Whilst I rate the young guy, I haven't seen anything that would suggest he is at the level of some the teams being quoted as interested in him. Real and Barca so on, he has zero chance of making the first team of any one the top clubs in prem let alone the world. Best can hope for is a u23's slot and maybe go out on loan somewhere half decent.
Thoughts?
People said the same about Elliott and Liverpool, and he was starting games this season (prior to the injury). He was decent, but not brilliant for Blackburn last season, no more so than Carvalho has been for us this season. You'd be surprised how relatively small the difference in quality is.
I think he's a very good player. There were a couple of moves he made 1 v 1 that I thought were really special. Great presence and knowledge of the game. Still very young. Would probably agree with the OP that he likely couldn't make starting XI on some top clubs, but that's only due to his youth and inexperience at top level competition. But methinks he could turn out to be a really good elite player.
No question in my mind that he is going to be a very good player. I wish we had a chance to keep him
His best chance of making a top top player is to spend the next couple of seasons with us and establish himself. He's done nothing in the game yet to warrant a move to a huge club. If he goes in the next few months I suspect he'll just sit on a bench or get loaned out
Good player just needs to stay on his feet more and needs to build body strength as he's to easily knocked of the ball
He's very good at finding pockets of space, turning quickly and looking for opportunities to attack. Agree with OP, he's not a necessarily even a top flight player yet, and he his best shot is developing with us.
Needs to fill out and get stronger, which will happen over the next couple of years.
Carvalho looks good in our team but is not going to walk into a top six club's starting eleven. His immediate development could best be served by a couple of seasons with Fulham in the premier league.
He needs to listen to experienced people other than his agent whose interests have to be mainly short term financial.
I thought his temperament let him down last night t
I would of played TC in his place yesterday.....it needed TC's brain.....but, he'll be a very good player
He's the real deal, OP you haven't got a clue
I agree he's good but completely overhyped
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on December 04, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
I would of played TC in his place yesterday.....it needed TC's brain.....but, he'll be a very good player
Exactly what I thought when I looked at the team sheet, Cairney starts that game we would of won
Quote from: Tabby on December 04, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
People said the same about Elliott and Liverpool, and he was starting games this season (prior to the injury). He was decent, but not brilliant for Blackburn last season, no more so than Carvalho has been for us this season. You'd be surprised how relatively small the difference in quality is.
I never questioned Elliot's ability, the real deal from what I saw of him
On the other hand I'd compare Fabio more to Ryan who should of stuck around
Quote from: perry geyton on December 04, 2021, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on December 04, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
I would of played TC in his place yesterday.....it needed TC's brain.....but, he'll be a very good player
Exactly what I thought when I looked at the team sheet, Cairney starts that game we would of won
The midfield trio to start against Luton is a dilema, chosse three from Siri, Cairney, Reed, Carvalho. You couldn't go far wrong if you put the four names in a hat and pulled out three.
It's a terrible, terrible dilemma to have, eh?
Chalobah is on his way back too..
Quote from: KJS on December 04, 2021, 05:30:23 PM
Good player just needs to stay on his feet more and needs to build body strength as he's to easily knocked of the ball
You've hit the nail on the head. Good player who knows how to find space, but is still maturing and needs to learn how not to be knocked off the ball so easily.
Worth remembering that he counts as a home grown player, so for any English based sides playing in Europe that's a huge bonus.
If you're a foreign club (Barca, Madrid, etc) you can pick him up for potentially a massively reduced fee (because of the compensation rules if he moves abroad) and then potentially sell him back to an English club in two or three years time when he's good enough to make the bench for a big team, for probably about twenty times the fee you bought him for.
That's just sensible business if you're Barca.
Big clubs have money to gamble on young players, it's a question of whether or not the player themselves are sensible and have people around who are the same or are they all looking for the greener grass and pay checks.
The number of young players that leave and make it is low, two sides gambling. He can start here or likely be loaned and loaned then come back to sit on a bench in a big club. Sessegnon has only four starts and one sub appearance this year for Spurs, Elliot has just one start and one sub appearance for Liverpool this year, both left in 2019. All big clubs have money to buy players ready to play in starting 11, gamble away...
His movement off the ball is as good as players twice his age, its something you can't teach.
He will be a superb player, if he carries on how he's going. However, he needs to stay with us for at least another year. When we go up, a year in the Premier league with us, would be the best option all round. We could then get a lot more money for him. But young players heads are turned by this sort of talk.
Fabio is a super talented playerand at 19 has no real experience of senior football. It showed against Bournemout which can only be expected in that type of game . His is great with ball but his biggest asset to us at present in my opinion is his mobility. Hes able to get in behind and also works icredibly hard to win the ball back early when we have lost possession coming round the blind side of players and stealing it from them .
It was a slight lack of composure and his decision making that meant he didint perform as well as usual. But this was a big game and they were dirty at times . He is a fantastic player and to be able to produce his best in a game like that he would have needed the one thing he doesnt have -experience.
The boy has got natural talent,which you can't teach.
But he's done nothing out of the ordinary so far that is way above lots of youngsters at other clubs.
The press nowadays follow each other around with the same stories,they hear someone like Klopp say that boy at Fulham looks to be talented,and next minute the press headline is "Liverpool chasing Fulham young star"..
All these top clubs have scouts everywhere looking at young talent,doesn't mean they going to sign them all.
Good young players are hyped up by clubs and the press,but it's a hard old game at times,and many fail to live up to the hype.
Remember the furore about Jack Rodwell a few years ago,the so called best English talent in years.
Where is he now.
Let's wait and see what happens,I hope the boy stays and doesn't have his head turned by agents.
Quote from: spoonffc on December 04, 2021, 07:24:59 PM
He's the real deal, OP you haven't got a clue
The OP is only expressing an opinion and called for comments. No need to be nasty.
not nasty, just expressing my opinion.
Quote from: spoonffc on December 05, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
not nasty, just expressing my opinion.
Well it was a very blunt opinion.
He didn't have his best game on Friday night but I think he's a brilliant little player, especially considering he's still only 19. He has everything - just needs to hone his craft with regular first team football, which is why he'd be best served staying a couple more seasons with us.
Quote from: spoonffc on December 05, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
not nasty, just expressing my opinion.
No just being rude to a fellow fan. No need for it.
Yes, it was a rude reply.
If he goes to a top club he will just be another bench warmer
I think Fab's got all the attributes to be a leading player. I hope he can be persuaded that regular football at Fulham is best for his immediate development.
Quote from: winterline on December 05, 2021, 01:22:58 AM
Big clubs have money to gamble on young players, it's a question of whether or not the player themselves are sensible and have people around who are the same or are they all looking for the greener grass and pay checks.
The number of young players that leave and make it is low, two sides gambling. He can start here or likely be loaned and loaned then come back to sit on a bench in a big club. Sessegnon has only four starts and one sub appearance this year for Spurs, Elliot has just one start and one sub appearance for Liverpool this year, both left in 2019. All big clubs have money to buy players ready to play in starting 11, gamble away...
You do know Elliot got injured right? And he started 3 (not 1) of Liverpool's 4 PL games before that. As an 18 year old. Hardly a good example of why Fabio shouldn't make the move, in my opinion. And Sessegnon is still only 21, had some bad timing with injuries and manager changes and has finally maybe gotten a chance with a new manager (and had a fairly good loan spell in the Bundesliga last year), so maybe shouldn't write him off either.
I actually think he is staying tbh.
It was blunt, but I feel very strongly that cav will be playing at the very highest level, so strongly that any reference to him being over hyped is in my opinion clueless
I once heard someone say that a talent , a young player who looks to have it all there , is actually a good player who has yet to prove he can be a top player. Carvalho has all the potential but if you were purely judgeing him on friday nights performance , he has a lot to prove and improve to look like a top level player. That isnt clueless just pragatci and based on experience.
For the record I believe he may well be aplayer who ends a playing for a reall y top side. But he has along way to go and its his perception of this point that may well define how far he ends up going.
Quote from: spoonffc on December 06, 2021, 01:58:21 PM
It was blunt, but I feel very strongly that cav will be playing at the very highest level, so strongly that any reference to him being over hyped is in my opinion clueless
Well, if your high opinion is proved wrong then you will need to eat one hell of a portion of humble pie as you will be the clueless one.
Those of us who have been around the block a bit tend to take a more npmeasured view.
Quote from: bobby01 on December 06, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
I actually think he is staying tbh.
Hope so, I think he is the real deal.
Perhaps his quaffed head has been tapped by his agent, one does not know. He hasn't been as good as before his deviated metatarsal but for one so young I feel he is a terrific prospect that Fulham discovered. Letting him go now would be financial folly in the slightest.
Quote from: Sting of the North on December 06, 2021, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: winterline on December 05, 2021, 01:22:58 AM
Big clubs have money to gamble on young players, it's a question of whether or not the player themselves are sensible and have people around who are the same or are they all looking for the greener grass and pay checks.
The number of young players that leave and make it is low, two sides gambling. He can start here or likely be loaned and loaned then come back to sit on a bench in a big club. Sessegnon has only four starts and one sub appearance this year for Spurs, Elliot has just one start and one sub appearance for Liverpool this year, both left in 2019. All big clubs have money to buy players ready to play in starting 11, gamble away...
You do know Elliot got injured right? And he started 3 (not 1) of Liverpool's 4 PL games before that. As an 18 year old. Hardly a good example of why Fabio shouldn't make the move, in my opinion. And Sessegnon is still only 21, had some bad timing with injuries and manager changes and has finally maybe gotten a chance with a new manager (and had a fairly good loan spell in the Bundesliga last year), so maybe shouldn't write him off either.
I checked and am not sure how i got the appearances and subs wrong, you are correct, 4 appearances 1 sub this year for Elliot.
A gamble is to bet on an uncertain outcome, it's not a write off, it's anywhere from 100% to 0%, it's unknowable. Buying young players is just that, no guarantee. Just like you said , the manager can be an issue, fitness can be an issue, so no guarantee that a current or future manager will keep/favor a player or that the player will stay fit. If a club can afford the gamble it's not an issue for the club, it's just a gamble for the player to take, hence, gamble away...
And similarly staying at a club is a gamble. Your post suggested that you believed that Sessegnon and Elliott had made a gamble that didn't pay off, at least not yet. Maybe that was not your point at all. Apologies if that was not what you meant.
I thought he was targeted by B/mouth, as were all our potential scorers, and the victim of some heavy challenges, often not punished, and closing down with several players on him..
I think he, and Mitro, Wilson and Kebano particularly, did well under the circumstances, and did well to keep going and get a result, though we should have scored more with all the chances we created.
I do think Carvalho is incredibly talented, with great pace and control, and a strong work ethic, and confidence for his age.
Quote from: Gezza on December 05, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: spoonffc on December 04, 2021, 07:24:59 PM
He's the real deal, OP you haven't got a clue
The OP is only expressing an opinion and called for comments. No need to be nasty.
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Quote from: Sting of the North on December 07, 2021, 08:46:35 AM
And similarly staying at a club is a gamble. Your post suggested that you believed that Sessegnon and Elliott had made a gamble that didn't pay off, at least not yet. Maybe that was not your point at all. Apologies if that was not what you meant.
Semi agreement on staying is a gamble, less of one though . Sessegnon was a starter here, he had 23 appearances for Hoffenheim for a season and is now back at Spurs, not a regular, so I'd say he gambled and it's still in the air. Elliott wasn't as starter here and is not a starter at Liverpool, yet, he did have 41 appearances at Blackburn Rovers, so I'd also say he gambled and it's still in the air. Both won in regards to money but as a footballer, I'd imagine that starting in the first 11 is the main goal and that has yet occur.
Quote from: winterline on December 07, 2021, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on December 07, 2021, 08:46:35 AM
And similarly staying at a club is a gamble. Your post suggested that you believed that Sessegnon and Elliott had made a gamble that didn't pay off, at least not yet. Maybe that was not your point at all. Apologies if that was not what you meant.
Semi agreement on staying is a gamble, less of one though . Sessegnon was a starter here, he had 23 appearances for Hoffenheim for a season and is now back at Spurs, not a regular, so I'd say he gambled and it's still in the air. Elliott wasn't as starter here and is not a starter at Liverpool, yet, he did have 41 appearances at Blackburn Rovers, so I'd also say he gambled and it's still in the air. Both won in regards to money but as a footballer, I'd imagine that starting in the first 11 is the main goal and that has yet occur.
Could be argued he was a starter at Liverpool but got injured. Think he started 3 of 4 games
And Sess IS getting game time under Conte, albeit as a sub usually for Reguilon, who's a very very fine player IMO.
Seems a bit too cocky however, he looks like being one hell of a player if he can keep his attitude and ear-cupping in check
