Really good today. Was surprised. He was great and slotted Fabio through and you just know when Carvalho is 1 on 1 he's slottin it. Game was boring but that piece of magic made my day. 2 best players today.
Good to hear. Hopefully see more of them.
I got the impression we were strolling through today's game but it worries me Mitro looks some way off match fitness.
Quote from: SP on July 31, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
I got the impression we were strolling through today's game but it worries me Mitro looks some way off match fitness.
So good to see Francois and Cavalho perform so well today but the Mitro performance was a big disappointment. Mitro was a problem for Parker last season just hope he is not becoming Silva's problem this season.
It's always good to see young players take a step up and look able to make it. I remember Paul Parker, Robert Wilson, Dean Coney & Leroy Rosenior coming through to claim first team places and there has not been enough over the last few years. Sess was exciting I know Betts in goal and now Rodak but being one of our own adds to the excitement
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Quote from: SP on July 31, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
I got the impression we were strolling through today's game but it worries me Mitro looks some way off match fitness.
So good to see Francois and Cavalho perform so well today but the Mitro performance was a big disappointment. Mitro was a problem for Parker last season just hope he is not becoming Silva's problem this season.
Maybe him bend Parker falling out (allegedly) has made Mitro not train as hard. But, also, this is exactly what pre seasons are for.
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I got the impression we were strolling through today's game but it worries me Mitro looks some way off match fitness.
So good to see Francois and Cavalho perform so well today but the Mitro performance was a big disappointment. Mitro was a problem for Parker last season just hope he is not becoming Silva's problem this season.
Maybe him bend Parker falling out (allegedly) has made Mitro not train as hard. But, also, this is exactly what pre seasons are for.
The worry for me is that a week from the first game the fitness levels should be almost there?
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Quote from: SP on July 31, 2021, 09:36:09 PM
I got the impression we were strolling through today's game but it worries me Mitro looks some way off match fitness.
So good to see Francois and Cavalho perform so well today but the Mitro performance was a big disappointment. Mitro was a problem for Parker last season just hope he is not becoming Silva's problem this season.
Maybe him bend Parker falling out (allegedly) has made Mitro not train as hard. But, also, this is exactly what pre seasons are for.
The worry for me is that a week from the first game the fitness levels should be almost there?
Exactly....I know there's still time in this transfer window but adding a 20 year old Muniz to a Mitro who really has been a shadow of his former self for a 50 + game season looks unwise.
I haven't seen the highlights yet but I was concerned by the industrial challenge in Mitro, looked nasty. Surprised there was no card for that one?
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I haven't seen the highlights yet but I was concerned by the industrial challenge in Mitro, looked nasty. Surprised there was no card for that one?
Agreed, that cage fighter who carried out the atrocity jumped up and ran away. Bit of a worry how our two young un's would survive that sort of attack.
I don't think Mitro's performance was as bad as some people are making out. In the first half he got in 3/4 really good positions and was let down by the final pass that would've seen him played in. He also looked up for the battle with the Charlton CB's which isn't something we saw much of last season. Also worth noting that he had two weeks fewer pre-season than everyone else due to him being off on his honeymoon and then having to isolate
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 01, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
I don't think Mitro's performance was as bad as some people are making out. In the first half he got in 3/4 really good positions and was let down by the final pass that would've seen him played in. He also looked up for the battle with the Charlton CB's which isn't something we saw much of last season. Also worth noting that he had two weeks fewer pre-season than everyone else due to him being off on his honeymoon and then having to isolate
:plus one:
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I don't think Mitro's performance was as bad as some people are making out. In the first half he got in 3/4 really good positions and was let down by the final pass that would've seen him played in. He also looked up for the battle with the Charlton CB's which isn't something we saw much of last season. Also worth noting that he had two weeks fewer pre-season than everyone else due to him being off on his honeymoon and then having to isolate
:plus one:
If it's a fitness problem, which it seems it is, then it's easily overcome by training and playing.
Didn't see the gane but think Mitrovic is beginning to fall into that category with Dembele II and Anguissa where his body language seems to make people think he's unfit or not trying, to some extent erroneously. Been reading on here that he's unfit for about 18 months now...
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I don't think Mitro's performance was as bad as some people are making out. In the first half he got in 3/4 really good positions and was let down by the final pass that would've seen him played in. He also looked up for the battle with the Charlton CB's which isn't something we saw much of last season. Also worth noting that he had two weeks fewer pre-season than everyone else due to him being off on his honeymoon and then having to isolate
:plus one:
If it's a fitness problem, which it seems it is, then it's easily overcome by training and playing.
While at 50+ minus thought Mitro looked out of it he carried on for the full 90. In fact in the latter stages he seemed to get second wind and was more involved. Got into the box and unlucky the ball in didn't reach him.
Thought the Charlton centre half was a big piece of work and Mitro would have been hard pushed to bully him although he tried.
Back to the original thread, thought Tyrese was excellent and played a lot of nice stuff, the ball through to Fabio was brilliant as was the run to get on the end of it.
Agree thought he looked really excellent actually, very content to recycle possession well and look for a forward pass. Hopefully we'll see a lot more of him this season
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I don't think Mitro's performance was as bad as some people are making out. In the first half he got in 3/4 really good positions and was let down by the final pass that would've seen him played in. He also looked up for the battle with the Charlton CB's which isn't something we saw much of last season. Also worth noting that he had two weeks fewer pre-season than everyone else due to him being off on his honeymoon and then having to isolate
:plus one:
If it's a fitness problem, which it seems it is, then it's easily overcome by training and playing.
While at 50+ minus thought Mitro looked out of it he carried on for the full 90. In fact in the latter stages he seemed to get second wind and was more involved. Got into the box and unlucky the ball in didn't reach him.
Thought the Charlton centre half was a big piece of work and Mitro would have been hard pushed to bully him although he tried.
Back to the original thread, thought Tyrese was excellent and played a lot of nice stuff, the ball through to Fabio was brilliant as was the run to get on the end of it.
Mitro like all players, wouldn't want to risk injury in a friendly, though he showed quite a bit of commitment as it was, and pushed one of their players away in the second half altercation, and i was hoping he wouldn't get a card.
Agree that he did seem to get a second wind later in the game.
Also agree about Tyrone - great game, and seemed to have an understanding with Carvalho.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 01, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
I don't think Mitro's performance was as bad as some people are making out. In the first half he got in 3/4 really good positions and was let down by the final pass that would've seen him played in. He also looked up for the battle with the Charlton CB's which isn't something we saw much of last season. Also worth noting that he had two weeks fewer pre-season than everyone else due to him being off on his honeymoon and then having to isolate
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I got the impression we were strolling through today's game but it worries me Mitro looks some way off match fitness.
So good to see Francois and Cavalho perform so well today but the Mitro performance was a big disappointment. Mitro was a problem for Parker last season just hope he is not becoming Silva's problem this season.
Maybe him bend Parker falling out (allegedly) has made Mitro not train as hard. But, also, this is exactly what pre seasons are for.
The worry for me is that a week from the first game the fitness levels should be almost there?
Nah, looked like a typical Mitro performance to me. He is not quite 90 minutes fit and a bit rusty. He has not played much in the past 6 months and had an extended offseason, so not a bit surprising to me.
I did like that the wide players seemed to have a renewed focus on getting crosses in toward him.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 31, 2021, 09:17:12 PM
Really good today. Was surprised. He was great and slotted Fabio through and you just know when Carvalho is 1 on 1 he's slottin it. Game was boring but that piece of magic made my day. 2 best players today.
He was. When he came in for the cameo at the end of last season at LB, I did not see a future 1st team player in him. As a deep lying midfielder though, loved his work rate and range of passing. That through ball to Fabio was outstanding.
As an Aussie, great to see Ty doing well, and hopefully he can continue to grow and develop as the season goes on!
I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
Quote from: Statto on August 01, 2021, 11:16:24 AM
Didn't see the gane but think Mitrovic is beginning to fall into that category with Dembele II and Anguissa where his body language seems to make people think he's unfit or not trying, to some extent erroneously. Been reading on here that he's unfit for about 18 months now...
Actually, I think he's been a little off the pace since the Hull game in our last promotion season (https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2020/january/13/90-minutes-hull-city/). He scored 5 more goals that season after the injury...but I don't think he's looked the same since then.
He's still good enough to get goals with the right service, and he can get goals with his national team. Maybe I'm reading more into it than I should.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 01, 2021, 07:33:08 PM
I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
You need to seriously consider going on loan yourself.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
You need to seriously consider going on loan yourself.
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 01, 2021, 07:33:08 PM
I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Perhaps you could explain your rationale because from what I have seen of Carvalho so far leads me to believe that the best place for him to develop would be the Fulham first team squad.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
You worked all that out from 3 starts in dead rubber matches?
Reminds of this time two years ago when we all thought Steven Sessegnon was going to be better than Ryan
Carvalho is an unknown quantity right now. Chances of him being a regular in the starting XI this year are pretty slim.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
You worked all that out from 3 starts in dead rubber matches?
Reminds of this time two years ago when we all thought Steven Sessegnon was going to be better than Ryan
Carvalho is an unknown quantity right now. Chances of him being a regular in the starting XI this year are pretty slim.
Blind faith, and I'm open to being wrong. I like his movement, final product...and he's an academy player. Hoping the best for him.
Very good prospect we need to get him signing a new deal with us
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
You worked all that out from 3 starts in dead rubber matches?
Reminds of this time two years ago when we all thought Steven Sessegnon was going to be better than Ryan
Carvalho is an unknown quantity right now. Chances of him being a regular in the starting XI this year are pretty slim.
Blind faith, and I'm open to being wrong. I like his movement, final product...and he's an academy player. Hoping the best for him.
Carvalho and Francois can sign contracts with other clubs in January, the amount of benefit these players will add to our team assuming they leave at the end of the year is very little.
Three good games followed by two shockers is likely to be their trend for the season, so the good games would have to be brilliant to make it worth it to play them.
At the moment, they are scheduled to get a chance to prove themselves in the championship, but in reality not enough game time to worry about getting injured and sign five year contact with us as their insurance for their development. But if they are going to sit on the bench for 5 month, better to move on a free transfer signed in January.
Instead, we should offer both of them a five year contract and loan them out for 30-40 games this season, this will develop them the most and knowing they have five year contract is good for them too.
If they don't sign five year contracts, then we need to sell them immediately, no point benching them until they can leave for free.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
You worked all that out from 3 starts in dead rubber matches?
Reminds of this time two years ago when we all thought Steven Sessegnon was going to be better than Ryan
Carvalho is an unknown quantity right now. Chances of him being a regular in the starting XI this year are pretty slim.
Blind faith, and I'm open to being wrong. I like his movement, final product...and he's an academy player. Hoping the best for him.
Carvalho and Francois can sign contracts with other clubs in January, the amount of benefit these players will add to our team assuming they leave at the end of the year is very little.
Three good games followed by two shockers is likely to be their trend for the season, so the good games would have to be brilliant to make it worth it to play them.
At the moment, they are scheduled to get a chance to prove themselves in the championship, but in reality not enough game time to worry about getting injured and sign five year contact with us as their insurance for their development. But if they are going to sit on the bench for 5 month, better to move on a free transfer signed in January.
Instead, we should offer both of them a five year contract and loan them out for 30-40 games this season, this will develop them the most and knowing they have five year contract is good for them too.
If they don't sign five year contracts, then we need to sell them immediately, no point benching them until they can leave for free.
They will get plenty of chances to play so why loan them out? It weakens our squad. If they feel they will have a chance to play I'm sure both will sign new contracts and I expect that to happen.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
You worked all that out from 3 starts in dead rubber matches?
Reminds of this time two years ago when we all thought Steven Sessegnon was going to be better than Ryan
Carvalho is an unknown quantity right now. Chances of him being a regular in the starting XI this year are pretty slim.
Blind faith, and I'm open to being wrong. I like his movement, final product...and he's an academy player. Hoping the best for him.
Carvalho and Francois can sign contracts with other clubs in January, the amount of benefit these players will add to our team assuming they leave at the end of the year is very little.
Three good games followed by two shockers is likely to be their trend for the season, so the good games would have to be brilliant to make it worth it to play them.
At the moment, they are scheduled to get a chance to prove themselves in the championship, but in reality not enough game time to worry about getting injured and sign five year contact with us as their insurance for their development. But if they are going to sit on the bench for 5 month, better to move on a free transfer signed in January.
Instead, we should offer both of them a five year contract and loan them out for 30-40 games this season, this will develop them the most and knowing they have five year contract is good for them too.
If they don't sign five year contracts, then we need to sell them immediately, no point benching them until they can leave for free.
They will get plenty of chances to play so why loan them out? It weakens our squad. If they feel they will have a chance to play I'm sure both will sign new contracts and I expect that to happen.
Why not let them develop at Fulham, they have come through the ranks on merit so far, why stop now.
If we had just signed them both for five million quid from Two Bob Rovers in the second Division of the Mongolian League. Some who want them shoved out on loan would be saying, what great signings they should be in the starting eleven.
Instead because they have come through the academy you are saying then farm them out to another team where they will be forgotten and then snapped up by another club, at the best that's tunnel vision, at the worst it is cobblers.
They are not unknown quantities.
Why are some on here shying away from them playing regularly and trying to send them out on loan.
Ludicrous.
What we have seen from these 2 and cameo from Stansfield prevviously is GENUINE TALENT
Don't be afraid of it !
Why spend money on new tranfers and loans and mess around with Knock, Cavaleiro and a couple of others.
Silva will give these 3 'kids' a chance and we will (I believe) reap the rewards.
Enjoy them
I think these two players will feature strongly in and around the first team this season - great homegrown products.
They won't get any more minutes that Steven Sessegnon in 2019/20, which is not great for there development and won't get them signing a new contract. They will sit on the bench til January and sign with whoever offers the most.
Carvalho has a strong chance of being in the starting 11 this season.
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I throughly we needed 3 signings this summer CM , ACM and a second striker though in Carvalho and Francois we may already have two of the three.
I think it's best for Carvalho and Francois to go loan, they will both lose some points due to experience.
Why does Carvalho need to go on loan? I'd start him over most our attacking players. Definitely over Kebano, Knock or BDR. We don't lose anything in our attack when he plays.
You worked all that out from 3 starts in dead rubber matches?
Reminds of this time two years ago when we all thought Steven Sessegnon was going to be better than Ryan
Carvalho is an unknown quantity right now. Chances of him being a regular in the starting XI this year are pretty slim.
Blind faith, and I'm open to being wrong. I like his movement, final product...and he's an academy player. Hoping the best for him.
Carvalho and Francois can sign contracts with other clubs in January, the amount of benefit these players will add to our team assuming they leave at the end of the year is very little.
Three good games followed by two shockers is likely to be their trend for the season, so the good games would have to be brilliant to make it worth it to play them.
At the moment, they are scheduled to get a chance to prove themselves in the championship, but in reality not enough game time to worry about getting injured and sign five year contact with us as their insurance for their development. But if they are going to sit on the bench for 5 month, better to move on a free transfer signed in January.
Instead, we should offer both of them a five year contract and loan them out for 30-40 games this season, this will develop them the most and knowing they have five year contract is good for them too.
If they don't sign five year contracts, then we need to sell them immediately, no point benching them until they can leave for free.
Players under the age of 23 aren't allowed to sign pre-contractual agreements, they'd have to get to the end of their contract before being able to negotiate with any other club.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 03, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
They won't get any more minutes that Steven Sessegnon in 2019/20, which is not great for there development and won't get them signing a new contract. They will sit on the bench til January and sign with whoever offers the most.
I hope you're wrong as they both show a lot of talent. For what it's worth I felt Sess deserved more game time back then, but he made some errors which cost him.
Francois & Carvalho are the breath of fresh air we need. They will become top players under Silva & not slogging it out in the lower leagues on loan.
