Anyone else see the parker ball tactics employed by England not suiting Harry kane?
Reminds me of parker ball not suiting mitrovic.
Parker for England?
I hope I'm wrong but I'm not confident, particularly with the yellow cards.
The irony is that Southgate has built this England aquad around Jane, how bad is that?
Dreadful first half. Wrong tactics, no pace. Pedestrian Parker ball. Grealish, Sancho, Foden, Rashford all on bench. Kane has been woeful every game so far. Why play 2 defensive mids? Get the flair players on Southgate. Get at them!!!
Bloody hell....
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What a save by pickford tho
Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on June 29, 2021, 06:14:31 PM
Bloody hell....
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What a save by pickford tho
Yes, a fantastic save.
Otherwise Pretty poor first half, as I expected.
This reminds of the last Championship season. Loads or possession without doing anything with it!
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Quote from: St. Andrews White on June 29, 2021, 06:31:45 PM
This reminds of the last Championship season. Loads or possession without doing anything with it!
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Good timing that...
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Better! Much better. Grealish creates again. Come on England
I always liked Grealish.....
Grealish and Sterling have been the difference. Germany have been very poor by their standards. Still can't believe Muller missed that chance. Just hope people don't lose the plot and think we are going to walk into the final.
55 years, that's all it took !
whoops
Quote from: SP on June 29, 2021, 06:49:06 PM
I always liked Grealish.....
That made me laugh. Well done.
I see the similarity in tactics but the main thing I can see that Parker and Southgate have in common are not starting their best players. Fans screaming for Grealish to start or Sancho to come on reminds me of a certain Chinese and beer loving manager who froze out a certain Serbian striker and played Ivan Bloody Cavaleiro as a number 9.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 29, 2021, 06:52:34 PM
Grealish and Sterling have been the difference. Germany have been very poor by their standards. Still can't believe Muller missed that chance. Just hope people don't lose the plot and think we are going to walk into the final.
Like the World Cup. Croatia was a free pass to some. They need to stay focused. I'll savour today though [emoji1303][emoji1303]
Well before the start of the tournament I was told Southgate was a "mid table Champnship manager at best", that we were light years behind Germany, France, Spain, that GS was clueless to stick with Sterling. Well we're still in it when some of those big names are out, we haven't conceded a single goal and Sterling has been bloody fantastic. I for one am buzzing! Come on England!!!
Quote from: Twig on June 29, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
Well before the start of the tournament I was told Southgate was a "mid table Champnship manager at best", that we were light years behind Germany, France, Spain, that GS was clueless to stick with Sterling. Well we're still in it when some of those big names are out, we haven't conceded a single goal and Sterling has been bloody fantastic. I for one am buzzing! Come on England!!!
I'm buzzing with you - but not like a " bee " if you get my drift !
Hard to get excited about England's tactics but we won against Germany and are in the last eight , not the right time to be critical of the manager.
I'm really looking forward to England v Germany 8pm ko.... hope we win.....👍⚽️⚽️.
Not sure who is worse us or England, Parker or Southgate, both close calls! Now perhaps forced to endure another 90 minutes of watching the new favourites for the competition, probably us, got to check the odds!
15/8 England, think the bookies have been out celebrating with all the money they have won on France, Germany and Portugal going out, Belgium 13/2 bet of the year!
Hancock gone
Parker gone
Germany gone
What a week this is .....
Well done England 🏴, well deserved, we exorcised a ghost tonight. I would like to see Southgate take more advantage of the quality he has in his squad and unleash even more pace and quality, he doesn't need to be that cautious, however he had a cunning plan and another clean sheet and he managed the game better in the second half. But he also deserves a Pat on the back tonight, I was so nervous i wonder what he must have felt like.
There is so much talent to come and giving Sako and Grealish opportunities they deserve are paying off, and hopefully another obstacle to overcome in the quarter final as long as he is positive and proactive.
For tonight I shall savour the moment at it tastes sweet as I am sure he will.
Far too many people seem to be 'pleased' when England underperform (which, of course, they didn't tonight). It really annoys me - I have been following England since 1959 and this attitude has rarely changed.
I think Southgate is one of the best managers we've ever had. He is always measured and intelligent in everything he says. I will always support England as I will always support Fulham.
Quote from: john dempsey on June 29, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Hancock gone
Parker gone
Germany gone
What a week this is .....
Hear hear.
im as happy as all rest on here . i could moan about a few things but moaning isnt appropriate tonight. i watched it at my local football club and it was priceless when the first goal went in there was about 20 kids going berserk , and some of the adults too.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on June 29, 2021, 08:25:01 PM
Far too many people seem to be 'pleased' when England underperform (which, of course, they didn't tonight). It really annoys me - I have been following England since 1959 and this attitude has rarely changed.
I think Southgate is one of the best managers we've ever had. He is always measured and intelligent in everything he says. I will always support England as I will always support Fulham.
Yes I will always support England 🏴 no matter what and the negative miserable boo boys can drown in their own tears, they cannot moan tonight.
As there are plenty of England fans at Wembley Stadium and around the country having a knees up tonight.
Quote from: john dempsey on June 29, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Hancock gone
Parker gone
Germany gone
What a week this is .....
One name missing there to complete the full set.
I'm ALWAYS happy to see my national team do well.
I'm not sure we can win the euros, but, I think we will have a serious chance of lifting the next World Cup.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 29, 2021, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: john dempsey on June 29, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Hancock gone
Parker gone
Germany gone
What a week this is .....
One name missing there to complete the full set.
France gone...
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So much for the feared group of death.
We can say that if the Italians beat Belgium
4 touches in the first half then he ended up sitting back cos he was getting so isolated, Sterling and him don't seem to be on the same page which is worrying for Man City
I'd say definately reminiscent
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 29, 2021, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on June 29, 2021, 08:25:01 PM
Far too many people seem to be 'pleased' when England underperform (which, of course, they didn't tonight). It really annoys me - I have been following England since 1959 and this attitude has rarely changed.
I think Southgate is one of the best managers we've ever had. He is always measured and intelligent in everything he says. I will always support England as I will always support Fulham.
Yes I will always support England 🏴 no matter what and the negative miserable boo boys can drown in their own tears, they cannot moan tonight.
As there are plenty of England fans at Wembley Stadium and around the country having a knees up tonight.
Agree 100%. Southgate has taken a lot of criticism but his tactics were spot on today. He clearly wanted to match the German lineup which was pretty conservative. I expect a more pacy, attacking set up going forward. I'm sure some of the miserable boo boys would have moaned endlessly about England's 1966 WC performance.
So far we have done absolutely everything right and on top of that, Kane got going this evening.
We're actually in the mix.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 29, 2021, 11:42:27 PM
So far, we have done absolutely everything right.....
Yes. As Gary Lineker, in a rare joke, said - we even let Scotland have a point.
Really surprised this thread exists. What are you people on? Give me some!!!
I thought Sterling's? Backpass error was the only slip up.
I think Roy Hodgson would have been proud, and Scott Parker too.
They looked good, well drilled.
So sorry you were expecting a 3-0 that should have been 5-0.
Please help correct me as I must be missing something.
Quote from: The Rock on June 29, 2021, 11:51:43 PM
Really surprised this thread exists. What are you people on? Give me some!!!
I thought Sterling's? Backpass error was the only slip up.
I think Roy Hodgson would have been proud, and Scott Parker too.
They looked good, well drilled.
So sorry you were expecting a 3-0 that should have been 5-0.
Please help correct me as I must be missing something.
Absolutely agree. Southgate got it tactically spot on.
Well done England, great performance and result.
'Entertainment' has become the new mantra, related i think to the coverage of football , with an emphasis on highlights and goals, and people new to the game often parrot this - someone presenting a Talksport football programme, even said that they found England v Scotland boring.
I don't find 0-o necessarily boring - there is enjoyment for me in seeing sound defensive displays, or teams and managers pitting their wits against each other.
Watching teams like City, when they dominate everyone is boring to me - despite all their skill - I want to see a competitive contest.
There has been such an emphasis on the top teams , with the highly paid players from all over the world, that the 'boring' roots of football, which has always encompassed low scoring games, and 0-0's is overlooked and forgotten.
For me, football is a contest, where the result is all important - if you support a team anyway, and how a manager and team get a result , maybe against a better footballing side, is fascinating to me, and entertainment in itself.
Yes, we beat Germany, a great result and we have to give Southgate credit.
However his tactics are not attractive and if now we fail to beat Ukrain on Saturday then there will surely be a reaction at the tactics he has employed.
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
If you look back at previous winners of these competitions, there is a pattern of slow starts and some football that does not always satisfy the purists who tend to live in the land if the cuckoo, because there is more than one way to win a football match and expecting perfect attacking football that is easy on the eye will leave you in an oasis of disappointment.
I have been critical of Southgate and his cautious approach.
However now England have reached the quarter finals give them a break, hopefully the best is yet to come and I want to see more nights like last night.
What's the excuse for France, Holland, Portugal, Germany and all the others that never made it.
As for that advert for chocolate when the little chocolate man comes out of the wardrobe and whispers "Scots home early" as they always are, and that's my favourite advert.
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
Who is kidding who ?
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
FFS they aren't weak. [emoji849] This German side are 100 times better than Scotland yet England struggled against them. It was a great win. End of.
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 30, 2021, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
FFS they aren't weak. [emoji849] This German side are 100 times better than Scotland yet England struggled against them. It was a great win. End of.
Agree 100% 🏴
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 30, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 30, 2021, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
FFS they aren't weak. [emoji849] This German side are 100 times better than Scotland yet England struggled against them. It was a great win. End of.
Agree 100% 🏴
hahahahaha clueless
whats with the love in for stirling , yes he scored but on 2 or 3 other occasions he tried to take on the whole german defence , refusing to pass . we really only started to play when grealish came on and not all down to him but his presence had an effect on the rest . i wish i could be more positive but we were boring beyond belief in the first half. sancho --- germanys player of the year 2 years on the trot not even given a run out .
Quote from: bobbo on June 30, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
whats with the love in for stirling , yes he scored but on 2 or 3 other occasions he tried to take on the whole german defence , refusing to pass . we really only started to play when grealish came on and not all down to him but his presence had an effect on the rest . i wish i could be more positive but we were boring beyond belief in the first half. sancho --- germanys player of the year 2 years on the trot not even given a run out .
Yeah that was very weird from Sterling wasn't it?
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 30, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 30, 2021, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
FFS they aren't weak. [emoji849] This German side are 100 times better than Scotland yet England struggled against them. It was a great win. End of.
Agree 100% 🏴
hahahahaha clueless
We know you are, you don't have to boast about it.
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Let's not kid ourselves and assume this wasn't a very weak Germany side tho
Had you said they are weaker than some previous German squads - fine. But "very weak" - ridiculous comment.
It doesn't matter if Germany were worse than San Marino (they're not), you can only beat what is in front of you.
And England did that, almost at a canter.
Dear me. I just read this thread and can see most opeople have not a clue what is going on in a football match.
Germany are a good side but not what they were but yet have top class players and are dnagerous. Southgate picked a team to forst stop germany and then as the game wore on, use the squad to take the game to them. it worked very well, but there was not much in it. I am no great sterling fan and his performance was patchy BUT 3 goals in four games for a forward is brilliant and Kane scoring as he did showed the man's class.
we are like fulham a bit pedestrian for my liking but caution against germany is no bad thing. the first goal was always likely to be key and whilst muller should have equalised, pickfor, a keeper i do not rate, did brilliantly to put him off. in factpickford had a great game. i still worry about him but he has done well.
southgate gets lots of muck thrown at him but has done far better than most of his predecessors.
I have noted all four goals were scored in the penalty area, three inside the 6 yard box from crosses on the LHS and one about 8 yards out from a brilliant threaded pass.
most goals are scored inside the penalty area, players that shoot from distance trying to get the spectacular should be shown where the danger really comes from.
Quote from: blingo on June 29, 2021, 05:49:49 PM
Anyone else see the parker ball tactics employed by England not suiting Harry kane?
Reminds me of parker ball not suiting mitrovic.
Yep. Southgate's tactics were awful and Kane didn't suit it. Oh no, wait
Also did Mitro not achieve his best ever scoring season with Parker during Parker's first full season in charge? You are right though, it didn't suit Mitro last season
