
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Quote from: Twig on May 13, 2021, 07:58:33 AM
Sorry but we just have to have a clear out. StefJo sadly and probably for a decent price. The others I don't think price will matter as much; AK, Ream, Odoi, Onomah, Christie, Seri, Fabri. That would be my minimum clear out as not one of those should get near even our Championship bench. Add in Mitro and Zambo if they don't want to play for us at Champ level. Add in Mawson (or medically retire him) if he's never going to be capable of 90 mins.
We must reset and when we do we need to build a squad that can play to a clear footballing philosophy. No more ad hoc, opportunistic recruitment. I want a Fulham way, a recognisable style and I only want players who fit that approach.
Oh yes, and go easy on the loans!
You want to clear out Fabri; Christie, Mawson, Ream, Odoi; Anguissa, Seri, Stefjo, Onomah; Mitro, and AK; then who are your bench and squad players, especially as we are only allowed around five loans per game. A great XI rarely gets a team automatic promotion.
Be careful how you quote me. I did not say I wanted to release Mitro or Zambo but that we should release them if they don't want to play for us. Neither did I say I wanted to release Mawson but that we should let him leave if he cannot play a 90 minute game of football for medical reasons. I think those are fair comments? As to the rest I stand by my opinion.
Been saying all season we should have kept him and given him some games. Easily a better and more creative player than RLC. Then low and behold he goes to QPR and by all accounts has been fantastic. Just another of Parker's poor decisions.
Stefjo has not been a part of our team for about 3 seasons. Let him go to QPR and wish him the best
Yes, time to let StefJo go to a new challenge, I'm not sure we'll get much for him though? I think I read somewhere Fabri's contract has expired, that must save us a few £.
