Anyone know what happened with Tosin? Apparently his release clause ended 10th July. If no one bid, it's scrapped.
Release clause has expired, and therefore any bid that comes in has to meet the clubs valuation. He played 45 mins on Saturday.
That's amazing news. I think he's a super important player for next year. If he does go, at least we will be paid properly. Thanks for the info
Only problem is TK values him at less than the buyout clause!!!
Quote from: ianthailand on July 19, 2021, 12:05:33 PM
Only problem is TK values him at less than the buyout clause!!!
Surely we can rely on the new manager to put TK right on such matters.
He'll stay
Quote from: perry geyton on July 19, 2021, 05:01:38 PM
He'll stay
Hope you are right , without him we will again have the makings of a leaky defense.
Quote from: filham on July 19, 2021, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on July 19, 2021, 05:01:38 PM
He'll stay
Hope you are right , without him we will again have the makings of a leaky defense.
I don't expect many 0-0 draws at the cottage in the championship and if the back six is "Rodak, Tete, Hector, Tosin, Robinson and Reed" then I don't think the other team will be scoring. Tosin is a huge additional to the squad, even if he plays with MLM or other squad CB most teams will find it very hard to score..
Maybe no one thought he was worth the release clause and will come up with a lower figure, apparently on todays stuff his agent is touting him around. Obviously wants a pay day.
Quote from: Bill2 on July 20, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
Maybe no one thought he was worth the release clause and will come up with a lower figure, apparently on todays stuff his agent is touting him around. Obviously wants a pay day.
Fulham won't sell for less than the release clause though. I wouldn't expect fulham woll sell for much lower than 15 mill
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 20, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on July 20, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
Maybe no one thought he was worth the release clause and will come up with a lower figure, apparently on todays stuff his agent is touting him around. Obviously wants a pay day.
Fulham won't sell for less than the release clause though. I wouldn't expect fulham woll sell for much lower than 15 mill
He proved his chops in the Prem last season - from roughly October onwards our defence was a relatively solid one and he played a large part in that.
I'd be disappointed if we sold our (perhaps only) Prem quality CB for £15m even. Ability, age, potential and remaining contract length-wise, he's got to be worth more than £15m.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 20, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on July 20, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
Maybe no one thought he was worth the release clause and will come up with a lower figure, apparently on todays stuff his agent is touting him around. Obviously wants a pay day.
Fulham won't sell for less than the release clause though. I wouldn't expect fulham woll sell for much lower than 15 mill
Agreed, I expect it will be more than that if he does go
He proved his chops in the Prem last season - from roughly October onwards our defence was a relatively solid one and he played a large part in that.
I'd be disappointed if we sold our (perhaps only) Prem quality CB for £15m even. Ability, age, potential and remaining contract length-wise, he's got to be worth more than £15m.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 20, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Bill2 on July 20, 2021, 11:15:39 AM
Maybe no one thought he was worth the release clause and will come up with a lower figure, apparently on todays stuff his agent is touting him around. Obviously wants a pay day.
Fulham won't sell for less than the release clause though. I wouldn't expect fulham woll sell for much lower than 15 mill
He proved his chops in the Prem last season - from roughly October onwards our defence was a relatively solid one and he played a large part in that.
I'd be disappointed if we sold our (perhaps only) Prem quality CB for £15m even. Ability, age, potential and remaining contract length-wise, he's got to be worth more than £15m.
Agree. Should hold out for £25m. That's what Everton paid for Godfrey.
Hmmm, even our defence was bottom 8 quality last year and that was with Aerola, Anderson and DM Reed coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the POTS vote. So for Tosin I'm not sure being one of the weakest members of one of the weakest defences constitutes "proving his chops". On the rare occasions that a relegated club's player is deemed to be PL quality and worth £20m+ it's almost invariably where that player was the best in the team.
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
Hmmm, even our defence was bottom 8 quality last year and that was with Aerola, Anderson and DM Reed coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the POTS vote. I'm not sure being one of the weakest members of one of the weakest defences constitutes "proving his chops".
1. I'm not sure finishing behind 3 other players in POTS = being one of the weakest members.
2. Finishing bottom 8 in defence (i.e. not relegation places) does = being proving PL chops.
Finishing 4th lower among 5/6 defensive players = being one of the weaker members of that group
I still have the same reservations about him that Statto does. I would love to be proven wrong, but I think he is over egged on here, somewhat.
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
Hmmm, even our defence was bottom 8 quality last year and that was with Aerola, Anderson and DM Reed coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the POTS vote. So for Tosin I'm not sure being one of the weakest members of one of the weakest defences constitutes "proving his chops". On the rare occasions that a relegated club's player is deemed to be PL quality and worth £20m+ it's almost invariably where that player was the best in the team.
By your own calcs, he was our second best defender in a team that finished 12th out of 20 in the league for number of goals conceded ("bottom 8" sounds better for your take on things, granted).
From game 10 onwards (when we settled on our best defence and defensive system), we let in 34 in 28 games - that is not shipping goals at an alarming rate by standards of any teams outside of the top 4. He played in pretty much every game during that period so he played a large part in that stat. He certainly was not highlighted by anyone as being "carried" in the Prem.
He also received positive match ratings and reviews for his own repformances during those 28 games on a regular and fairly consistent basis, even if we did not always pick up the results.
How is that "one of the weakest defenders" in our team?
So, individually as a defender over a 28-game period I'd say the facts, stats and reviews show he's proven himself to be a PL quality defender and worth more than £15m. As do my eyes and plenty of other Fulham supporters who I know/ come on here, never mind the neutrals who share that opinion.
The players of the season at Norwich when they went down were Tim Krul, Todd Cantwell and Alexander Tettey in that order. Godfrey nowhere to be seen in that list and their defence was by far the worst instead of being mid table.
Clearly he should have been sold for £5 million tops.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
Hmmm, even our defence was bottom 8 quality last year and that was with Aerola, Anderson and DM Reed coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the POTS vote. So for Tosin I'm not sure being one of the weakest members of one of the weakest defences constitutes "proving his chops". On the rare occasions that a relegated club's player is deemed to be PL quality and worth £20m+ it's almost invariably where that player was the best in the team.
By your own calcs, he was our second best defender in a team that finished 12th out of 20 in the league for number of goals conceded ("bottom 8" sounds better for your take on things, granted).
From game 10 onwards (when we settled on our best defence and defensive system), we let in 34 in 28 games - that is not shipping goals at an alarming rate by standards of any teams outside of the top 4. He played in pretty much every game during that period so he played a large part in that stat. He certainly was not highlighted by anyone as being "carried" in the Prem.
He also received positive match ratings and reviews for his own repformances during those 28 games on a regular and fairly consistent basis, even if we did not always pick up the results.
How is that "one of the weakest defenders" in our team?
So, individually as a defender over a 28-game period I'd say the facts, stats and reviews show he's proven himself to be a PL quality defender and worth more than £15m. As do my eyes and plenty of other Fulham supporters who I know/ come on here, never mind the neutrals who share that opinion.
"12th out of 20" may sound better for your take on things but of course 13th would be more accurate.
And we don't know he was rated our 2nd best defender in the POTS voting. Tete, Aina and/or Robinson may have come ahead of him too. All we know is he had better players in front of him, behind him, and alongside him.
You're quite right that he's rated by plenty of Fulham supporters. Although I think that somewhat trumped by the fact that no other club was prepared to pay his £10m release fee.
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
Hmmm, even our defence was bottom 8 quality last year and that was with Aerola, Anderson and DM Reed coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the POTS vote. So for Tosin I'm not sure being one of the weakest members of one of the weakest defences constitutes "proving his chops". On the rare occasions that a relegated club's player is deemed to be PL quality and worth £20m+ it's almost invariably where that player was the best in the team.
By your own calcs, he was our second best defender in a team that finished 12th out of 20 in the league for number of goals conceded ("bottom 8" sounds better for your take on things, granted).
From game 10 onwards (when we settled on our best defence and defensive system), we let in 34 in 28 games - that is not shipping goals at an alarming rate by standards of any teams outside of the top 4. He played in pretty much every game during that period so he played a large part in that stat. He certainly was not highlighted by anyone as being "carried" in the Prem.
He also received positive match ratings and reviews for his own repformances during those 28 games on a regular and fairly consistent basis, even if we did not always pick up the results.
How is that "one of the weakest defenders" in our team?
So, individually as a defender over a 28-game period I'd say the facts, stats and reviews show he's proven himself to be a PL quality defender and worth more than £15m. As do my eyes and plenty of other Fulham supporters who I know/ come on here, never mind the neutrals who share that opinion.
"12th out of 20" may sound better for your take on things but of course 13th would be more accurate.
And we don't know he was rated our 2nd best defender in the POTS voting. Tete, Aina and/or Robinson may have come ahead of him too. All we know is he had better players in front of him, behind him, and alongside him.
You're quite right that he's rated by plenty of Fulham supporters. Although I think that somewhat trumped by the fact that no other club was prepared to pay his £10m release fee.
12th... 13th... still mid table Premier league standards in terms of Defence.
Wherever he may have come in the POTS is irrelevant to the 2 main points being debated:
- Tosin being prem quality
- Tosin being worth to us more than £15m or not
I'm saying the general consensus (his individual match ratings, reviews, stats of GOALS CONCEDED, as well as general majority opinion) points to him being Prem quality and worth more than £15m. Just because no one picked him up during that specific (and relatively narrow window) doesn't mean anything regards his monetary value to us nor his ability - all that does is reflect the current financial environment in football caused by COVID.
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
Hmmm, even our defence was bottom 8 quality last year and that was with Aerola, Anderson and DM Reed coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the POTS vote. So for Tosin I'm not sure being one of the weakest members of one of the weakest defences constitutes "proving his chops". On the rare occasions that a relegated club's player is deemed to be PL quality and worth £20m+ it's almost invariably where that player was the best in the team.
He has a new manager to work with now. People moaned that Parker didn't improve anyone other than Reed, so who knows, Mr Silva and team might turn him into the next Virgil Van Dijk. Or maybe Dick, but hopefully not.
It's purile I know but I'm disappointed that there are no 'Tosin off' jokes on this thread.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
12th... 13th... still mid table Premier league standards in terms of Defence.
Wherever he may have come in the POTS is irrelevant to the 2 main points being debated:
- Tosin being prem quality
- Tosin being worth to us more than £15m or not
I'm saying the general consensus (his individual match ratings, reviews, stats of GOALS CONCEDED, as well as general majority opinion) points to him being Prem quality and worth more than £15m. Just because no one picked him up during that specific (and relatively narrow window) doesn't mean anything regards his monetary value to us nor his ability - all that does is reflect the current financial environment in football caused by COVID.
Well I'm not sure you can logically say the fans' POTS vote is irrelevant... and then cite "majority opinion" as evidence.
In any case looking at match ratings/stats on WhoScored yields a similar result. They have him ranked below Areola, Anderson and Robinson in the back 5.
Also not sure how what other clubs are prepared to pay for him can be irrelevant to his value. They are one and the same. If no one was prepared to buy him for £10m then ipso facto he isn't worth £10m. Really any discussion about his value should end there.
All that said, I don't want to continue this to the extent it sounds like I'm slagging him off. I don't think he's inherently better than Hector, Kongolo or Mawson, but given the latter two are made of glass, I expect Tosin to be in the starting XI this season and think he's at least solid Championship top 6 quality. He's also the youngest so the most likely to improve.
Quote from: The Old Count on July 20, 2021, 04:53:18 PM
It's purile I know but I'm disappointed that there are no 'Tosin off' jokes on this thread.
You had better ask Master Bateman
Quote from: The Old Count on July 20, 2021, 04:53:18 PM
It's purile I know but I'm disappointed that there are no 'Tosin off' jokes on this thread.
Well I suppose there is now and you're right it's puerile.
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 04:58:16 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
12th... 13th... still mid table Premier league standards in terms of Defence.
Wherever he may have come in the POTS is irrelevant to the 2 main points being debated:
- Tosin being prem quality
- Tosin being worth to us more than £15m or not
I'm saying the general consensus (his individual match ratings, reviews, stats of GOALS CONCEDED, as well as general majority opinion) points to him being Prem quality and worth more than £15m. Just because no one picked him up during that specific (and relatively narrow window) doesn't mean anything regards his monetary value to us nor his ability - all that does is reflect the current financial environment in football caused by COVID.
Well I'm not sure you can logically say the fans' POTS vote is irrelevant... and then cite "majority opinion" as evidence.
In any case looking at match ratings/stats on WhoScored yields a similar result. They have him ranked below Areola, Anderson and Robinson in the back 5.
Also not sure how what other clubs are prepared to pay for him can be irrelevant to his value. They are one and the same. If no one was prepared to buy him for £10m then ipso facto he isn't worth £10m. Really any discussion about his value should end there.
All that said, I don't want to continue this to the extent it sounds like I'm slagging him off. I don't think he's inherently better than Hector, Kongolo or Mawson, but given the latter two are made of glass, I expect Tosin to be in the starting XI this season and think he's at least solid Championship top 6 quality. He's also the youngest so the most likely to improve.
You can absolutely do that as we are assessing Tosin's ability as an inidividual and whether he's PL quality. The evidence points him being so.
He ranked behind Areola (definite PL and international quality), Andersson (definite PL and international quality) and Robinson (previously AC Milan bound and international quality)? So that means he;s not PL quality? Of course it doesn't.
Your ipso facto £10m arguement is a massive red herring and you know it. No one bid for Messi so is he worth nothing? Come on, you can do better than that.
Again, we are talking about his monetary value TO US - i.e. the threshold at what we should consider selling him at. Given he has proven he can perform in the Prem (he has proven it) and fees other players have gone for in boeadly similar brackets, my opinion - and seems most others - he is worth more than £15m
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
You can absolutely do that as we are assessing Tosin's ability as an inidividual and whether he's PL quality. The evidence points him being so.
"The evidence"... excluding stats/match ratings/fan votes/popular opinion which are inconclusive as discussed. Happy to hear more evidence if you have any.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
He ranked behind Areola (definite PL and international quality), Andersson (definite PL and international quality) and Robinson (previously AC Milan bound and international quality)? So that means he;s not PL quality? Of course it doesn't.
Robinson being PL quality is also highly questionnable FWIW... but in any case, the fact that Tosin was surrounded by "definite PL quality" players last year reinforces my suggestion that his personal impact on our decent (albeit still not brilliant) defensive record was probably minimal.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
Your ipso facto £10m arguement is a massive red herring and you know it. No one bid for Messi so is he worth nothing? Come on, you can do better than that.
Again, we are talking about his monetary value TO US - i.e. the threshold at what we should consider selling him at. Given he has proven he can perform in the Prem (he has proven it) and fees other players have gone for in boeadly similar brackets, my opinion - and seems most others - he is worth more than £15m
I'm quite sure the reasons for Messi not moving were prohibitive wages and/or him actually wanting to stay at Barcelona, neither of which would have applied to Tosin.
As to value "to us", well that's a pretty meaningless concept. I thought we were debating his objective market value. You can of course make up whatever other unsubstantiated metric you want, just like I can say Mitrovic is worth £100m "to us" because that's what I feel in my head. Not sure it counts for much though.
Think we've exhausted this discussion now so shall leave it there.
Quote from: Statto on July 20, 2021, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
You can absolutely do that as we are assessing Tosin's ability as an inidividual and whether he's PL quality. The evidence points him being so.
"The evidence"... excluding stats/match ratings/fan votes/popular opinion which are inconclusive as discussed. Happy to hear more evidence if you have any.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
He ranked behind Areola (definite PL and international quality), Andersson (definite PL and international quality) and Robinson (previously AC Milan bound and international quality)? So that means he;s not PL quality? Of course it doesn't.
Robinson being PL quality is also highly questionnable FWIW... but in any case, the fact that Tosin was surrounded by "definite PL quality" players last year reinforces my suggestion that his personal impact on our decent (albeit still not brilliant) defensive record was probably minimal.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 20, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
Your ipso facto £10m arguement is a massive red herring and you know it. No one bid for Messi so is he worth nothing? Come on, you can do better than that.
Again, we are talking about his monetary value TO US - i.e. the threshold at what we should consider selling him at. Given he has proven he can perform in the Prem (he has proven it) and fees other players have gone for in boeadly similar brackets, my opinion - and seems most others - he is worth more than £15m
I'm quite sure the reasons for Messi not moving were prohibitive wages and/or him actually wanting to stay at Barcelona, neither of which would have applied to Tosin.
As to value "to us", well that's a pretty meaningless concept. I thought we were debating his objective market value. You can of course make up whatever other unsubstantiated metric you want, just like I can say Mitrovic is worth £100m "to us" because that's what I feel in my head. Not sure it counts for much though.
Think we've exhausted this discussion now so shall leave it there.
1. - I think the ratings of thousands of people and opinions of the majority of multiple professional football pundits over that 28-game period will do fine to back up my view over yours thanks. You can get semantic over the use of the word "evidence" but this is a football forum, not a court of law, so I stand by all of my "evidence" to support my view.
2 - I refute that him playing with other good defenders does absolutely nothing to reinforce your suggestion his contribution was minimal. Again - please refer to all other sources of information and feedback on his performances to show that he played a positive part in us having a respctable, premier league standard defence.
3 - Point being no one (reportedly) bid for Messi - whatever the reason (FWIW the fact he said openly and publicly he wants to leave Barca and then accepted a 50% pay cut to stay reinforces the reports no one bid for him rather than he primarily wanted to stay) - doesn't mean he is worth less than free, same way no one bidding £10m on Tosin within a one-month period doesn't mean he is worth less than £10m.
How can his value to us be a meaningless concept? We were debating what the threshold figure should be whereby we would be content in Fulham selling him. Based on the widely held opinion that he did well at Prem level / what others in a similar bracket ability/potential/age/contract length wise went for, we should old out for more than £15m or keep him because based on last season's performances/the fragility of Mawson and Kongolo, he is our best CB.
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 20, 2021, 04:59:33 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on July 20, 2021, 04:53:18 PM
It's purile I know but I'm disappointed that there are no 'Tosin off' jokes on this thread.
You had better ask Master Bateman
Lol
Tosin not better than Mawson ! I disagree. Don't need stats .. I have eyes.
Palace just bought Guehi for a £20m deal all in when he hasn't performed at PL level.
That is basically the minimum price for Toisin.
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 20, 2021, 10:45:58 PM
Tosin not better than Mawson ! I disagree. Don't need stats .. I have eyes.
Agreed, his form did slip away a bit towards the end of the season but then so did the entire team's. I saw enough to rate him as a Prem standard defender and a clear starting option for us in the Championship.
If he could improve his heading ability 'offensively', could easily get 9 / 10 goals each season, has the ability, similar to Soucek.
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Quote from: Whitesideup on July 20, 2021, 10:45:58 PM
Tosin not better than Mawson ! I disagree. Don't need stats .. I have eyes.
Agreed, his form did slip away a bit towards the end of the season but then so did the entire team's. I saw enough to rate him as a Prem standard defender and a clear starting option for us in the Championship.
Let's not forget, he was playing the wrong side too a lot of last season. He prefers playing RCB and was playing LCB. Which makes a massive difference. Mawson wasn't the same player when he plays RCB rather than his preferred LCB position
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Quote from: Whitesideup on July 20, 2021, 10:45:58 PM
Tosin not better than Mawson ! I disagree. Don't need stats .. I have eyes.
Agreed, his form did slip away a bit towards the end of the season but then so did the entire team's. I saw enough to rate him as a Prem standard defender and a clear starting option for us in the Championship.
Let's not forget, he was playing the wrong side too a lot of last season. He prefers playing RCB and was playing LCB. Which makes a massive difference. Mawson wasn't the same player when he plays RCB rather than his preferred LCB position
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing. I would keep Ream and Hector as reserves for these two positions.
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 20, 2021, 10:45:58 PM
Tosin not better than Mawson ! I disagree. Don't need stats .. I have eyes.
I don't disagree that the Mawson of 3.5 seasons ago pre-serious kneee injury was better - I had really high hopes for him when we signed him. It's just a shame that his knee seems determined to fall off at the faintest touch. He has been absolutely blighted since 2018 now - while I genuinely hope he comes good for us, the longer the knee issues go on, the chances of him reaching anywhere near his potential sadly diminish. Based on that alone, i'd say Tosin is by far the better prospect of going on to play regular top flight football.
Would be absolutely delighted if Mawson could turn it around though as there is a real player in there beneath the wobbly knees.
Quote from: Jules on July 21, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing.
Fully agree this would be ideal IF Mawson fit. Hector and Ream at Champ level are class options too so we are well stacked in this area.
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 21, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 21, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing.
Fully agree this would be ideal IF Mawson fit. Hector and Ream at Champ level are class options too so we are well stacked in this area.
Let's not forget Kongolo, who I would argue is possibly the best CB we've got when fit!
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 21, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 21, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing.
Fully agree this would be ideal IF Mawson fit. Hector and Ream at Champ level are class options too so we are well stacked in this area.
Let's not forget Kongolo, who I would argue is possibly the best CB we've got when fit!
Completely forgot about Kongolo for a second! We must have by far the best and deepest stack of CBs in the Champ. IF Mawson and Kongolo stay fit Silva will have a major headache when it comes to selecting the best pair (can't get a bigger IF than that mind you). Will be hugely interesting to see who gets the nod.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 09:31:49 AM
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Quote from: Jules on July 21, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing.
Fully agree this would be ideal IF Mawson fit. Hector and Ream at Champ level are class options too so we are well stacked in this area.
Let's not forget Kongolo, who I would argue is possibly the best CB we've got when fit!
I just hope he stays fit as I think he could prove to be one of the best bargain buys we've ever seen at the club. Family are Feyenoord fans and rate him really highly.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 09:31:49 AM
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 21, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 21, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing.
Fully agree this would be ideal IF Mawson fit. Hector and Ream at Champ level are class options too so we are well stacked in this area.
Let's not forget Kongolo, who I would argue is possibly the best CB we've got when fit!
Depends as always on whether you judge the player on their form when fit and/or before joining Fulham, or just on what you've seen of them in a Fulham shirt with your own eyes.
I agree with others that on the latter metric, Tosin is probably our best CB along with Hector.
If you're going on how good they were before joining us and disregarding injuries, yes Kongolo would probably be the best, followed by Mawson (who was also excellent at Bristol for about ten games last season) but then on that measure, Knockaert and Seri would also be fantastic players.
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Quote from: Jules on July 21, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
I agree, and if (and it's a big IF) Mawson can stay fit, I would play him LCB and Tosin RCB as our first choice pairing.
Fully agree this would be ideal IF Mawson fit. Hector and Ream at Champ level are class options too so we are well stacked in this area.
Let's not forget Kongolo, who I would argue is possibly the best CB we've got when fit!
I just hope he stays fit as I think he could prove to be one of the best bargain buys we've ever seen at the club. Family are Feyenoord fans and rate him really highly.
Agree on Kongolo - at his best he has shown real quality but a sequence, rather the odd injury would worry me if I were Silva.
If fit Kongolo LCB & Tosin RCB are our best option. I'm happy to give Mawson another chance albeit I cannot get his dreadful performance at Deepdale out of my mind. Similarly Hector who started last January looking every inch a class Prem CB but after Lockdown 1 had turned into a gibbering wreck way before the Prem loomed
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2021, 10:22:11 AM
Depends as always on whether you judge the player on their form when fit and/or before joining Fulham, or just on what you've seen of them in a Fulham shirt with your own eyes.
I agree with others that on the latter metric, Tosin is probably our best CB along with Hector.
If you're going on how good they were before joining us and disregarding injuries, yes Kongolo would probably be the best, followed by Mawson (who was also excellent at Bristol for about ten games last season) but then on that measure, Knockaert and Seri would also be fantastic players.
Agree with all of that.
Quote from: JimOG on July 21, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
Similarly Hector who started last January looking every inch a class Prem CB but after Lockdown 1 had turned into a gibbering wreck way before the Prem loomed
The whole team was a gibbering wreck when we came back from lockdown #1 and got spanked by Brentford, then Leeds. Not sure why but rumours IIRC were that other clubs were more inventive than us in finding ways to keep the players fit and supervised whilst in isolation. But after that, for the last 10 games (inc play-offs) we were defensively very solid.
