Coventry striker Matt Godden has been charged with improper conduct for his dive on Saturday. I believe the punishment for diving is normally a 3 match ban. Nice of the FA to finally take some action for simulation
Am sure it must've happened before but I certainly can't remember it happening. Too late for us obviously; however it should hopefully go some way to helping to discourage other cheating ***** from doing the same in the future
Perhaps the match will be replayed, Ream can give the ball away from the kick off!
And none of the officials noticed.......
Quote from: MartyFFC on October 05, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
Am sure it must've happened before but I certainly can't remember it happening. Too late for us obviously; however it should hopefully go some way to helping to discourage other cheating ***** from doing the same in the future
It happened against us in the championship under Slav. Bailey Wright of Bristol coty feigned injury to get Kamara sent off at the cottage. Bailey Wright got a 2 game ban for it
Worth dropping into the Blues Talk forum, the response is hilarious.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 05, 2021, 07:29:24 PM
Quote from: MartyFFC on October 05, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
Am sure it must've happened before but I certainly can't remember it happening. Too late for us obviously; however it should hopefully go some way to helping to discourage other cheating ***** from doing the same in the future
It happened against us in the championship under Slav. Bailey Wright of Bristol coty feigned injury to get Kamara sent off at the cottage. Bailey Wright got a 2 game ban for it
Dwight Gayle got 2 fame ban for diving when at WBA
Quote from: SP on October 05, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
Worth dropping into the Blues Talk forum, the response is hilarious.
Yeah, they are not a happy bunch! Tbh I think we would be the same if it happened to us
I wonder if the fact it was a live game meant it more likely to be punished?
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 05, 2021, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: SP on October 05, 2021, 07:31:00 PM
Worth dropping into the Blues Talk forum, the response is hilarious.
Yeah, they are not a happy bunch! Tbh I think we would be the same if it happened to us
I think if one of our players took such a blatant dive we would expect it to be punished and not try to find excuses of he was expecting contact there was no contact so no falling over was required, more practice on the training ground needed
I can understand the argument of the possibility of anticipating contact but he only had to hold his hand up to acknowledge that it wasn't a foul & chose not to.
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
When you think how prevalent diving is, the retrospective bans issued seem to be fairly scarce. Presumably it has to have a profound impact on the game, i.e. a penalty or a red card otherwise some players would be permanently banned
Quote from: MartyFFC on October 05, 2021, 10:26:15 PM
When you think how prevalent diving is, the retrospective bans issued seem to be fairly scarce. Presumably it has to have a profound impact on the game, i.e. a penalty or a red card otherwise some players would be permanently banned
I think a lot if there a touch be it a hand or legs you can't be 100% sure it was a dive when there is no touch at all you know its a dive
I for one am soo pleased they got him for it and he's getting punished and now been shamed. But I think the punishment needs to be more severe ie fined heavily ( coz they get paid heavily) and Theban should be longer . The two incidents caused us to lose our rhythm and we just lost the plot . Just BTW I don thinkream was to blame at all for their first goal , it was a poor throw out by our keeper and onomah completely got in reams way. Just watch it yet again , it was kicked out by keeper not thrown.
As I said in another post on here
It does not help the club the action was against
In fact it can help other clubs around them if they play Coventry without one of their first choice players
Instead heavily fine the player and his club then perhaps this form of cheating may stop
I love the fact he's been banned. Second offence should be 6 games, then 12, then 24. I guarantee you he'd stop diving pretty quickly.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 05, 2021, 06:01:40 PM
Coventry striker Matt Godden has been charged with improper conduct for his dive on Saturday. I believe the punishment for diving is normally a 3 match ban. Nice of the FA to finally take some action for simulation
Glad the EFL have acted on this cancer of football.
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
The fact refs are NOT being punished lately is empowering them to ruin matches ad nauseum. If the EFL did punish just ONE ref for getting an incident grossy incorrect, all the standards of reffing would improve by 20-50% overnight. But the PGLGBTMOL never wish to admit their officials are ruining football. The scumbag deserves punishment but these refs must be rooted out and demoted accordingly. It won't happen though.
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
While I think many of the refs are poor you can only blame the players and managers who try and cheat the ref.
When I worked in football I had a manager go mad at an opposition player for diving and getting a penalty
Then a week later going mad at our player for not diving
When do you ever see a manager punish a player for diving sometimes when it is shown later on tv they play lip service and say things like I will be having a word or we don't except that behaviour at this club, but the next week they're back doing the same thing
Perhaps and I don't feel this will ever happen, if players didn't cheat it would give the ref a better chance to award real penalties
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 07:32:41 AM
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
Well that's down to the referee to manage at the time isn't it, the Cov striker cheated to deceive a match official. I imagine he'll be labelled as such now so I bet he won't get some penalties when there is contact now too
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 06, 2021, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 07:32:41 AM
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
Well that's down to the referee to manage at the time isn't it, the Cov striker cheated to deceive a match official. I imagine he'll be labelled as such now so I bet he won't get some penalties when there is contact now too
It's the first time he's ever gone down like that. Mitrovic has been a master of the dark arts for years. If you're going to vilify one then you need to be balanced. Godden deserves a ban for diving, I'm not disputing that but please don't make out your team are angels
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 06, 2021, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 07:32:41 AM
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
Well that's down to the referee to manage at the time isn't it, the Cov striker cheated to deceive a match official. I imagine he'll be labelled as such now so I bet he won't get some penalties when there is contact now too
It's the first time he's ever gone down like that. Mitrovic has been a master of the dark arts for years. If you're going to vilify one then you need to be balanced. Godden deserves a ban for diving, I'm not disputing that but please don't make out your team are angels
He does get wound up with the physical stuff he gets (refs seem to think it's ok for him to deal with).
Oddly at the weekend when he was 100% bodychecked to the ground, he got nothing but jeers from the crowd and a booking from the joke of a ref.
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 06, 2021, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 07:32:41 AM
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
Well that's down to the referee to manage at the time isn't it, the Cov striker cheated to deceive a match official. I imagine he'll be labelled as such now so I bet he won't get some penalties when there is contact now too
It's the first time he's ever gone down like that. Mitrovic has been a master of the dark arts for years. If you're going to vilify one then you need to be balanced. Godden deserves a ban for diving, I'm not disputing that but please don't make out your team are angels
Mitro rightly got a yellow card for his behaviour. He was out of line, but once booked he calmed down and was just talking to the ref. It clearly was nothing abusive as the ref used his judgement not to book him, and none of our players seemed overly concerned about it. Dont get me wrong, our team are not angels, and Mitro has got away with stuff before (playoff final vs. Brentford as one example), but the discussion here is about a player cheating, and this is not an equivalent.
I'm not convinced it would have changed the result, and you ran out worthy winners, but im very glad to see a cheat punished.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on October 06, 2021, 09:25:46 AM
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 06, 2021, 07:52:36 AM
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Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
Well that's down to the referee to manage at the time isn't it, the Cov striker cheated to deceive a match official. I imagine he'll be labelled as such now so I bet he won't get some penalties when there is contact now too
It's the first time he's ever gone down like that. Mitrovic has been a master of the dark arts for years. If you're going to vilify one then you need to be balanced. Godden deserves a ban for diving, I'm not disputing that but please don't make out your team are angels
Mitro rightly got a yellow card for his behaviour. He was out of line, but once booked he calmed down and was just talking to the ref. It clearly was nothing abusive as the ref used his judgement not to book him, and none of our players seemed overly concerned about it. Dont get me wrong, our team are not angels, and Mitro has got away with stuff before (playoff final vs. Brentford as one example), but the discussion here is about a player cheating, and this is not an equivalent.
I'm not convinced it would have changed the result, and you ran out worthy winners, but im very glad to see a cheat punished.
I agree with your post Sgt Fulham, although regarding the final result who knows as the dodgy penalty put them two one up in a very short space of time and we may well have rallied if it had not been given. Still as you rightly pointed out the discussion here is about a player cheating, which he clearly did...
Quote from: SP on October 05, 2021, 07:18:04 PM
And none of the officials noticed.......
It was a very tight call and a clever dive so it is understandable that the officials got it wrong.
However it was a big call and a game changer, there should have been no penalty and a red card shown to the diver. Coventry down to ten men would certainly have taken the wind out of their sails and the match result could have been different.
Probably worth the ban for them given that they got the 3 point.
I would be happy with a ban for BDR if it means we get the 3 points against QPR...
Quote from: filham on October 06, 2021, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: SP on October 05, 2021, 07:18:04 PM
And none of the officials noticed.......
It was a very tight call and a clever dive so it is understandable that the officials got it wrong.
However it was a big call and a game changer, there should have been no penalty and a red card shown to the diver. Coventry down to ten men would certainly have taken the wind out of their sails and the match result could have been different.
It would have been a yellow card, not a red. If you're dishing out reds for stuff that isn't a red Tim Ream should be sent off every week for impersonating a professional footballer
I saw a red card for diving last night - well a second yellow. It was right in front of me, there was clear and audible contact, the player went down. The referee was well placed.
Stonewall VAR penalty but the "culprit" missed the last 25 mins and will now be banned. There was also social media bollocks from opposition fans (not present) about his cheating.
Its always imperfect.
seeing it was Jimmy Hill day
we will just have to take this
one on the CHIN I suppose..
Quote from: colcliff on October 06, 2021, 07:32:53 AM
While I think many of the refs are poor you can only blame the players and managers who try and cheat the ref.
When I worked in football I had a manager go mad at an opposition player for diving and getting a penalty
Then a week later going mad at our player for not diving
When do you ever see a manager punish a player for diving sometimes when it is shown later on tv they play lip service and say things like I will be having a word or we don't except that behaviour at this club, but the next week they're back doing the same thing
Perhaps and I don't feel this will ever happen, if players didn't cheat it would give the ref a better chance to award real penalties
Like to know what Steve Bruce has said to that diver Wilson.
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: filham on October 06, 2021, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: SP on October 05, 2021, 07:18:04 PM
And none of the officials noticed.......
It was a very tight call and a clever dive so it is understandable that the officials got it wrong.
However it was a big call and a game changer, there should have been no penalty and a red card shown to the diver. Coventry down to ten men would certainly have taken the wind out of their sails and the match result could have been different.
It would have been a yellow card, not a red. If you're dishing out reds for stuff that isn't a red Tim Ream should be sent off every week for impersonating a professional footballer
Absolutely right the cheating so and so would have only got a yellow, perhaps he will think on that when he is having his ban. As for the comment about Tim Ream, not worthy although a number on here would agree with you, has anyone on here mentioned anything about any other Coventry player apart from the cheating diver which in my eyes is worse than being a bad player.
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on October 06, 2021, 07:52:36 AM
Quote from: SkyBlueAl on October 06, 2021, 07:32:41 AM
Quote from: brightster on October 05, 2021, 08:55:59 PM
That's terrible, game changing incidents like that, why not replay the game without the scumbag and the ref should be demoted to lower leagues. We fell apart after that decision. More fuming now than I was at the time!
If you're going to make such silly suggestions, the FL should also issue Mitrovic a second yellow for continuing to get in the referees face after already being booked for it
Well that's down to the referee to manage at the time isn't it, the Cov striker cheated to deceive a match official. I imagine he'll be labelled as such now so I bet he won't get some penalties when there is contact now too
It's the first time he's ever gone down like that. Mitrovic has been a master of the dark arts for years. If you're going to vilify one then you need to be balanced. Godden deserves a ban for diving, I'm not disputing that but please don't make out your team are angels
I cant speak about your player as have this is the first season we have played you for some time, but the fact is seen him once and he has dived once. I have seen Mitro go down very easily a number of occasions but never got a penalty and seen him picked up few yellows on route, but I have also seen him denied stone wall penalties where he has been man handled by defenders, especially from dead ball situations. You would think they would wait until after the game to ask for his shirt rather than pull it off his back when attacking a corner.
Problem with this is I'm still not sure it disincentivizes diving. How many of you would take one of our players getting a three match ban for a penalty in a very important fixture? Does it depend on the player? I think from a value perspective diving is still correct in many scenarios, even under the assumption you'd get a three match ban.
Need to up the retroactive ban length and upgrade from a yellow to a red. Only way to get it out of the game.
How about a three point penalty for the team.
