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Title: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM
The club needs to resolve Cyrus' situation ASAP. He was handed a new contract in the summer after a fantastic season at Forest when he was one of their players of the season. With the ability to get forward and defend, he's a much better option than Odoi, who is a liability as a starter at this level. Yet we have Christie rotting in the reserves and are forced to make do without even having a full back on the bench. Odoi is fine as an emergency experienced utility guy, but he is so error prone and only ever passes it sideways to a centre back which doesn't work with our style. He should not be starting week in week out at 33 years old.

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Come on Fulham - sort this situation out so we can start with a Championship quality right back until Tete is back. Worst case scenario, he improves his value and we get a fee in January.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: St Eve on September 19, 2021, 02:13:15 AM
Don't understand the new contract at all. He should have been let go
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on September 19, 2021, 02:38:54 AM
ODOI had a good game today and created
some good crosses and 'situations down the right wing
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: The Rational Fan on September 19, 2021, 04:45:04 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Nonsense, Christie's wages were a good investment. Christie makes up about 1.5% of our expenses, or looking at it another way we could afford 6.5 players in every position at those wages.

Players like Fabri, Christie, Odoi, Quina and Kebano aren't quality players, but I think it would be a mistake to give those five away on a free transfer and bring in one quality player like Cavelrio (and if you want to bring in real quality like Wilson then you would have sacfrice a lot more squad players).

Christie is excellent value and Silva needs to tell Odoi he will be competing wiki Christie (and anyone else that can kick a ball at FFC) for the right back spot. We need to improve at right back, maybe some more gametime for Odoi does the trick, maybe Christie needs a chance or maybe Fossey/S.Sess step up.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 05:41:13 AM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on September 19, 2021, 02:38:54 AM
ODOI had a good game today and created
some good crosses and 'situations down the right wing


+1
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Whitestone on September 19, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 05:41:13 AM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on September 19, 2021, 02:38:54 AM
ODOI had a good game today and created
some good crosses and 'situations down the right wing


+1

Whilst I agree with comments about Odoi's offensive play yesterday it's his defending that isn't good enough. A better right back wouldn't have given Ejaria the time and opportunity to score the first goal.
We've all seen more than enough of Odoi to know that he isn't consistent and will have defensive lapses which result in goals scored.
Defensively Christie is slightly better than Odoi. I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes but it needs sorting and Christie needs game time starting with the Leeds match on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: The Rational Fan on September 19, 2021, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 19, 2021, 07:52:23 AM

Whilst I agree with comments about Odoi's offensive play yesterday it's his defending that isn't good enough. A better right back wouldn't have given Ejaria the time and opportunity to score the first goal.
We've all seen more than enough of Odoi to know that he isn't consistent and will have defensive lapses which result in goals scored.
Defensively Christie is slightly better than Odoi. I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes but it needs sorting and Christie needs game time starting with the Leeds match on Tuesday.

Odoi is one of the best ten right backs in the Championship, not bad for a reserve.

Ejaria is one of the best four left wingers in the championship and he plays another 30 games this season as well as he did yesterday, then he is the best player in the championship.

Odoi is ok as a squad player and if the other 10 players play to their potential every game (although that is huge assumption), then we will kill this league.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Agreed - no one seems to mention ( that the so far excellent Tosin ) turns his back for the first goal and also didn't cover himself in glory for the second.
It was a bad day at the office - we shouldn't scapegoat players that have played well so far this season
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Whitestone on September 19, 2021, 09:55:14 AM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Agreed - no one seems to mention ( that the so far excellent Tosin ) turns his back for the first goal and also didn't cover himself in glory for the second.
It was a bad day at the office - we shouldn't scapegoat players that have played well so far this season

I suggested that Tosin could have done better for the second goal in another post.
Why on earth do you mention scapegoating players ? Giving fair and reasonable critique isn't scapegoating ? Odoi may be a fan favourite but he isn't good enough and will continue to cost the team if he is the regular right back until Tete's return. It's been happening for years but bizarrely seems to get overlooked by some because he's a good guy who plays with passion and commitment. His positioning for the first was terrible. It's been happening for years.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Whitestone on September 19, 2021, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Have you considered that there might be a reason for that ? By the way no one is blaming Odoi for the loss just his poor play.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 10:07:07 AM
Quote - Why on earth do you mention scapegoating players ?
...... His positioning for the first was terrible. It's been happening for years.

This !
I would respect your opinion more if it was balanced. You can come over like a cracked record I really like BDR but yesterday he had a stinker . I don't mind posters criticising players but it's so often the same posters who jump on a specific player the moment they aren't up to scratch. Have it your way though - you must be right I will just ignore your obviously biased opinion
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Whitestone on September 19, 2021, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 10:07:07 AM
Quote - Why on earth do you mention scapegoating players ?
...... His positioning for the first was terrible. It's been happening for years.

This !
I would respect your opinion more if it was balanced. You can come over like a cracked record I really like BDR but yesterday he had a stinker . I don't mind posters criticising players but it's so often the same posters who jump on a specific player the moment they aren't up to scratch. Have it your way though - you must be right I will just ignore your obviously biased opinion

Can I respectfully suggest you look up the meaning of scapegoating. Its when someone gets the blame for the wrongdoings of others. The comments I have made about Odoi concern his play as an individual. Thats not scapegoating.

It's disappointing that a fellow poster should resort to insults when they don't agree with another's opinion.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: bobbo on September 19, 2021, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 05:41:13 AM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on September 19, 2021, 02:38:54 AM
ODOI had a good game today and created
some good crosses and 'situations down the right wing


+1
+2
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Deeping_white on September 19, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

How do you explain every team attacking us down our right hand side since Tete got injured? Almost like teams know he's our weak link
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: MartyFFC on September 19, 2021, 12:35:10 PM
I think Denis has done OK since he came in, however there's no doubt he's a huge downgrade on Tete
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Gezza on September 19, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Agreed - no one seems to mention ( that the so far excellent Tosin ) turns his back for the first goal and also didn't cover himself in glory for the second.
It was a bad day at the office - we shouldn't scapegoat players that have played well so far this season


Totally agree
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Nero on September 19, 2021, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: Gezza on September 19, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Agreed - no one seems to mention ( that the so far excellent Tosin ) turns his back for the first goal and also didn't cover himself in glory for the second.
It was a bad day at the office - we shouldn't scapegoat players that have played well so far this season


Totally agree

So you remember when Hector used to be a good defender but he got worse with a certain RB playing next to him, it's happening again.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Pluto on September 19, 2021, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 19, 2021, 04:45:04 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Nonsense, Christie's wages were a good investment. Christie makes up about 1.5% of our expenses, or looking at it another way we could afford 6.5 players in every position at those wages.

Players like Fabri, Christie, Odoi, Quina and Kebano aren't quality players, but I think it would be a mistake to give those five away on a free transfer and bring in one quality player like Cavelrio (and if you want to bring in real quality like Wilson then you would have sacfrice a lot more squad players).

Christie is excellent value and Silva needs to tell Odoi he will be competing wiki Christie (and anyone else that can kick a ball at FFC) for the right back spot. We need to improve at right back, maybe some more gametime for Odoi does the trick, maybe Christie needs a chance or maybe Fossey/S.Sess step up.

That's what I meant. It's a great investment IF we actually play him. If we have no intention of playing the bloke and are planning to let him chill in the reserves all season, it's a massive waste of money.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Pluto on September 19, 2021, 05:48:44 PM
Didn't mean this thread to turn into Odoi bashing - I like the guy as a utility man who can fill in when needed, and he's done an okay job the past few games (though still looks error prone).

But the fact is Tete is out for a significant length of time and we have a better right back on the books who we're paying to do nothing. The club are going so far out of their way not to play him, that we had no full backs on the bench against Reading. Yet we just gave him a new deal. It's baffling to me.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Wingnut on September 20, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

Must be something to do with the position, because Cyrus gets the blame when he plays.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: filham on September 20, 2021, 10:35:02 AM
Odoi always puts in a good shift and has served us well , always prepared to play in the position he is needed and right now is not doing badly.
Before we make any judgements let us see putting in an appearance and a good performance against Leeds tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Lordedmundo on September 20, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM
The club needs to resolve Cyrus' situation ASAP. He was handed a new contract in the summer after a fantastic season at Forest when he was one of their players of the season. With the ability to get forward and defend, he's a much better option than Odoi, who is a liability as a starter at this level. Yet we have Christie rotting in the reserves and are forced to make do without even having a full back on the bench. Odoi is fine as an emergency experienced utility guy, but he is so error prone and only ever passes it sideways to a centre back which doesn't work with our style. He should not be starting week in week out at 33 years old.

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Come on Fulham - sort this situation out so we can start with a Championship quality right back until Tete is back. Worst case scenario, he improves his value and we get a fee in January.

Personally I don't think Christie is all that good. Did he really have a 'fantastic season at Forest'? If he was one of their players of the season surely they would have signed him. I remember we when signed him - it was under the premise that he was a pacy wing back.  He doesn't have pace - can remember numerous instances in games where he has been caught up field and didn't have the legs to get back.

The problem is that we appear to have three 'back-up' right backs at the club who Silva does not trust to cover for Tete - hence he has chosen Odoi who is fine at this level, but obviously not a specialist right back.

Rather than Christie I would Fossey or Sessegnon a go tomorrow night -maybe 45mins each. I note that they both played in the under 23 match a few days ago.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Maidstone Lee on September 20, 2021, 11:23:17 AM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on September 20, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM
The club needs to resolve Cyrus' situation ASAP. He was handed a new contract in the summer after a fantastic season at Forest when he was one of their players of the season. With the ability to get forward and defend, he's a much better option than Odoi, who is a liability as a starter at this level. Yet we have Christie rotting in the reserves and are forced to make do without even having a full back on the bench. Odoi is fine as an emergency experienced utility guy, but he is so error prone and only ever passes it sideways to a centre back which doesn't work with our style. He should not be starting week in week out at 33 years old.

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Come on Fulham - sort this situation out so we can start with a Championship quality right back until Tete is back. Worst case scenario, he improves his value and we get a fee in January.

Personally I don't think Christie is all that good. Did he really have a 'fantastic season at Forest'? If he was one of their players of the season surely they would have signed him. I remember we when signed him - it was under the premise that he way a pacy wing back.  He doesn't have pace - can remember numerous instances in games where he has been caught up field and didn't have the legs to get back.

The problem is that we appear to have three 'back-up' right backs at the club who Silva does not trust to cover for Tete - hence he has chosen Odoi who is fine at this level, but obviously not a specialist right back.

Rather than Christie I would Fossey or Sessegnon a go tomorrow night -maybe 45mins each. I note that they both played in the under 23 match a few days ago.


Fossey has played a few games for the U23's this season and looks like he is regaining his fitness. He can certainly get forward which is what we need, maybe a run out against Leeds would be a good shout.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: epsomraver on September 20, 2021, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: HV71 on September 19, 2021, 05:41:13 AM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on September 19, 2021, 02:38:54 AM
ODOI had a good game today and created
some good crosses and 'situations down the right wing


+1
totally agree, Pluto obviuosly doesnt watch the game very well, Dennis has been very good and scored as well
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on September 20, 2021, 11:35:41 AM
I don't understand all the criticism Odoi gets. We got him for practically nothing, he's on lower wages than most of our squad and he provides cover for RB, LB and CB. Of course he is a downgrade on Tete but we can't afford Premier League quality players as cover for every position in the Championship. Odoi is an extremely valuable asset in our squad. He has stayed loyal to the club even when he was out of the match day squad for long periods of time. He always puts in a shift, he keeps fit and is never injured and I've never seen him complain or show any signs of negativity towards the club or the fans. He stepped up and played out of position at CB when Kalas was injured and our recruitment team had failed to provide ANY cover in that position. At that point he had (to my knowledge) never played at CB before but he made that position his own and was an important player in our unbeaten run + promotion. Sure, he makes the occasional mistake (although not nearly as many as Ream...) but he has also given us moments that Fulham fans will never forget, like the goal against Derby or that moment of pure brilliance against Newcastle.

Anyone calling out for Christie must have short memories. He was absolutely thrashed on this forum the last time he played regularly for us. He had a decent season at Forest (after a poor start) but anyone who thinks he is an upgrade on Odoi should re-watch some of the games he played for us. I'm not saying Christie is useless. He is a decent Championship RB but I've never seen anything to suggest he is a significant upgrade on Odoi and I would prefer to keep Odoi match fit and happy rather than introduce Christie as the next scapegoat.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Ludlow Richard on September 20, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 19, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

How do you explain every team attacking us down our right hand side since Tete got injured? Almost like teams know he's our weak link

The team should defend as a unit. As far as the right side is concerned, responsibility for defending is not just Odoi's; it was (on Saturday) also Wilson's, and from my perspective Wilson had a really poor game on Saturday. He certainly did little to help out defensively. Cavaleiro on the other hand put in a good defensive shift to help out Robinson.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: bobby01 on September 20, 2021, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: Ludlow Richard on September 20, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 19, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 19, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
Every time we lose Odoi gets the blame. Always been the same.

How do you explain every team attacking us down our right hand side since Tete got injured? Almost like teams know he's our weak link

The team should defend as a unit. As far as the right side is concerned, responsibility for defending is not just Odoi's; it was (on Saturday) also Wilson's, and from my perspective Wilson had a really poor game on Saturday. He certainly did little to help out defensively. Cavaleiro on the other hand put in a good defensive shift to help out Robinson.


Actually the first goal on Saturday came down the opposite side, the whole defence had moved left as ream went out to the ball which left tosin and odoi covering the centre, he could not recover position to push the man outside.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: toshes mate on September 20, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
I concur wholeheartedly. 

Those who blame Denis Odoi for this, that and the other have been doing so for a long time and yet he is probably the best utility defender the Club has had in a long, long time and a bargain signing at any price.   For sure he is in the twilight of his career but why don't the Denis knockers channel their anger at Marco Silva and his coaching team for not seeing what they think he should be seeing.   So far as I can tell Denis is doing a professional job to the best of his ability as he always does and nobody can ask for more.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Twig on September 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 20, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
I concur wholeheartedly. 

Those who blame Denis Odoi for this, that and the other have been doing so for a long time and yet he is probably the best utility defender the Club has had in a long, long time and a bargain signing at any price.   For sure he is in the twilight of his career but why don't the Denis knockers channel their anger at Marco Silva and his coaching team for not seeing what they think he should be seeing.   So far as I can tell Denis is doing a professional job to the best of his ability as he always does and nobody can ask for more.

Agree with you both
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: YoungsBitter on September 20, 2021, 04:15:32 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on September 20, 2021, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 20, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
I think Odoi is fine as a reserve right back (and useful as a reserve elsewhere if needed).  No-one disputes Tete is a far better right back but he's injured possibly for a long time.  Clearly the manager who sees all the players daily in training has formed the view that Odoi is the best of the available back ups and more suitable for the team than Christie, Fossey, Sess et al.  Others may have a different opinion but Silva seems to me to be a highly competent manager and I am prepared to accept his judgement.  Clubs like Fulham need solid faithful club players like Odoi.  We are lucky to have him around when needed.
I concur wholeheartedly. 

Those who blame Denis Odoi for this, that and the other have been doing so for a long time and yet he is probably the best utility defender the Club has had in a long, long time and a bargain signing at any price.   For sure he is in the twilight of his career but why don't the Denis knockers channel their anger at Marco Silva and his coaching team for not seeing what they think he should be seeing.   So far as I can tell Denis is doing a professional job to the best of his ability as he always does and nobody can ask for more.

Agree with you both
We all like Dennis, however he just played 3 times in 8 days. We need some squad rotation and right back has to have another option, just in case Odoi gets injured.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Fulham 442 on September 20, 2021, 06:19:25 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 20, 2021, 11:35:41 AM
I don't understand all the criticism Odoi gets. We got him for practically nothing, he's on lower wages than most of our squad and he provides cover for RB, LB and CB. Of course he is a downgrade on Tete but we can't afford Premier League quality players as cover for every position in the Championship. Odoi is an extremely valuable asset in our squad. He has stayed loyal to the club even when he was out of the match day squad for long periods of time. He always puts in a shift, he keeps fit and is never injured and I've never seen him complain or show any signs of negativity towards the club or the fans. He stepped up and played out of position at CB when Kalas was injured and our recruitment team had failed to provide ANY cover in that position. At that point he had (to my knowledge) never played at CB before but he made that position his own and was an important player in our unbeaten run + promotion. Sure, he makes the occasional mistake (although not nearly as many as Ream...) but he has also given us moments that Fulham fans will never forget, like the goal against Derby or that moment of pure brilliance against Newcastle.

Anyone calling out for Christie must have short memories. He was absolutely thrashed on this forum the last time he played regularly for us. He had a decent season at Forest (after a poor start) but anyone who thinks he is an upgrade on Odoi should re-watch some of the games he played for us. I'm not saying Christie is useless. He is a decent Championship RB but I've never seen anything to suggest he is a significant upgrade on Odoi and I would prefer to keep Odoi match fit and happy rather than introduce Christie as the next scapegoat.
:plus one:
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Hatch007 on September 22, 2021, 06:43:26 AM
Can anyone who attended the match last night give a balanced, unbiased review of CC's performance.

Curious to learn if he's still considered amongst us a genuine contender to replace Dennis as deputy to Tete.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 22, 2021, 08:08:01 AM
Bearing in mind it was Leeds we were playing last night not Blackpool or Reading. C C put himself about gave away some fouls but I don't blame him for that. He is big and strong enough to hold his own and he is quicker than Dennis, and he bombed forward when he could.
I think he serves us better as a wing back.
Does he warrant a selection over D O, well that may divide opinion. for and against for both I imagine. For me I have an affection for Dennis, but then Cyrus has strengths Dennis does not, and Dennis tends to have a mistake a game in him but also is a fighter.
However, currently at the moment in the absence of Fossey or Sessegnon I would consider Cyrus for a decent run out despite his tendency to give away too many fouls.
Nevertheless it's six of one half a dozen of the other.
Neither really ideal just perhaps a temporary stop gap. If Cyrus could be coached and improves his positional play within the framework of a defensive unit, his pace can be utilised in the Championship and the absence of Tete he has to be considered.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Hatch007 on September 22, 2021, 08:15:42 AM
Thanks Woolly 👍
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Nero on September 22, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
Christie tends to give a way fouls as he tackles Odoi just backs off and allow teams to cross and shot. Clean Sheet that's all I'm saying would that have happened with Dan James v Odoi
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Somerset Fulham on September 22, 2021, 09:30:12 AM
I don't understand why he has had such a hard time at Fulham.   At this level he is more than adequate and I hope that Silva has now realised this and is reconsidering his stance on the player.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: filham on September 22, 2021, 10:27:53 AM
I had a good view of Christe last night from my halfway line viewpoint in the JH stand, he had a reasonable game but I saw nothing which suggested he should replace Odoi in out starting line up against Bristol on Saturday. However if Odoi was not available I would be confident of Christie filling the gap.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Jim© on September 22, 2021, 10:33:08 AM
Let's not forget for most of the game he was up against £30m Dan James, who he kept quiet for almost the whole game. That deserves a bit of praise.

Personally I think it's strange that he's never been appreciated by Fulham fans, he's a very decent Championship RB.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: H4usuallysitting on September 22, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
I'd use BDR as a right back
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Mullers OG on September 22, 2021, 03:19:06 PM
I thought Christie had a decent game last night.  Having said that I saw nothing which is likely to convince the manager that he should start ahead of Odoi.  Equally if Odoi should join Tete on the injury list then Christie would be an adequate back up.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: cwindsor on September 22, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
No one can fault Odoi's enthusiasm. But enthusiasm is no substitute for ability. Especially, defensively.
His defensive play can best be described as follows:
1. Back off from attacking player
2. Plant feet
3. Turn and watch ball go in net.
This has been the case since he joined Fulham. The fact that he has been playing 70 to 90 minutes, whilst  Mawson and Christie warm the bench, is a complete mystery to me.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: The Rational Fan on September 23, 2021, 12:55:49 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 19, 2021, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 19, 2021, 04:45:04 AM
Quote from: Pluto on September 18, 2021, 05:51:38 PM

Ridiculous decision by the club to hand Christie a new deal with the expectation of being able to grind out a small fee for him. Now we are stuck paying him £20k a week to do nothing all season. It's just abysmal management. I don't blame him at all for refusing a move. If we wanted him gone, we should have done the right thing and let him walk for free.

Nonsense, Christie's wages were a good investment. Christie makes up about 1.5% of our expenses, or looking at it another way we could afford 6.5 players in every position at those wages.

Players like Fabri, Christie, Odoi, Quina and Kebano aren't quality players, but I think it would be a mistake to give those five away on a free transfer and bring in one quality player like Cavelrio (and if you want to bring in real quality like Wilson then you would have sacfrice a lot more squad players).

Christie is excellent value and Silva needs to tell Odoi he will be competing wiki Christie (and anyone else that can kick a ball at FFC) for the right back spot. We need to improve at right back, maybe some more gametime for Odoi does the trick, maybe Christie needs a chance or maybe Fossey/S.Sess step up.

That's what I meant. It's a great investment IF we actually play him. If we have no intention of playing the bloke and are planning to let him chill in the reserves all season, it's a massive waste of money.

Cyrus Christie makes up 1.5% of the expenses and is currently our fifth choice full-back, so likely not to feature much. But, if three of our full-backs were injured for a significant period, then without Christie the other 98.5% of our budget is a massive waste of money (including Tosin, Wilson, and Mitrovic).

Cyrus Christie is possible "the best fifth choice full-back in the history of the Championship", who cost us £1m per season, and could earn us £150m even with a bit-part role. That is VALUE!

Once, we accept we need a fifth choice full back even if it costs a £1m per season, the only other question is either S.Sess or M.Fossey good enough and fit enough to fill the 5th FB role. The answer is to good enough is yes, but they both have injury record so probably not fit enough for a break through season.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Nero on September 24, 2021, 08:12:10 AM
Thank god for that
https://www.westlondonsport.com/fulham/fulham-boss-silva-says-christie-is-in-his-plans
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: Twig on September 24, 2021, 07:10:47 PM
Quote from: Nero on September 24, 2021, 08:12:10 AM
Thank god for that
https://www.westlondonsport.com/fulham/fulham-boss-silva-says-christie-is-in-his-plans


This is odd because Silva had recently stated very publicly that Christie wasn't in his plans. All a bit perplexing.
Title: Re: Cyrus Christie
Post by: MartyFFC on September 24, 2021, 07:20:34 PM
Odoi has more technical ability, Christie is better defensively. I'm on the fence as to who I'd prefer to be starting, though might lean slightly towards Christie