When Gaza,s long kick put him through and he went down on the edge of the box, I can't find a replay on it but fail to see why he would go down in a near one to one with the keeper.
It was a foul, if the ref gives a foul he has to send their defender off too.
Yes the referee bottled it, as did the lino on the far side who had an even better view. If that had happened on the halfway line the referee would have blown for a free kick.
When you see both (well really all three angles) of the foul, it was entirely intentional. The defender, Pedersen I believe, knows he won't be catching Wilson and not only pushes him over from behind but also puts his left hand on Harry's shoulder and pulls back to get him off balance before he puts his hands up as if he did nothing. It was blatant and the referees (all involved) were horrendous.
Meanwhile they're guy Chong was replicating his hair flopping about all game.
Have yet to see that one, looked like ref bottled our penalty when he didn't book the Brum player. Need a better look but could have been a red card.
General opinion on Wilson is what a player, must be buy of the season if he carries on in this vein. Liked him for Wales in the Euros and even better in a Fulham shirt.
Wilson has made a huge difference to our play. Good with the ball ,but more importantly times his runs forwards and gets in behind defenses with his reading of the game and pace. Got in behind 5 times last night.(?)
This not only gives us a greater attacking threat but is also an option for both midfield ,defenders GK when under pressure. In fact it means teams dont dare to press us in quite the same way. If teams can take out mitros abillity to link up our play by screening him (as Blackpool did ) then our midfielder and defenders can choose to play out wide , but with Wilson (and carvahlo) hit balls beyond our opponents defense.
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
Don't feed the trolls.
Wilson brings that rare thing nowadays called composure. In todays football you see so many players fluff their lines or snatch at opportunities. We have and had our fair few at Fulham whose legs go to jelly when they are one on one with just goalie to beat and defender/s breathing down there necks.
Out of current squad i would only back Wilson and perhaps Carvalho to score goals similar to Harry's goal last night.
If the ref had given us that free kick he would have had to consider a red card for the offender, he bottled it.
If Wilson had dived he would have first taken a further step to ensure he was in the penalty area.
Wilson has pace, can score goals and can take corners, we need him if we are to continue to win matches.
He brings a class, composure and finesse to the side that has been missing since Cairney's knee went. However he has more pace, and more goals in him than Cairney so provided he stays fit will prove to be a great signing.....
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 16, 2021, 01:25:02 PM
Don't feed the trolls.
I agree. Thus far he's been a huge success, we get forward at more effectively with him playing. He's great at finding space and took his goal well yesterday.
Oh yes, and it was a clear foul which should have resulted in a free kick just outside the box plus a card (probably red).
Quote from: Bill2 on September 16, 2021, 01:06:35 PM
Have yet to see that one, looked like ref bottled our penalty when he didn't book the Brum player. Need a better look but could have been a red card.
General opinion on Wilson is what a player, must be buy of the season if he carries on in this vein. Liked him for Wales in the Euros and even better in a Fulham shirt.
Having seen several replays of the penalty, I think there player was lucky not to be sent off. Chalobah was through on goal and their defender did not make an attempt to play the ball just tugged him back
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
Haha. Choosing to take that as sarcasm. Makes you more enjoyable to have here and suggests you're funny.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
Can I just check why you think he's injury prone? He's only missed 1 game because of injury and that was because he got flattened whilst playing international duty
If we had had him last season rather than RLC we would still be in the premier league....
Quote from: Max Headroom on September 16, 2021, 03:45:25 PM
If we had had him last season rather than RLC we would still be in the premier league....
With Parker's style, and the atmosphere around the team (based on assumptions and reports), debatable.
Enjoyed a couple of beers last night with a Cardiff season ticket holder and inevitably the topic came up. We weren't watching the match.
He's clearly on a hot streak, wingers have them. And I'd love to be proven wrong, but on the very limited occasions when I have seen him live, the player who he most reminds me of is Alex Kacanaclic. He had this tendency to position himself for maximum chances of breakaway glory and far fewer chances of helping a beleaguered full back. My Cardiff supporting colleague confirmed that's his game and in a team like Cardiff it didn't really work, everyone needed to muck in equally. He speculated that perhaps Fulham could afford the luxury of playing him. In my experience luxury players become problematic in the long run.
So, for me the jury is out, but it's very early days. The stats don't lie, he's doing plenty right but there's room for improvement.
All I know he will be the difference between us going up automatically instead of the playoffs
Quote from: Carborundum on September 16, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
Enjoyed a couple of beers last night with a Cardiff season ticket holder and inevitably the topic came up. We weren't watching the match.
He's clearly on a hot streak, wingers have them. And I'd love to be proven wrong, but on the very limited occasions when I have seen him live, the player who he most reminds me of is Alex Kacanaclic. He had this tendency to position himself for maximum chances of breakaway glory and far fewer chances of helping a beleaguered full back. My Cardiff supporting colleague confirmed that's his game and in a team like Cardiff it didn't really work, everyone needed to muck in equally. He speculated that perhaps Fulham could afford the luxury of playing him. In my experience luxury players become problematic in the long run.
So, for me the jury is out, but it's very early days. The stats don't lie, he's doing plenty right but there's room for improvement.
Did you watch his defensive work rate at home to Stoke? Or his tracking back last night? I don't think anyone can question is defensive work rate. Works very hard tracking back so far
I personally reckon he is fantastic. Times MOST of his runs to perfection and will only get better.
Opinions on Wilson?
Excellent player. One thing I especially like about him is that he seems to have great instincts and football 'smarts', positioning, etc. And the kid knows how to "finish", something that has lacked in our squad for some time now. Put him and Carvalho on the pitch at the same time, you've got a real FFC offensive threat, young, energetic, pacey, smart, finishers. Hope FFC can keep them both in the team.
3 goals, 2 assists for us this season. 7 goals, 12 assists for Cardiff last season. That's not luxury territory in my mind. That's nailed on starter/difference maker territory.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on September 16, 2021, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Carborundum on September 16, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
Enjoyed a couple of beers last night with a Cardiff season ticket holder and inevitably the topic came up. We weren't watching the match.
He's clearly on a hot streak, wingers have them. And I'd love to be proven wrong, but on the very limited occasions when I have seen him live, the player who he most reminds me of is Alex Kacanaclic. He had this tendency to position himself for maximum chances of breakaway glory and far fewer chances of helping a beleaguered full back. My Cardiff supporting colleague confirmed that's his game and in a team like Cardiff it didn't really work, everyone needed to muck in equally. He speculated that perhaps Fulham could afford the luxury of playing him. In my experience luxury players become problematic in the long run.
So, for me the jury is out, but it's very early days. The stats don't lie, he's doing plenty right but there's room for improvement.
Did you watch his defensive work rate at home to Stoke? Or his tracking back last night? I don't think anyone can question is defensive work rate. Works very hard tracking back so far
Stoke game yes, last night I was on a train. As I said, limited direct exposure and I don't trust TV camera directors to give me the full story. My Cardiff supporting colleague, dare I say it, knows his football. His assessment is based on a full season. Well almost a full season because after a bright start HW's selection tailed off I gather.
I think he's our best forward player personally. Watching him and Fabio Cav play together when they're on tune is a pleasure to watch.
Been good so far. Was expecting him to be a good crosser and to try to score wondergoals, wasn't expecting him to be able to get in behind as much as he does.
Quote from: Carborundum on September 16, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
In my experience luxury players become problematic in the long run.
Not sure he's a "long run" player anyway - I'm not sure he's good enough for the PL. Realistically, if we go up, only about 6 of our current best XI are going to continue as regular starters and Seri, Tosin, Reed and Mitrovic have probably claimed most of those slots already.
Quote from: WindyCity on September 16, 2021, 04:47:21 PM
Opinions on Wilson?
Excellent player. One thing I especially like about him is that he seems to have great instincts and football 'smarts', positioning, etc. And the kid knows how to "finish", something that has lacked in our squad for some time now. Put him and Carvalho on the pitch at the same time, you've got a real FFC offensive threat, young, energetic, pacey, smart, finishers. Hope FFC can keep them both in the team.
Cannot argue with that assessment :54:
Great Movement.
He has that X Factor and every successful team needs at least one of those in their ranks.
He will at times win games for us at a moment of brilliance, other players in the team are capable of saving games for us. He is most definitely a competitor and that should stand him in good stead.
His record throughout his career is excellent. A goal or assist in every other game is his average and that's over 180 games. So no small sample size
If people cant see Wilsons class then thats beyond me.
Quote from: Tabby on September 16, 2021, 05:13:04 PM
Been good so far. Was expecting him to be a good crosser and to try to score wondergoals, wasn't expecting him to be able to get in behind as much as he does.
I agree Tabby.
I have been pleasanly surprised by his pace.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on September 16, 2021, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Carborundum on September 16, 2021, 04:10:58 PM
Enjoyed a couple of beers last night with a Cardiff season ticket holder and inevitably the topic came up. We weren't watching the match.
He's clearly on a hot streak, wingers have them. And I'd love to be proven wrong, but on the very limited occasions when I have seen him live, the player who he most reminds me of is Alex Kacanaclic. He had this tendency to position himself for maximum chances of breakaway glory and far fewer chances of helping a beleaguered full back. My Cardiff supporting colleague confirmed that's his game and in a team like Cardiff it didn't really work, everyone needed to muck in equally. He speculated that perhaps Fulham could afford the luxury of playing him. In my experience luxury players become problematic in the long run.
So, for me the jury is out, but it's very early days. The stats don't lie, he's doing plenty right but there's room for improvement.
Did you watch his defensive work rate at home to Stoke? Or his tracking back last night? I don't think anyone can question is defensive work rate. Works very hard tracking back so far
Agreed. And all credit to Silva who seems to have achieved a high work rate in every player (exception being the departed Anguissa)
He's a bloody revelation, best signing in years imo
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
I wouldn't, Anguissa has done nothing to prove he fits our football club or even wants to be here. Atleast Wilson wants to be here
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on September 17, 2021, 07:18:42 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
I wouldn't, Anguissa has done nothing to prove he fits our football club or even wants to be here. Atleast Wilson wants to be here
If Wilson got a better offer, then he'll want to leave. Anguissa got better offers than Wilson, it would interesting if Wilson got the choice of starting at Roma or Fulham, which would be choice. Probably same as Anguissa. Anguissa was reportedly happy to play here, but also open to playing somewhere better too.
If we only want to keep players that want to be here, then maybe it's time to sell Tosin and Robinson. Rather than giving in to everyone that want to leave, I'd prefer to keep such quality players and tell them the only way their premier league dreams have to come true with a promotion for FFC or a £25m transfer fee for FFC.
He can score - uses his great pace and skill to beat off -side traps, get in behind massed defences, and put the ball in the net, and is generally a potent creative and attacking force.
He is a match winner, and we have another similar player in Carvalho.
How many did Anguissa, for all his qualities, score?
He was part of an attack, that got the edge of the opposition box, and then faltered, though I know that was mostly in the Prem.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:48:48 AM
If Wilson got a better offer, then he'll want to leave. Anguissa got better offers than Wilson, it would interesting if Wilson got the choice of starting at Roma or Fulham, which would be choice. Probably same as Anguissa. Anguissa was reportedly happy to play here, but also open to playing somewhere better too.
If we only want to keep players that want to be here, then maybe it's time to sell Tosin and Robinson. Rather than giving in to everyone that want to leave, I'd prefer to keep such quality players and tell them the only way their premier league dreams have to come true with a promotion for FFC or a £25m transfer fee for FFC.
On what basis would you prefer to keep Anguissa (and I liked the bloke) over Wilson?
The difference Wilson makes to us on the pitch is clear to everyone. A goal or assist every 130 minutes in the top two divisions is very decent. Anugissa stats in the same two divisions are a goal (never) or assist every 1390 minutes (every 15 games!!!).
You talk about holding onto our best players, well the best way of doing that is for the team to be achieving something and we're more likely to with Wilson than Frank in the team.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
I have to disagree with you there, Frank does not warrant a place in our team for more than one reason and more importantly he will not be missed. There are alternatives that will give us more value for money. He does not punch his weight and more often than not for some reason chooses to underperform.
Going back to my original question this is the best I can find ?s=21
Quote from: bobby01 on September 17, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Going back to my original question this is the best I can find ?s=21
Definite foul and if it's a foul he's got to send the defender off
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
You're on your own there. Wilson has already contributed as much in his brief spell with us as Zambo did in his entire time at FFC.
Quote from: bobby01 on September 17, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Going back to my original question this is the best I can find ?s=21
What a release! Gazza almost got an assist there!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
Never. Wilson is more the player type we need. We have plenty that fill Zambo's role, and Harry can score.
He fills me with as much hope as Allan Clarke did all those years ago. Hope the same doesn't happen to him as it did to Clarke.....spirited away for far less than his true market value....
....in fact let's hope he doesn't get spirited away at all.
How on earth has Big Franck who couldn't hit a barn door as borne out by his scoring record, managed to work his way into a thread about free-scoring Wilson
Quote from: MartyFFC on September 17, 2021, 05:08:11 PM
How on earth has Big Franck who couldn't hit a barn door as borne out by his scoring record, managed to work his way into a thread about free-scoring Wilson
Unionist and TRF forming an unholy alliance!
Wilson is absolute quality. One of our best signings for a long time. Makes a huge difference to our side offensively.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 17, 2021, 07:04:18 AM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on September 16, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
12 million is a lot of money for him.
He seems wasteful at times and perhaps, injury prone, but happy to have him on our side
I'd personally prefer to have kept Anguissa for $12m, especially if we get promoted.
Yeah, you're right. Only someone who truly knows their football knows how much more important completed dribbles are than goals, assists and team morale.
Would just like to add that in my opinion it's the best signing I've seen in years. Exactly what we needed and lacked and he's a premier league quality player. Marco Silva is also a very high profile manager for this league and a lot of praise needs to be given to our owners for these acquisitions.
Quote from: Jules on September 17, 2021, 09:57:16 PM
Wilson is absolute quality. One of our best signings for a long time. Makes a huge difference to our side offensively.
He's fire. I've heard him banded in that group of players who's too good for the champ but not good enough for the prem. Had one season in the prem for Bournemouth when he was about 21/22. He finished the season their top scorer and they stayed up..
I think he's great, having seen him. Before he joined I didn't know what to expect - thought he could be in that decent but hot and cold mold. But he's really good. My only fear is that he may miss a few games here and there with knocks? He has a bit of a bite about him too, which is good in terms of competitiveness, but can see him collecting a card or two too. All in all, he's going to be huge for us this season and is one of, if not the first names on the team sheet.
